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are you lucky?

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I contend that there is no such thing as luck; it s simply a human concept. I have heard people claim that luck is just chance therefore since chance is real, then so is luck. Chance is not luck, it is a random event in which we attach our idea of luck upon, good or bad. What one may consider good luck for one, may be considered bad luck for someone else. we are simply attaching an human attribute to a random event and calling it luck.  In doing so. we are believing in something that only exists with-in our minds.
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  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  

    Luck 

    success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.



    If I strike a golf ball from a tee and it hits a rock and goes straight in for a hole in one is that “luck”?  If it’s through my own actions that it went in? It happened to hit a rock and go in , what if I aimed for the rock hoping for that result is it luck?

    Using this example would all golf shots be luck bad /good dependent  on the bounce of the ball? 

  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    Dee said:

    Luck 

    success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.



    If I strike a golf ball from a tee and it hits a rock and goes straight in for a hole in one is that “luck”?  If it’s through my own actions that it went in? It happened to hit a rock and go in , what if I aimed for the rock hoping for that result is it luck?

    Using this example would all golf shots be luck bad /good dependent  on the bounce of the ball? 

    If you hit a rock that you were aiming for, you didn't hit it by chance.
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -   edited November 2019
    @CYDdharta

    ****If you hit a rock that you were aiming for, you didn't hit it by chance

    So was it going in the hole still luck or not? 

    Also if I hit the same shot and it hits a rock and goes in how is it luck if I’m aiming for the hole and not the rock? 


    Actually the question is most interesting  in fairness to maxx , I’m attempting to play devils advocate here as it asks more questions about the nature of luck and how it’s defined 
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    Dee said:
    @CYDdharta

    ****If you hit a rock that you were aiming for, you didn't hit it by chance

    So was it going in the hole still luck or not? 

    Also if I hit the same shot and it hits a rock and goes in how is it luck if I’m aiming for the hole and not the rock? 


    Actually the question is most interesting  in fairness to maxx , I’m attempting to play devils advocate here as it asks more questions about the nature of luck and how it’s defined 

    I suppose it comes down to belief.  If you make a shot you believe you can make, then it isn't luck.  Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    it is still just chance and we are only deciding how we interpret that chance.  we know that random events occur in nature, but you can not show me where luck appears in nature.  it is simply what  and how we interpret a random even,  so what if I win the lottery;  I just call it luck but no matter what it is a random event. luck is something that we create with our own minds@CYDdharta
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    I am sorry to point it out but there is no luck in nature; there is only random events that our brain decides as what is or is not lucky@Dee
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    maxx said:
    it is still just chance and we are only deciding how we interpret that chance.  we know that random events occur in nature, but you can not show me where luck appears in nature.  it is simply what  and how we interpret a random even,  so what if I win the lottery;  I just call it luck but no matter what it is a random event. luck is something that we create with our own minds@CYDdharta

    Maybe, maybe not.  There will never proof either way.
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -   edited November 2019
    ok  take away humans.  is there still luck?  or just random chance?  luck only shows when we humans appeared and decided what was luck from the random events we see and come across.  humans decide what luck is and how it affects them, not nature, so luck is a human made concept and therefore you are believing in something that simply does not exist@CYDdharta
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    maxx said:
    ok  take away humans.  is there still luck?  or just random chance?  luck only shows when we humans appeared and decided what was luck from the random events we see and come across@CYDdharta
    Humans?  I'd say yes.  Sentient beings, probably not.  Without sentient beings, would there be chance, or even randomness?  I don't think so.  Chance itself is a human concept.  Chance is a possibility of something happening.  If no beings exist to speculate about or observe an event, then nothing happens by chance.  If there's no such thing as chance, then there's no such thing as success or failure apparently brought by chance.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5969 Pts   -  
    Luck is related to random chance. In essence, by "luck" we usually mean something that defies statistical odds of a random event. If you put all your money on the horse that has never won a single race, and suddenly it wins, then we say that you were incredibly lucky.

