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Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, and Religion in general.
in Religion

By TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

They are Community oriented.

They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well.

So, what is there to develop any negative perceptions, or views towards them?

If an individual, or a group of individuals, goes about using any Religion towards their own benefit, or self gain, then how can any Religion be blamed, because of what those individuals who voluntarily went about hurting innocent people in the process, because they used Religion in a corruptive, or manipulative ways? 

There's never been a Real Life court case, in which God, Jesus, the Bible, or any Religion in general, for the various crimes, that some of Humanity, has committed against others, or themselves, was found guilty along with the criminal, or the offenders, who used Religion in a manipulative, or corruptive way, to hurt innocent people with.

Therefore, Religion in general, is very relevant, current, and as modern, as some of Humanity is, in this current, and ever evolving day and age.

It's a blatant shame that some of the Humanity in general, can't evolve past using Religion in general, as a manipulation, or corruption tool, to hurt others with?

So instead of blaming Religion for this or that situation, why cant the rest of Humanity, be more humane towards others, instead of harming others, for their own self gains?

When some, go about hurting others, that's what being anti Family, anti Community, anti pro Public, and anti Religious Freedom looks like.


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  • There has been a trial over Nazism in Germany upon the end of World War 2. That similar trials have not been conducted over other totalitarian ideologies, such as Socialism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Buddhism, is merely a historical artefact, and not something coming from logic.

    That said, I do not believe in trials over ideologies. Ideologies are, in the end, just abstract ideas; it is the people who act on them. At the same time, some ideologies have been incredibly useful in exerting harsh control over people and conditioning them to become monsters. Christianity, Islam, Nationalism and Socialism are the four main abusers in the history of the last two millennia, and for a good reason: these ideologies completely reject the importance of the individual, and put a heavy focus on collectivist values, shaming every manifestation of individualism. Societies in which these ideologies have been thriving raise fanatics whose world view is completely skewed, and who often go as far as to be willing to sacrifice themselves and their families in the name of some abstract values that have no bearing on humankind.

    Christianity no longer seems relevant nowadays; it has lost its foothold, and aside from small communal culture events, it does not seem to have any bearing on the lives of people. Socialist camp is falling apart as well, albeit there are still a few countries out there that aren't letting go. Nationalism has become very localised and doesn't seem to have any large-scale effects. Islam, however, is still there in force on the Middle East, and from what is happening in such places as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran, we can project what would be happening on the West nowadays had the secular movement never won the ideological war.
    Zombieguy1987
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @MayCaesar

    According to who?

    You?

    You're on the internet, pushing the below as if it's supposed to gain some sort of "traction" because @MayCaesar said so?

    "Christianity no longer seems relevant nowadays; it has lost its foothold, and aside from small communal culture events, it does not seem to have any bearing on the lives of people."

    The below is the reality to your mindset.

    Christianity, and Catholicism, are doing great.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well.


  • @TKDB The problem is, NONE of them can keep their ideals to themselves.

    I agree, the concept of most religions is mostly good. If only they'd  stay out of politics and not try to run the lives of those who don't see things their way. I'm all for religious freedom, as long as no one is hurt. Just like sex, it should be consensual … all the way.

    Society MUST decide the morality of the people, the rules they live by, not one of the many invisible "gods". There are too many and there are too many interpretations of "their" rules, many of which are not based on compassion, just on control. Too many followers would rather fight than accept another's "god" as legitimate …. which has caused millions of deaths for centuries. My way, or the DIE-way has always been the mantra of too many … in most religions.

    Yes, I believe in religious freedom. but, mostly, I believe in choice. I do not choose any of the kind, but deadly, religions.



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  • @TKDB

    20-30 years ago virtually everyone in the US was religious, and attending local church was a regular occurrence even for most atheists, conforming with culture. Every president up until Obama had to regularly go to church in front of cameras, otherwise people would suspect that he is not "their" president.

    Nowadays, among my peers, I can barely find anyone who has been at a church in the last few years. Granted, my social circle mostly includes scientists, programmers and other high-level professionals, but it still speaks volumes of the state of religion in this country. Christianity is losing its ground, and it likely to virtually disappear over the next couple of centuries. Young people no longer resonate with stories about gods and angels, and they prefer to slay gods and angels in video games over attending church sermons and reading ancient books.

    I do not disagree that a lot of churches are doing a lot of good work, and I myself have been a beneficiary of some of them for a while: even not being religious, I was always accepted with smiles and was often offered free food and drinks just for being nice. A lot of amazing people work at churches.

    I do think, however, that over time most churches will turn into regular charity organisations, no longer based on religious values. Religion has little place in the modern world, where we launch rockets into space, build virtual worlds and develop genetic engineering, cybernetics and artificial intelligence.
    There will always be some group of people who prefer to hold on to ancient traditions; if history is any indication, traditions never really die and, at most, fragment into smaller branches. But I do not see these people holding any real amount of power after, say, year 2100.

    It is possible, however, that modern religions will give way to new religions, inspired by the technological developments. People supporting simulation theory and believing in gods from the "real world"; people worshipping intelligent computers; people bowing to imaginary (or even real) aliens... All of that will probably take place; humans are humans, after all. But it will be a very different kind of religions, with very different goals, different symbolism and different rationale.
  • @MayCaesar !

    I see capitalism as a more "totalitarian" entity than socialism. After all, when those at the top of a capitalistic society have most of the money IN that society, they have, or can purchase, all the control they want or need. 

    I don't believe we can afford to allow socialism OR capitalism to have control, but, both have their good parts. You say nationalism has caused no "large scale effects" .... do you mean since Naziism??  You obviously think white nationalism has no "large scale effect"??? 

    Nationalism causes a lack of cooperation between entities … either nations or races … that can be just as deadly as religion, and just as isolationist. THAT is a "large scale effect" that leads to conflict, one way or another.


  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @MayCaesar

    You see things how you perceive things.

