Marijuana should be legal, change my mind.

Plaffelvohfen

John_C_87 said:

Basically  Plaffelvohfen Safety issues are a declaration made on independence before they are translated into a constitutional basic principle and a constitutional legal precedent.

What do you mean by that John? (the part in bold) 

John_C_87

Saying something should be done by law to make an environment safe is a legal precedent and not basic principle. Allowing a regulated use of THC with an evaluation of air quality standard is allowed to be proven safer than making the product that can be burned to create a cross contamination by secondhand ingestion illegal.

Safety is an amendment on independence not United State Constitution. Congress has never addressed any changes by amendment on the American declaration of Independence. When allowing the use and controlling contamination the risk of a much more potent narcotic is removed.

TKDB

@John_C_87

I wonder how many real life, recreational marijuana user's, are participating in this forum?

I'm calling the legalization of recreational marijuana a joke.

For profit, and apparently for votes, and for the marijuana addict, placing their individual addictions above their own families?

Because it gives the addicts what they wanted.

@John_C_87


Are you pro marijuana industry oriented first?

And pro kid, pro children, and pro family second?

Some of the state's in the United States, can do better when it comes to its (financial issues, or taxation and revenue problems) without some of those states, having to compromise themselves, to cater, pander, and coddle, to the recreational marijuana user's, legal, and illegal marijuana use?

And I'm wondering, as well, why the pro kid, children, and family questions, maybe weren't asked to some of the law maker's, or some of the pro marijuana individuals, prior to recreational marijuana being legalized in those states, where weed has been legalized?

Because on YouTube, so far, I've yet to see, or hear, any of the apparent pro industry individuals, express about how those parent, or parents legalized marijuana use, around the marijuana user's kids, might affect those kids?

Or if they agree, with a pregnant lady using marijuana while being pregnant?

(I've never heard a law maker, who's considering the legalization of recreational marijuana in their individual state, or any pro marijuana industry supporter, being asked, to answer a question of such importance before?)

Reality based questions, that apparently weren't asked by any news anchor, towards any of the pro marijuana industry supporters, with a news camera before their faces?

When questions, like the above aren't being asked in real life, then the public, isnt BEING properly educated on a marijuana addicts drug use, around their kids, or an unborn baby?

So in a sense, some of the public, might not know, if they are being educated by a complete truth, or if lies weren't being told to the public, because some chose not to ask those questions, that can affect the lives of an unborn baby, or toddlers, children, or those families, living with a family members, marijuana addiction problems?

Because, I'm not afraid of saying I'm pro kids, pro children, pro sober family, and pro public, unlike some of the pro marijuana crowds refusal to answer that simple of a question?  

John_C_87

Plaffelvohfen said:

John_C_87 said:

Basically  Plaffelvohfen Safety issues are a declaration made on independence before they are translated into a constitutional basic principle and a constitutional legal precedent.

What do you mean by that John? (the part in bold) 

The debate is a presumption of danger to people. A person does not have to prove something is 100% safe when a grievance states it is not 100% safe. TKDB suggests we must prove marijuana as 100% child proof, in truth we need to establish there is a greater danger in a practical manner legislation takes place. Therefor a change should be made.

Plaffelvohfen

John_C_87 said:

Plaffelvohfen said:

John_C_87 said:

Basically  Plaffelvohfen Safety issues are a declaration made on independence before they are translated into a constitutional basic principle and a constitutional legal precedent.

What do you mean by that John? (the part in bold) 

The debate is a presumption of danger to people. A person does not have to prove something is 100% safe when a grievance states it is not 100% safe. TKDB suggests we must prove marijuana as 100% child proof, in truth we need to establish there is a greater danger in a practical manner legislation takes place. Therefor a change should be made.

Ok, I see... It's not the "debate" per se that presumes of a danger to people, it's TKDB's argument in the debate that presumes so, but I would agree with you overall on this...

John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen ;

Again Marijuana is already legal yet farmers are not allowed to grow marijuana becuases of a public issues with air pollution. Had this type legal precedent continued with alcohol we would be fighting over blind and dead children who come in contact with bad distillations of licour.

TKDB

@John_C_87

"The debate is a presumption of danger to people. A person does not have to prove something is 100% safe when a grievance states it is not 100% safe. TKDB suggests we must prove marijuana as 100% child proof, in truth we need to establish there is a greater danger in a practical manner legislation takes place. Therefor a change should be made."


