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What's more harmful to the Public overall?
in Religion

By TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
The non religious ideologues, and their messages, or messaging tactics?

Or the False Religious ideologues, who have corrupted any Religion, to manipulate, or to corrupt, the Public with it, via their False Religious messages, or messaging tactics?

Or any Religion, when it's not being individually corrupted or manipulated to self serv, those corrupt or manipulative individuals, who (USE) any Religion to "falsely indoctrinate," people, with their False Religious Coup's? 

When any individual uses any Religion, in a non Religious way, that's basically A Religious Coup, because when some humans want to control other's, they have to corrupt or manipulate something, to suit or benefit their individual corrupt or manipulative mindsets?

So when it comes to some and how they use any Religion against others, that's the difference, between those who respect any Religion, and refrain from corrupting, or manipulating any Religion, for their own gains?

Like Jim Jones, and how he manipulated, or corrupted Religion, for his own benefits, or self gains?

For the most part, the majority of Religious people, respect Religion in general, and don't go about manipulating Religion, like Jim Jones did?

If anyone has a problem, with any Religious building, within the confines of their own neighborhoods, then call the Police, or the FBI, and report your grievances to them?

Because when it comes to any Religion, and it not being used by those false religious individuals, to corrupt people with it?

The Public overall, gets to see the difference, between any Religion being treated in a peaceful way, versus in a destructive way, like Jim Jones did?
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  • The most destructive and harmful entity/ideology/worldview to American society is the rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord in our Nation and our compromise with Atheism-Secularism-Moral Relativism via Progressive Socialism. America appears to be healthy when observing our Nation from the outside inward but when one has eyes to see and ears to hear, America is decaying at its core in apostasy via unconscionable murder of its posterity in the womb; embarrassing and shameful unrestrained sexual perversion that is destroying America's posterity and Her future; the infusion of Socialistic-Communist thought into America's mainstream via revisionist history and Darwin's idiocy - evolution forced upon America's children in the classrooms across our Nation. America has lost two-to-three generations of her youth via thorough brainwashing/deceit in Darwinism/Socialism...it is these deceived "useful idiots" of the bourgeoisie who are now entering the voting booth and selecting death and Hell for America's future via the Progressive-Democrat Party of abortion-sexual perversion-socialism.

    Religion is deception and death to any people, any Nation, as is the religions of Atheism-Secularism-Evolution-Naturalism-Secular Humanism. Religion is replete with apostates extending from Catholicism to the death cult of Islam. There is only one-Hope and one-Way and one-Life and one-Truth that will heal the Nations and bring authentic love among the people in peace, Jesus Christ-Yeshua as Lord in the hearts of the overwhelming majority; unfortunately, this truism will not be realized until the coming Millennial Reign of our Lord. Unfortunately, many alive today will have passed from the Age of Grace in Time to hopeless in Hades-Sheol/Torments in Eternity awaiting the Judgment of the Condemned because they foolishly denied the Lord of Life, Jesus Christ.


    Happy_Killbotsmoothie
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 382 Pts
    edited December 3
    There is a trade off between gullibility and unification of ideas. The more open minded people are, the easier ideas spread but the more dangerous ideas or misinformation can spread. The more close minded people are, the harder it is for useful knowledge to spread.

    https://ncase.me/crowds/

    What is dangerous is the misinformation and the people who use it for some unethical end.

    RickeyD said:
    Religion is deception and death to any people,. 

    I think this says all.
    DeePlaffelvohfen
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation, Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root and developed into the human race, who conquered fire, built societies and developed technology .
    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism

    "Criticism of atheism"


    "Criticism of atheism is criticism of the concepts, validity, or impact of atheism, including associated political and social implications. Criticisms include positions based on the history of science, findings in the natural sciencestheistic apologetic arguments, arguments pertaining to ethics and morality, the effects of atheism on the individual, or the assumptions that underpin atheism.

