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Abortion is wrong
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Actually,i think it can be easily proven that abortion is wrong. First of all,the majority of women who have aborted a child suffer from mental health issues as a result of that abortion. It creates a collosal chemical imbalance in her and ruins her mental and as a result physical health. Secondly, legalizing abortion means encouraging people to be careless and get into a situation such as having an unwanted child. Someone who is a grown-up and knows how to control and respect himself will never end up in a situation like that. Thirdly,sex is not a necessary human need like eating or drinking water. Many genious people have actually lived their lives without it and managed fine like Nikola Tesla for example. So, it is a matter of human lust and carelessness when an unwanted pregnancy occurs. And finally, killing a living human organism that has not yet fully formed is still murder. That child has been denied life,a chance to debate like us,a chance to experience having a family,job,love. It is killed,it will never feel anything ever.
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  • For clarity, do you believe abortion is always wrong, or do you support exceptions of any kind?
  • I believe it is always wrong and no exceptions can be made. We ultimately do not have the right to deny life to that child.
    hsingh1234jesusisGod777RichardCarter2021
  • DeeDee 703 Pts
    edited August 24
    A fetus resides in a woman’s body by permission this permission may be withdrawn at her will , to deny her this right is tyranny.

    People who deny women the right to choice are granting the unborn an implied right over a citizens rights to bodily autonomy.

    To ban abortion is immoral and ridiculous because a woman intent on having an abortion will have one either way putting her at extreme risk by using unqualified people to carry out such.

    People who want abortion banned are basically saying they agree with governments telling women what they should do with their bodies by forcing women to give birth to the unwanted , banning abortion increases crime rates significantly this has been proven to be the case in the U S by studies which have verified the claims.

    Your statement about mental health issues is dubious to say the least , do you ever look into the reasons why women abort?

    Regards your objection to killing a living organism does your objection extend to animals? If not why not?

    You wish to force women to give birth to an unwanted and you claim to do otherwise is murder therefore to be consistent a child murderer in most societies is given the severest of sentences so apart from the mental torture of forcing a woman to give birth , do you believe she should also get 20 to 30 years in jail if she aborts if not why not?
    sknightaPlaffelvohfenBrainSockshsingh1234jesusisGod777
  • @MartinGocic what about if the child is a product of rape? what if the rapist was a family member? me being a girl i belive we have the right to choose what happens to are bodies. aboortions are bad yes, BUT there are so many children out there without families. so having a baby you know you re gonna have to get rid of is not right...
    jesusisGod777
  • Abortion is wrong. It's obvious.

    Scientific evaluation.

    1. Pregnancy, is naturally suppose to last until birth.

     2. As a result,  pregnancy, lasting until birth, is only what is considered natural.

    3. the psychological traits of a women are naturally associated with her pregnancy, where a women accounts for her pregnancy to be 

    3a. Natural

    3.Since reproduction is related to the psychological conditions of a women who expieriences pregnancy, the natural state of a women's mind accounts for her pregnancy to be seen as natural.

    Anyone who does not consider pregnancy to naturally last until birth is charecterized by an unnatural psychological trait.

    3.The natural psychological condition of a pregnant women or a women before pregnancy ,accounts for the natural aspects of what pregnancy is suppose to result in, child birth.

    4. Pregnancy, is associated with the natural purpose of reproduction.

    Therefore ,the psychological effect of pregnancy ,expierienced does not effect it's natural purpouse, as natural, based on the natural reproductive nature of a women.

    Therefore,
    1.  reproduction and the psychological association of how it effects a women determines a women should not be naturally effected by any psychological consideration that her pregnancy is seen as anything but natural with the intention of having a child.

    2. This determines, that the psychological charecteristics of a female account for the natural aspects of becoming pregnant and being a mother.

    Any mental state that evaluates pregnancy to be unnatural or unwanted does not charecterized pregnancy but the mental state of condition of a person who becomes pregnant.

    Scientific consideration 2.

    Considering that evolutionists suggest that life and a person is ultimately defined as an organism 

    1. Any secular notion of a fetus then falls under such a category as a person.

    A person is defined as an individual

    Individuality determines individual rights and the right to life applies in the context of each and every person.

    Most of the uneducated people here don't realize that a person can't be born "alive", they have to be alive to be born alive.