@Plaffelvohfen

"Ok, I see... It's not the "debate" per se that presumes of a danger to people, it's TKDB's argument in the debate that presumes so, but I would agree with you overall on this."


Why don't the both of you;
Prove to the public, that marijuana use, or addiction, isn't dangerous?

Prove to the public, that those parents who are, and have been using illegal, and legalized marijuana, aren't endangering their own kids, children, or families, because of their chronic, or addictive marijuana use, or abuse?

Prove to the public, that when a pregnant lady is maybe using marijuana, at the same time, while she is pregnant, that she isn't endangering the life, of her unborn baby?

Because the THC in her blood stream, is being processed into the baby, via the babies umbilical cord?

Some evidence, of how an umbilical cord, works between the mother, and her unborn baby:

https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-the-umbilical-cord-definition-function-quiz.html

"The umbilical cord carries oxygenated blood and nutrients from the placenta to the fetus through the abdomen, where the navel forms. It also carries deoxygenated blood and waste productsfrom the fetus to the placenta."

Prove to the public, that some of the kids, and teenagers, aren't endangering the lives of other, kids, and teenagers, by introducing them to the marijuana addiction problems, and doing it behind, the backs of the kids, and teenagers parents?

That's the taboo addiction problem with the marijuana addicts drug use, people of various ages, regardless of whether they are male or female, are playing a drug addiction game, with other people's lives.

Unborn babies, toddlers, kids, children, and families alike.

And prove that WebMD is telling lies to the public, because of the marijuana medical issues in regards to Marijuana use, because some of the pro marijuana industry talking heads, know what's better for the public, medical wise, than the doctors on that website do?

Where is your counter pro marijuana industry evidence, 

@Plaffelvohfen?

@John_C_87?


Reward the marijuana addicts addiction problems, and basically, in a sense, nevermind those being affected by the marijuana addicts drug problems?

Plaffelvohfen

John_C_87 said:

@Plaffelvohfen ;

Again Marijuana is already legal yet farmers are not allowed to grow marijuana becuases of a public issues with air pollution. Had this type legal precedent continued with alcohol we would be fighting over blind and dead children who come in contact with bad distillations of licour.

I understand that you think it should be legal for this reason, but can you find me a link to the legislation that allows the growing of the marijuana plant? Somewhere where it is plainly written that is right now, legal, all over the USA to do so... It might exist but I'm very doubtful on this... 

John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen ;

Marijuana is legal, it is not a thought assuming marijuana should be legal to own as a substance. Proving this is easier as there are no convictions made by legal prosecution on the possession of hemp fiber as rope. What males a law provable as unconstitutional is that an American farmer is not allowed to grow marijuana in the United States but that same farmer can buy and use hemp rope grown elsewhere on other farms. This is describing that a farmer or any American does not have the common defense specifically noted in the preamble of the United Sates Constitution. The only greater step towards malpractice would be to outlaw hemp rope.

John_C_87

sorry makes a law

Plaffelvohfen

@John_C_87

Well, although both Hemp and Marijuana are types of cannabis, they are NOT the same plant... 

https://ministryofhemp.com/hemp/not-marijuana/ 

TKDB

To the public, let's see if @Plaffelvohfen and @John_C_87

Can formerly address the below issues, with some non pro marijuana industry rhetoric driven clarity? 

Why don't the both of you;
Prove to the public, that marijuana use, or addiction, isn't dangerous?

Prove to the public, that those parents who are, and have been using illegal, and legalized marijuana, aren't endangering their own kids, children, or families, because of their chronic, or addictive marijuana use, or abuse?

Prove to the public, that when a pregnant lady is maybe using marijuana, at the same time, while she is pregnant, that she isn't endangering the life, of her unborn baby?

Because the THC in her blood stream, is being processed into the baby, via the babies umbilical cord?

Some evidence, of how an umbilical cord, works between the mother, and her unborn baby:

https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-the-umbilical-cord-definition-function-quiz.html

"The umbilical cord carries oxygenated blood and nutrients from the placenta to the fetus through the abdomen, where the navel forms. It also carries deoxygenated blood and waste productsfrom the fetus to the placenta."

Prove to the public, that some of the kids, and teenagers, aren't endangering the lives of other, kids, and teenagers, by introducing them to the marijuana addiction problems, and doing it behind, the backs of the kids, and teenagers parents?

That's the taboo addiction problem with the marijuana addicts drug use, people of various ages, regardless of whether they are male or female, are playing a drug addiction game, with other people's lives.