    And I see Reality outside of your perception, so good for you, in how you choose to perceive things.

    Because Religion in general, is bigger than how your perception works. 
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @AlofRI

    Show me where Islam, Christianity, or Catholicism, has personally involved themselves in politics, or has tried to personally run your life, because they tried to make you see things, their way?

    Do you have a police report filed, because Religion in general, publicly disturbed your peace? 

    "I agree, the concept of most religions is mostly good. If only they'd  stay out of politics and not try to run the lives of those who don't see things their way. I'm all for religious freedom, as long as no one is hurt. Just like sex, it should be consensual … all the way.

    Society MUST decide the morality of the people, the rules they live by, not one of the many invisible "gods". There are too many and there are too many interpretations of "their" rules, many of which are not based on compassion, just on control. Too many followers would rather fight than accept another's "god" as legitimate …. which has caused millions of deaths for centuries. My way, or the DIE-way has always been the mantra of too many … in most religions.

    Yes, I believe in religious freedom. but, mostly, I believe in choice. I do not choose any of the kind, but deadly, religions."
    AlofRI
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @Dee

    Please stay on topic?
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 2310 Pts
    edited November 16
    @AlofRI

    Socialism may have some good parts, but unfortunately it does not have food, so no one lives long enough to see those parts.

    As for capitalism being totalitarian, well... I agree. When I go to a grocery store, I am faced with so much choice that I literally, like the Buridan's Donkey, get into a stupor and can never choose anything, so people have to feed me by force to prevent malnutrition.
    We cannot allow such a system to exist. We need a bit more starvation and a bit more gulags.
    AlofRI
  • TKDB said:
    @MayCaesar

    You see things how you perceive things.
    Who doesn't see things how they perceive them?

    AlofRI

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 16
    @ZeusAres42

    I see things as they are.

    I don't view life, through the lenses of your "Non Religion glasses," as you apparently choose to do?

    " Who doesn't see things how they perceive them?"
    ZeusAres42
  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    I see things as they are.

    I don't view life, through the lenses of your "Non Religion glasses," as you apparently choose to do?

    " Who doesn't see things how they perceive them?"
    I see things as they are. I don't view life, through the lens of you "anti-humanity glasses," as you apparently choose to do so?
    kakalam777

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 878 Pts
    edited November 17
    TKDB said:
    They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well.


    This also describes many non-religious people too. It's easier to infer that a non-religious person is giving back to the community for their own sake. When a religious person gives back to the community are they all doing it out of empathy, kindness, etc. or are they doing it out of fear of being struck down by God if they don't do this?

    If an individual, or a group of individuals, goes about using any Religion towards their own benefit, or self gain, then how can any Religion be blamed, because of what those individuals who voluntarily went about hurting innocent people in the process, because they used Religion in a corruptive, or manipulative ways?

    A great many violent acts are not done in the name of religion; they are in fact a direct precept of ideological religious beliefs. Thus, these ideologies didn't just develop after reading a few passages in a book one day. They come about via a course of many years of indoctrination. There is no justification for any practices that result in the serious harm or death of others whether they be religious practices or otherwise. Also, the right to religious freedom does not extend to having the right to conflict harm on to other beings.

    There's never been a Real Life court case, in which God, Jesus, the Bible, or any Religion in general, for the various crimes, that some of Humanity, has committed against others, or themselves, was found guilty along with the criminal, or the offenders, who used Religion in a manipulative, or corruptive way, to hurt innocent people with.
    Similarly, there's never been a real-life court case where unicorns were put on trial and found guilty either.

    Therefore, Religion in general, is very relevant, current, and as modern, as some of Humanity is, in this current, and ever evolving day and age.
    Unfortunately, religion isn't really evolving. Some of it is pretty much stagnant, others devolving. At present, the religion that takes their faith the most seriously now out of all the Abrahamic religions is the Islamic religion. This is understandable though since Islam was the last of the three major Abrahamic religions.
    Plaffelvohfenkakalam777

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 17
    @ZeusAres42

    Where is your Courtroom evidence where any Religion was found guilty of any crime, along with the guilty offender, who committed their crimes, in your own country of the United Kingdom? 

    One case @ZeusAres42?

    Because there are ZERO Courtroom case's, that exist in the United States, because I've Googled to get the same evidence, that I'm asking you for? 

    You just appear to be peddling a biased perception?

    "A great many violent acts are not done in the name of religion; they are in fact a direct precept of ideological religious beliefs. Thus, these ideologies didn't just develop after reading a few passages in a book one day. They come about via a course of many years of indoctrination."

    Because your perception talk, is pungent with its own "Non Religion Indoctrination" aroma, isn't it? 


    DeeZeusAres42
  • One does not need to prove alcohol guilty in court to explain why a drunken driver caused a wreck. The Common Law does not put items, ideologies and other inanimate entities on trial, with exception of some specific legal entities such as certain types of companies. People are put on trial, not things.

    At the same time, it would be strange to deny that alcohol may cause a car wreck. Or, in other words, that people can cause a car wreck using alcohol as an unintentional tool.

    Religion is not different. Religion is not to blame for anything itself, yet it certainly has been used as a tool for committing unspeakable crimes millions times over the course of history.

    You do not have to deny the obvious in order to defend religion. You do not need to take any absolutist stances. You can recognise that everything can be abused and misused, and doing so in itself does not necessarily compromise the entity in question.
    On the other hand, denial of historical truths does nothing to support your cause, and, rather, makes your narrative less compelling. One starts wondering what motives your narrative is based on and whether you are after the truth, or after some personal gain.
  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    @TKDB

    I’ve flagged you for Trolling and baiting , you keep bringing up this self same topic in an attempt to goad and troll others 
    ZeusAres42
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @Dee

    I disagree with you.

    And I'm sorry, that you feel that way.


    And I stand by the theme of the forum:

    "Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, and Religion in general.