    From the pure physics point of view, luck, or even randomness in general, does not exist (unless we are talking about some fine quantum effects, for which randomness may or may not exist, depending on the interpretation). However, it is a useful approximation for situations in which we cannot reasonably predict the outcome of an event, even if we have all the data we need to do so. When you flip a coin, in principle, with special equipment, I can pretty confidently predict the outcome of most flips, based just on how you hold a coin before doing so - however, in real situations, when it is just two or more people with nothing but clothes on their backs, this becomes absolutely impossible. Hence it makes sense to approximate the situation as a sequence of pure random events. And if something very unlikely statistically happens, such as ten tails in a row, with someone betting on tails every time, then we can say that they are extremely lucky - or that the game is rigged, depending on the situation.

    In mathematics, we do deal with random events in a very rigorous manner. Only, instead of considering specific outcomes, we rather consider an object keeping all the possible outcomes and their probabilities within it. But mathematics, in itself, is, again, just an approximation of what happens in the real world. In reality, "probability" is a pure human concept, and the nature does not know what it is. 

    The question that philosophers of all kinds have been asking throughout the century is this: "Are there lucky and unlucky people?" Are there people who tend to consistently get better outcomes of random events than the pure statistical estimates suggest, and are there people who tend to consistently get worse outcomes?

    Personally, I do not think this is the case. If someone seems to be outstandingly lucky, then one of the two factors are likely at play.
    First, the person might have some rare trait that allows them to understand specific situations better than most other people are capable of. A person can make a bet in the casino that seemingly makes no sense statistically, but it does make sense from that person's perspective, as they notice something about how the game is played that other people miss. Maybe the person is extremely good at detecting bluff in poker, for example, which allows them to defy all seeming odds and win games consistently by making questionable bets.
    And second - which, I believe, is the case most of the time - the person may just focus on the positive outcomes, dismissing the negative ones. If someone deeply believes that they are lucky, then they will see events that support this belief as significant, while those that do not as outliers. And even if on average the person's outcomes are exactly as they could expect statistically, their observational bias makes them see themselves as very lucky. And they project this attitude on others, who start believing the same.

    You know how some people believe, for example, that they are not capable of doing mathematics, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy? With luck, too, it is easy to deceive yourself by believing that you are just very unlucky, and even if you are actually not, you will act as an unlucky person would, and the world consistently seems to prove you right.
    Similarly, there are people who seemingly are absolutely unable to play music, but they deeply believe that they are destined to become a great musician, so they keep practicing endlessly - until, one day, they, indeed, become a great musician. And similarly, with luck, someone who deeply believes that they are lucky will probably act in a way a successful person would, and even if they are not any more lucky than anyone else statistically, they will achieve a better outcome in pracitce.

    This is a very interesting subject, with many layers of complexity.
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta

    ****
    I suppose it comes down to belief.  If you make a shot you believe you can make, then it isn't luck.  Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.

    Right , so on a par 3 hole a pro golfer will always expect to hit the green yet a hole in one is a rarity can it be called “luck” if he aces it?  He is after all aiming to get the ball into the hole in fewest strokes posibble
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;


    ****I am sorry to point it out but there is no luck in nature; there is only random events that our brain decides as what is or is not lucky@Dee



    How do go about proving that?

    It has sometimes been suggested that luck exists only if a certain interpretation of quantum mechanics is true: if causality is not “deterministic”. If physical determinism is true then every event that occurs is entirely predictable (in principle), by someone who knows enough about the universe and its laws.


    If indeterministic physics is true, then such predictability is not possible: no one, no matter how much they know can predict every event that happens, even in principle.

  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta

    **** I suppose it comes down to belief. 

    Interesting , and just to take it a bit further 

    **** If you make a shot you believe you can make, then it isn't luck. 

    But if you don’t make the shot is it then “bad luck” as your belief has not being fulfilled?

