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WHY did God Create the Heavens and the Earth?
in Religion

By RickeyDRickeyD 212 Pts edited December 1
  1. Why is there something as opposed to nothing?

  2. What’s gone wrong in the cosmos?

  3. Is there any hope?

  4. How will history end?

  5. What is the role of the Abrahamic Religions in Time and Eternity?

  6. Who is the Creator of the Universe, Time and Life?

  7. Is the god of Islam i.e. Allah, the same God of Judaism/Christianity?

Introduction

As the years of our lives pass with incredible haste and memories are blurred by the thief of Time we often neglect to stop and ponder “why” is there “something” as opposed to “nothing?” Why is there life and why is there such intricacy and symmetry in our Universe? Surely, the origin of matter that forms our Universe extending downward to the complexity of the human genome is not the culmination of Time+Chance+Matter? If not, then why am I here constrained within this realm of Time?


Following, is a brief, condensed, summation of years of contemplation, study, listening, reasoning, all provided by the grace of God the Father through His Holy Spirit. You may disagree and your rebuttal is welcome, but I find Christianity to be the “only coherent worldview with corresponding truth that defines origin-meaning-morality-destiny and directly answers with logical consistency, empirical adequacy, experiential relevance.”Ravi Zacharias So then, why are you and I existing in Time…what is our purpose and is there a Plan? If so, who, what, where, when, why and how?

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In the Beginning, God – Why?


There are multiple pillars of Truth upon which our Creation in “Time” finds its relevance, its purpose.


Part I provides a brief overview of our Creator’s plan and purpose for Time, Earth, LIFE.


Part II provides an overview of Islam, Allah, Muhammad, Ishmael and their relevance in the cosmic struggle that has manifest in Time.


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“the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.”  1 John 3:8 (NASB)


“For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.”  Romans 9:28 (KJV)


Part I


1) The Creator of LIFE, the Universe, has identified Himself as Jesus Christ (Elohim-Yeshua) and He desires a relationship with His created beings, both Angelic and Human (John 1; John 3:16).


2) Relationship, one that is manifest in purity and authenticity, mandates volition, free-will, the ability to choose to love or to hate; otherwise, relationship is robotic and thus impotent. Our Creator has provided His created beings, both Angelic and Human, with free-will, the ability to “choose” Jesus Christ as Lord or reject Jesus Christ and serve Satan by default. Those who reject our Creator will be “without excuse” at their judgment in Eternity for our Creator has provided extant empirical evidence relevant to His existence, His reality and dominion “through what has been made.” (Romans 1:18-32)


3) Our Creator is Spirit and though His abode is the Spiritual Realm, He transcends both the Spiritual World and Time for He is Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent (John 4:24; Psalm 139:7-12).


4) Our Creator is perfect HOLINESS, perfect JUSTICE, perfect RIGHTEOUSNESS; therefore, He will not permit the destructive presence of sin to dwell within His Eternal Kingdom (1 Peter 1:15-17; Revelation 21:27).


5) Our Creator was content in His relationship with His angelic beings but iniquity manifest in the Kingdom as a result of a rebellious Angel, Lucifer, who coveted the authority and dominion of our Creator (Isaiah 14:12-14; Ezekiel 28:11-15. A coup d’état followed as Lucifer introduced sin-iniquity into the Eternal Kingdom and one-third of the entire Angelic Realm followed Lucifer in his rebellion against our Creator’s dominion and authority (Revelation 12:4).


6) The Holiness and Justice of our Creator mandated swift and sure action in order to limit the destruction of sin in His Kingdom; therefore, Lucifer, along with the rebellious Angels, were cast out of the Eternal Kingdom (Luke 10:18; Ezekiel 28:11-14).