Unborn babies, toddlers, kids, children, and families alike.

And prove that WebMD is telling lies to the public, because of the marijuana medical issues in regards to Marijuana use, because some of the pro marijuana industry talking heads, know what's better for the public, medical wise, than the doctors on that website do?

Where is your counter pro marijuana industry evidence,  

billbatard

@YeshuaRedeemed go for it

John_C_87

Plaffelvohfen said:

@John_C_87

Well, although both Hemp and Marijuana are types of cannabis, they are NOT the same plant... 

https://ministryofhemp.com/hemp/not-marijuana/ 

This addresses the idea of constitutional malpractice in law how? You are providing evidence on how a malpractice takes place, or how malpractice of law does not take place?

The only difference the website gives is THC levels.

John_C_87

@TKDB
Since when have you established regulating marijuana on a air quality pollutant level is wrong. You are intentionally avoiding the process of tampering to marijuana and its overall threat and danger to children and those who enjoy a liberty by its influence. The danger as descried in basic principle we know is in the burning, smoke that  harm moves through the air placing the child or children at risk, ,  yet still we are knowingly creating legislation around a child holding or berried in marijuana as the danger?

TKDB

@John_C_87

Still playing your "Air Quality," game?

"You are intentionally avoiding the process of tampering to marijuana and its overall threat and danger to children and those who enjoy a liberty by its influence."

Why don't you go get some real world facts?

Where are your facts that justify a pregnant lady smoking weed, while carrying an unborn child? 

"yet still we are knowingly creating legislation around a child holding or berried in marijuana as the danger?"

A lady has the right to endanger her unborn baby, with her illegal or legalized marijuana use?


Where are your facts that justify, the legalization of weed, by making money off of the marijuana addicts, where recreational marijuana has been legalized?

"yet still we are knowingly creating legislation around a child holding or berried in marijuana as the danger?"


A state has the right to in a sense, to endanger the lives of the rest of their "non marijuana using constituents," by endangering their very lives, by allowing the marijuana addicts to have their drug of choice legalized?

"yet still we are knowingly creating legislation around a child holding or berried in marijuana as the danger?"

Where are your facts to justify the marijuana addict parent, or parents, using illegal marijuana, and legalized marijuana, around their own unborn babies, toddlers, kids, children, or their families? 

"yet still we are knowingly creating legislation around a child holding or berried in marijuana as the danger?"

When a marijuana user commits suicide, does the Legalization of marijuana law supporters, and the pro marijuana industry supporters, get to mindfully, or publicly bypass, the rest of the publics view, with your air quality mind game, and their pro marijuana industry pusher rhetoric? 

"yet still we are knowingly creating legislation around a child holding or berried in marijuana as the danger?"

I don't think so, whether its a forum like this, or via a face to face community town hall meeting, discussing the above points of view? 

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

Where are your facts that justify a pregnant lady smoking weed, while carrying an unborn child? 

Stop trying to make me a lawyer in defending a person who is being victimized by an unconstitutional law. You are saying smoke; this means burning marijuana and have knowingly lied about any threat in legislation.

Malpractice.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malpractice

TKDB

@John_C_87

The legalization of recreational marijuana is legalized malpractice.

Illegally putting some of the unborn babies, and some of the toddlers, kids, children, and families in danger by making them live with a marijuana addicts drug addiction?

"Stop trying to make me a lawyer in defending a person who is being victimized by an unconstitutional law. You are saying smoke; this means burning marijuana and have knowingly lied about any threat in legislation."

Malpractice.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/malpractice

"An act or continuing conduct of a professional which does not meet the standard of professional competence and results in provable damages to his/her client or patient. Such an error or omission may be through negligence, ignorance (when the professional should have known), or intentional wrongdoing."

A way to read this definition?

A parent, or parents, being professional parents?

To look at a marijuana parent, or parents marijuana use and abuse around their kids, isnt being a professional parent, or parents, are they?

 A parent, who's not exposing an unborn baby to her marijuana use, or a parent, or parents who are aren't, exposing their kids, children, or families to their non drug use, are the professional parents, aren't they? 

TKDB

The other side of the legalization of marijuana conversion:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/drug-law-reform/marijuana-legalization-racial-justice-issue

"Marijuana Legalization Is a Racial Justice Issue"

"Marijuana has been a key driver of mass criminalization in this country and hundreds of thousands of people, the majority of whom are Black or Latinx, have their lives impacted by a marijuana arrest each year. But the tide is turning against the remnants of a drug war targeted at Black and Brown people that was never meant to increase public safety in the first place. Legalization is an important step towards ending the war on drugs, and it cannot come soon enough.

