Does Marijuana legalization,

Plaffelvohfen

TKDB said:

@Plaffelvohfen

I'm arguing for those kids, and families, that the drug user's drug use is affecting.

And this forum, isn't about any of the addictions that you mentioned.

This forum is over a weed user's drug use, around their own kids, and families, and if they're using weed around the kids, from other families.

And apparently some of the pro marijuana user's crowd, doesn't know how to come up with a counter argument, not being based on, the other addictions, to get their points across?

Is this another probable argument ploy, that some will use to defend, a weed user's weed use with?

What you seem unable to realize is that addiction itself is the problem, regardless of the object of that addiction... Whether it's caffeine, nicotine or whatever, is only relevant to establish the presence or not of a chemical vector (like nicotine or heroine) which would inform an adequate treatment... There is no chemical vector for cannabis addiction, like gambling, it's psychological... So unless and until you address the psychological mechanism of addiction with an addict, you solve nothing at all...

I'm under the impression (I hope even) that you don't personally know someone with addiction problems...

You also keep mentioning "drug use around kids", are you talking about the 2nd hand smoke health risks? What if they don't smoke it?

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87

More of your truth philosophy.

So what are you saying, you are not speaking honestly?
That when asked a question you will lie?
Just linked some info maybe it will help?

: the law administered by military forces that is invoked by a government in an emergency when the civilian law enforcement agencies are unable to maintain public order and safety ( This would include a Congressional Armed Force as they are not military until established as hold preservation of United state constitutional principle.)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martial%20law

: a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war

: a war between groups of people in the same country.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20war

: a war engaged in by all or most of the principal nations of the world especially, capitalized both Ws : either of two such wars of the first half of the 20th century

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/world%20war

Afghanistan

Russia

United States

Great Britain

Iran

Australia

Bolivia, Peru, Mexico, Burma, New Zealand, and many more.

https://www.thecabinchiangmai.com/blog/countries-with-the-worst-drug-related-problems/

: the state of a religious

: the service and worship of God or the supernatural

: commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness

: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

Is a narcotic just as lethal as a bullet?

Can any medical doctor say placing narcotic into a human body can cause death?

There is a constitutional right to common defense. So again, I state clearly a narcotic is a substance that is available for all licensed doctors to prescribe. This is not allegeable to the general public for a vote. Taking it off the narcotic list if any issue of grievance is to be addressed about prescription use.

Marijuana does not hold a united state of being illegal. The general public can however place it as a airborne pollutant for a common defense. This would include children of age. A clear threshold of parts per million must be provided by legal precedent.

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

"What you seem unable to realize is that addiction itself is the problem, regardless of the object of that addiction."

(Again this talking point is off topic,)

"Whether it's caffeine, nicotine or whatever, is only relevant to establish the presence or not of a chemical vector (like nicotine or heroine) which would inform an adequate treatment."

Where's the link to the magazine, or website, that can cooberate your claim?

"There is no chemical vector for cannabis addiction."

Where's the link to the magazine, or website, that can cooberate your claim?

WebMD has plenty of information, on your talking point.

https://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/marijuana/addictive.html

"Let’s deal with this question immediately. Groups that are in favor of medical marijuana or broad legalization sweep this question under the carpet. The fact is that, yes, it IS addictive. You are unlikely to hear this fact on the nightly news, in the newspaper or anywhere else. Marijuana IS addictive. Here are a few statistics to make this clearer.

What are the odds of becoming addicted? Studies have shown that:

Of all the people who use marijuana, about one in eleven will become addicted.
When a young person begins smoking marijuana in his or her TEENS, he (or she) has a one in six chance of becoming addicted.

Admissions to Treatment

According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, in 2010, more than 360,000 people were admitted to treatment for addiction, with marijuana being listed as the primary drug they were abusing. That is, they went into rehab because of marijuana and its effects on their bodies and minds.
Twenty-eight percent of those admissions or 103,000 people were between twelve and seventeen years old. (This figure applies only to publicly-funded facilities so the actual number is much higher.)
Forty-three percent were under 21.
In 2016 it was estimated that of the 7.4 million people who were addicted to illicit drugs, the most common addiction was for marijuana with 4 million individuals 12 or older addicted to this substance."

"ER Visits

Because of greatly increased potency, mental distress, panic attacks, and other problems have also increased. In 2011, there were nearly half a million visits to ERs related to problems with marijuana use. Common symptoms were severe nausea, vomiting, high blood pressure, anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia."

"Daily users

According to the 2013 World Drug Report, an estimated 1 in 15 high school seniors is a daily or near-daily user of cannabis. For parents who once smoked marijuana “on the weekend or at parties,” they can understand what a high school student smoking DAILY would mean to his ability to really do school or be a school kid."

"Marijuana withdrawal

Some people argue that because marijuana does not have dramatic withdrawal symptoms like alcohol or heroin, it is not addictive. But there are two errors in this thinking. One is that the marijuana of today is more than two times stronger than it was twenty years ago (some say much stronger than that), and withdrawing from that is quite a different matter. The other is that it is simply not true: There ARE withdrawal symptoms when a chronic user stops using cannabis.