    Various contemporary agnostics like Carl Sagan[1] and theists such as Dinesh D'Souza[2] have criticised atheism for being an unscientific position. Analytic philosopher Alvin Plantinga, Professor of Philosophy Emeritus at the University of Notre Dame, argues that a failure of theistic arguments might conceivably be good grounds for agnosticism, but not for atheism; and points to the observation of an apparently "fine-tuned universe" as more likely to be explained by theism than atheism. Oxford Professor of Mathematics John Lennox holds that atheism is an inferior world view to that of theism and attributes to C.S. Lewis the best formulation of Merton's thesis that science sits more comfortably with theistic notions on the basis that Men became scientific in Western Europe in the 16th and 17th century "[b]ecause they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a lawgiver.' In other words, it was belief in God that was the motor that drove modern science". American geneticist Francis Collins also cites Lewis as persuasive in convincing him that theism is the more rational world view than atheism.

    Other criticisms focus on perceived effects on morality and social cohesion. The Enlightenment philosopher Voltaire, a deist, saw godlessness as weakening "the sacred bonds of society", writing: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him". The father of classical liberalismJohn Locke, believed that the denial of God's existence would undermine the social order and lead to chaos. Edmund Burke, an 18th-century Irish philosopher and statesman praised by both his conservative and liberal peers for his "comprehensive intellect", saw religion as the basis of civil society and wrote that "man is by his constitution a religious animal; that atheism is against, not only our reason, but our instincts; and that it cannot prevail long". Pope Pius XI wrote that Communist atheism was aimed at "upsetting the social order and at undermining the very foundations of Christian civilization". In the 1990s, Pope John Paul II criticised a spreading "practical atheism" as clouding the "religious and moral sense of the human heart" and leading to societies which struggle to maintain harmony.[3]

    The advocacy of atheism by some of the more violent exponents of the French Revolution, the subsequent militancy of Marxist–Leninist atheism and prominence of atheism in totalitarian states formed in the 20th century is often cited in critical assessments of the implications of atheism. In his Reflections on the Revolution in France, Burke railed against "atheistical fanaticism". The 1937 papal encyclical Divini Redemptoris denounced the atheism of the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, which was later influential in the establishment of state atheism across Eastern Europe and elsewhere, including Mao Zedong's China, Kim's North Korea and Pol Pot's Cambodia. Critics of atheism often associate the actions of 20th-century state atheism with broader atheism in their critiques. Various poets, novelists and lay theologians, among them G. K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis, have also criticized atheism. For example, a quote often attributed to Chesterton holds that "[h]e who does not believe in God will believe in anything".[4] "

    The above information, Publicly speaks for itself. 

  • @TKDB ; @Plaffelvohfen said..."Disingenuousness & Lying... 2 things the OP is an adept of..."

    I have discovered a rather consistent theme among the hoards of atheists, progressive socialists in our World e.g. whatever they accuse you of is exactly what they're doing in secret.  Remember you're dealing with Satan's emissaries in these pages of darkness. There will come a time of reckoning...



    PlaffelvohfenTKDB
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 878 Pts
    edited December 3

    You both have  some serious contempt for Atheists. But I bet what you hate the most about Atheists is that there are more of them that know far more about religion including the ones you follow than what you do? And man, that's gotta suck hasn't it?
    Happy_KillbotPlaffelvohfen

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • @ZeusAres42 ; I hate Atheism and do have sorrowful contempt for the Atheist as they are a metastasizing cancer in American society...a society that my grandson will mature in and a society that I have spent 33-years serving in combination with the US Marine Corps Infantry and the Houston Police Department.

    Atheists are Satan's emissaries in Time and in combination with the Socialist bourgeoisie - globalist progressive elites polluting America's moral values via abortion; sexual perversion; socialism; open borders; liberal policies advocating criminality in our municipalities; attacks on the 1st-2nd-4th-5th-14th Amendments; America will surely die in liberal apostasy and it is the Atheist that is indicative of God's wrath on the American people. God has given the American people what they wanted...the right to kill their babies for convenience; the right to engage in every form of sexual perversity known to mankind; therefore, the Atheist now vomits their demonic rhetoric and their demonic sexual perversity and they shed the blood of innocence without shame or care.

    You represent generations of youth in America that have been brainwashed by socialists elites beginning with John Dewey in 1900 up through our modern-day educators and globalists and politicians who hate America, hate America's founding and teach socialism and Darwinism as the Gospel of Satan, America's new god. America's Constitutional Republic cannot be sustained when the Atheistic ideology of "moral relativism" is the prevailing mindset among the American people.