    They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well."
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 17
    @MayCaesar

    On the Internet, many use the Internet to wage a personal conflict against Religion in general.

    Even if Religion in general, has a, zero influence on your way of life, or not.

    And I believe in Religious Freedom.

    "Religion is not different. Religion is not to blame for anything itself, yet it certainly has been used as a tool for committing unspeakable crimes millions times over the course of history."

    "You do not have to deny the obvious in order to defend religion. You do not need to take any absolutist stances. You can recognise that everything can be abused and misused, and doing so in itself does not necessarily compromise the entity in question."

    "On the other hand, denial of historical truths does nothing to support your cause, and, rather, makes your narrative less compelling. One starts wondering what motives your narrative is based on and whether you are after the truth, or after some personal gain."

    @MayCaesar, and then through your above argument, you remind me about your pro Illegal immigrant, or illegal alien stance, at the same time, through your stated position? 
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    There you go again, copying what gets said to you, and then to watch you use it as an empty argument with?

    My word's:
    I see things as they are.

    I don't view life, through the lenses of your "Non Religion glasses," as you apparently choose to do?


    @ZeusAres42

    Your word's:

    "I see things as they are."

    "I don't view life, through the lens of you "anti-humanity glasses," as you apparently choose to do so?"

    @ZeusAres42 ;

    Defend your argument, with your own original thoughts? 


  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    There you go again, copying what gets said to you, and then to watch you use it as an empty argument with?

    My word's:
    I see things as they are.

    I don't view life, through the lenses of your "Non Religion glasses," as you apparently choose to do?


    @ZeusAres42

    Your word's:

    "I see things as they are."

    "I don't view life, through the lens of you "anti-humanity glasses," as you apparently choose to do so?"

    @ZeusAres42 ;

    Defend your argument, with your own original thoughts? 


    It should actually read 'I don't view life, through the lenses of your "Non-Atheist glasses," as you apparently choose to do?' 

    You're right, this is an empty argument but it's not mine; it's your argument presented back to you as the equivalent opposite version. So, thank you for finally conceding that your argument here is an empty one devoid of any original thoughts.

    As I asked before in another post, have you actually got an argument that cannot be reduced to either Ad Consequentia or Ad Absurdem?


    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    Where is your Courtroom evidence where any Religion was found guilty of any crime, along with the guilty offender, who committed their crimes, in your own country of the United Kingdom? 

    One case @ZeusAres42?

    Because there are ZERO Courtroom case's, that exist in the United States, because I've Googled to get the same evidence, that I'm asking you for? 

    You just appear to be peddling a biased perception?

    "A great many violent acts are not done in the name of religion; they are in fact a direct precept of ideological religious beliefs. Thus, these ideologies didn't just develop after reading a few passages in a book one day. They come about via a course of many years of indoctrination."

    Because your perception talk, is pungent with its own "Non Religion Indoctrination" aroma, isn't it? 


    Have you actually got an argument that addresses what I actually said as opposed to one you just made up, as well as one not based on wild theories about me personally? If not, then I think we're done here!

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    "Have you actually got an argument that addresses what I actually said as opposed to one you just made up, as well as one not based on wild theories about me personally? If not, then I think we're done here!"

    I didn't make anything up dude, I challenged you, with a simple challenge, and you've yet , to come up with a response? 

    "Where is your Courtroom evidence where any Religion was found guilty of any crime, along with the guilty offender, who committed their crimes, in your own country of the United Kingdom?"

    One case @ZeusAres42?

    The below is the theme of the forum @ZeusAres42

    Can you please stay on topic?

    "Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, and Religion in general.

    They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well."



    @ZeusAres42

    How are YOU, done here, when you haven't even tried to come up with a "Non Religion" counter argument yet? 
    ZeusAres42
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 17
    @ZeusAres42

    More of the same?

    "It should actually read 'I don't view life, through the lenses of your "Non-Atheist glasses," as you apparently choose to do?' 

    You're right, this is an empty argument but it's not mine; it's your argument presented back to you as the equivalent opposite version. So, thank you for finally conceding that your argument here is an empty one devoid of any original thoughts.

    As I asked before in another post, have you actually got an argument that cannot be reduced to either Ad Consequentia or Ad Absurdem?"



    @ZeusAres42

    You're doing a fine job in educating me through the lens of your apparent Non Religion views. 

    And fyi, I'm pro Atheist, pro Theist, and pro Religious Freedom.

    While at the same time being against those sad individuals, who had nothing better to do with their own lives, but to take whatever Religion, and then chose to corrupt it, or manipulate it, for their own sad gains, or benefits, and killed innocent people in the process.
    ZeusAres42
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts

    Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, and Religion in general.


    They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well.

    So, what is there to develop any negative perceptions, or views towards them?)



    Some additional Reference Material, in regards to the forum, via Atheism and the community. 

    https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_atheism

    "Internet atheism


    The article Internet atheism: The thrill is gone! points out that internet atheism has been in a significant slump since 2008.

    In the early part of the 21st century, atheists were very active on the internet.[1] However, by 2008 there began a marked decline in internet atheism (see: Internet atheism web traffic volume).[2]

    One of the reasons why some atheist participate in internet atheism is that offline participation in the atheist community is often difficult.[3]

    In an essay entitled How the Atheist Movement Failed Me, an atheist woman noted that participation in the atheist community is often expensive due to the cost of attending atheist conferences and even local atheist meetings in restaurants and bars challenged her modest budget.[3] As a result of the challenges that atheists commonly have in terms of socializing in person, many atheists turn to the internet in terms of communicating with other atheists.

    In addition, Conatus News indicates:

    The overwhelming anti-atheist sentiment in society means most don’t feel comfortable outwardly proclaiming their lack of faith. So instead of congregating in a large building on Sunday, many atheists have found their own community online.