They include:

Irritability
Insomnia
Anxiety
Nightmares
Anger and fluctuating emotions
Headaches
Depression
Loss of appetite
And of course, craving to continue to use the drug."

"Remember that the above symptoms can be stronger or weaker for the person withdrawing, depending on how much dope he was smoking, over how long, and his own unique physical and mental constitution. (Some people are much more sensitive to drugs. They get higher on less, for example.)

"The report Cannabis and Health Hazardsnotes that withdrawal effects can be triggered by the use of a normal dose of marijuana (one to two good-quality joints per day) for just eleven to twenty-one days."

"Continuing to smoke pot despite real evident life-troubles

Perhaps a better measure of addiction is whether or not the person experiences harm from the use of this drug, but is so compelled to use it and the cravings for it are so strong that he continues anyway.

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, heavy marijuana abuse is associated with the following problems or effects:

Worsening mental and physical health
Relationship problems
Higher probability of dropping out of school or abandoning goals
Lower grades and reduced academic success
Increased absences from school or work
More workers’ compensation claims
Less career success compared to peers.

An addicted cannabis user will continue to use the drug despite effects like these. It is common for a heavy smoker to stop caring about the damage and just focus on staying stoned. This is what is called “addiction.” It applies just as much to marijuana as to crack or meth or pain pills."

There are plenty of pregnant ladies who have smoked recreational marijuana while pregnant, you could look that information up as well?

There are kids in the United States, who have smoked marijuana in their schools bathroom, two of them were 8, the other was 9, in CA, you could look that information up as well?

And if marijuana wasn't addictive, how do the illegal recreational marijuana user's, and the legalized marijuana user's go about smoking weed, before going to work, in their vehicles, while getting high, and then some, go do their Doctor jobs, or their Nursing jobs, or their Teaching job, or their Corporation jobs, or their Food Service jobs, and a host of other jobs, while getting high during their lunch breaks, and then interacting with more of their customers, or their patients, while having that patients, life in the very hands of a Doctor performing brain surgery?
And then all of the above human's driving back home after work, and while driving home, they are getting high for a third time?

Kind of sounds like addiction to cigarettes, doesn't it?

I've smelled and saw teenagers, and adults getting high off of weed in their cars, multiple times, while they were driving, and parked?

Who knew that grocery shopping, or mall shopping, or giving life saving medical care, would require, the sideline benefit, of smoking weed, just as often enough as the cigarette smokers do?

Parents Opposed to Pot, you could look that up as well?

CALM, or Citizen's Against the Legalization of Marijuana, you could look that up as well?

(Again off topic)

"like gambling, it's psychological... So unless and until you address the psychological mechanism of addiction with an addict, you solve nothing at all."

I've been around various cigarette smokers, it can affect people with asthma, and I've watched video's on you tube, of a female coaching a toddler in how to smoke weed, and that weed use by an kid, or teenager, can affect the development of their brain, and you can look that up as well?

"You also keep mentioning "drug use around kids", are you talking about the 2nd hand smoke health risks? What if they don't smoke it?"

TKDB

@John_C_87

More of your truth philosophy?

Look at your "Bait" question.

"So what are you saying, you are not
speaking honestly?"

Please, keep educating me, with your truth philosophy rhetoric?

John_C_87

You are not paying attention it cannot be a bait question it was a lie.” So, what are you saying you are not speaking honestly?” I have already recognized what you said as truth, it now becomes a matter of whole truth.

Technically you need to present an ability to learn to assign a burned of teaching to some-one else.

John_C_87

Kind of sounds like addiction to cigarettes, doesn't it?
The use of tobacco has a well established relationship to religious practice.
Addiction to nicotine is not quite addressed in constitutional fashion by the state of your union described.
Cigarettes have by political regulation altered with the addition of chemicals with questionable effect on human consumption directly themselves.
Are these additives the bigger threat to air pollution then the tobacco?

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

"What you seem unable to realize is that addiction itself is the problem, regardless of the object of that addiction."
(Again this talking point is off topic,)

Again, it's not off topic... It's like having a discussion about car engineering but saying that "transmission" or "engine" types are off topic, it's absurd... It shows that one knows absolutely nothing about mechanic... And you clearly know nothing about addiction...

What I'm NOT saying is that cannabis addiction doesn't not exist, it certainly does...

TKDB

@John_C_87

And another individually created, truth or whole truth philosophy moment from you?

"You are not paying attention it cannot be a bait question it was a lie."

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

The below is the evidence to cooberate my talking points, (so where are yours?)

"Whether it's caffeine, nicotine or whatever, is only relevant to establish the presence or not of a chemical vector (like nicotine or heroine) which would inform an adequate treatment."

Where's the link to the magazine, or website, that can cooberate your claim?

"There is no chemical vector for cannabis addiction."

Where's the link to the magazine, or website, that can cooberate your claim?

WebMD has plenty of information, on your talking point.

https://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/marijuana/addictive.html

"Let’s deal with this question immediately. Groups that are in favor of medical marijuana or broad legalization sweep this question under the carpet. The fact is that, yes, it IS addictive. You are unlikely to hear this fact on the nightly news, in the newspaper or anywhere else. Marijuana IS addictive. Here are a few statistics to make this clearer.