7) In order to deal with the rebellion of Lucifer, Lucifer’s sin and the rebellious Angels apart from the Heavenly Kingdom, our Creator subsequently spoke into existence the Realm of Time and within the constraints of Time He placed the Universe, Earth, Lucifer, Mankind (Genesis 1).  Our Creator took elements from the Spiritual Realm that are not visible to senses i.e. life constrained by the Realm of Time and He formed those elements which are not seen in Time into matter which can be apprehended by life constrained by Time. It is this matter emanating from the Spiritual World that forms the basic building blocks of all things visible and invisible within the Realm of Time (Hebrews 11:3; Colossians 1:15-20; John 1; Genesis 1).


8) Our Creator, desiring to maintain volitional love with His faithful Angelic beings, set-forth a plan “before the beginning of Time” i.e. the Gospel of Jesus Christ to defeat Lucifer’s sin and rebellion with selfless and sacrificial LOVE as opposed to arbitrary punishment that would have undoubtedly destroyed volitional love, for if our Creator had simply destroyed Lucifer and the rebellious Angels for their coup d’état, the remaining two-thirds of the faithful Angels would no longer love their Creator out of volition but fear. Perfect love and relationship cannot manifest in fear (2 Timothy 1:10).


9) Our Creator placed Lucifer on the Earth and permitted him access to mankind who ultimately relented to Lucifer’s enticement of sin resulting in “The Fall” of mankind. Man’s rebellion to the authority and Covenant of God resulted in sin which corrupted the human genome; therefore, the wages of sin is death of the body and spiritual death. Mankind’s sin also resulted in a chasm, a fracturing of the intimate relationship between God and mankind that existed prior to Adam’s rebellion (Genesis 2; Genesis 3; Romans 6:23; 1 Corinthians 15:22).


10) Our Creator entered into a covenant with mankind which indicated the seriousness of sin and the power of sin’s destruction in both Eternity and Time…our Creator pointed to the shed blood of innocence as the only acceptable payment for sin, for the “life” of God’s created beings within the Realm of Time is in the blood and only innocent blood is deemed as sufficient to forgive sin and redeem the fallen nature of mankind (Matthew 26:28; John 3:16; 2 Corinthians 5:21).


11) Seeing that only the blood of innocence could forgive sin, our Creator left Eternity and manifest in the Realm of Time approximately 2018-yrs ago in the Incarnation where He clothed Himself in flesh by being born of the seed of the woman through the Holy Spirit thereby circumventing the seed of the man which carries the culpability/sin-nature resulting from Adam’s rebellion against our Creator’s authority (Philippians 2:8: Galatians 4:4; 1 Corinthians 15:22; Romans 5:19).


12) Our Creator, for 33.5-years, walked among His Earthly creation and defined God to all who would receive His message of life, then our Creator submitted to the horrors of a Roman Crucifixion in order that His innocent blood would be shed and ultimately He experienced death, burial and resurrection thereby defeating sin, death, Hell and the Grave and ultimately Lucifer through selfless LOVE and sacrifice (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 10:5).


13) Our Creator established a New Covenant in His own blood stating that any man, woman or child who would trust in His death, burial and resurrection as payment for their sin would be forgiven of all sin, past-present-future and thus redeemed and made HOLY, acceptable to enter the Kingdom of God subsequent to the death of the body constrained by Time. In addition, our Creator infuses the Gift of the Holy Spirit into the life, the Earthly body of every believer as the Guarantor of His eternal relationship with everyone who trusts in Jesus Christ as LORD-God-Savior-Mediator (Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 2:27; John 14:16). This New Covenant AKA The Age of Grace will remain in effect until the Tribulation Period involving the Nation of Israel and the armies of Satan, represented by Allah/Islam and Islam’s allies, who do battle to destroy Israel and thereby attempt to nullify the promises of God to Abraham concerning the descendants of Jacob (Israel) (Zechariah 14:12; Revelation; Matthew 24).