    Jesus is Lord and those who take the life of children are going to be seveeeeeeeerely punished. They are only adding to a roster of punishments.
    PlaffelvohfenSkepticalOneZombieguy1987hsingh1234
  • You're arguing, that the unnatural psychological effects of a person,charecterized by murderous intent ( A DSM-IV and DSM-V mental disorder) to deliberately kill a person, animal, or anything that is alive   plefor Isthe sake of pleasure is
    the cause of abortion.


    If you read the DSM-IV, someone who is violent takes pleasure from murder.

    Many DSM-5 psychiatric disorders are found to be significantly associated with violence typology, including alcohol use disorder, tobacco use disorder, cannabis and other drug use disorder, mood disorders, posttraumatic stress disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, and borderline personality disorder.

    Violent behavior is defined by suicide attempts; recurrent suicidal behavior; gestures, threats, or self-mutilating behavior (self-directed); and multiple items of violence toward others (other-directed) in 4 categories: none, self-directed only, other-directed only, and combined self-other-directed.

    What that means is anyone who views abortion as normal has more than a potential to:

    1. Hurt themselves and others because of their view and desire to act violently.

    Homicidal ideation is a common medical term for thoughts about homicide. There is a range of homicidal thoughts which spans from vague ideas of revenge to detailed and fully formulated plans without the act itself.

    When a disorder is externalized is is the result of psychological conditions.

    Elain witfield states:

    "To deliberately kill someone requires crossing a profound boundary."

    So to deliberately kill anything has the same context as killing someone.

    The desire to kill is charecterized by murderous intent.

    People who have abortions are murderers.

    Jesus is Lord.
  • Remember in the Bible how it says people who are passed self-mutilate and harm others.

    Women who have abortions most likely are.

    Jesus is Lord.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • The argument of forcing someone not to murder someone is inane.


  • Jesus is Lord.
    PlaffelvohfenBrainSocksDr_Maybe
  • MartinGocicMartinGocic 52 Pts
    edited August 25
    @Dee
    Well of course the woman has the right to do what she wants with her body,If a couple does not want to have childreen,then they have the right to either not have sexual intercourse or make sure that the unwanted pregnancy does not happen.
    Now,the unborn child is not just a part of the womans body. It is a living organism in the making. So it is entitled to not be sentenced to death.
    In regards to rape, i am still against abortion in any circumstance. The child is again, just an innocent being.
    However, when it comes to abortion both the father and the mother of the child have done wrong. I would say that the father is even more responsible since men are supposed to be a positive influence and a strong positive figure in a womans life. Hence if a woman would be charged 20 years for abortion,the man responsible would also bare consequences. If it is as a result of rape,it should be worse for him naturally.
    BrainSocks
  • @MartinGocic I think that banning abortion might not bring about the desired effect(people being completely responsible about having sex) considering the fact that murdering cannot be completely prevented by laws.
  • @대왕광개토
    Of course,but it would still have an effect. It is true that laws cannot control peoples behaviour completely,but the situation would still be better.
  • @MartinGocic I think abortion should be at least allowed in case of rape.
    jesusisGod777
  • @대왕광개토
    Once you allow the line to be pushed,it may be seen as weak and people will try to push it even further. If we let up then everyone can try to create new reasons to unban it. Lines do have to be drawn and kept solid in order to succeed. That is why i said that exceptions should not be made even in the worst possible cases
  • @MartinGocic I think abortion should be at least allowed in case of rape.
    The idea of creating a Untied state in constitutional principle is to allow woman the choice to create all woman as equal. Don't fight the basic, be the basic principle, it never sound as smart but is basicly the whole point. America does not need a law that unites a state of crime by admission. It is quite literally the smartest dumb thing ever. Not necessary, not necessary, unnecessary…...Pregnancy abortion the other female specific abortion, the one that is only a crime admitted or accused.

    1. Rape, sexual assault is sometimes also attempted murder ,or murder. 
    2. Pregnancy abortion is an admission that describes murder so allowing it to become a process past verbal idea is also a crime. By self-incrimination.
    3. Female specific amputation is not pregnancy abortion and unlike abortion does not unite all people and woman without the use of admission and self-incrimination to a felony crime.
    4. Abolishing the use of pregnancy abortion from legislation of United State Constitutional law does nothing but remove a united state created by self-incrimination. Crime. The way accusations of crime should be removed in trial, one at a time.
    jesusisGod777
  • DeeDee 703 Pts
    @MartinGocic

    Thats your opinion and I disagree the reason women have abortions are many , again the fetus is there by consent which may be withdrawn at any time.

