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Hey father
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By maxxmaxx 85 Pts
in the absence of a god, do you believe that there should be one?



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  • I assume you mean a theistic god? Then no... Why bother ourselves with a celestial dictator?
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 670 Pts
    edited August 16
    double-post...
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • AlofRIAlofRI 267 Pts
    Without one we'd have to find some new phrases in place of:  Oh MY God, or good GOD, or God save the King plus a few others I won't go into here…….. many of us would be tongue tied!
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    Why not@Plaffelvohfen
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    for instance, how is (if he were real} his laws according to the ones he has in the bible, any different than what America has? pretty much the same huh?  and we have more laws, so by your logic, then America is a dictatorship.@Plaffelvohfen
  • @maxx

    I can always move out of America, I can also escape the regime by killing myself whereas with a theistic god, even death is not an escape... Who wants to willfully submit themselves into slavery?? 
    John_C_87
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    who wants to?  we do it every day. at least if there was a god the final outcome is immortality.  tell me, what laws of his make humans a slave?
    @Plaffelvohfen
    John_C_87Plaffelvohfen
  • DeeDee 704 Pts
    You ask ......in the absence of a god, do you believe that there should be one

    My reply ..... For what purpose would one require a god? It’s totally unnecessary  
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    edited August 18
    why is it unnecessary?if there were a god and if everyone knew it, then would that not curtail most crimes? you may as well say we do not need laws at all; they are not necessary. if we had a god, dont you believe he would do a better job than most governments in keeping peace just due to the threat of eternal damnation?
    @Dee
  • DeeDee 704 Pts
    edited August 19
    @Maxx

    You say .....why is it unnecessary?if there were a god and if everyone knew it, then would that not curtail most crimes?

    my reply .....But most people claim to believe in a god and claim to believes such yet how is this curtailing crime  

    You say ...... you may as well say we do not need laws at all; they are not necessary.

    My reply .....No , I never said that , that’s merely your opinion not mine 

    You say ......if we had a god, dont you believe he would do a better job than most governments in keeping peace just due to the threat of eternal damnation?

    My reply ......I don’t believe that , eternal damnation has not stopped the religious carrying out and continuing to carry out atrocities has it?
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    Sorry for the delay. I have a life outside of this site. Most atrocities And wars are committed between different religions. I am not an atheist I am one who doesn’t know.  I can’t agree with a personal God of the Bible. If there is a God then he exists in a much higher plane but no one most people believe in. However unlike you if a Christian God certainly shows up I can except him .You on the other hand could not because you do not like to be proven wrong. You would simply go to hell in spite of yourself@Dee
  • DeeDee 704 Pts
    @maxx


     You say .......However unlike you if a Christian God certainly shows up I can except him

    My reply ......Yes unlike you I do not expect supernatural entities to show up but hey that’s just me 

    You say ..... on the other hand could not because you do not like to be proven wrong.

    My reply ......So I should believe just in case I’m wrong ......right got ya .....thanks for the heads up 

     You say ......You would simply go to hell in spite of yourself

    My reply .....Right , so I should pretend to believe to avoid Hell .....oooookay 
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    It’s obvious you can’t debate a hypothetical idea@Dee
  • DeeDee 704 Pts
    @maxx


    You say ......It’s obvious you can’t debate a hypothetical idea

    My reply .....It’s obvious you don’t like different opinions to your own regarding hypothetical scenarios , maybe this is something you need to ask yourself as in why do you dislike different opinions to yours? 
  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    You said in a mocking way that perhaps you should pretend. I asked you to assume for the sake of the debate. If god were real then what laws of his do you not like?@Dee
  • DeeDee 704 Pts
    edited August 19


    @Maxx

    You say ......You said in a mocking way that perhaps you should pretend.

    My reply ......Yes I did say that because you made a sarcastic remark regards my position 

    You say .......I asked you to assume for the sake of the debate. If god were real then what laws of his do you not like

    My reply .....The Christian god I presume is the one you’re talking about , I don’t like his laws and rules regarding slavery where god tells how one can purchase , sell and beat slaves as they are your property to do as you like with.


  • maxxmaxx 85 Pts
    And how many laws of the US government do you dislike? @Dee
  • DeeDee 704 Pts
    @maxx

    You ask ......
    And how many laws of the US government do you dislike

    My reply .....I’m not familiar with U S Law , but what I do know regrade  American Law is the right to carry a gun has led to huge problems and I don’t think it makes for good Law 

  • maxx said:
     at least if there was a god the final outcome is immortality.
    @Plaffelvohfen

    I absolutely don't want immortality, eternal conscious existence would be the worst possible fate in my opinion... Someone actually wishing for eternal life doesn't understand what he's getting into... I will always chose oblivion and non-existence over eternal life...
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
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