    Our Constitution was created for a moral and religious people only and the experiment of a representative democracy with a very limited government thereby maximizing freedom to and for the people...this form of limited government intervention equating to freedom for the people can only exist when the society so governed possesses the restraint of the Holy Spirit in their heart to battle the sin-nature, the narcissism, present in each of us. Atheism wars against sustainable mores, norms, values, essential to our Constitutional Republic; therefore, Atheism is death to America and the Atheist is a curse upon the Biblical American family unit i.e. the basic bed-rock foundation for a healthy and happy and sustainable American culture! 



     




  • RickeyD said:
    @ZeusAres42 ; I hate Atheism and do have sorrowful contempt for the Atheist as they are a metastasizing cancer in American society...a society that my grandson will mature in and a society that I have spent 33-years serving in combination with the US Marine Corps Infantry and the Houston Police Department.

    Atheists are Satan's emissaries in Time and in combination with the Socialist bourgeoisie - globalist progressive elites polluting America's moral values via abortion; sexual perversion; socialism; open borders; liberal policies advocating criminality in our municipalities; attacks on the 1st-2nd-4th-5th-14th Amendments; America will surely die in liberal apostasy and it is the Atheist that is indicative of God's wrath on the American people. God has given the American people what they wanted...the right to kill their babies for convenience; the right to engage in every form of sexual perversity known to mankind; therefore, the Atheist now vomits their demonic rhetoric and their demonic sexual perversity and they shed the blood of innocence without shame or care.

    You represent generations of youth in America that have been brainwashed by socialists elites beginning with John Dewey in 1900 up through our modern-day educators and globalists and politicians who hate America, hate America's founding and teach socialism and Darwinism as the Gospel of Satan, America's new god. America's Constitutional Republic cannot be sustained when the Atheistic ideology of "moral relativism" is the prevailing mindset among the American people.

    Our Constitution was created for a moral and religious people only and the experiment of a representative democracy with a very limited government thereby maximizing freedom to and for the people...this form of limited government intervention equating to freedom for the people can only exist when the society so governed possesses the restraint of the Holy Spirit in their heart to battle the sin-nature, the narcissism, present in each of us. Atheism wars against sustainable mores, norms, values, essential to our Constitutional Republic; therefore, Atheism is death to America and the Atheist is a curse upon the Biblical American family unit i.e. the basic bed-rock foundation for a healthy and happy and sustainable American culture! 

    What happened to following Jesus Christ who was accepting of everyone, all creeds, colors, and religions? The guy that was all-forgiving? That Jesus guy who had no hate? Also, that Jesus guy that didn't believe everything everyone told him beforehand? Jesus Christ, who advised people to try and not be part of the flock of sheep that just followed everyone else?


    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 2310 Pts
    edited December 3
    What is most harmful to the society is lack of ultimate respect for logic and its substitution for dogmatism. When the society discards the logical method, such as the one proposed by Socrates, or the one systematised by Aristotle, and accepts the idea that some things are just true and unquestionable - then the structure of the society crumbles, and it becomes weak and prone for manipulation by power hungry individuals, as well as incapable of progressing technologically and intellectually.

    In order for the individual, and hence the society as a whole, to evolve, the individual should always question their preconceptions and subject every considered notion to rigorous logical analysis. Societies that do not evolve fade away and die, giving way to societies that have better adapted to the changes in the world.

    Religion by its design is not based on logic, but on a rigid set of ideas that are taken as absolute and unquestionable. Religion may evolve over time, but at its core it remains the same static entity. Religion is death of intellectualism.

    Whether religion leads to destruction or not depends on the religion, on the society practising, and on the place the society finds itself in the global world. But what religion certainly does lead to is intellectual and cultural stagnation, lack of economical and technological development, and low resistance to tyrants. It is no surprise that the Western civilisation barely developed throughout approximately 1000 years, until the Enlightenment doctrine came and common people made a dramatic leap in just 300 years from absolute misery to the prosperity unknown previously even to kings.

    Saudi Arabia or North Korea show well what happens when ideological dogmatism triumphs over logic. Is it more harmful than anything you listed? Well, ask yourself where you would rather live: in the US, or there. There is your answer.
    PlaffelvohfenZeusAres42
  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    edited December 4
    @MayCaesar

    Dude, who are you lamenting to with the below Atheist oriented verbiage? 