What are the odds of becoming addicted? Studies have shown that:

Of all the people who use marijuana, about one in eleven will become addicted.
When a young person begins smoking marijuana in his or her TEENS, he (or she) has a one in six chance of becoming addicted.

Admissions to Treatment

According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, in 2010, more than 360,000 people were admitted to treatment for addiction, with marijuana being listed as the primary drug they were abusing. That is, they went into rehab because of marijuana and its effects on their bodies and minds.
Twenty-eight percent of those admissions or 103,000 people were between twelve and seventeen years old. (This figure applies only to publicly-funded facilities so the actual number is much higher.)
Forty-three percent were under 21.
In 2016 it was estimated that of the 7.4 million people who were addicted to illicit drugs, the most common addiction was for marijuana with 4 million individuals 12 or older addicted to this substance."

"ER Visits

Because of greatly increased potency, mental distress, panic attacks, and other problems have also increased. In 2011, there were nearly half a million visits to ERs related to problems with marijuana use. Common symptoms were severe nausea, vomiting, high blood pressure, anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia."

"Daily users

According to the 2013 World Drug Report, an estimated 1 in 15 high school seniors is a daily or near-daily user of cannabis. For parents who once smoked marijuana “on the weekend or at parties,” they can understand what a high school student smoking DAILY would mean to his ability to really do school or be a school kid."

"Marijuana withdrawal

Some people argue that because marijuana does not have dramatic withdrawal symptoms like alcohol or heroin, it is not addictive. But there are two errors in this thinking. One is that the marijuana of today is more than two times stronger than it was twenty years ago (some say much stronger than that), and withdrawing from that is quite a different matter. The other is that it is simply not true: There ARE withdrawal symptoms when a chronic user stops using cannabis.

They include:

Irritability
Insomnia
Anxiety
Nightmares
Anger and fluctuating emotions
Headaches
Depression
Loss of appetite
And of course, craving to continue to use the drug."

"Remember that the above symptoms can be stronger or weaker for the person withdrawing, depending on how much dope he was smoking, over how long, and his own unique physical and mental constitution. (Some people are much more sensitive to drugs. They get higher on less, for example.)

"The report Cannabis and Health Hazardsnotes that withdrawal effects can be triggered by the use of a normal dose of marijuana (one to two good-quality joints per day) for just eleven to twenty-one days."

"Continuing to smoke pot despite real evident life-troubles

Perhaps a better measure of addiction is whether or not the person experiences harm from the use of this drug, but is so compelled to use it and the cravings for it are so strong that he continues anyway.

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, heavy marijuana abuse is associated with the following problems or effects:

Worsening mental and physical health
Relationship problems
Higher probability of dropping out of school or abandoning goals
Lower grades and reduced academic success
Increased absences from school or work
More workers’ compensation claims
Less career success compared to peers.

An addicted cannabis user will continue to use the drug despite effects like these. It is common for a heavy smoker to stop caring about the damage and just focus on staying stoned. This is what is called “addiction.” It applies just as much to marijuana as to crack or meth or pain pills."

There are plenty of pregnant ladies who have smoked recreational marijuana while pregnant, you could look that information up as well?

There are kids in the United States, who have smoked marijuana in their schools bathroom, two of them were 8, the other was 9, in CA, you could look that information up as well?

And if marijuana wasn't addictive, how do the illegal recreational marijuana user's, and the legalized marijuana user's go about smoking weed, before going to work, in their vehicles, while getting high, and then some, go do their Doctor jobs, or their Nursing jobs, or their Teaching job, or their Corporation jobs, or their Food Service jobs, and a host of other jobs, while getting high during their lunch breaks, and then interacting with more of their customers, or their patients, while having that patients, life in the very hands of a Doctor performing brain surgery?
And then all of the above human's driving back home after work, and while driving home, they are getting high for a third time?

Kind of sounds like addiction to cigarettes, doesn't it?

I've smelled and saw teenagers, and adults getting high off of weed in their cars, multiple times, while they were driving, and parked?

Who knew that grocery shopping, or mall shopping, or giving life saving medical care, would require, the sideline benefit, of smoking weed, just as often enough as the cigarette smokers do?

Parents Opposed to Pot, you could look that up as well?

CALM, or Citizen's Against the Legalization of Marijuana, you could look that up as well?

(Again off topic)

"like gambling, it's psychological... So unless and until you address the psychological mechanism of addiction with an addict, you solve nothing at all."

I've been around various cigarette smokers, it can affect people with asthma, and I've watched video's on you tube, of a female coaching a toddler in how to smoke weed, and that weed use by an kid, or teenager, can affect the development of their brain, and you can look that up as well?

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

Why do you keep repeating this, I've already acknowledge that addiction is a problem, what is your point?

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

I repeated it because apparently, you are refusing, or are balking at presenting your cooberating evidence to cooberate your own commentary?