14) Subsequent to the Tribulation period, Satan and his angles will be bound/made impotent for one-thousand-years during the Millennial Reign of Messiah-Jesus. Perfect peace and tranquility will reign upon the Earth as Jesus Christ rules from Jerusalem over all the Nations of the World (Revelation 20:1-10). The Millennial Reign and its peace and tranquility will further demonstrate to the faithful Angels in the the Kingdom of God that Lucifer/Satan is the father of lies, suffering, death and that sin must be thoroughly defeated via righteousness (Revelation 20:1-6; Isaiah 24:22; Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10; Isaiah 65). This truism will be confirmed at the end of the Millennial Reign of peace as Satan and his angels are released upon the Earth once again to deceive and destroy in unconscionable horror (Isaiah 24:22; Revelation 20:3; Revelation 20:7-10). It is our Lord Jesus Christ who will ultimately defeat Satan/Lucifer in this second-rebellion at which time Satan and his minions will be relegated to punishment in Hell forever (Revelation 20:9-10; Revelation 5:5).


15) To this end, our Creator will receive full acknowledgment from His Angelic Creation that Lucifer, the rebellious Angels, deserve eternal punishment in Hell subsequent to witnessing the pervasive, unconscionable destruction, carnage and death that manifest as the resultant of Lucifer/Satan’s lies, deception, hate, divisiveness while on Earth which are all the manifestation of SIN. Our Creator will receive praise and affirmation for having dealt with the rebellious Angel with such wisdom, love, compassion; this, while having maintained volitional love with those who honor, worship and adore our Creator as LORD.


16) It is plausible that our LORD is replenishing the vacuum/void in the Eternal Realm that was left as a result of Lucifer’s rebellion and the absence of the Angels who followed Lucifer in that rebellion. As evidenced within Time, our atmosphere abhors a vacuum and it is logical that when the number of rebellious Angels has been replenished by the redeemed/faithful of mankind, the end of the Age of Grace will manifest. Though mankind, in the resurrection, will NOT become Angelic, redeemed mankind will play an intricate role in serving our Creator in the Eternal Kingdom.


The Unfaithful and Judgment


Those who have rejected the saving grace of Messiah-Yeshua-Jesus will be brought forth from Hades-Sheol subsequent to the Millennial Reign of Messiah; these unfaithful will be adjudicated in accordance with their works, their deeds done in the body (The Great White Throne Judgment) and will be subsequently pronounced guilty for sin and will suffer a second death…a death of finality in the Lake of Fire/Hell and will cease to exist seeing that nothing impure will be allowed to enter God’s Kingdom (Revelation 20:11-15).


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Part II

ISLAM – ISRAEL – CHRISTIANITY


It is imperative that one understands the manifestation of the cosmic-Spiritual struggle between Lucifer and Yeshua and how said struggle has manifest in Time.


Allah v. Yeshua


Islam is most certainly an Abrahamic Religion as Islam finds its genesis in Ishmael born to Abraham through an adulterous relationship with Hagar. Ishmael is the progenitor of a people our Creator refers to as “wild donkeys” and it is through Abraham’s infidelity with Hagar that Lucifer-Satan has publicly introduced himself to mankind. It is important to note at this point that Ishmael is not the son of promise but only through Isaac born to Abraham and Abraham’s wife, Sarah, was the promise of Messiah-Yeshua manifest to the World.


Lucifer’s sin in the Kingdom was covetousness, for Lucifer passionately desired to be like the Most High and desperately desired God’s worship, authority, dominion. Lucifer, a beautiful cherub angel, coerced one-third of the entire angelic realm to follow him in a cosmic rebellion, a coup de taut, against our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua; therefore, Lucifer and the rebellious angels (now demons) were removed from the Kingdom. Our Creator spoke into existence the realm of Time and within the constraints of Time, our Creator placed this Universe, Earth, mankind and Lucifer.