    Would you prefer a woman had a back street abortion as they’re going to get one either way? 

    Also banning abortion results in significant rises in crime rates it’s been proven is this preferable? 

    I asked about killing animals and you ignored my question why is ok to kill an animal with more intelligence than a fetus?

    Do you want to give your government the power to dictate to women what they must do with their bodies
    John_C_87jesusisGod777
  • @Dee
    Well in regards to killing animals, it is unfortunately a necessary evil since humans are meat eaters mostly, but killing them in inhumane ways which happens a lot needs to be banned. But i would be against killing animals completely. I am not imformed enough whether humans could survive on milk and eggs and other vegetarian foods,but if they could then i would be against killing animals too.
    John_C_87BrainSocks
  • @Dee ;
    A woman does not have a pregnancy abortion with a medical doctor, or surgeon she admits to perform what could be call incorrectly a abortion.  Woman as a united state have female specific amputations, woman have pregnancy abortions only when not having sexual intercourse during the process of ovulation.
    MartinGocicDeejesusisGod777
  • @MartinGocic I will give you a historic evidence that shows horrible effects of banning abortion. In 1966, Romania banned abortion and contraception to boost its population. Wealthy women bribed doctors to perform abortions and smuggled contraceptive from Germany. Women who could not afford to do these things carried out unsafe abortions and as a result, 10000 women died from unsafe abortions by 1989. In addition, 170000 children becamr orphans as a result of banning abortions. 
    BrainSocks
  • @대왕광개토
    That is the moral failure of the people there at that time,if we go by that logic,then we could say that we should legalize drugs,euthanasia,weapons,prostitution
    and many other things since people would find a way to do it. By that logic you could say that people will steal and commit other crimes,so you should let them do it. I think that lines do have to exist. People who are careless and selfish will always find a way to do what they want,but it is their problem.
    John_C_87BrainSocks
  • @MartinGocic But you cannot generalize that all women who want to get abortion are careless. I know that abortion can make people careless but some exceptions(saving mother's life, rape, financial crisis) should be made. If we make no exception at all, then in some cases, we are justified in denying mother's right to life.
    MartinGocicBrainSocks
  • The basic principle of pregnancy abortion does not apply to a medical Female specific amputation there is no self-incrimination. A united State of officially stopping pregnancy by woman exists before the living egg is fertile, by use of sex. This includes masturbation for artificial insemination as masturbation is still a form of sex. The process of officially stopping pregnancy still will causes death by negligence as a united state.

    This means in all cases a woman ovulating can be connected to death by taking part in sex or by not taking part in sex with an understanding of negligence. The failure of people is in the intelligence to prove a lie is in fact a lie. When a 2nd party is directly involved with an end of ovulation there is no pregnancy abortion. The presumption of innocence presents pregnancy abortion as a woman allowing the all child by united state of egg to die by her criminal negligence. All woman are created equal by their creator in this matter.

    It is also why an understanding of basic principle is important in describing whole truth. All woman are created equal by their creator by also presenting a title Presadera. A united state of basic principle there is no wrong doing used to place woman in a filed grievance to be measured by the weight of lie under oath.

    PlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
  • The prevention of legislation in Pregnancy abortion was not ever in fact a religious intolerance, the action of resistance was by fact legal intolerance. It is a crime that is not described by the self-incrimination created as united state. All woman are directed to take part in a self-incriminating admission by use of law.

    It was not the only way. Female specific amputation does not united a state of self-incrimination to be shared publicly. The moral failure is epic and is not contained by basic principle in constitutional application.


    jesusisGod777
  • @MartinGocic I will give you a historic evidence that shows horrible effects of banning abortion. In 1966, Romania banned abortion and contraception to boost its population. Wealthy women bribed doctors to perform abortions and smuggled contraceptive from Germany. Women who could not afford to do these things carried out unsafe abortions and as a result, 10000 women died from unsafe abortions by 1989. In addition, 170000 children becamr orphans as a result of banning abortions. 

    The enforcement of law is that any evidence provided does not justify a united state of self-incrimination for all woman globally. All woman do not have a balanced control over the prevention of death to a baby, we know this as fact as all babies die as egg during ovulation by united state with woman. Unless and only when ovulation is aborted.



    jesusisGod777
  • No, abortion is not inherently wrong... One can indeed perceive it as such but that's an opinion not a matter of fact... 
    MartinGocicSkepticalOnejesusisGod777
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 104 Pts
    edited August 26
    @MartinGocic


    1. Women may have a chemical imbalance after an aborted pregnancy, but this is not a permanent condition nor is it something that necessarily causes "mental issues" in the absence of religious pressures and/or indoctrination. Regardless, even if abortion caused mental illness, we don't  generally legislate on the effects something a person does to themselves unless it can cause harm to other people ...except for where religiously motivated legislators have made ridiculously ignorant abortion laws.