    **** Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.

    But if the objective of the game is to get the ball in the hole in fewest strokes surely every shot is a genuine attempt to achieve that aim, how can it then be “luck “ if you make it?
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    again you are looking at it from a human point of view. what we consider good luck for one may be bad for another. it all depends  on how we interpret a random event. there is no fundamental force of luck built into nature; it is only chance and humans put the idea of luck onto that chance. luck is a human concept and comes from our point of view not natures.@MayCaesar
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    take away all beings and there would still be random events, things that happen by chance. you are looking at the wrong definition of the word chance. you are applying the word chance to things that happen within a human frame work, such as winning the lottery or finding something valuable. if I am walking with someone and a tree falls by chance and hits the other walker but not me I would only "think" that it was luck when it was merely a tree falling by chance; it was a coincidence and that is chance.@CYDdharta
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    maxx said:
    take away all beings and there would still be random events, things that happen by chance. you are looking at the wrong definition of the word chance. you are applying the word chance to things that happen within a human frame work, such as winning the lottery or finding something valuable. if I am walking with someone and a tree falls by chance and hits the other walker but not me I would only "think" that it was luck when it was merely a tree falling by chance; it was a coincidence and that is chance.@CYDdharta

    Did the tree fall by chance, or was it the inevitable result of years of infection by Diplodia blight to the point that it had no chance of withstanding the sudden 20mph breeze that blew it down onto the other walker?

    Chance and randomness are human constructs to describe events that we don't have the information to explain.  In the not-too-distant past, solar eclipses were considered random events.

  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    Dee said:
    @CYDdharta


    But if you don’t make the shot is it then “bad luck” as your belief has not being fulfilled?

    That's a distinct possibility.


    **** Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.

    But if the objective of the game is to get the ball in the hole in fewest strokes surely every shot is a genuine attempt to achieve that aim, how can it then be “luck “ if you make it?

    That may be the objective, but not even the best golfer truly believes he can get a hole in on on the 7th hole of the Satsuki golf course.  The hole is nearly twice as far away as the longest drive ever recorded. 

  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -   edited November 2019
    it doesn't matter,  it is not luck one is hit and the other is not. it is random. you are believing in something that only exists with-in the frame work of our minds  . chance and probability exits in nature; show me where luck exists outside of our minds.@CYDdharta
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    maxx said:
    it doesn't matter,  it is not luck one is hit and the other is not. it is random. you are believing in something that only exists with-in the frame work of our minds  . chance and probability exits in nature; show me where luck exists outside of our minds.@CYDdharta
    Show me where chance exists outside of our minds.
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    the definition of chance: the occurrence and development of events in the absence of any obvious  design.   luck on the other hand is an attribute we apply to these events. @CYDdharta
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    Luck 

    success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.



    You have still failed to address .....


    ****I am sorry to point it out but there is no luck in nature; there is only random events that our brain decides as what is or is not lucky@Dee



    How do go about proving that?

    It has sometimes been suggested that luck exists only if a certain interpretation of quantum mechanics is true: if causality is not “deterministic”. If physical determinism is true then every event that occurs is entirely predictable (in principle), by someone who knows enough about the universe and its laws.


    If indeterministic physics is true, then such predictability is not possible: no one, no matter how much they know can predict every event that happens, even in principle.

  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    I believe you are discussing the collapse of the  wave function by an observer into a particular state which some interpret as a precursor to creating out own reality with our minds, hence our own luck.  we are still applying a concept to what we observe in nature.  and in actuality the collapse of the wave into a particular state has only been proven up to a certain point. the universe is in a particular state and it is obvious that the wave function collapsed into such a state with out an observer. chance is dertermalistic and luck is how we apply that what we see. assuming for the argument if one could create ones own reality that is not luck. actually I can not even see where one may derive luck from in quantum mechanics; it is all random until we measure something and it collapse into a certain state.   luck by its very definition is an attribute we place upon random events, chance and coincidences. if such things as luck ,exists, i.e. the intervention of good or bad things happening to someone, then you would have to assume that there is a force behind such luck,@Dee
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1484 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;

    I'm 82 and I'm here to respond to your question. Call it luck? call it chance? I know a few that would call it "unfortunate", but, some of them are dead …….. I have to think they were "unlucky". Anyway, good luck to you. :smirk:
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -   edited November 2019
    maxx said:
    the definition of chance: the occurrence and development of events in the absence of any obvious  design.   luck on the other hand is an attribute we apply to these events. @CYDdharta

    "Obvious design"?  Obvious to who?  Obviousness is another human construct.