Legalizing marijuana must come with expungement, with reinvestment in the communities most harmed by enforcement, with limitations on how police can interact with people who they suspect of a marijuana offense, with legal nonpublic spaces for smoking marijuana for those who cannot smoke in their residence, with a prohibition on deportation for people with marijuana convictions, and with full inclusion of those most impacted by criminalization of marijuana in the new marijuana industry.

Currently, nine states and the District of Columbia allow for recreational use among adults, while 31 states allow for medical use of marijuana. The laws reflect growing public support. Two out of three Americans are in favor of legalization, which has majority support in all age groups and political affiliations.

While progress in reforming our nation’s drug laws is vital, we must remember that if we legalize without righting the wrongs of past marijuana enforcement, we risk reinforcing the decades of disproportionate harm communities of color have faced and endured. People in the United States use and sell marijuana at roughly the same rateregardless of their race, yet a Black person is almost four times more likely than a white person to be arrested for marijuana possession nationwide. In addition, roughly 13,000 people were deported or separated from their communities and families in 2013 alone for drug-related offenses.

While it is not a panacea for past harms, thoughtful legalization can help us forge a more equitable future.

Today, overcriminalized communities continue to suffer from the fallout our nation’s drug laws, even in states that have legalized marijuana and seen dramatic drops in the number of people arrested for marijuana crimes. That’s because legalization has not eradicated the indefensible rate at which Black and Latinx people are arrested for marijuana offenses in these states. In fact, many states have seen an even steeper rise in the percentage of Black and Latinx people having their lives impacted by a marijuana arrest. Two years after decriminalization in the nation’s capital, a Black person is 11 times more likely than a white person to be arrested for public use of marijuana.  "

"This is one of the main reasons enforcement is key to reform. When it comes to drug law reform, policing, which more rightly can be titled over-policing, is at the headwaters of the injustices communities of color suffer.  We must address, combat, and eventually eliminate discriminatory policing practices and the structural racial bias at every step of our criminal legal system. Legalization measures must have equity as a vital component to avoid continuing to harm certain and to address the years of hardship and stigma that criminalizing marijuana has wrought.

Along with the harm of incarceration and conviction, a simple marijuana charge has a negative ripple effect.

Having a marijuana conviction on your record can make it difficult to secure and maintain employment, housing, or secure government assistance for the rest of your life. This is why clearing people’s records of marijuana convictions is a necessary addition to any legalization measure. If we believe that marijuana is not worthy of criminal intervention, then it is only right we stop the suffering inflicted on people by a marijuana prosecution. Especially since we know this disproportionately falls on the shoulders, and families, of low-income communities and communities of color.  

Such efforts to extend racial justice must explicitly be tied to a program of economic justice.

People who have been harmed by the enforcement of marijuana must have a place in the bourgeoning marketplace created by legalization. Indeed, any legalization bill should include provisions that enable people who have struggled to find employment due to a marijuana conviction to participate meaningfully in the marijuana industry. Excluding people directly impacted by marijuana criminalization from the industry further entrenches the outsized impact that the war on drugs has had on communities of color.

If we legalize without mindfulness of the full ecosystem of the criminal legal system and how it impacts people, then corporate and industry-backed legalization efforts will lead us away from what is right and just. That is why we must support legalization legislation that truly help roll back overcriminalization, end the failed war on drugs once and for all, and usher in a more equitable future through drug law reform nationwide."

I call the legalization of marijuana, a Bias Against Family?

To profit off of addiction, at the cost of family?

Regardless of an individuals skin tone.

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87 ;

"An act or continuing conduct of a professional which does not meet the standard of professional competence and results in provable damages to his/her client or patient. Such an error or omission may be through negligence, ignorance (when the professional should have known), or intentional wrongdoing."

A way to read this definition?

A parent, or parents, being professional parents?

To look at a marijuana parent, or parents marijuana use and abuse around their kids, isnt being a professional parent, or parents, are they?

 A parent, who's not exposing an unborn baby to her marijuana use, or a parent, or parents who are aren't, exposing their kids, children, or families to their non drug use, are the professional parents, aren't they? 

Okay, so how do we identify the basic principle which creates all parents a professionals?

TKDB

@John_C_87

The kids, children, and the families, living with a marijuana addict, or addicts, deserve a better parent, or parents.