And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.” Gospel of Luke 10:18 (NASB)

jesus - satan - ezekiel 28 full scripture explaining satan in eden and with god and his fall in sin


It was in the Garden of Eden that the struggle between Yeshua and Lucifer/Allah was initiated and that struggle can be observed throughout the pre-flood and post-flood generations with its most virulent episode manifesting at the Crucifixion of Yeshua. It was not until the 7th-Century (622AD+-) that Lucifer publicly introduced himself through a pagan Moon-God (Allah) and the plagiarized writings of a murderer, thief and pedophile named Muhammad AKA Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim (Born: April 22, 571 AD///Died: June 8, 632 AD, Medina, Saudi Arabia)


Important note before we continue: In Paul’s letter to the Church at Corinth, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul writes the following concerning Satan: “No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” (2 Corinthians 11:14, NASB)  Of the 360 gods worshiped at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity.  Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.  Is the Holy Spirit, in Paul’s letter to the Corinthian Church, identifying the god of Islam/Allah-Satan (a moon god) by referring to him as a disguised “angel of light”?  It’s interesting that the Moon is not actually a light but the Moon simply reflects the splendor of the Sun, the true light that lights the entire Earth. The Moon is a lesser light that governs the darkness (Genesis 1:16) and does NOT express the glory of the True Light. “Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ‘I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.’” (John 8:12, NASB). Finally, in 2 Corinthians 4:4, Satan is described in this manner: “in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


It is through the way of Islam that Allah-Satan has received power, dominion, worship, as he fervently battles against the people of Yeshua i.e. the Jews and the Christians. Allah-Satan finds acceptance and legitimacy by touting the relationship of Islam with Abraham. Yeshua speaking concerning the attributes of Allah-Satan has warned us…


“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.“  The Gospel of John 8:44 (NASB)


Allah-Satan conspired with Hitler and untold others to destroy the Jew, but Allah-Satan in his efforts to annihilate the Jewish people unwittingly inspired the “Never Again” movement and the Nation of Israel was reborn (1948); the struggle between Allah-Satan and Yeshua has exponentially increased subsequent to the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy (Ezekiel 34:13). It will ultimately be Islam-Allah-Satan and his allies, Russia-China-Arab Coalition, that sparks the coming Apocalypse that will be a nuclear war initiated in Jerusalem, Israel. Yeshua will be victorious! 


“I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries and bring them to their own land; and I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the inhabited places of the land.”  Ezekiel 34:13 (NASB)


Praise to God the Father for His all encompassing compassion and love and mercy. All glory and honor to Yeshua who is victorious over the Evil One and has set the captives free from death in sin and death in Hell via His love, faithfulness and mercy at the Crucifixion. Praise and worship and eternal gratitude to the Holy Spirit for His faithfulness, wisdom, intercession, tutelage and compassionate love with much patience. Amen!

Conclusion

Finally, all available evidence in Scripture leads to the conclusion that had Lucifer not rebelled, there would be absolutely no reason for the creation of Time, the Universe, Earth, Mankind or Hell.  This LIFE, constrained by Time, is nothing more than preparation for Eternity. Every man, woman, child has been provided a unique opportunity to take part in God’s Plan of redemption where our Creator is currently seeking those who will be faithful to serve Him throughout Eternity. The Key to finding life and purpose in Time and in Eternity is Jesus Christ and trusting in Jesus as your personal Savior and LORD…there is no other way for mankind to find righteousness (a right standing) before God the Father and there is no other way to find life in Eternity without Jesus Christ as your Mediator for sin.


You Will Know Them by Their Fruits


Yeshua-Jesus said…


15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”  Matthew 7:15-20 (NKJV)

 

islam - quotes from koran to kill and murder

 

islam - real mohammad 1

islam - massacre those who insult islam

islam - i was born to islam the religion of eace i am required to kill jews christians hindus buddhists atheists sodomites lesbians transexuals then peace

jesus - syria v israel

jesus - iran v israel


Islam will ultimately be the “spark” that ignites the coming Apocalypse that will be initiated in the City of Jerusalem…the coming Nuclear War that will engulf all of the Nations that come against our LORD’s chosen people, the Jew.  Our Creator, Messiah-Yeshua, will be victorious over the Nations that coalesce and conspire to destroy Israel and this victory will initiate the Millennial Reign of our LORD…the Lamb of God who entered Time as a suffering Lamb and will rule and reign over the Nations as a Conquering Lion from the Tribe of Judah.