    This societal stigma is certainly part of the reason atheists seem so drawn to internet interactions. Anonymity, or at least the safety of separation from those around you, provides the ability to truly speak one’s mind.[4] "



  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 17
    @ZeusAres42

    I'm sorry, but you're off topic.
    Dee said:
    @TKDB

    just flagged you for trolling as you openly admit to spanking your kids 
    "I was beginning to think you might have been being a bit harsh on him before. However, now I am almost certain he is trolling, and so he deserves everything he gets!"

    ZeusAres42Dee
  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    I'm sorry, but you're off topic.
    Dee said:
    @TKDB

    just flagged you for trolling as you openly admit to spanking your kids 
    "I was beginning to think you might have been being a bit harsh on him before. However, now I am almost certain he is trolling, and so he deserves everything he gets!"

    I'm sorry, but you're off-topic by making a post just stating I am off-topic. Please stay on topic, and not on me. Thanks.
    Deekakalam777

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    edited November 17
    @ZeusAres42

    His latest tactic is to constantly flag me for any comments I make , I’ve told Aarong  to look at his constant goading and baiting of others and you in particular as it’s blatant trolling 
    PlaffelvohfenZeusAres42kakalam777
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 17
    @Dee

    And I explained to Aarong about your abusive language, that you've directed at me personally, that is off topic, from the actual topic.

    The abusive language that you were justifiably flagged for:

    When some, go about hurting others,
    "But you said you spank your children , surely that hurts them?"

    that's what being anti Family, anti Community, anti pro Public, and anti Religious Freedom looks like.

    "Ok , so you finally admit hurting another especially a child is anti family , anti community and anti religious freedom."

    "Great , so you’re reporting me because I mention something you admit as in you spank your kids."


    "Don’t worry I’m reporting you for trolling"

    "I’ve flagged you for Trolling and baiting , you keep bringing up this self same topic in an attempt to goad and troll others"


    @Dee

    Thank you for trolling on me.


    @Dee,

    The below is the theme of the forum:

    So please, can you please get back on topic?


    (Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, and Religion in general.

    They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well.

    So, what is there to develop any negative perceptions, or views towards them?)


    @Dee ;

    Do you have any, on topic commentary, to constructively add to the actual topic on hand? 

    And I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do.

    Dee
  • Dee said:
    @ZeusAres42

    His latest tactic is to constantly flag me for any comments I make , I’ve told Aarong  to look at his constant goading and baiting of others and you in particular as it’s blatant trolling 
    It's when he continues to ask stupid questions such as about God being put on trial even when these questions have been addressed. It is no different than you or I asking someone to provide evidence for unicorns being put on trial in a real-life courst case. And he continues to do this? He has to be trolling as I honestly believe no one can be that retarded.
    Dee

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 18
    @Dee

    Your off topic commentary is "Truly" in regards to the theme of this forum?

    "Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, and Religion in general.

    They are all as modern, as they are historical, in their own right.

    They are Community oriented.

    They have parishioners who go to their services on a weekly basis.

    Babies, kids of all ages, parents, seniors, teachers, coaches, counselors, and political representatives alike.

    Some of the Religious Organizations, give back to their communities, through operating food banks, or feeding the poor, or the homeless, and by providing shelters to the homeless as well."

    My words:
    (When some, go about hurting others,)

    These are your words:
    "But you said you spank your children , surely that hurts them?"

    My words:
    (that's what being anti Family, anti Community, anti pro Public, and anti Religious Freedom looks like.)

    These are your words: 
    "Ok , so you finally admit hurting another especially a child is anti family , anti community and anti religious freedom."

    "Great , so you’re reporting me because I mention something you admit as in you spank your kids."


    @Dee : Are your views in regards to the "Corporal Punishment," or are they truly in regards to the specific theme of this forum? 


    I'm sorry, but I'm focusing on the theme of this forum, and "Corporal Punishment," isn't the topic of conversation.

    ZeusAres42
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited November 18
    @ZeusAres42

    I am an equal and fair conversationalist.

    Am I being unfair, and equal in approaching any conversation that way? 


    Why is it a retarded question? 

    Because, there is maybe no available evidence that can be used to present a Non Religion counter argument to it, is there?

    Its a justifiable question, being that God, Jesus, and the Bible gets judged everyday by various individuals, don't they ? 

    In any legitimate courtroom, the Prosecution gets to ask questions, just the Defense, gets to ask question, do they not? 

    Otherwise, the conservation gets to be based solely on individual hearsay and conjecture doesn't it? 

    Has the Internet itself, maybe to a degree, been morphed into a one sided court based not on legitimate evidence, but maybe on individual perception only?


    "It's when he continues to ask stupid questions such as about God being put on trial even when these questions have been addressed."

    "It is no different than you or I asking someone to provide evidence for unicorns being put on trial in a real-life court case."

    "And he continues to do this?"

    "He has to be trolling as I honestly believe no one can be that retarded."


    @ZeusAres42

    I'm not trolling anyone, I'm engaging in a fair, and equal conversation. 






    ZeusAres42Dee
  • @TKDB

    You know, there are people in South Korea whose full-time job is a non-profit business helping North Koreans illegally move to South Korea. People who flee North Korea through China need a lot of help, as they do not have any money, they do not speak Chinese, they do not know how market economies work, and the Chinese police is under orders to apprehend them and send them back to North Korea, where they are going to be sentenced for a lifetime in a labor camp.

    These people are talented and eager to work and could have all the luxuries in the world if they wanted. Instead, they choose to go to the border between two of the most totalitarian states on Earth, crawl through rainy swamps and risk being shot at or arrested by both the North Korean border guards, and the Chinese special agents and police officers. They do it just so they could save a few lives, lives of innocent people whose only crime was being born in hell.

    Those people's lives align far more with Jesus' teachings about compassion and charity, than your stance on immigration is. Does Christianity teach borders and walls, or does it teach helping those less fortunate than you?
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    And I'm sorry, that you can't stay on topic, because your individual perception is outside the theme of this specific forum?