John_C_87

Better parents or better life. As a united state not all people who are abusing a substance have parents. 

TKDB

@John_C_87

Better life, because of those parents who choose not to be marijuana addicts?

The United States of America, would be a better country, with the marijuana addicts, not placing their marijuana addictions over their own kids, children, families, and the United States of America, as a whole public.

The parents across this country, who are marijuana addicts, should be braver for their kids, children, and families.

Their kids, children, and families deserve that.

Otherwise the marijuana addicts, are cheating their families, out of proper parenting.

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87

Better life, because of those parents who choose not to be marijuana addicts?

The United States of America, would be a better country, with the marijuana addicts, not placing their marijuana addictions over their own kids, children, families, and the United States of America, as a whole public.

The parents across this country, who are marijuana addicts, should be braver for their kids, children, and families.

Their kids, children, and families deserve that.

Otherwise the marijuana addicts, are cheating their families, out of proper parenting.

Better parenting does not hold a United State without a use of marijuana many parents can simply be better. It is still an issue of malpractice of law when we legislate air pollution as a substance abuse.

TKDB

@John_C_87

Hire an attorney, to help you craft a better defense, than this nonsense from you:

"Better parenting does not hold a United State without a use of marijuana many parents can simply be better. It is still an issue of malpractice of law when we legislate air pollution as a substance abuse."

Here you go, 

https://norml.org/goto-lawyers ;

And show the below to one of them? 

Better life, because of those parents who choose not to be marijuana addicts?

The United States of America, would be a better country, with the marijuana addicts, not placing their marijuana addictions over their own kids, children, families, and the United States of America, as a whole public.

The parents across this country, who are marijuana addicts, should be braver for their kids, children, and families.

Their kids, children, and families deserve that.

Otherwise the marijuana addicts, are cheating their families, out of proper parenting.

Some of the state's in the United States, can do better when it comes to its (financial issues, or taxation and revenue problems) without some of those states, having to compromise themselves, to cater, pander, and coddle, to the recreational marijuana user's, legal, and illegal marijuana use?

And I'm wondering, as well, why the pro kid, children, and family questions, maybe weren't asked to some of the law maker's, or some of the pro marijuana individuals, prior to recreational marijuana being legalized in those states, where weed has been legalized?

Because on YouTube, so far, I've yet to see, or hear, any of the apparent pro industry individuals, express about how those parent, or parents legalized marijuana use, around the marijuana user's kids, might affect those kids?

Or if they agree, with a pregnant lady using marijuana while being pregnant?

(I've never heard a law maker, who's considering the legalization of recreational marijuana in their individual state, or any pro marijuana industry supporter, being asked, to answer a question of such importance before?)

Reality based questions, that apparently weren't asked by any news anchor, towards any of the pro marijuana industry supporters, with a news camera before their faces?

When questions, like the above aren't being asked in real life, then the public, isnt BEING properly educated on a marijuana addicts drug use, around their kids, or an unborn baby?

So in a sense, some of the public, might not know, if they are being educated by a complete truth, or if lies weren't being told to the public, because some chose not to ask those questions, that can affect the lives of an unborn baby, or toddlers, children, or those families, living with a family members, marijuana addiction problems?

Because, I'm not afraid of saying I'm pro kids, pro children, pro sober family, and pro public, unlike some of the pro marijuana crowds refusal to answer that simple of a question?   

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

Hire an attorney, to help you craft a better defense, than this nonsense from you:

I might TKDB as soon as you inform of a common defense as to how I would not be drawling council into malpractice of law. Air pollution in basic principle is not an object as substance demanding prohibition, or abolishment of ownership. Parents do many things which place children at extreme risk including such necessity as cleaning and feeding them.

TKDB

@John_C_87

, you're the pro marijuana advocate, advocating in defense of the millions of marijuana addict parent, or parents, who are apparently placing their addiction, above, their own kid's, children, and families, whether those same kid's, children, or families want that marijuana addiction, around them or not? 

"Parents do many things which place children at extreme risk including such necessity as cleaning and feeding them."

So cleaning, and feeding kids, or children, is more dangerous to those kids, than their parent, or parents, marijuana addiction problems?

Is this your defense? 

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@John_C_87

, you're the pro marijuana advocate, advocating in defense of the millions of marijuana addict parent, or parents, who are apparently placing their addiction, above, their own kid's, children, and families, whether those same kid's, children, or families want that marijuana addiction, around them or not? 