  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -   edited November 2019
    and what is your definition of it if you wish to mince words?  luck does not exist in nature.  all you have done is say nothing other than tell me what I have said. once again it requires an human to decide how we interpret a random event, on if we think it is good or bad for us, I. e. luck. and I should emphasize the word think! in the absence of any sentient being, there is only chance. show me where this is not so.@CYDdharta
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    and what is your definition of it if you wish to mince words?  luck does not exist in nature.  all you have done is say nothing other than tell me what I have said. once again it requires an human to decide how we interpret a random event, on if we think it is good or bad for us, I. e. luck. and I should emphasize the word think! in the absence of any sentient being, there is only chance. show me where this is not so @CYDdharta
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    maxx said:
    and what is your definition of it if you wish to mince words?  luck does not exist in nature.  all you have done is say nothing other than tell me what I have said. once again it requires an human to decide how we interpret a random event, on if we think it is good or bad for us, I. e. luck. and I should emphasize the word think! in the absence of any sentient being, there is only chance. show me where this is not so.@CYDdharta
    Random events don't occur in nature.  Randomness is a term humans use to describe that which we haven't yet found an answer for.  Just because humans can't comprehend the method or pattern behind something doesn't mean that such a pattern or method doesn't exist.  No people, no one to contemplate the randomness of an event.  This is a lot like the old saw, "if a tree falls in the woods..."
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta

    **** I suppose it comes down to belief.  If you make a shot you believe you can make, then it isn't luck.  Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.

    That would be a way of looking at it yes, but could our shot have turned out any different to the outcome  as in what if everything was entirely predictable and the result of a long chain of events we have no control over? 

    Such terms as luck would then become meaningless 
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    **** Its all random 

    Well no that’s not decided scientifically, opinions differ on the matter depending on who you ask
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    ***in the absence of any sentient being, there is only chance.

    But chance is luck as the definition states .......



    luck

    /lʌk/


    noun

    noun: luck

    1. success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    through ones action.  luck is not chance; luck is how we decide how chance affects us. and we make the decision, not nature.  luck would not occur if there were no intelligence being around to decipher the random events played out by nature and decide if they bring good or bad  tidings; correct?  in the absence of humans, random events would still occur, it takes humans to believe in luck and it is all  with-in our minds and to believe in something that simply in our minds is akin to one believing in the biblical god that you are so quickly to deride. look up what psychology says about luck.@Dee
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    through ones action.  luck is not chance; luck is how we decide how chance affects us. and we make the decision, not nature.  luck would not occur if there were no intelligence being around to decipher the random events played out by nature and decide if they bring good or bad  tidings; correct?  in the absence of humans, random events would still occur, it takes humans to believe in luck and it is all  with-in our minds and to believe in something that simply in our minds is akin to one believing in the biblical god that you are so quickly to deride. look up what psychology says about luck.@Dee
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    ***** through ones action.  luck is not chance;

    Well it actually is despite your refusal to accept accepted definitions 

    ****luck is how we decide how chance affects us. 

    It’s not , luck is still chance 

    ****and we make the decision, not nature.  

    So a tree falling and hitting someone is not because of nature? 

    ****Luck  would not occur if there were no intelligence being around to decipher the random events played out by nature and decide if they bring good or bad  tidings; correct?

    Chance would still occur as in would trees stop falling? 

      ****in the absence of humans, random events would still occur

    Yes by chance , or maybe predetermined which again would mean their is no such thing as luck/chance 

    ,****it takes humans to believe in luck and it is all  with-in our minds and to believe in something that simply in our minds is akin to one believing in the biblical god that you are so quickly to deride. 

    You’re saying it takes humans to believe in chance , so again does it take a human to believe a tree fell by chance? Has the tree still fallen and if not by chance it was predetermined meaning again chance /look does not exist 

    The biblical god although a fiction is worthy of derision 

    *****look up what psychology says about luck.

    Why  would I? I’ve no need to appeal to authority 
  • I am always lucky at not being lucky.
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    you are simply wrong in this matter.  a belief in luck is nothing more than a superstition. random events happen in nature, luck is an human attribute that we place upon the random event .  a tree falls by chance; there is no luck attached to it for it has not affected a human in one way or the other. it is only when a chance happening in nature that affects humans,  when humans them selves decide if it is luck, good or bad. it is obvious that you are much more intelligent that most scientists or psychologist that I could quote so I simply do not see how you can classify yourself as a debater if you refuse to listen to or believe in any one other than thy-self.  luck, good or bad, is a superstition. it does not exist as a force in nature, just chance and random events. @Dee
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    Dee said:
    @CYDdharta

    **** I suppose it comes down to belief.  If you make a shot you believe you can make, then it isn't luck.  Conversely, if you make a shot you don't believe you can make, then it's luck.