    2. Legalized abortion has been shown to reduce the need for abortion. Clinics which provide abortion services also provide access to birth control for women who would not use or necessarily be aware of the benefits of it otherwise.

    3. We are a sexual species. Without it, our species would not survive. An individual (whether they be a genius or not) forgoing sex does not in any way change this fact.

    4. A living human organism is singular.  A woman is singular...a pregnant woman is singular. Removing part of her body is not murder since she still exists and is alive after termination of pregnancy. It is difficult to argue an unborn being (which is literally attached to a woman) is an individual worthy of rights or has rights above and beyond the person in which it resides.
    PlaffelvohfenMartinGocic대왕광개토jesusisGod777
  • MartinGocicMartinGocic 52 Pts
    edited August 26
    @SkepticalOne
    If you would look at this world in an atheist sort of animal planet world where everything is about survival,other than a theist one then you could argue all that. But the Creator is present,so is his energy and his laws which can be felt are true and existent. Thus, your statements are doing a disservice in that regard. 
    PlaffelvohfenSkepticalOne대왕광개토DeejesusisGod777
  • @MartinGocic
    But the Creator is present
    That is a very contentious claim at best... That is nothing but an opinion, a valid opinion if you're a deist, but nonetheless just an opinion and we cannot base our laws on opinions... 
    MartinGocic대왕광개토VaulkjesusisGod777
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • Abortion need not be a matter of atheism v theism (as if this were possible - atheism isn't  a worldview like theism). The rebuttal to point 2 demonstrates this. If reducing abortion is the goal, then banning abortion is not the way to go. Studies show countries with the most restrictive abortion laws have higher abortion rates than those with less restrictive laws. [LINK] As such, a theistic perspective informed by facts can accept legal abortion as preferable.

    Overall, the theism v atheism argument is a distraction and the arguments made in the OP have been dropped. 
    PlaffelvohfenMartinGocicjesusisGod777
  • @Plaffelvohfen
    It is not an opinion,it is truth
    대왕광개토PlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
  • VaulkVaulk 639 Pts
    I think the majority of the issue with abortion is this:

    The vast majority of Women who claim to need access to abortion services are irresponsible women who made a conscientious decision to have sex (Which is still the number one, best way to get pregnant for the past couple thousand years) and don't want to live out the natural repercussions of their irresponsible decisions.

    Meanwhile, these irresponsible Women are parading behind the 1-2% of Women who are legitimately raped and become pregnant as a result of it.  This is disingenuous, deceitful, and overall disgusting.  I don't think the absolute tiniest fraction of women (Those who are raped and become pregnant) should have to carry a baby to term.  The rest of the Women who just don't want to deal with the natural results of their actions...that's pretty much BS.  

    When Men cry about child support, all you hear is "Too bad, shouldn't have stuck your D&%$ in that, if you can be a Man and have sex then you can be a Man and take care of that Baby"!  But when Women cry about not wanting to be a Mom...it's "Well we can just cut that sucker right outta there for you and you don't have to be responsible for your actions sweetheart".  

    There's nothing that makes sense about this.
    MartinGocicPlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • @MartinGocic Prove that your statement is correct
    jesusisGod777
  • @Plaffelvohfen
    It is not an opinion,it is truth
    Please demonstrate... 
    대왕광개토Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 104 Pts
    edited August 27
    Vaulk said:
    The vast majority of Women who claim to need access to abortion services are irresponsible women.
    That's quite the claim. I wonder how that might be established as true? Could it be that some women are ignorant of how their reproductive cycle works (which would be a failing of our education system or of their parents for disallowing such education), they have no access to effective and inexpensive birth control, their BC fails, or they use poor methods of BC such as the rhythm, withdrawal..or celibacy?  Certainly, responsible people can easily have unintended pregnancies.

    For the sake of argument, let's say a majority of women with unwanted pregnancies are merely irresponsible. It makes little sense to force irresponsible people to be responsible for others. (Imagine if doctors or teachers were found that way!) This is a course of action that will undoubtedly create an undue burden on society through higher crime rates, higher strain on social programs, and...more unwanted pregnancies. It's a vicious cycle. 