"Parents do many things which place children at extreme risk including such necessity as cleaning and feeding them."

So cleaning, and feeding kids, or children, is more dangerous to those kids, than their parent, or parents, marijuana addiction problems?

Is this your defense? 

You have never seen a cleaning addiction?
I'm not defending marijuana I'm addressing your malpractice of law in directing legislation of a substance when it should be air pollution.  

TKDB

@John_C_87

When you have a more humane response, you let me know? 

Because your pro marijuana arguments favors the marijuana addicts, over their own kids, children, and families?

"You have never seen a cleaning addiction?
I'm not defending marijuana I'm addressing your malpractice of law in directing legislation of a substance when it should be air pollution."

John_C_87

@TKDB

Yes it does not favor public liberty on marijuana. It is due to your response which places children in a united state of greater danger. This is in part to the malpractice of law you are directing be taken. The quality of marijuana should be regulated to protect those who not only use or consume it, but for those who may be exposed to pollution created by improper use. It is you TDKB who are negligent to any and all children as you are not even following legal precedent already followed by most of the world. I have tried to let you know, you simple do not understand United State Constitutional principle. For some reasons left unsaid you insist on lies and not a series of basic truths to form a whole truth.

TKDB

@John_C_87

@Plaffelvohfen :Why don't you add some clarity to your silent argument?

And to both of you:

Those marijuana addict parent, or parents, who are using and abusing their drugs around their kids, children, or families, is what drug addiction malpractice looks like.

What are your conjoined, thoughts on teen suicide, because a teenager got involved with Marijuana? 

Or on pregnant mothers, who are using marijuana, while carrying a baby?

Doesn't that unborn baby, get to have a say, in regards to their mom, using marijuana while carrying said baby? 

What's more important to the marijuana addicts, their drug of choice, or their own unborn baby, kids, children, or families? 

Seems to me that when it comes to a marijuana addicts, decisions, or choices, that their illegal drugs, or marijuana, is more important to them, than their own families are?

And I have as of yet, to read, any counter arguments, that states, anything to the contrary?

Come on pro marijuana crowd? 

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

Again you are simply just say because a person is wrong you have a right top punish everyone.

TKDB

@John_C_87

Marijuana addicts are punishing their own kids, children, and families, via their marijuana pursuits, legalized, and illegal, and thus far, as far as I can tell, none of the pro marijuana industry talking heads, won't purse their lips, to raise a word, against their own profits, whether the kids, children, or those families, of the marijuana addicts are recognized at all?

The marijuana industry is quiet, and won't say a word, unless you maybe tresspass against them, or their pro marijuana rhetoric word

The marijuana addicts, are quiet now, because their addiction needs are being met?


@Plaffelvohfen is being quiet.

@ZeusAres42 is being quiet.


I'm reading between the lines of their pro marijuana silence, and my guess, is that their silence speaks to a probable quiet fraud?

http://marriagepolicy.org/2018/09/report-the-costly-fraud-of-marijuana-normalization/

"California, Colorado, Washington D.C., and Washington State are convincing proof that marijuana normalization brings with it a sea of wreckage and red ink.   The broad and deep costs are well beyond the ability of states to afford, and far beyond tax revenues collected.

Marijuana “legalization” is a cruel hoax.  Marijuana is not legalized when the State establishes itself as the Monopoly Drug Cartel.   A complex new set of criminal and civil laws guarantee dominance of the state monopoly.  With few exceptions, growing, distribution, sales, substance abuse, crimes, and DUI are just as illegal and prosecutable as before. Crime rates then explode when foreign cartels battle the state for the drug addict’s dollar in a sea of green.  This translates into more arrests than before.  For example, in Colorado, arrests of black and latino youth increased 58% and 29% respectively after marijuana was normalized.

The Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areareport thoroughly documents a litany of longitudinal problems caused by marijuana normalization.  The Chronic State is an excellent short documentary documenting the surprising array of health, policing, criminal, and environmental consequences.

My previous article “Marijuana is a national health and political crisis” revealed some of the health, political, and legal problems caused by marijuana normalization.

This report covers the sea of red ink occurring in states that normalized marijuana never previously discussed or estimated.

The Big Truth of marijuana normalization: Public pocketbooks are being picked by the Marijuana State.  Cities, counties, police, Chambers of Commerce, social services, hospitals, insurance companies, businesses, and every private citizen are being systematically looted, while local jurisdictions are stuck paying for all the costly problems.

Why is this true?