Jesus - nuclear war in Zechariah

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jesus - rev 5 5 the lion from the tribe of judah has conquered

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Arguments

  • We will never know because the question has no answer. Follow that with "Why would God create a universe that stretches for millions of light years?" Just as unanswerable.

    There MAY be an answer from science someday. Whatever we humans cannot fathom can only be answered by our imaginations. Those, for some, lean toward the ancient idea of "gods". Others look for a more reasonable answer based on our developing intelligence.
  • @AlofRI ; I have told you Truth concerning what the Holy Spirit has said. You are free to believe these words and find life in the Name of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and Mediator for your sin - or - you can die in spiritual ignorance in your rejection of God's Plan through Jesus Christ and you will ultimately die in your sin and die in Hell because our Holy and Just God is NOT going to permit your unrepentant sin to enter His Kingdom subsequent to the death of your body in Time! (Revelation 21:27) 

    You must choose your loyalties in this life constrained by Time. Will you serve the Kingdom of Light in Jesus Christ or will you serve the Kingdom of Darkness in Satan?


    smoothiePlaffelvohfen
  • 42
    PlaffelvohfenSkepticalOne
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation, Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root and developed into the human race, who conquered fire, built societies and developed technology .
    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • smoothiesmoothie 149 Pts
    edited December 1
     If god made us then hes messed up tbh
    the guy typing this is a weirdo
  • @smoothie ; No, God has not failed, man failed God but God, in His compassion and mercy, interceded on man's behalf and provided forgiveness, restoration, eternal life, for the one who will seek that forgiveness God's way.


  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    Maybe we could invite a selection of the various gods worldwide to a get together and let them
    each give their versions and take a vote  on it .........

    Africa

    Americas

    MesoamericaEdit

    Mid North America

    South America

    Asia

    Central Asia

    East Asia

    Indian subcontinent

    Europe

    Middle East

    Pacific Islands/Oceanic

  • @RickeyD

    Claims are not evidence. I'll admit I scanned your OP (did you see how many words that was?!), but I didn't see any evidence justifying your belief that the claims of the Bible (regarding the origin of everything) are true...much less why anyone else should be convinced. Did I miss it? 

    PlaffelvohfensmoothieAlofRI
  • @SkepticalOne ; You don't see because you don't have eyes to see or ears to hear...you have been blinded by your spiritual father, Satan, this is why you are headed to a death in sin and death in Hell because you have thwarted a life of knowledge and understanding in the Scriptures for a life of servitude to your flesh, the World and Satan and darkness. I have provided you what the Holy Spirit has articulated concerning causation for Creation - you will study and seek knowledge of God and find Him in your study or you'll continue to exist in the facade of Atheism and die in wastefulness and futility and suffer Hell with the many. The "choice" is yours to make!  You are "without excuse" in your Atheism.

    Evidence for our Creator


    Introduction


    “Christianity is the only coherent worldview with corresponding truth that defines origin-meaning-morality-destiny and directly answers with logical consistency, empirical adequacy, experiential relevance.” (Ravi Zacharias) There is ONE God and ONE Mediator for sin, Jesus Christ-Yeshua (1 Timothy 2:5).


    “There are honest doubters and dishonest doubters. An honest doubter is willing to search out the truth and live by the results; a dishonest doubter doesn’t want to know the truth. He can’t find God for the same reason a thief can’t find a policeman.” Adrian Rogers

    Three-forms of evidence validating our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua…

    1) Nature

    2) The Incarnation of God in Time

    3) The Written Covenant between God and Mankind

    1) Empirical – Preliminary – Substantive – Observable Evidence = NatureThe Universe, encompassing the Sun-Moon-Stars-Earth, descending downward to the complex human genome (life), all provide empirical, preliminary, substantive, observable, evidence for design in Nature and therefore mandate a Designer (Isaiah 66:1; Acts 7:49).