    Child support occurs after birth and requires no room and board of a man's body- it is a separate and completely different issue. 

    All this being said, there was no reason submitted as to why abortion is wrong - only an simplistic opinion that most women who want abortions are not good, responsible, and/or honest people. The proposition has been left unsupported.
    대왕광개토PlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
  • DeeDee 703 Pts
    @MartinGocic

    Well in regards to killing animals, it is unfortunately a necessary evil since humans are meat eaters mostly, 

    A necessary evil? Interesting choice of language. Millions of humans live without meat quiet happily and healthily. Abortions are quick and painless so would you not be for them them also as they could be deemed a necessary evil also.

    Do you hold the life of a fetus to be of equal value to an animal and if not why not .

    Also you never answered if abortion is banned crime rates rise is that a “necessary evil “

    MartinGocic
  • @Dee

    Killing animals for food and comparing abortion which serves no purpouse other than to kill is a stupid argument.

    For your argument to even suggest such a fallacy you would state killing a fetus is effectively murder.

    It's not right to kill an animal for any reason outside sustinence and in no way is related to abortion.

    I'm sending you a thousand tons of sand. Pound it into glass and look at the reflection you see in it afterward. You should see moron written on your tongue.


    MartinGocicPlaffelvohfenDee
  • @Vaulk
    That is why the United States is collapsing and countries like Russia are prospering. American culture of false victimhood can never to compare to Russian culture of sacrifice. 
    PlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
  • @Dee
    I would suggest you watch Daisy Cousens or Sydney Watson on youtube. They will explain everything to you.
    Also,i would suggest you stop watching CNN and start watching Russia Today.
  • VaulkVaulk 639 Pts
    edited August 27
    Vaulk said:
    The vast majority of Women who claim to need access to abortion services are irresponsible women.
    That's quite the claim. I wonder how that might be established as true? Could it be that some women are ignorant of how their reproductive cycle works (which would be a failing of our education system or of their parents for disallowing such education), they have no access to effective and inexpensive birth control, their BC fails, or they use poor methods of BC such as the rhythm, withdrawal..or celibacy?  Certainly, responsible people can easily have unintended pregnancies.

    For the sake of argument, let's say a majority of women with unwanted pregnancies are merely irresponsible. It makes little sense to force irresponsible people to be responsible for others. (Imagine if doctors or teachers were found that way!) This is a course of action that will undoubtedly create an undue burden on society through higher crime rates, higher strain on social programs, and...more unwanted pregnancies. It's a vicious cycle. 

    Child support occurs after birth and requires no room and board of a man's body- it is a separate and completely different issue. 

    All this being said, there was no reason submitted as to why abortion is wrong - only an simplistic opinion that most women who want abortions are not good, responsible, and/or honest people. The proposition has been left unsupported.
    Agreed, it's a large claim.  In this case though, it's backed up with big evidence.  Approximately 1% of the abortions conducted in the United States each year are reported as necessary because of rape or incestuous relationships.  The total amount of abortions each year varies from year to year, but 2015 is the latest available report as it takes several years to compile the information.  The numbers are in at 638,169.  The reason I claim that the vast majority of Women claiming the need for access to abortion services are irresponsible is because of the fact that their "Mistaken" sexual reproduction requires that a medical professional kills something within their body to correct it.  Setting aside rape, incest and underage issues, (1%), by the process of logical deduction, we can accurately deduce that the rest of abortions conducted in the U.S. are a result of a completely and totally preventable and avoidable accident. 

    When you think of the absolute complexity of sexual intercourse in relationship to all other natural functions of the body...it's virtually impossible to excuse yourself from pregnancy as if it's just something that happens sometimes.  Partnered dancing, carrying, physical combat, kissing, holding hands, heavy petting, defecation, urination...these are all natural bodily functions.  Sexual intercourse is infinitely more complex than all other functions combined and requires a level of comfort and trust that surpasses all others.  So to sit in judgement of "Accidentally getting pregnant" I can find no excuse for it, it is entirely the fault of BOTH parties that willingly engaged in the act.  It's only been the best way to get pregnant for a few thousand years now.