    "Or you could just mute and ignore the troll, and thus starve it of the attention it desperately craves. Many other people here have done that already. I think it's time we do the same."

    Please take your individual grievance up with Aarong? 


    ZeusAres42
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @Dee

    "I’ve reported him again as it’s blatant trolling , I suggest you do like wise."

    "Reported again for Trolling"

    I'm not trolling anyone, I'm engaging in a fair, and equal conversation

    "You are , I’ve reported you yet again"

    "Now that's an idea."


    @Dee

    And I'm sorry, that you can't stay on topic either, because your individual perception is outside the theme of this specific forum?

    Please take your individual grievance up with Aarong? 


    DeeZeusAres42
  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    @TKDB

    Flagged again for trolling 
  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    edited November 18
    @TKDB

    Reported for trolling 
  • VaulkVaulk 667 Pts
    edited November 19
    Some separation:

    Christianity surrounds two Testaments, the Old which is no longer valid nor practiced unless you're Jewish and even then...Jews don't sacrifice animals nor can they trace their lineage back to the beginning as required in original Judaism and the New Testament, the doctrinally sound code for the majority of Christians.

    Islam isn't separated into old or new testaments nor is there anywhere in the Koran that specifies that certain laws or examples are no longer valid.  This is why the Koran's instruction that "It's ok to lie" so long as it's in the promotion of Islam and "It's ok to murder and destroy other nations" so long as they're infidels is so problematic in today's society.  

    Mind you I'm not comparing Koran doctrine to the actions of individuals who use religion to further their purpose (Crusades).  I'm comparing Islam doctrine to Christian doctrine strictly and the difference between the two is primarily focused around what Islam grants its followers permission to do.  There is no mistaking the example set forth by Muhammed in the Koran when he became a Warlord and killed any who refused to convert to Islam and there's no denying that the doctrine specifically calls for the death of anyone who refuses to accept Islam as their faith.

    Christianity is still the number one most oppressed religion in the World today in terms of the sheer number of persecuted practitioners.  When you research to find out just who's doing the persecution...it's no wonder that Islam is having a hard time finding acceptance in the United States where our National Motto is still "In God We Trust".
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @Vaulk

    Why does it seem that some of Humanity in general, either lacks, or doesn't have the courage enough to self utilize, some humane self respect towards oneself or unto others globally? 

    I wonder why some of Humanity, apparently, lacks that ability to be able to positively "Trust in Itself," along with "In God We Trust?"

    "Christianity is still the number one most oppressed religion in the World today in terms of the sheer number of persecuted practitioners.  When you research to find out just who's doing the persecution...it's no wonder that Islam is having a hard time finding acceptance in the United States where our National Motto is still "In God We Trust".



  • 1) Christianity is the only coherent worldview with corresponding truth that defines origin-meaning-morality-destiny and directly answers with logical consistency, empirical adequacy, experiential relevance. There is ONE God and ONE Mediator for sin, Jesus Ch@TKDB

    2) Catholicism has never been Christian. Catholicism was founded by Constantine in 312-313AD via the Edict of Milan by merging Babylonian Paganism/Roman Paganism with elements of Christian and non-Christian (Apocrypha) doctrine in order to make the pagan cult more palatable to the masses.

    The Mass; The Sacraments; Transubstantiation; Purgatory; The Rosary; Statues in Worship; The Perpetual Virginity of Mary as the Goddess of Heaven; The Idolatry of Mary Worship; calling Catholic Leadership as "Father"; Confessing sin to a Priest; The Magisterium; Indulgences; these are NOT Scriptural and undermine the purity and simplicity of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord; thereby, leading the innocent millions/billions in the way of deception and hopelessness. http://www.eaec.org/cults/romancatholic.htm

    3) Islam is most certainly an Abrahamic Religion as Islam finds its genesis in Ishmael born to Abraham through an adulterous relationship with Hagar. Ishmael is the progenitor of a people our Creator refers to as “wild donkeys” and it is through Abraham’s infidelity with Hagar that Lucifer-Satan has publicly introduced himself to mankind (Genesis 16:12; 2 Corinthians 11:14).

    Lucifer’s sin in the Kingdom was covetousness, for Lucifer passionately desired to be like the Most High and desperately desired God’s worship, authority, dominion. It is Lucifer’s attempted coup de taut in the Kingdom before the creation of Time that initiated the creation of Time, the Universe, Earth, mankind, Hell; this was done in order that the sin of Lucifer could be removed from the Kingdom and dealt with within the constraints of Time apart from the Kingdom were nothing impure is permitted to exist (2 Timothy 1:10; 1 John 3:8; Revelation 21:27).

    Lucifer, a beautiful cherub angel (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-17), coerced one-third of the entire angelic realm to follow him in a cosmic rebellion (Revelation 12:4), a coup de taut, against our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua; therefore, Lucifer and the rebellious angels (now demons) were removed from the Kingdom (Luke 10:18; Isaiah 14:12-15). Our Creator spoke into existence the realm of Time by fashioning unseen elements of the Spiritual World into matter visible to the senses of mankind constrained by Time (Hebrews 11:3) and within the constraints of Time, our Creator placed this Universe, Earth, mankind and Lucifer (Genesis 3).

    It was in the Garden of Eden that the struggle between Yeshua and Lucifer/Allah was initiated (Genesis 3:14-15) and that struggle can be observed throughout the pre-flood and post-flood generations with its most virulent episode manifesting at the Crucifixion of Yeshua. It was not until the 7th-Century that Lucifer publicly introduced himself through an Arabic moon-god (2 Corinthians 11:14) and a false prophet, desert murderer and pedophile named Muhammad. It is through the way of Islam that Allah-Satan has received power, dominion, worship, as he fervently battles against the people of Yeshua i.e. the Jews and the Christians. Allah-Satan finds acceptance and legitimacy by touting the relationship of Islam with Abraham via Hagar via Ishmael.