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

https://drugabuse.com/marijuana-addiction/

Excerpt from source: The most common debate centers around whether is marijuana addictive. Although pot use does not spark a physical addiction, withdrawal symptoms from the substance can definitely be physical. And while fewer people are addicted to marijuana than cocaine or alcohol, marijuana addiction is very real.

See also: https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/lag/lagmenu.htm

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87

And another individually created, truth or whole truth philosophy moment from you?

"You are not paying attention it cannot be a bait question it was a lie."

No, it really isn’t an individually created truth or whole truth moment. You are telling a lie the way you cite Drug War without any understanding of what type War a Drug War is. The information available describes the Drug War as a Civil World War.

Both Congress and the Executive office are hosting a War that has no state of the union. The basic principle is how do chronical the worlds efforts on this War?

"Continuing to smoke pot despite real evident life-troubles

I don’t smoke pot and still have life troubles.

"Marijuana withdrawal

They include:

Irritability
Insomnia
Anxiety
Nightmares
Anger and fluctuating emotions
Headaches
Depression
Loss of appetite
And of course, craving to continue to use the drug."

This list almost looks like your list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_stress_reaction

TKDB

@John_C_87

Back your words up John, because as long as you fail to back your words up, with some Real Life facts, or history, from any of the Nationwide news media outlets, or some substantial like, that, you're doing nothing but self fueling your own created arguments, with rhetoric like this stuff from your own mind, and typed into this forum, by your own keyboard:

"No, it really isn’t an individually created truth or whole truth moment. You are telling a lie the way you cite Drug War without any understanding of what type War a Drug War is. The information available describes the Drug War as a Civil World War.

Both Congress and the Executive office are hosting a War that has no state of the union. The basic principle is how do chronical the worlds efforts on this War?

Back your words up, please?

John_C_87

Or you are displaying an inability. This is not a formal debate and the objective is to present a addition to truth that can be confirmed by an observation on detailed information. There are multiple nations undertaking the Drug War making the Drug War a World War.

A good part of your argument is based on Americans selling other Americans drugs that create an addiction. 1. That is a truth it is not a whole truth. Drugs can be tampered with. Components added to Marijuana to direct a person to a more serious from of addition of narcotic. This is part of a united state identification of a complete intelligence on Drug War, a battle fought with drug is recognized on a level of danger by deception. We address both why marijuana should be on a narcotic list, and why it should not be on the list as a common defense to the general welfare.

I was watching a documentary some time ago about marijuana laced with PCP. Have you seen this documentary? Maybe you have viewed one like it? I really do not wish to do computer searches for some of this information. I cannot honestly separate what you write as marijuana addiction from battle stress the symptoms. You citing information is very close to battle stress and I did cite the link for battle stress.

The warning here is there are people who can go past just selling marijuana and it is a devious malicious undertaking.

ZeusAres42

Criminalizing and demonizing those that smoke Cannabis does absolutely nothing positive to help those people that have addiction issues. In fact, it just creates ever more stigmatism against those that do have addiction issues.

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87

Back your words up John, because as long as you fail to back your words up, with some Real Life facts, or history, from any of the Nationwide news media outlets, or some substantial like, that, you're doing nothing but self fueling your own created arguments, with rhetoric like this stuff from your own mind, and typed into this forum, by your own keyboard:

"No, it really isn’t an individually created truth or whole truth moment. You are telling a lie the way you cite Drug War without any understanding of what type War a Drug War is. The information available describes the Drug War as a Civil World War.
Both Congress and the Executive office are hosting a War that has no state of the union. The basic principle is how do chronical the worlds efforts on this War?
Back your words up, please?

In context TKDB you are fighting a war on Drugs when if fact there is a Drug War taking place. these are two different states of union made on War. War on drugs is childish nonsense nd demeans the lives of soldiers lost to this battle. To barrow a motivation from a movie line...…….Drugs don't fight back.

John_C_87

ZeusAres42 said:

Criminalizing and demonizing those that smoke Cannabis does absolutely nothing positive to help those people that have addiction issues. In fact, it just creates ever more stigmatism against those that do have addiction issues.

To set a basic principle smoking Cannabis or pot is not Illegal as a united state. The basic principle of marijuana is the High Time a person undergoes as this is the constitutional position in basic detail set in a united state in litigation as legal precedent. The United State Medical Marijuana is to face by establishment regulation is the Constitution made common defense as basic principle. Does any person need buy a prescription for a plant that can be grown at home, as a home remedy, as common defense to a general welfare of the people. For the people. Alcohol had this same issue with the medical Practice and the regulation of probation receive authority as alcohol was a weapon of death. When poor distilling practices poisoned the general welfare including children.

TKDB

@John_C_87

You don't have any real life evidence to provide, other than your own opinion?

Then you don't have an argument.

Proof to that:

"Or you are displaying an inability. This is not a formal debate and the objective is to present a addition to truth that can be confirmed by an observation on detailed information. There are multiple nations undertaking the Drug War making the Drug War a World War."

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

Prove that it doesn't?

The drug addicts, are responsible for their own actions, and their own consequences, yes, or no?