    "What is most harmful to the society is lack of ultimate respect for logic and its substitution for dogmatism."

    "When the society discards the logical method, such as the one proposed by Socrates, or the one
    (systematised, spell check, is having an issue, with your word)
    by Aristotle, and accepts the idea that some things are just true and unquestionable - then the structure of the society crumbles, and it becomes weak and prone for manipulation by power hungry individuals, as well as incapable of progressing technologically and intellectually."

    What I'm seeing, are some biased Atheist individuals, who appear to be verbally persecuting those who are peaceful Religious Freedom seeking individuals?

    And, I'm not going to give a care, about what Socrates or Aristotle had to say, because some Atheists want to lament over their word's, and use their word's to platform their individual Atheist ideologies.

    I respect Family,
    I respect Adoption,
    I respect the Law,
    I respect the Community,
    I respect Religious Freedoms,
    and I respect those individual Atheists, who aren't persecuting those individuals who want to pursue their Religious Freedoms in a fair, equal, and unharmful way. 

    "Religion by its design is not based on logic, but on a rigid set of ideas that are taken as absolute and unquestionable."

    "Religion may evolve over time, but at its core it remains the same static entity. Religion is death of intellectualism."

    @MayCaesar, is any Religion telling you how to intellectually think, or how to intellectually live your life?

    My guess, is that how you think, or how you live is based on your individual perception of the word, "Intellect?"

    I've never witnessed in a Religious building, where logic, has been replaced by any Religious messaging, if that is maybe the perception, that you're trying to express? 

    Rape, Murder, Gun Violence Crimes, Abortion, and the other crimes, that some of humanity, has perpetrated against other's, is what the death of "Intellectualism," in reality looks like.
  • @TKDB

    There is no such thing as "verbal persecution". Regardless, I have said on numerous occasions that I have absolutely nothing against religious people. But a lot of those people just have to keep bothering everyone with their preachings, and when that happens, I respond in kind.

    If you do not like seeing answers that upset you, then you should not ask questions leading to those answers. You are the one who created this thread, expecting some form of discussion, I think, and I am merely providing an opportunity for such a discussion.
    ZeusAres42Plaffelvohfen
  • @MayCaesar

    @TKDB does not understand what atheism is. So you'll probably be better off telling him that you are person that is not an atheist but just someone that doesn't follow a Theistic religion and does not have any Theistic beliefs. 

    However, by doing this you may leave him bewildered as he can no longer use the word atheist as leverage.
    MayCaesarPlaffelvohfen

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • @MayCaesar

    @TKDB does not understand what atheism is. So you'll probably be better off telling him that you are person that is not an atheist but just someone that doesn't follow a Theistic religion and does not have any Theistic beliefs. 

    However, by doing this you may leave him bewildered as he can no longer use the word atheist as leverage.

    “It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullsh*t requires no such conviction…”
    ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science




  • TKDBTKDB 355 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    "TKDB does not understand what atheism is." 

    "So you'll probably be better off telling him that you are person that is not an atheist but just someone that doesn't follow a Theistic religion and does not have any Theistic beliefs."

    "However, by doing this you may leave him bewildered as he can no longer use the word atheist as leverage."
    (What does this language have to do with the theme of the forum ZeusAre42?)

    It has ZERO to do with the theme ZeusAres42. 


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

    The very definition of Atheism.

    "atheism

    athe·​ism | \ ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm  \

    Definition of atheism

    1a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
    b: a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods."
  • @TKDB

    I've stated many times simple logical conclusions that outline a discrepancy with the word religion.

    First, religion is a word used in tandem or in context by people who throw everything suggested to be supernatural under an umbrella term ,religion, without knowing it's definition.

    How can you assert what's religious without even understanding it's actual definition or etymology?

    Christianity is not religion based on the actual definition of the word.

    The definition of religion excludes Christianity.

    Events are not defined as

    1.thoughts
    2.beliefs
    3.contemplation

    The word religion stems from the Greek word religio meaning deep contemplation or thought.

    CHRISTIANITYS based on events, historical accuracy and legitimate evidence. You can't classify it as religion or belief.

    Plain and SIMPLE.

    You don't call adolescents adults because of what specifically defines the difference.

    I've grown tired of the overwhelming ignorance of people who have no basic understanding of words or their meaning.

    Jesus is God.




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