    To answer your question regarding the possibility of ignorance making the case for "Some" women.  Yes, it is very possible that "Some" Women in the United States are ignorant of sexual reproduction.  In the age of technology and communication when education for literally everything is more readily available than it EVER has been in the entire history of the Earth and being located in the most information liberated Country on the planet...yes, I suppose some Women could just be ignorant.  At this point I'd have to point out that being ignorant doesn't negate responsibility for one's own body and sexual reproduction.  So however many of these Women you suggested might be ignorant, they're in the basket with the rest of the irresponsible ones.

    In regards to your statement that "It makes little sense to force irresponsible people to be responsible for others".  If that's even remotely true then why do we force the Mothers who do give birth (While still irresponsible) to be responsible for their Children?  Your argument against forcing irresponsible people to be responsible for others is just as much an argument for taking Children away from their Parents as it is an argument against forcing Women to forgo abortions.

    "Child support occurs after birth and requires no room and board of a man's body- it is a separate and completely different issue".  

    So if I understand you correctly, what you're suggesting is that Men don't experience any Physical repercussions as a result of pregnancy and therefor Men cannot be compared to Women when it comes to whether or not either want to be a Parent AFTER they've both willingly engaged in sexual reproduction?

    So, the comparison I made was that Women seek abortions because they don't want to be a Parent.  Whatever underlying justification they have is irrelevant, the end-state is "I don't want to be a Parent".  Likewise, I stated that when Men develop the ideology that "I don't want to be a parent" they're told that it's just too bad.  While I can agree that women suffer the brunt of the physical hardship up front during pregnancy (9 months), it has historically been Men who physically put up the brunt of the physical hardship over a longer period (14-18 years) depending on what time period you'd like to reference.  This is the primary reason that Men generally die younger than Women.  As late as 1950 the workforce representation between Men and Women was as skewed as much as +80% to +30%.  Simply put, if Men don't get a choice in responsibility when they get a girl pregnant, Women shouldn't be allowed to have one either because they are BOTH physically affected by the outcome.

    Lastly, I admit I did a horrible job at supporting my proposition and so I'll clarify here.  In the support and fight for access to abortions as a right for Women, if the vast majority of your advocates have to stand ON TOP OF the absolute most negligible minority of your advocates in order to justify having access to abortions...then the majority of abortion advocates not only don't need it, they don't deserve it and it's likely wrong.  Name me one other issue in the history of the United States that only affected 1% of the population and, as a result, laws were established for the remaining 99%.  It's morally decrepit and vile to use "But what about those that are raped and incest" as justification for abortions for the masses of everyone who can't be adults about their reproduction. 


    Plaffelvohfen
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • I'm going to copy this from where I posted it somewhere else.
    (With exceptions for medical abortions)
    People seem to provide many standards as to why abortion is right, Often sighting incidents such as rape and incest (which consist of less than 1% of abortions), However, It seems to me people have ignored the simple moral fact. No matter when you deem life viable, A fetus will still become life.

    Now, Let's state a conclusion often made; the fetus is alive once it gains a heartbeat.

    So- with a conclusion like this, We can say a fetus that currently has no heartbeat will be alive shortly- in a few weeks. Now, What gives the mother the right to prevent this life from happening? The fetus is already, At the very least, In the process of becoming alive. So "prevent" is not quite the right word- as the fetus is being "prevented" from a process it is already taking part in.

    And, If we were to ignore the life of the fetus, It seems many people miss the fact that abortion isn't doing society any good. It isn't preventing unwanted pregnancies as birth control does, Or helping women to deal with the financial and emotional struggles of such pregnancies. Rather, Abortion is terminating these pregnancies. To make abortion illegal would force people to recognize this problem from a different, Healthier angle. To understand this, Let us look at the reasons for abortions.

    25% say they don't feel old/mature enough to raise a child.
    Well, Without abortion, How could we solve this issue? What if instead of abortions, Planned Parenthood provided counseling for these women, Helping them develop the necessary maturity. However, The majority of abortions happen from 20-34 years (20-24 at 31. 1%, 25-29 at 27. 6%, And 30-34 at 17. 7%). For the people having abortions at younger ages, Why not instead provide our youngest with proper sex ed and knowledge of birth control methods? Consider also adoption as an option- women need not keep the child if they truly are not ready.

    23% of women state that they are not ready for another child as the reason as their reason for getting an abortion. Again, Abortion is not the best solution for this. Providing counseling could give these mothers a child-ready mindset. Birth control can be used to prevent this unwanted child. Adoption can be used as a child-friendly alternative to abortion.