Here are some of the facts, outside of your own view of them:

"Continuing to smoke pot despite real evident life-troubles

Perhaps a better measure of addiction is whether or not the person experiences harm from the use of this drug, but is so compelled to use it and the cravings for it are so strong that he continues anyway.

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, heavy marijuana abuse is associated with the following problems or effects:

Worsening mental and physical health
Relationship problems
Higher probability of dropping out of school or abandoning goals
Lower grades and reduced academic success
Increased absences from school or work
More workers’ compensation claims
Less career success compared to peers.

An addicted cannabis user will continue to use the drug despite effects like these. It is common for a heavy smoker to stop caring about the damage and just focus on staying stoned. This is what is called “addiction.” It applies just as much to marijuana as to crack or meth or pain pills."

There are plenty of pregnant ladies who have smoked recreational marijuana while pregnant, you could look that information up as well?

There are kids in the United States, who have smoked marijuana in their schools bathroom, two of them were 8, the other was 9, in CA, you could look that information up as well?

And if marijuana wasn't addictive, how do the illegal recreational marijuana user's, and the legalized marijuana user's go about smoking weed, before going to work, in their vehicles, while getting high, and then some, go do their Doctor jobs, or their Nursing jobs, or their Teaching job, or their Corporation jobs, or their Food Service jobs, and a host of other jobs, while getting high during their lunch breaks, and then interacting with more of their customers, or their patients, while having that patients, life in the very hands of a Doctor performing brain surgery?
And then all of the above human's driving back home after work, and while driving home, they are getting high for a third time?

Kind of sounds like addiction to cigarettes, doesn't it?

I've smelled and saw teenagers, and adults getting high off of weed in their cars, multiple times, while they were driving, and parked?

Who knew that grocery shopping, or mall shopping, or giving life saving medical care, would require, the sideline benefit, of smoking weed, just as often enough as the cigarette smokers do?

Parents Opposed to Pot, you could look that up as well?

CALM, or Citizen's Against the Legalization of Marijuana, you could look that up as well?

"Criminalizing and demonizing those that smoke Cannabis does absolutely nothing positive to help those people that have addiction issues. In fact, it just creates ever more stigmatism against those that do have addiction issues."

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87

You don't have any real life evidence to provide, other than your own opinion?

Then you don't have an argument.

Proof to that:

"Or you are displaying an inability. This is not a formal debate and the objective is to present a addition to truth that can be confirmed by an observation on detailed information. There are multiple nations undertaking the Drug War making the Drug War a World War."

A battle assessment is not a court of law when asked to say a truth in basic principle publicly a person can smoke pot and not get high describes two basic principles that do not share the united state that is claimed in legislation of law. All use of Marijuana is to mimic narcotic use. Saying the person under all condition of this practice will be getting high can be disproven it is a application in understanding constitution in legislation as a state of the Union. Can we just look at legal precedent instead as you have a history of refusal to collect evidence, and this is a legally required in impartial evidence ? I do not feel a need to teach how to smoke pot without getting high. I hold that equal to teaching people how to drink without getting drunk in basic principle. Drinking alcohol and getting drunk are not the same, religious ceremonies with whine have been civilly questioned in the past by court accusations, this is an example of temptation not a level of intoxication socially.

Your are undertaking an act of martial law in a Civil War on drugs. A battle against drugs is not a united state of Drug War in representation of those who fight and serve the United States constitution.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Eucharist ;

TKDB said, "Continuing to smoke pot despite real evident life-troubles"
In basic principle you said, continuing to breath Air pollution despite real evidence of life-troubles.

Kind of sounds like addiction to cigarettes, doesn't it?

https://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_this_fire_retardant_in_cigarettes
Kind of yeah. A little bit. Of course in whole truth not really. By the Way like it or not Drug War not War on Drugs they are not the same united state.

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

In assessment of Religious War.

https://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/

A Drug War has a translation of significance in how events unfolded in some battles of the Gulf Wars. That you may not entirely grasp this is not a surprise. Again, your agenda is Martial law which is only stating a whole truth and is not completely full of bad intent. It works well for order in disasters both natural and manmade however in a Drug War the basic principle is chemical warfare.

Again, there is public notification of high-level narcotic being placed in low level narcotic with the intention for the public to unknowingly take these drugs. Out side of this in legal precedent land acquisition can become an abuse of Martial law this is not an accusation but whole truth in understanding all intelligence.

Plaffelvohfen

Plaffelvohfen said:

@TKDB

https://drugabuse.com/marijuana-addiction/

Excerpt from source: The most common debate centers around whether is marijuana addictive. Although pot use does not spark a physical addiction, withdrawal symptoms from the substance can definitely be physical. And while fewer people are addicted to marijuana than cocaine or alcohol, marijuana addiction is very real.

See also: https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/lag/lagmenu.htm

No comments on this? Interesting...

So, your position is in favor of maintaining cannabis illegal right? What is your primary goal with this?? What do you think prohibition is supposed to achieve?

Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is your concern a public health concern? Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?

TKDB

@John_C_87

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Over the last year, I have been working on a new documentary called "Weed." The title "Weed" may sound cavalier, but the content is not.

I traveled around the world to interview medical leaders, experts, growers and patients. I spoke candidly to them, asking tough questions. What I found was stunning.