    The Holy Spirit has clearly articulated that anyone who denies these empirical, supernatural, inexplicable, forms of Nature as testimony relevant to our Creator’s validity will be “without excuse” when they stand in the Judgment before Jesus Christ-Yeshua in Eternity (Romans 1:18-32; Revelation 20:11-15). It is the preliminary evidence of Nature that confronts mankind daily/nightly and is so designed as to draw all men and women to seek knowledge of God and find life in His Name, Jesus Christ-Yeshua.


    God has so uniquely created and ordained Nature as testimony and evidence relevant to Himself that He has nullified mankind’s ability to define origin of matter or understand the supernatural Universe He has placed before us (Ecclesiastes 3:11). Origin of matter will, until the end of Time, remain a mystery to mankind as man is cognitively constrained by Time and The Curse; all that is visible and invisible to the human eye in Nature was established, created, by elements from the invisible Spiritual World; therefore, the genesis of our Creation will forever remain an enigma, a mystery, to the mind of man. Anyone seeking Truth, void a personal bias against the validity of our Creator, can easily apprehend and discern the supernatural design of creation mandating a supernatural Creator.


    “By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.” Hebrews 11:3 (NASB)


    “He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.” Ecclesiastes 3:11 (NASB)


    2) The Incarnate, Living Word of God, Jesus Christ-Yeshua


    There exists no greater or more popular historical figure than Jesus Christ-Yeshua. The Atheist who rejects the historicity of Jesus simply rejects the overwhelming evidence for His validity readily accessible-available in Biblical and extra-Biblical as well as non-Christian, archeological, sources.


    Our Creator did not leave His Human creation to wonder or ponder about the one-true-God and His Plan and purposes for Time and Eternity, but God left the Spiritual Realm some 2019-years ago, He divided history, and entered the Realm of Time in the flesh through a virgin birth that was essential to establish Him as Messiah who would selflessly give Himself to save mankind from death in sin and death in Hell (Philippians 2:5-11; Matthew 1:23).


    During the 33.5-years of His Earthly sojourn, Jesus fulfilled over 300-Messianic prophecies as articulated in the Covenant of Law extending from the Genesis to The Book of Malachi. The statistical chances of

    In the Gospel of John, Chapter 14 v. 6, Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”


    Anyone contemplating the Deity of Jesus Christ in light of the previous Scripture (John 14:6) must come to ONE of only three-conclusions concerning Jesus Christ. Jesus is either a…

    1. liar.

    2. lunatic.

    3. Lord


    Every human being born subsequent to 33-AD and having attained an age of reason with sufficient cognitive acuity to discern the moral law as written upon our heart by our Creator (Romans 2:15) will have to choose between these three-options seeing that their eternal destiny will depend solely upon which option they choose.


    3) The written word of God, the Holy Bible


    God the Father has not only provided Nature/the Universe and the Son, Jesus Christ-Yeshua as testimony of His validity, power, dominion, but God has also provided a written “Covenant of Grace” (Matthew 26:28) to His human creation through the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit meticulously, supernaturally, moved through the inner-man of 40-men of antiquity, holy men set-apart specifically for the purpose of penning on parchment the Plan and purposes of our Creator; a journey of 1400-to-1600-years, three-continents, three-languages, explaining in detail our origin, our purpose and meaning, God’s moral law and God’s Plan for the destiny of Time and Eternity.