The consequences of marijuana normalization are actually worse than for other drugs.  States are aggressively going into business as Drug Cartels and doctors dealing addictive drugs.   States hijacked to act as criminal enterprises are driving drug addiction under the guise of social justice.  The monetary and social wreckage is not predicted or paid for by the state.  Vast expenses are dumped by design on cities, counties, businesses, and taxpayers. "

ZeusAres42

@TKDB

I think the biggest issue is that a large portion of the US government seems too high as a kite. 

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

Prove it.

Names, witnesses, maybe some sellouts? 

"I think the biggest issue is that a large portion of the US government seems too high as a kite. "

Or just keep reiterating your same rhetoric, from behind your anonymous name?

And say meaningless statements like this pro marijuana statement from you?

"I think the biggest issue is that a large portion of the US government seems too high as a kite." 

ZeusAres42

@TKDB

Just another joke buddy. Don't you think we need a bit of comedy to lighten the mood at times?

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

Nope, if the marijuana addicts are exposing their kids, children, and families to their marijuana use, and abuse?

That's not a joke, that's legalized family abuse, via the legalization of marijuana, via the marijuana addicts.

"Just another joke buddy. Don't you think we need a bit of comedy to lighten the mood at times?"

John_C_87

TKDB said:

@ZeusAres42

Nope, if the marijuana addicts are exposing their kids, children, and families to their marijuana use, and abuse?

That's not a joke, that's legalized family abuse, via the legalization of marijuana, via the marijuana addicts.

"Just another joke buddy. Don't you think we need a bit of comedy to lighten the mood at times?"

Child abuse or in basic principle Air pollution. I'm kind of just glad the kids aren't eating ice-cream on the side of the a buzzy street full of cars burning leaded gas..... How old are you TKDB? 

TKDB

@John_C_87

How old are you John?

And exactly what does the irrelevance of our ages, have to do with a parent, or parents, marijuana addiction, and marijuana abusive activities, playing out in front of the babies, kids, children, or families, have to do with our ages John? 

You're another anonymous name, pushing your individual ideology, on the internet. 

John_C_87

Our age has to do with exposure to air pollution.

TKDB

@John_C_87

And our age, has nothing to do with the theme of the forum, does it?

I'm pro unborn baby, whose mother didn't use marijuana while the mother was pregnant?

I'm also pro sober family.

Pro kids, pro children, and pro family, whose marijuana addict parent, or parents, aren't abusing the air inside of their homes, with their marijuana addiction.

Or the mother, isn't polluting a babies nutrients, while carrying a baby, while indulging in medicinal marijuana, or recreational marijuana. 

Where are your real life arguments at John, to counter the above arguments at?

What is your position on a marijuana addict mother, using marijuana while she is pregnant? 

John_C_87

And our age, has nothing to do with the theme of the forum, does it?

Sure does have something to do with the room forum. The age of ourselves has a great deal to do with the knowledge of the kinds of narcotics an improper regulation of marijuana has introduced to children.

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

Ex post facto laws retroactively change the rules of evidence in a criminal case, retroactively alter the definition of a crime, retroactively increase the punishment for a criminal act, or punish conduct that was legal when committed. They are prohibited by Article I, Section 10, Clause 1, of the U.S. Constitution. An ex post facto law is considered a hallmark of tyranny because it deprives people of a sense of what behavior will or will not be punished and allows for random punishment at the whim of those in power.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Ex+Post+Facto+Laws

The idea is governing is trying to regulate an amount of Chemical which is produced organically natural inside a substance which is farmed for its general consumption and use with a natural variation 
which allows for medical purpose. As a State wishes to hold licenses as a permission on distribution of the Chemical and its effect. 

John_C_87

The governing state has a legal obligation when chemical modifications by medication are found and/or used as additive in an un-prescribe manner. Malpractice of Law does not have to take place with knowledge of the mistake before-hand. The overall governing made by law can still be considered, then described as a malpractice. 

TKDB

@John_C_87

So, from the very choice words from your own individual stance, you have zero counter arguments for the below?:

Instead of your own conjured up, (Johnisms?)

"Sure does have something to do with the room forum. The age of ourselves has a great deal to do with the knowledge of the kinds of narcotics an improper regulation of marijuana has introduced to children."