Long before I began this project, I had steadily reviewed the scientific literature on medical marijuana from the United States and thought it was fairly unimpressive. Reading these papers five years ago, it was hard to make a case for medicinal marijuana. I even wrote about this in a TIME magazine article, back in 2009, titled "Why I would Vote No on Pot."

Well, I am here to apologize.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications. In fact, sometimes marijuana is the only thing that works. Take the case of Charlotte Figi, who I met in Colorado. She started having seizures soon after birth. By age 3, she was having 300 a week, despite being on seven different medications. Medical marijuana has calmed her brain, limiting her seizures to 2 or 3 per month.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon and CNN's chief medical correspondent.

I have seen more patients like Charlotte first hand, spent time with them and come to the realization that it is irresponsible not to provide the best care we can as a medical community, care that could involve marijuana.

We have been terribly and systematically misled for nearly 70 years in the United States, and I apologize for my own role in that.

I hope this article and upcoming documentary will help set the record straight.

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On August 14, 1970, the Assistant Secretary of Health, Dr. Roger O. Egeberg wrote a letter recommending the plant, marijuana, be classified as a schedule 1 substance, and it has remained that way for nearly 45 years. My research started with a careful reading of that decades old letter. What I found was unsettling. Egeberg had carefully chosen his words:

"Since there is still a considerable void in our knowledge of the plant and effects of the active drug contained in it, our recommendation is that marijuana be retained within schedule 1 at least until the completion of certain studies now underway to resolve the issue."

Not because of sound science, but because of its absence, marijuana was classified as a schedule 1 substance. Again, the year was 1970. Egeberg mentions studies that are underway, but many were never completed. As my investigation continued, however, I realized Egeberg did in fact have important research already available to him, some of it from more than 25 years earlier.

High risk of abuse

In 1944, New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia commissioned research to be performed by the New York Academy of Science. Among their conclusions: they found marijuana did not lead to significant addiction in the medical sense of the word. They also did not find any evidence marijuana led to morphine, heroin or cocaine addiction.

We now know that while estimates vary, marijuana leads to dependence in around 9 to 10% of its adult users. By comparison, cocaine, a schedule 2 substance "with less abuse potential than schedule 1 drugs" hooks 20% of those who use it. Around 25% of heroin users become addicted.

The worst is tobacco, where the number is closer to 30% of smokers, many of whom go on to die because of their addiction.

There is clear evidence that in some people marijuana use can lead to withdrawal symptoms, including insomnia, anxiety and nausea. Even considering this, it is hard to make a case that it has a high potential for abuse. The physical symptoms of marijuana addiction are nothing like those of the other drugs I've mentioned. I have seen the withdrawal from alcohol, and it can be life threatening."

@Plaffelvohfen ;

Some of the above, sounds awfully familiar to the common place talking points, by pulling tobacco, and alcohol use, into the conversation over weed legalization.

Some of your shared articles talking points have been re expressed by many, since 2010.

Legalize weed for medicinal purposes, while the recreational weed user's, are waiting in the background to use the medicinal weed legalization conversation, to push for recreational weed use?

They have to feed that need, right?

Using the politics of the medicinal weed law, to push on the rest of the public to get the then, illegal weed user's, recreational weed legalized, so that they can still feed that need, with the legalized of recreational weed?

Two other websites have mentioned almost the same talking points:

Marijuana Majority, I believe?

And NORML?

@Plaffelvohfen ;

"So, your position is in favor of maintaining cannabis illegal right? What is your primary goal with this?? What do you think prohibition is supposed to achieve?"

Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is your concern a public health concern? Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?"

I'm pro kid, pro children, pro sober family oriented, pro law abiding, and pro public.

"Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?"

And kids, are more important than your, "boost your profits" talking point is.

Prohibition gets abused, just like some of the families, who live with a drug abuser, who goes about using their various illegal drugs, in front of their kids, and families, or under the same roof with their families?

Prohibition doesn't matter to some, because some of the drug abusers have chosen to baby their abuse, by feeding their drug abuse?

Whether a drug has been legalized or not.

It's sad, to see how a drug users, drug use, apparently, gets prioritized above ones own family, job, and so on?

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

I asked:

"So, your position is in favor of maintaining cannabis illegal right? What is your primary goal with this?? What do you think prohibition is supposed to achieve?"
Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is your concern a public health concern? Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?"

And you replied with :

I'm pro kid, pro children, pro sober family oriented, pro law abiding, and pro public.

How is that an answer to the question?

Specifically, Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is that your primary goal?
Or maybe it's a public health concern? Something else?

John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen ;

It’s not the research is to lock marijuana up the area of patent law in basic principle. TDKB is setting attempting to end a Chemical, Civil War by setting a precedent of martial law. Again; here we are to address common defense to the general welfare. It is similar applications of possible legal malpractice in other area's by use of civil litigation.