    For those who scoff at the integrity of God’s written word and thereby call the Holy Spirit a liar, understand that the very same Creator who initiated visible matter from the unseen Spiritual World and used same to create this vast supernatural Universe and gave you the breath of life, this very same Creator is abundantly capable and qualified to provide you and provide me with the EXACT words He desires we have so that we can know Him, His Plan and purposes for Time and our individual lives. Irrespective of councils of men and theologians, critics, scholars, all of the efforts of men concerning advocating for or disparaging the Holy Scriptures, know that the Bible remains the best-selling Book in History and that God’s word will NEVER fade away (Matthew 24:35).

    Conclusion


    Our Creator has provided Human KIND with three-undeniable-forms of evidence relevant to His validity, reality, power, dominion, Deity…

    1) Nature.

    2) Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Living Word of God.

    3) A written covenant, the Holy Scriptures.


    Anyone who desires to know God intimately, personally, will find Him and enter into a relationship with Him if they will seek Him with their whole heart…He will be found by them (Jeremiah 29:11-13). God will NOT entertain or commune with a heart that does not truly desire to know Him but He is faithful to make His abode with anyone willing to come to Him in faith and believe that He is true.


    “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” Hebrews 11:6 (NKJV)




  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 218 Pts
    edited December 2
    @RickeyD

    1) Nature, by definition, is natural, not supernatural. 

    2) Many legitimate historians (Christian and Non-Christian) accept Jesus was a real person. What they don't agree on is that he was divine or supernatural. The 'Lord, Liar, Lunatic' argument leaves out a fourth possibility: Legend. Humans have a tendency to embellish - especially regarding admired or feared individuals.

    3) The Bible claims to be the word of a god. To accept this claim as evidence of a god would be circular.

    Conclusion: Belief and evidence are not the same. When asked why you are convinced of your beliefs, piling on more belief isn't helpful or compelling.
    AlofRI
  • DeeDee 1101 Pts
    @RickeyD

    Your whole argument is circular and void of implication. There is not now or ever any event or happening  whose explanation had been proven to be by a supernatural cause , such claims are nonsense and based on nothing but superstitious bunk 
    smoothieAlofRI
  • AlofRIAlofRI 362 Pts
    My answer to the question is that humans needed something to answer all the questions they had about the stars, the planets, Earth, wind and fire, so they turned to what they have always done in the past ….. invented a "god". Only this time they invented ONE god for everything instead of a god of the sea, a god that threw lightening and blew wind, caused earthquakes etc..
    Today, we understand much of what happens, and why. We are learning about the rest. We don't need an ancient "god" as an explanation. We'll figure it out …. if we don't destroy ourselves (and/or the planet), before we get all the answers. No "god" will prevent that, only ourselves. :pensive:
  • AlofRIAlofRI 362 Pts
    @RickeyD Romans 1-18-32

    I wish the current occupier of the White House was a better reader when I read this! It fits him in SO many ways! If he WAS an actual "Christian" he would see hell on his horizon, and, maybe change?? Nah, just more "fake news". :anguished:
  • AlofRIAlofRI 362 Pts
    Dee said:
    Maybe we could invite a selection of the various gods worldwide to a get together and let them
    each give their versions and take a vote  on it .........

    Africa

    Americas

    MesoamericaEdit

    Mid North America

    South America

    Asia

    Central Asia

    East Asia

    Indian subcontinent

    Europe

    Middle East

    Pacific Islands/Oceanic


    "We are all atheists about most of the gods humanity has believed in. Some of us just go one god further."  *Richard Dawkins*
  • RickeyDRickeyD 212 Pts
    edited December 2
    @AlofRI ; In your atheism, which a denomination of the religion of Naturalism-Secular Humanism, you also trust in the god of pantheism, nature-the creation even though you cannot empirically deny the God of the Universe, Jesus Christ-Yeshua. Your lesser god, Dawkins, has clearly articulated that it is not possible to disprove the God of the Universe. It's not that you're somehow "intelligent" in your foolishness of atheism but simply the truism that you love your flesh, your aberrant desires more than Truth; therefore, you will reap what you sow in both Time and Eternity.

    7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.  Galatians 6:7-8 (NASB)



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