    19% say they can't afford a baby. Let us ask ourselves this; Why are we allowing these women to kill these babies, Instead of providing them financial aid as they may need it? The mothers of our country deserve better treatment- they raise our future. To solve this issue would be harder, But with enough hard work and a few charities, It's possible to help the financially struggling mothers. Again, I go back to adoption and birth control for those who are unable to afford children. Safe sex can prevent many unwanted pregnancies.

    Now, We get to smaller percentages.
    8% of women say they have completed childbearing/ others depend on them. Again, I resort to birth control and adoption. If you don't want to have children, Don't have unsafe sex.

    7% have abortions due to health issues of mother or fetus- now this makes sense! A mother should not die or be seriously injured for a child not yet born.

    Less than 0. 5% of abortions are from women who are victims of rape. Now, This is a very hard thing for a woman to endure, But abortion isn't the best solution. Rather, Let us provide women with the care they need to mentally handle a child. Remember adoption as an option. Instead of focusing on abortion, Focus on preventing rape. In certain cases, Where the woman is not mentally stable enough to have a child, I believe this should be considered a medical abortion, But this is not the reason most abortions take place.

    Nonetheless, Abortions are a mass murder of future generations. People who now never will exist. Not only is abortion immoral, But it's not even the best option. Having abortion be legal will not help women and their rights, But instead, Kill their children and leave them blind to what could have been done better.

    Sources for statistics; https://journaltimes. Com/news/national/who-are-the-in-american-women-who-choose-abortion/article_3263bd1b-70a9-5efe-91bc-eed1c68c4296. Html
    https://abort73. Com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
  • Actually,i think it can be easily proven that abortion is wrong. First of all,the majority of women who have aborted a child suffer from mental health issues as a result of that abortion. It creates a collosal chemical imbalance in her and ruins her mental and as a result physical health. Secondly, legalizing abortion means encouraging people to be careless and get into a situation such as having an unwanted child. Someone who is a grown-up and knows how to control and respect himself will never end up in a situation like that. Thirdly,sex is not a necessary human need like eating or drinking water. Many genious people have actually lived their lives without it and managed fine like Nikola Tesla for example. So, it is a matter of human lust and carelessness when an unwanted pregnancy occurs. And finally, killing a living human organism that has not yet fully formed is still murder. That child has been denied life,a chance to debate like us,a chance to experience having a family,job,love. It is killed,it will never feel anything ever.

    First pregnancy abortion as a united state with all woman takes place by letting the child die when the egg is not fertilized during ovulation. In basic principle a woman who needs assistance, medical, private, or in any way, stopping a process any time after it has officially started is not the supreme authority. When this action is performed under her own powers, she is then the single authority diplomacy is not involved.

    Second something proven to be performed in a legal way after an accusation has been filed in a court is legal. Pregnancy abortion is a clear statement that can be spoken, abortion is a partial explanation. Female Specific Amputation is a constitutional detail of what has not be established as united state in a court of law. That simple, it is not an attempt to corrupt the jury pool before court is conducted.

    Third, unless we can establish that someone has not masturbated, it is always unclear as to if that person has in truth not had ever sex. How this would be proven itself is illegal The pregnancy abortion argument is inverted when sex can take place without pregnancy as a form of evidence of having happened. You should understand that no-one has lived their life without sex yet. Even test tube babies depended on masturbation as a fact of science. While a child has parents and that child is in some way a product of two people.

    The 1st Amendment describes a form of speech without cost self-value as free. Female specific amputation is the American constitutional translation to Pregnancy abortion. Just as Presadera is a translation on President of a united state created before whole truth and constitution. 


  • @EmilyRouse ;
    (With exceptions for medical abortions)

    Medicine is not a United State Constitutional exception how we participate independent of form effects a union of all when addressing self-incrimination made by woman as a united state. Science fact 101 human life starts at the egg, and ends at the egg. All human life as united state takes place this way, until cloning which is still questionable. While in basic principle by constitution a clone still has parents, the couple's are not restricted to male female, thus by law can be witnessed as Binivir and Unosmulier. Medically the basic principle of parents is awarded too the person in medical staff and cell downer, as the process is well documented the director of the process would be the first to assume the award of parent with downer by legal precedent. Medical evidence by way of records may in fact prove a different outcome of who shares the role of parent with donor.

    Back your role and use basic principle please. Human Life starts with the creation of egg. human life starts with the creation of sperm. Life starts and dies with the egg for all woman as united state. When a woman no longer creates egg she no longer can create life. Basic Principle's are easy to understand. Having to work hard to learn something complex does not make it a truth in United State with all woman. Sorry.