John_C_87

In principle it is a way to issue licensing to grow what is a home remedy prior to Medical acceptance. This is the same principle undertaken with alcohol, organized religion, and politics during prohibition of alcohol. However alcohols contamination is not easily association to chemical warfare like a narcotic placed inside of marijuana. The idea of people who have been associated to civil lawsuits having been injured, then using their prescription medications in small doses to make there pot better does not sit well as whole truth. In a World War which describes substance abuse as lethal force.

Plaffelvohfen

@John_C_87

I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about, as usual...

What does "lock marijuana up the area of patent law in basic principle." even means???
Same for "end a Chemical, Civil War by setting a precedent of martial law."

Why do you write this way??

John_C_87

It is unclear were the place of liberty comes in a Civil War. So the basic principle of Chemical Warfare has a rather significant meaning when connected to Drug War. Chemical = Drug, Chemical/Drug. This is where the understanding of category of War comes to play in real-time analysis?

John_C_87

@TKDB ;
I remember playing the video game before Pong, What was it TKDB?

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen ;

"So, your position is in favor of maintaining cannabis illegal right? What is your primary goal with this?? What do you think prohibition is supposed to achieve?"

Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is your concern a public health concern? Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?"

I'm pro kid, pro children, pro sober family oriented, pro law abiding, and pro public.

"Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?"

And kids, are more important than your, "boost your profits" talking point is.

Prohibition gets abused, just like some of the families, who live with a drug abuser, who goes about using their various illegal drugs, in front of their kids, and families, or under the same roof with their families?

Prohibition doesn't matter to some, because some of the drug abusers have chosen to baby their abuse, by feeding their drug abuse?

Whether a drug has been legalized or not.

It's sad, to see how a drug users, drug use, apparently, gets prioritized above ones own family, job, and so on?

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

Are you personally comfortable with a dad or mom using their medical weed, or recreational weed, meth, heroin, crack cocaine, or cocaine, or abusing prescription drugs, around their own kids, or families?

Yes or no?

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

I asked:

"So, your position is in favor of maintaining cannabis illegal right? What is your primary goal with this?? What do you think prohibition is supposed to achieve?"
Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is your concern a public health concern? Maybe you have shares in private prison companies and want to boost your profits?"

And you replied with :

I'm pro kid, pro children, pro sober family oriented, pro law abiding, and pro public.

How is that an answer to the question?

Specifically, Do you want to stop all drug use altogether? Is that your primary goal?
Or maybe it's a public health concern? Something else?

TKDB

@John_C_87

, keep playing on your keyboard.

Plaffelvohfen

TKDB said:
@Plaffelvohfen ;

Are you personally comfortable with a dad or mom using their medical weed, or recreational weed, meth, heroin, crack cocaine, or cocaine, or abusing prescription drugs, around their own kids, or families?

Yes or no?

Depends... Heroin, crack, meth, no obviously... But cannabis? Ultimately yes, I'm comfortable with it, because I know about this stuff... I've been trained to recognize what drug someone uses just by their behavior, and cannabis user don't usually represent a problem in this regard, there are exception of course, there are sober people I wouldn't want my kid around too...

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

I'm not comfortable with it.

And any kid, or childrens health, should be viewed as more important, than any parents illegal or legalized drug use.

The legalization of weed, in general, benefits the marijuana industry, the taxation and revenue coffers, and some of those select political representatives, who maybe, wants to use some of the weed legalization talking points, as a part of their campaign speech, I guess, in a sense, to maybe, pander to the medicinal marijuana, and recreational marijuana user's, for their votes?

And it benefits the previous illegal weed user's, by legalizing their once illegal drug of choice, so that they can continue, self catering to their drug addiction, with the legalized marijuana?

But rarely, does the public, get to hear from those kids, or families, that have been affected, by a parents marijuana use around them, prior to recreational marijuana being legalized, or even in post marijuana legalization?

I guess, that those types of interviews, or stories, could maybe, be viewed as a negative, towards, the very light of the legalization of marijuana movement, couldn't it?

"But cannabis? Ultimately yes, I'm comfortable with it, because I know about this stuff... I've been trained to recognize what drug someone uses just by their behavior, and cannabis user don't usually represent a problem in this regard, there are exception of course, there are sober people I wouldn't want my kid around too."

John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen ;
Patent law ownership of a patent right as absolute control over object the problem is that the patent application should cite all contributors as unknown as whole truth. It is how many narcotics are held in single ownership in legal precedent.

Why do you write this way??

I am identifing a basic principle in a intelligent and skillfully assembling of data. When reading TKDB's post. I am not saying TKDB is doing it intentionally only the basic principle is there as a united state with other information.

@ TKDB
Just pointing out an a issue of ping as a type Tec located. There was a video game before Pong.

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

Your personal comfort is not enough to justify any law... As is mine with guns or religions for example...

You did not answer my question still... What do you want to achieve by maintaining (or returning to) cannabis illegal status? What is the purpose?

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

And your individual debate or argument tactic, isn't enough to present any counter argument when again, it comes to any kids, or child's health, should be viewed as more important, than any parents illegal or legalized drug use.

The legalization of weed, in general, benefits the marijuana industry, the taxation and revenue coffers, and some of those select political representatives, who maybe, wants to use some of the weed legalization talking points, as a part of their campaign speech, I guess, in a sense, to maybe, pander to the medicinal marijuana, and recreational marijuana user's, for their votes?