    That would be a way of looking at it yes, but could our shot have turned out any different to the outcome  as in what if everything was entirely predictable and the result of a long chain of events we have no control over? 

    Such terms as luck would then become meaningless 

    Wouldn't that depend on whether or not people and their actions could ever be entirely predictable?
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta

    ***** Wouldn't that depend on whether or not people and their actions could ever be entirely predictable? 

    Yes exactly , there are many eminent people of science who think that our actions could indeed be entirely predictable and maybe in the future with the advances of technology we will be able to do so 
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    *****you are simply wrong in this matter.

    You’re are simply wrong in this matter ......see how that works?


      ****a belief in luck is nothing more than a superstition.

    So a belief in chance is superstition?.....accepted definition of Luck ..... success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

     *****random events happen in nature, luck is an human attribute that we place upon the random event

    Ok call it what it is chance events happen in nature, so if the term luck was abandoned if favour of chance you would be happy?

    Take a whole in one “if I got one and said what’s the chances of that ? That would suit your pedantic mind set would it?

     .  *****a tree falls by chance; there is no luck attached to it for it has not affected a human in one way or the other. it is only when a chance happening in nature that affects humans,  when humans them selves decide if it is luck, good or bad. 

    Chance is luck so maybe you need new terminology to suits your updated worldview 

    ****it is obvious that you are much more intelligent that most scientists or psychologist

    Yet another appeal to authority from you , you failed to address how luck is luck in a deterministic universe if everything is entirely predictable a thing scientists are split on

    **** that I could quote so I simply do not see how you can classify yourself as a debater if you refuse to listen to or believe in any one other than thy-self. 

    Come on you believe in the supernatural and now you claim to be referencing “real science “

    **** luck, good or bad, is a superstition. it does not exist as a force in nature, just chance and random events. 

    You said chance exists look up a dictionary and see what it says luck is .....BTW good luck with that 
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    Your link says nothing of interest and is void of implication. You still need to look up the definition of luck your denial of such has you as usual involved in denial of accepted terminology 
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -   edited November 2019
      you are believing in superstition!  luck: def. an human attribute placed upon a random event which has no basis in nature. ) I agree chance exist in nature, but you have failed to show where luck exists with out humans being involved.  take away humans and there is no luck because it only exists with in a persons mind. show me where a chance event, is good or bad with out a human involved; show me where a random event occurs that is good or bad in itself with out a human saying it is good or bad.  show me where if you took away humans, nature decides where a random event is good or bad luck. you can not because there is no brain behind nature; it requires humans to make that decision as to what happens is good or bad.   show me. go by logic.  is there a brain behind nature that decides if a random chance event is good or bad luck for humans?  is there? of course not.  it is humans that make thjat decision so therefore it resides within our minds and does not exist outside of it. You may as well believe that inanimate objects such as cars have  personalities or on fortune cookies, or a magical sky daddy.
    @Dee
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx



      *****you are believing in superstition!  luck: def.

    luck

    /lʌk/


    noun

    noun: luck

    1. success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
    Luck and chance are the same thing 

    *****an human attribute placed upon a random event which has no basis in nature. ) I

    So chance /random events don’t happen in nature unless we observe them ....Ooooookay 

    ****agree chance exist in nature,

    You’ve just agreed luck exists......It’s to easy .....

    ..... luck

    /lʌk/


    noun

    noun: luck

    1. success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

    **** but you have failed to show where luck exists with out humans being involved.

    Where did I make any such claims?