    Allah-Satan conspired with Hitler and untold others to destroy the Jew, but Allah-Satan in his efforts to annihilate the Jewish people unwittingly inspired the “Never Again” movement and the Nation of Israel was reborn (1948); the struggle between Allah-Satan and Yeshua has exponentially increased subsequent to the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy (Ezekiel 34:13). It will ultimately be Islam-Allah-Satan and his allies, Russia-China-Arabic coalition, that sparks the coming Apocalypse that will be a nuclear war initiated in Jerusalem, Israel. Yeshua will be victorious (Revelation 5:5)!




    PlaffelvohfenDeeTKDBZombieguy1987ZeusAres42
  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    @RickeyD

    Thanks for that pure comedy gold , what are you smoking?..........

    Lucifer, a beautiful cherub angel (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-17), coerced one-third of the entire angelic realm to follow him in a cosmic rebellion (Revelation 12:4),

    That’s comedy gold mate .......


    Zombieguy1987ZeusAres42
  • @RickeyD If you studied as opposed to seeking death in sin and Hell in the insanity of atheism, you would know your spiritual father, Satan, and his history and his destiny.


  • Some separation:

    Christianity surrounds two Testaments, the Old which is no longer valid nor practiced unless you're Jewish and even then...Jews don't sacrifice animals nor can they trace their lineage back to the beginning as required in original Judaism and the New Testament, the doctrinally sound code for the majority of Christians.

    You're about the first or second person to mention this so far. A lot of my posts have mainly revolved around the Old Testament which most people of today don't even bother with.



    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • VaulkVaulk 667 Pts

    Some separation:

    Christianity surrounds two Testaments, the Old which is no longer valid nor practiced unless you're Jewish and even then...Jews don't sacrifice animals nor can they trace their lineage back to the beginning as required in original Judaism and the New Testament, the doctrinally sound code for the majority of Christians.

    You're about the first or second person to mention this so far. A lot of my posts have mainly revolved around the Old Testament which most people of today don't even bother with.


    Strictly from a doctrine standpoint, that's because it's no longer valid.  The Old Testament is still full of wisdom and guidance of sorts but the instructions and rules have been nullified, marked by the death of Christ and the beginning of the New Testament.  The exception is in few cases where the New Testament reinforces something from the Old Testament specifically.

    @TKDB stated in his original post post:

    TKDB said:

    So, what is there to develop any negative perceptions, or views towards them?
    The simple answer to your question is here.  
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @Vaulk

    I'm not a Muslim.

    But, I see what argument, your trying to make.


    So, what is there to develop any negative perceptions, or views towards them?
    "The simple answer to your question is here."

    Who was responsible for 9/11?

    Those 19 Hijackers? 

    Or was God, or any Religion, responsible for 9/11?

  • VaulkVaulk 667 Pts
    edited November 26
    TKDB said:
    @Vaulk

    Why does it seem that some of Humanity in general, either lacks, or doesn't have the courage enough to self utilize, some humane self respect towards oneself or unto others globally? 

    I wonder why some of Humanity, apparently, lacks that ability to be able to positively "Trust in Itself," along with "In God We Trust?"

    "Christianity is still the number one most oppressed religion in the World today in terms of the sheer number of persecuted practitioners.  When you research to find out just who's doing the persecution...it's no wonder that Islam is having a hard time finding acceptance in the United States where our National Motto is still "In God We Trust".


    The answer to your question is:

    Every living being on the planet has, does and will take advantage of another living being of it's own Species in order to gain, benefit or otherwise prosper at the cost of suffering from the one they take advantage of. 

    Elephants; Lions; Bears; Cows; Horses
    Catfish; Bass; Trout; Sharks; Minnows
    Parrots; Dove; Quail; Eagles; Pelicans;
    Snakes; Alligators; Iguanas; Geckos; Chameleons
    Crickets; Spiders; Grasshoppers; Ladybugs; Centipedes

    From Amoebas to Blue Whales and yes, INCLUDING HUMAN BEINGS...every living creature takes advantage of its own species for no other reason than to gain an advantage and in almost all cases the exact advantage isn't clearly known before attempting the underhandedness.  This is where Bullying comes from as well as hierarchy, the natural instinct to dominate others of our own species and, if possible, other species as well. 

    Nothing is more traceable throughout history in ALL of the Animal Kingdom that the fact that this is purely and wholly natural and (This is the funny part) if you're an evolutionist then you're well into the acceptance of this as it is part and parcel to the way things should be.  Evolution has supposedly shown us that all living things dominate each other or at least try and so it is by all reasonable definitions "Natural" even within social circles.  

    Sorry but I just now had that epiphany that Bullying is 100% natural as all living creatures do it to members of their own species as a method of dominance. LOL. So the next time you hear someone complaining about bullies, if they're an atheist then they should start learning to accept it.  The Earth's population explosion should be proof enough that, with the existence of bullies, we've thrived as a species.

    If you're religious though and you reject the evolutionary theory regarding our origins then you can always lean on objective morality provided through the good book and then you'd have a leg to stand on when arguing against Bullying.
    PlaffelvohfenZeusAres42
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • VaulkVaulk 667 Pts
    edited November 26
    TKDB said:
    @Vaulk

    I'm not a Muslim.

    But, I see what argument, your trying to make.


    So, what is there to develop any negative perceptions, or views towards them?
    "The simple answer to your question is here."

    Who was responsible for 9/11?

    Those 19 Hijackers? 

    Or was God, or any Religion, responsible for 9/11?

    There's no shame in casting blame on the hijackers...none at all.  I'd support anyone who called for their death.  In ADDITION to that though, I'd also support calling into question their ideology and more specifically what shaped it.

    White supremacy and Racism are ideologies and ideologies by themselves cannot cause harm.  That doesn't stop us from casting hatred upon those ideologies though...mostly because they're evil ideologies and they serve as inspiration for people to commit crimes against one another.  THAT is what I call Islam out for.
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @Vaulk

    Do you have a problem, with calling out some of your fellow human beings for abusing the Public, like they do each day?