And it benefits the previous illegal weed user's, by legalizing their once illegal drug of choice, so that they can continue, self catering to their drug addiction, with the legalized marijuana?

But rarely, does the public, get to hear from those kids, or families, that have been affected, by a parents marijuana use around them, prior to recreational marijuana being legalized, or even in post marijuana legalization?

I guess, that those types of interviews, or stories, could maybe, be viewed as a negative, towards, the very light of the legalization of marijuana movement, couldn't it?

So why cant you present a counter argument to the above, instead of having a tunnel vision argument, towards me, instead of the real life arguments, when it comes to those kids, or children?

Because we're not here to debate over your view, of your individual comfort, when it comes to your guns, or your religion are we?

The debating conversation, is about their parents illegal, and legalized recreational, and medicinal marijuana uses, and abuses, being done around their kids, children, or families, isn't it.

"Your personal comfort is not enough to justify any law... As is mine with guns or religions for example."

I did answer your question, you just talked around it, with this self rationalized set of words from yourself?

"You did not answer my question still... What do you want to achieve by maintaining (or returning to) cannabis illegal status? What is the purpose?"

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB ;

My mention of "comfort" was a direct answer to your own question... It was not an argument... Are you high?

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

My answer, is a sobering answer, that is pro kid, child, and pro family, and pro public in general.

What kind of an answer is this from you?

"My mention of "comfort" was a direct answer to your own question... It was not an argument... Are you high?"

John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen ;

. What do you want to achieve by maintaining (or returning to) cannabis illegal status? What is the purpose?

Marijuana never held a united state as illegal.
While legislation was left unconstitutional to litigate the act of High or influence of the marijuana. In this condition of unconstitutional the law is describe as lacking honest basic principle or legal precedent.

https://www.answers.com/Q/What_chemical_in_marijuana_gets_you_high

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Marijuana-Possession.htm ;
'Hemp is marijuana and it is the smoking of a marijuana that can get a person high which is illegal. marijuana does not hold a united state as illgal. Never did. Understand the basic principle in legal document is a lie. The infleunce of marijuan is in truth the criminal act by basic principle.

John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen ;
So, does appear that marijuana is being used to hold the status of Drug War out of the description category of Chemical War, or Chemical Warfare? As a writer, or maybe even as a journalist what is the correct way to document this as truth? The idea is if something is not known can't we ask? When we ask and get no answer then what?

John_C_87

My answer, is a sobering answer, that is pro kid, child, and pro family, and pro public in general.

Not in whole truth TKDB there is a hard choice that needs to be made about a battle taking place. The danger is chemical Warfare by use of narcotic being placed in marijuana. The way you are describing the War the use of chemical is hidden, becoming culvert when intentional. The addition of marijuana as a narcotic makes this process legal in limited effect, how is this criminal act honestly said to be pro child Plausible denial? This address can be set as a War Crime adding additional pressures to people holding and who are held as P.O.W.

The upside is as a narcotic marijuana that has been tampered with means the criminal is now Practicing medicine publicly without a Medical license. Making marijuana legal or illegal will never address this more serious issue in the Drug War as the time for one crime is multiplied by interpretations on double jeopardy? As unconstitutional laws continue to take place as part of the United-State held in law. Democracy is only half of any united-state created around it when described by a state of its union.

Plausible denial is not applicable this is where the state of Martial law reflects a lack of better judgment in a secession of command. Knowingly allowing children to be poised in a chemical war by hiding behind the idea a narcotic distribution is illegal in general is irresponsible at best.

Chemicals in marijuana Delta-9- tetrahydrocannabinol, Delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol.

https://www.themarijuanaeffect.com/chemicalsinmarijuana/

John_C_87

Plaffelvohfen said:

@John_C_87 ;
Why do you write this way??

By the way I rush through some of my writing and do not proof it often, sorry.

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

My answer, is a sobering answer, that is pro kid, child, and pro family, and pro public in general.

That's not an answer nor an argument, these are general positions...

Now THIS is a question you've failed to answer so far : What do you want to achieve by maintaining (or returning to) cannabis illegal status?

TKDB

@Plaffelvohfen

What do you personally gain from this stated position from yourself?

"Now THIS is a question you've failed to answer so far:

What do you want to achieve by maintaining (or returning to) cannabis illegal status?"

Do you know of any parents who have used illegal or legal marijuana around their kids, illegally?

And maybe this reason, is why you've continued to ask this same question to me while dodging my argument?

"My answer, is a sobering answer, that is pro kid, child, and pro family, and pro public in general."

Plaffelvohfen

@TKDB

What do you personally gain from this stated position from yourself?
"Now THIS is a question you've failed to answer so far: What do you want to achieve by maintaining (or returning to) cannabis illegal status?"

It's not a statement of position it's a QUESTION... Do you understand what a question is?? It gives information, I'm not a mind reader you know...

Do you know of any parents who have used illegal or legal marijuana around their kids, illegally?

What constitues an "illegal use" of legal cannabis??? You'll definitely have to explain this one...

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