      ****take away humans and there is no luck because it only exists with in a persons mind. 


    But you said chance/luck exists

    ****show me where a chance event, is good or bad with out a human involved;

    I never claimed whether one was good or bad , but they’re still chance which is Luck 

    ****show me where a random event occurs that is good or bad in itself with out a human saying it is good or bad.  show me where if you took away humans, nature decides where a random event is good or bad luck. you can not because there is no brain behind nature; it requires humans to make that decision as to what happens is good or bad.   show me. go by logic.  is there a brain behind nature that decides if a random chance event is good or bad luck for humans?  is there? of course not.  it is humans that make thjat decision so therefore it resides within our minds and does not exist outside of it. You may as well believe that inanimate objects such as cars have  personalities or on fortune cookies, or a magical sky daddy.


    So from the start I defeated your argument as in you deny accepted dictionary definition of terminology, it’s all you ever do really as in believing ....You can get back to your hate piece now on same sex adoption 
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    no,  luck requires the idea of it being good or bad and nature only provides the event, not weather it is good or bad. how can you not understand that? if it snows, is it nature that decides if we humans like it? does nature decide if getting caught in a sudden rain is good or bad luck for someone?  Is luck a force in nature?  You are confusing a chance event with a concept humans created.@Dee
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    no,  luck requires the idea of it being good or bad and nature only provides the event, not weather it is good or bad. how can you not understand that? if it snows, is it nature that decides if we humans like it? does nature decide if getting caught in a sudden rain is good or bad luck for someone?  Is luck a force in nature?  You are confusing a chance event with a concept humans created.@Dee
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    ***** **I agree chance exist in nature,

    You’ve just agreed luck exists......It’s to easy .....
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    no,  I agree chance exists,  chance is not luck.  chance is not believing a random event is good or bad for you. nature does not decide that!!!humans do. answer the question. is there a brain behind nature tht decides if a random event is good or bad luck for humans, or is it humans that make that decision? forget your dumb dictionary; I can easily show an opposing definition.  show me where the concept of luck is backed by science. If you believe that nature decides what is good or bad luck then then you are believing in a luck god@Dee
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    Funny thing, in French (my native language) "luck" and "chance" are the same thing, in fact "luck" literally translate to "chance" (there are less common synonyms of course, but rarely used in everyday speech)... So when you say that chance is not luck, to me at least, it makes no sense at all as they have the same epistemological root... 

    Now that said, luck is not a "thing", it's not a mystical force or anything supernatural, it's just the description of an improbable result. If this result is favorable we describe that as "lucky" and if it's unfavorable we describe that as "unlucky"... If human or otherwise sentient beings did not exist, improbable events/results would still occur in nature, there just would not be anyone to describe them...
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    ***** no,  I agree chance exists,  chance is not luck.  

    It is and @Plaffelvohfen has just corrected you also 

    ****chance is not believing a random event is good or bad for you. 

    Chance is a random event do random events take place when no one is observing?

    ****nature does not decide that!!!humans do. 

    Nature you’re saying does not cause random events now?

    ****answer the question. is there a brain behind nature tht decides if a random event is good or bad luck for humans, or is it humans that make that decision? forget your dumb dictionary;

    Right so dictionary’s are all wrong but you’re right 

    ****I can easily show an opposing definition. 

    Ok , show us “ easily” then?

     ****show me where the concept of luck is backed by science. 

    Where did I say any such thing?

    *****If you believe that nature decides what is good or bad luck then then you are believing in a luck go

    Where did I state this?  Maybe when you calm down you can attempt a rational defense although that may be expecting to much 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    i agree random events would still occur; however, nature does not decide if a chance happening is good or bad for someone, humans do, otherwise that is providence or even karma. 
    back to square one,  someone is walking and by chance he trips, perhaps he stumbled over a rock.  he falls over a tree stump and lands upon a pile of money. Now does nature make the decision on if it is good or bad luck again or is it the human that fell? To believe other than the human would mean you are saying there in an intellectual force behind random events that makes decisions on such thing as luck. other wise according to psychology alone, luck is a human concept, a belief that has no basis in nature. in poker if I get dealt 4 aces; that is pure chance, a coincidence and the player himself calls it luck, not the coincidence itself.@Plaffelvohfen
  • maxxmaxx 1131 Pts   -  
    you must have a problem reading and or putting words into others post. random events occur in nature, chance and coincidences occur but it is how humans interpret these event that decide if humans are lucky. is there a intelligence in nature that decides if a random event is lucky for a person? you are very close to believing in providence @Dee
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