    I don't have a problem with it.

    Terrorism is terrorism, sexual assault is sexual assault, hate crimes are hate crimes, and racism is racism.

    Some of humanity, making excuses for why the above, get committed by their own hands, and they need an excuse, to self justify their actions. 

    Because their abuses, and crimes, are self incriminating.

    "White supremacy and Racism are ideologies and ideologies by themselves cannot cause harm."

    "That doesn't stop us from casting hatred upon those ideologies though...mostly because they're evil ideologies and they serve as inspiration for people to commit crimes against one another."

    "THAT is what I call Islam out for."

    I call a terrorist a terrorist, but l'm not calling out Islam, for what an individual terrorist does. 
  • VaulkVaulk 667 Pts
    edited November 26
    @TKDB

    Firstly, I just said I'd call for the death of the hijackers...which qualifies as "Calling out a fellow Human Being for abusing the public".
    Your questioning me on whether or not I will is insinuative (Regardless of whether you mean to or not) that I somehow don't or won't.  This is a textbook manipulation of the debate, for what specific reason I cannot say but I don't particularly appreciate it.

    Your personal preferences aren't on the chopping block here.  I'm debating objectively that as Human Beings we irrefutably have, do and will continuously call out ideologies that are vile and despicable.  Racism and White Supremacy are incontrovertible examples of ideologies that we regularly cast shame upon and call out for being despicable.  The motivation for calling them out is mostly irrelevant compared to what the ideologies are about.

    If you can, have or ever will call out White Supremacy and Racism for being horrible ideologies then the fact that you personally refuse to call out Islam for the same thing isn't material.  You can personally choose to do whatever you like, personal preference doesn't automatically qualify as logic or reason and has never been the standard for passing the common sense test.  You're essentially standing on the grounds that teaching a hateful ideology is ok but acting on the ideology is the only thing worth calling out.

    I will say that your refusal to call out Islam as an ideology behind the actions of others is particularly interesting considering that you've made no hesitation to call out other hateful ideologies in the past.  Funny how hypocrisy creeps up on you when you least expect it.
    Plaffelvohfen
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • @TKDB

    You do not have to demonise every single follower of a given religion to point out that the religion itself is reprehensible. There are many Muslims out there that are amazing human beings, who have done more for their fellow man than many atheists have. We do not have anything against those people, and do not make an issue out of their religion.

    However, you have to admit that Islam as an ideology is quite perverted. That some people interpret it in a good way does not change what it fundamentally is. Islam is an ideology of obedience to a central authority and societal authoritarianism; it is a rigid hierarchical system in which the will of the individual is trumped by the position on the hierarchy he/she holds.

    It makes for an amazing platform to recruit followers for a bloody massacre. Much like with Christianity, its advocacy for an inherently coercive societal organisation makes it easy for tyrants to control large groups of people, appealing to the mandate given to them by god. It is no accident that Christianity was the most violent ideology of the Medieval era, and Islam is the second most violent ideology nowadays (after communism).

    All these authoritarian ideologies are fundamentally the same: they are based on people's insecurities, that make them want to subdue those who trigger those insecurities, which happens to be virtually everyone. They are quite incompatible with the individual liberty-based Western society. Perhaps you can somehow make a liberal Islamic or Christian society work, but I doubt it, and even if it is possible, it is going to be a system full of hypocrisy and self-contradictions. 

    I see it all the time at my university. See, I work at a technically Catholic university, and it is curious to see the administration's stance on everything flipping all the time. One day they are pro-abortion, because the students on campus support it. Next day they are anti-abortion, because Catholicism says so. Third day they are neutral, because they found something in the Bible that questions the earlier assertion. Fourth day they are pro-abortion again, because they now do not believe that their ideology should be forced on others.
    I expect something similar to be happening in an Islamic or Christian liberal country. Trying to please everyone, the government is going to take watered down neutral stances on everything, and the country will be caught at an impasse between liberty and tyranny. It might work somehow, but it is going to form a society of hypocrites, and it is always a very dangerous thing to have. Russia is a good example of such a society, where on one hand people weep over the collapse of the Soviet Union and worship a former KGB agent, and on another they like free markets and Western imports. They do not have a position on anything and just go with whatever is convenient to say at the moment. The results are clear: the concept of contract is not respected there, because people never keep their word, even written on paper and signed, and so nobody can trust anyone and people keep backstabbing each other even more.
    That is what you are looking forward to when trying to build a religion-based liberal society, or a socialism-based liberal society, or any other ugly hybrid.

  • 1) Catholicism has never been Christian. Catholicism was founded by Constantine in 312-313AD via the Edict of Milan by merging Babylonian Paganism/Roman Paganism with elements of Christian and non-Christian (Apocrypha) doctrine in order to make the pagan cult more palatable to the masses.

    The Mass; The Sacraments; Transubstantiation; Purgatory; The Rosary; Statues in Worship; The Perpetual Virginity of Mary as the Goddess of Heaven; The Idolatry of Mary Worship; calling Catholic Leadership as "Father"; Confessing sin to a Priest; The Magisterium; Indulgences; these are NOT Scriptural and undermine the purity and simplicity of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord; thereby, leading the innocent millions/billions in the way of deception and hopelessness. http://www.eaec.org/cults/romancatholic.htm

    2) Islam is most certainly an Abrahamic Religion as Islam finds its genesis in Ishmael born to Abraham through an adulterous relationship with Hagar. Ishmael is the progenitor of a people our Creator refers to as “wild donkeys” and it is through Abraham’s infidelity with Hagar that Lucifer-Satan has publicly introduced himself to mankind (Genesis 16:12; 2 Corinthians 11:14).