"Ex post facto laws retroactively change the rules of evidence in a criminal case, retroactively alter the definition of a crime, retroactively increase the punishment for a criminal act, or punish conduct that was legal when committed. They are prohibited by Article I, Section 10, Clause 1, of the U.S. Constitution. An ex post facto law is considered a hallmark of tyranny because it deprives people of a sense of what behavior will or will not be punished and allows for random punishment at the whim of those in power.,

"The idea is governing is trying to regulate an amount of Chemical which is produced organically natural inside a substance which is farmed for its general consumption and use with a natural variation 
which allows for medical purpose. As a State wishes to hold licenses as a permission on distribution of the Chemical and its effect."

,The governing state has a legal obligation when chemical modifications by medication are found and/or used as additive in an un-prescribe manner. Malpractice of Law does not have to take place with knowledge of the mistake before-hand. The overall governing made by law can still be considered, then described as a malpractice."

I'm pro unborn baby, whose mother didn't use marijuana while the mother was pregnant?

I'm also pro sober family.

Pro kids, pro children, and pro family, whose marijuana addict parent, or parents, aren't abusing the air inside of their homes, with their marijuana addiction.

Or the mother, isn't polluting a babies nutrients, while carrying a baby, while indulging in medicinal marijuana, or recreational marijuana. 

John: Where are your real life arguments at John, to counter the above arguments at?

John: What is your position on a marijuana addict mother, using marijuana while she is pregnant?  

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

So, from the very choice words from your own individual stance, you have zero counter arguments for the below? You don't acknowledge an understanding of.
I'm pro unborn baby, whose mother didn't use marijuana while the mother was pregnant? That you know of.
I'm also pro sober family. That you know of.
Pro kids, pro children, and pro family, whose marijuana addict parent, or parents, aren't abusing the air inside of their homes, with their marijuana addiction. Make an impact then invent a air scriber for the children and sell it at a affordable price. The Idea of air quality is not based on abuse by legal precedent.
Or the mother, isn't polluting a babies nutrients, while carrying a baby, while indulging in medicinal marijuana, or recreational marijuana. You face a much bigger problem here other then legal malpractice. Woman are seeking a state of diplomatic immunity when it comes to children, abortion and their international border.
John: Where are your real life arguments at John, to counter the above arguments at? At the moment I'm working the United State constitutional Ex post facto law violation issue.

John: What is your position on a marijuana addict mother, using marijuana while she is pregnant? I hope she consults a doctor for  general health check ups, breathing and oxygen flow are important for a child's development, yet aroma therapy is very therapeutic and consuming marijuana if purchased is not a law. There is balances of useful in idea and harmful idea in some use maybe not every one is as incompetent as you need them to be to support a malpractice of this magnitude.

John_C_87

I'm sorry my auto correct changed the Word Air Scrubber to air scriber I will bring this to your attention as you confuse easily. 

TKDB

@John_C_87

Youre playing public mindgames, with the public at large John.

You're self representing yourself, with your own odd arguments.

Evidence of your public mindgames:

So, from the very choice words from your own individual stance, you have zero counter arguments for the below?

"You don't acknowledge an understanding of."

I'm pro unborn baby, whose mother didn't use marijuana while the mother was pregnant? 

"That you know of."

And that's as far as I'm going with your self serving nonsense.

Go to the NORML website, and hire one of their attorneys to help you with your arguments.

John_C_87

@TKDB ;

So how do you prove some-one never did something when exposure as a pollutant is not always caused by ones own action? In a air pollutant sense or even in a exposure to a pollutant there is a level of uncertainty. The idea translated by your legislation does not deal with and may even be to hide the idea of pollution exposure as a basic principle. I am making a address to the United state found in constitution between basic principle and legal precedent in relationship to the long term understanding of Drug War.

TKDB

@John_C_87

The marijuana addict parent, or parents are in a sense the "marijuana soldiers" waging a war against their own kids, children, and families with their marijuana abuse.

The marijuana addicts chose their drug, over their own families, is this not the war that you mean?

It's a war on the family, it's a war on the unborn babies, being carried by a marijuana addict mother?

And it's a war on the public, and it's legalized family abuse, made possible by the legalization of marijuana, for the pursuit of money called taxation and revenue?

Because, apparently profit is maybe more important than family is?

That must be, TRUE, because none of the pro marijuana supporters, has as of yet, to say a single word, against that profit over family fact? 

I've yet to see one liberal news anchor ask a pro marijuana industry individual, that very question? 

It's created a war on the unborn babies, the toddlers, kids, children, and families, because the marijuana addict, or addicts, is making the war possible, because the marijuana addicts are choosing marijuana over their own families.