  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 104 Pts
    edited August 27
    @Vaulk

    Again the proposition that 'abortion is wrong' has not been supported. If women (or men) are irresponsible, if the decision to abort is done on nothing more than a whim, or how men feel about this is utterly and completely unimportant if abortion is not wrong.

    In the meantime, let's dive into some of these rabbit holes:

     "The reason I claim that the vast majority of Women claiming the need for access to abortion services are irresponsible is because of the fact that their "Mistaken" sexual reproduction requires that a medical professional kills something within their body to correct it."

    A doctor is often required to kill something alive in a person's body but this in no way means the patient is necessarily irresponsible. Malaria, tapeworms, cancer, botfly larvae, etc., etc, are all examples which would meet this standard, yet thinking the patient irresponsible because of this does not follow. 

     "Setting aside rape, incest and underage issues, (1%), by the process of logical deduction, we can accurately deduce that the rest of abortions conducted in the U.S. are a result of a completely and totally preventable and avoidable accident." 

    It is not valid to set "underage" in the non-preventable and non-accidental category. Underage pregnancy certainly is preventable and can be accidental. Given that this was one of the examples I used to illustrate unwanted pregnancies are not necessarily due to irresponsibility (and not something you cited originally) this a concession of your irresponsibility argument.


    "Your argument against forcing irresponsible people to be responsible for others is just as much an argument for taking Children away from their Parents as it is an argument against forcing Women to forgo abortions."

    I am not assigning irresponsibility to anyone nor am I suggesting we should force irresponsible people to bring a child into the world when they've already admitted they can't. That is simply a reality of your argument. 

    Child support:

    Let's say both child support and pregnancy are forced. What is the greater violation: finances or body? Would you prefer to have your body violated (and irrevocably changed) over an extended period or have your bank account violated over an extended (non-permanent) period? If you really think the second option is an equal or greater violation, then we're just not going to agree. Should there be a discussion on father's right, child support, parental opt-out for men? Sure, but it is not an argument against abortion.



    "Lastly, I admit I did a horrible job at supporting my proposition and so I'll clarify here."

    I'm not here for your proposition, but rather the proposition of this thread which is 'abortion is wrong'.
    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • DeeDee 703 Pts
    @MartinGocic



    I would suggest you watch Daisy Cousens or Sydney Watson on youtube. They will explain everything to you.
    Also,i would suggest you stop watching CNN and start watching Russia Today.

    I never heard of these two people and have no wish to listen to You Tube videos that attempt to explain what you cannot.

    Another suggestion wow! I don’t watch CNN or Russia today , because you cannot defend your nonsense you attempt to accuse me of what your stupidity thinks my viewing preferences are ......Maybe come back when you can actually formulate a thought of your own



  • DeeDee 703 Pts
    edited August 27
    @jesusisGod777
    Killing animals for food and comparing abortion which serves no purpouse other than to kill is a stupid argument.
    Yet people get I done for a purpose are you always this say.....wait don’t answer that 

    For your argument to even suggest such a fallacy you would state killing a fetus is effectively murder.

    What are you babbling about?

    It's not right to kill an animal for any reason outside sustinence and in no way is related to abortion.

    Not right for any reason except one reason , what a stupid statement? So why is it right to kill for meat?


    You say I’m a moron yet you believe Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha 
    PlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 104 Pts
    edited August 28
    [...] it seems to me people have ignored the simple moral fact. No matter when you deem life viable, A fetus will still become life.


    As much as 20% of all known pregnancies end in miscarriage [Link]. That being said, 'a fetus will become [a] life' is not always true and an argument built upon this nonexistent 'moral fact' has no foundation.
    PlaffelvohfenjesusisGod777
  • @John_C_87
    I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. When I say medical abortion I mean an abortion in which the mother and or child will die or be seriously injured without one, such as an ectopic pregnancy.
  • @Dee And many infants will die early in age; this is an atypical fact. To say you can kill a vast majority of babies and deny moral because of a minority of miscarraiges is irrational. Not all of the babies aborted would be miscarried. Very few would. Statistics may say some will, but does that mean you can kill any? Kill the ones who certainly would have survived and lived?
  • DeeDee 703 Pts
    @EmilyRouse

    You’re addressing your argument to the wrong person 
     
  • @Dee Very sorry, I'm used to clicking reply above, but it seems that's not the case here.
    Dee
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