    Lucifer’s sin in the Kingdom was covetousness, for Lucifer passionately desired to be like the Most High and desperately desired God’s worship, authority, dominion. It is Lucifer’s attempted coup de taut in the Kingdom before the creation of Time that initiated the creation of Time, the Universe, Earth, mankind, Hell; this was done in order that the sin of Lucifer could be removed from the Kingdom and dealt with within the constraints of Time apart from the Kingdom were nothing impure is permitted to exist (2 Timothy 1:10; 1 John 3:8; Revelation 21:27).

    Lucifer, a beautiful cherub angel (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-17), coerced one-third of the entire angelic realm to follow him in a cosmic rebellion (Revelation 12:4), a coup de taut, against our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua; therefore, Lucifer and the rebellious angels (now demons) were removed from the Kingdom (Luke 10:18; Isaiah 14:12-15). Our Creator spoke into existence the realm of Time by fashioning unseen elements of the Spiritual World into matter visible to the senses of mankind constrained by Time (Hebrews 11:3) and within the constraints of Time, our Creator placed this Universe, Earth, mankind and Lucifer (Genesis 3).

    It was in the Garden of Eden that the struggle between Yeshua and Lucifer/Allah was initiated (Genesis 3:14-15) and that struggle can be observed throughout the pre-flood and post-flood generations with its most virulent episode manifesting at the Crucifixion of Yeshua. It was not until the 7th-Century that Lucifer publicly introduced himself through an Arabic moon-god (2 Corinthians 11:14) and a false prophet, desert murderer and pedophile named Muhammad. It is through the way of Islam that Allah-Satan has received power, dominion, worship, as he fervently battles against the people of Yeshua i.e. the Jews and the Christians. Allah-Satan finds acceptance and legitimacy by touting the relationship of Islam with Abraham via Hagar via Ishmael.

    Allah-Satan conspired with Hitler and untold others to destroy the Jew, but Allah-Satan in his efforts to annihilate the Jewish people unwittingly inspired the “Never Again” movement and the Nation of Israel was reborn (1948); the struggle between Allah-Satan and Yeshua has exponentially increased subsequent to the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy (Ezekiel 34:13). It will ultimately be Islam-Allah-Satan and his allies, Russia-China-Arabic coalition, that sparks the coming Apocalypse that will be a nuclear war initiated in Jerusalem, Israel. Yeshua will be victorious (Revelation 5:5)! Know your enemy!

    3) Atheism is a religion of the psychotic. When engaging the atheist in conversation or debate relevant to their worldview, the atheist fails to acknowledge the overwhelming, irrefutable, evidence of our supernatural Universe as empirical, extant, substantive, evidence for design and a mandated Designer. I am not suggesting that the atheist simply denies knowing the Creator of the Universe, the identity of said Creator, but that the atheist unashamedly denies the inexplicable reality of the Moon, Sun, Stars, Earth, Life and Time and the inexplicable origin of these supernatural phenomena void a mandated Designer who is both supernatural and outside of and simultaneously infinitely superior to that which has been carefully designed and created.

    Denying the reality of that which is before you daily and nightly is symptomatic of a psychosis, a mental illness, that is obviously supported and under girded by personal biases, involvement in unnatural, immoral, behaviors that require the denial of a supernatural Creator for the sake of conscience and eschewing shame and self-loathing; a Supernatural Creator that the atheist and all of mankind intuitively knows exists and One that inherently-obviously possesses authority and dominion over the life of the atheist living in denial of reality (Romans 1:18-32).

    This psychosis of “denial of reality” is also enhanced and seductively morphs into a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder via the psychologically and physiologically devastating-debilitating problem of “diminishing returns.” When one is consumed with demonically inspired Naturalism which is the primary tenet of the religion of Darwinism (evolutionary theory) which is the progenitor of the religion/cult of Atheism which worships at the throne of “moral relativism,” the man or woman so deceived by these demonically-based cultic religions naturally pursues and obsessively idolizes those things that bring aberrant forms of sensual pleasure and ingratiate the flesh i.e. a rebellion to/rejection of the objective moral law written upon the human heart by the Creator (Romans 2:15).

    Unfortunately, the atheist, who is often times absorbed with the obsessive-compulsive behaviors involved in compromise with sexual immorality-other forms of addiction, there is inevitably a slippery-slope of disappointment, dissatisfaction with cursory immorality necessitating ever-increasing forms of self-destructive debauchery, immoral behavior manifesting in confusion and self-loathing leading to death of the body, mind, soul, in life and in eternity. This slippery-slope of hopelessness ingrained within the Religion of Atheism mandates ever-increasing vitriol-hate-loathing for a Divine Moral Authority. This deep-seated hatred for God is ever-present on debate-forums involving the atheist.

    4) Evolution is a religion of Naturalism mandating great faith in that which has never been observed. If America survives another two-generations as a Constitutional Republic, historians will look back at the 1960’s and the infusion of Darwin’s nonsense into our public schools as the catalyst for America’s “progressive” fall into rampant immorality, abortion, addiction, suicide, confusion, LGBTQ deception.

     I believe evolution in our public schools was a carefully crafted strategy by progressive-socialists to remove Christianity from American society and prepare the hearts of our posterity for the infusion of socialism via rampant atheism i.e. moral relativism that pursues aberrant lust relevant to the fallen-nature of man.

    The religion of evolution is the primary progenitor of the modern-day atheist, nihilist, secularist, humanist, socialist, moral relativist and our Millennial Generation is the first to manifest these horrific ideologies into American society…we’re already experiencing the unconscionable results.

    Satan is rejoicing at the destruction of America’s youth; therefore, stand-by…things are only going to get worse.

    5) Christianity is the only coherent worldview with corresponding truth that defines origin-meaning-morality-destiny and directly answers with logical consistency, empirical adequacy, experiential relevance. There is ONE God and ONE Mediator for sin, Jesus Christ.  What is Authentic Christianity? http://https//rickeyholtsclaw.com/2019/11/03/what-is-authentic-christianity/


     











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