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Is Atheism - LGBTQ - Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) a Sign of God's Wrath on American Society?

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Remember: There is forgiveness for homosexuality-lesbianism if the participant is willing to repent i.e. turn away from sin and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Mediator for sin and receive the Holy Spirit of Promise thereby entering into a relationship with God the Father forever (Romans 10:9-10). There is no other way to find life in God's Kingdom except by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord (John 14:6).

The Text, in Context: Romans 1:18-32...


18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Discussion

The Apostle Paul, narrating through Tertius of Iconium (also Tertios) acting as an amanuensis for Paul, by the power and wisdom of the Holy Spirit, describes a society of people upon which God pours-out His wrath for disobedience, unbelief.  The context is initiated by describing those who lie to God, to their fellowman, to them self, "the atheist," by denying what they intuitively know to be Truth; that is, God's validity - our Creator's reality v. 18 through v. 25.

In response to the foolishness of the atheist, God initiates a progressive "falling away" in both spiritual death manifesting in physiological - ethical/moral corruption. Because the atheist denies what they intuitively know to be Truth concerning our Creator, the Holy Spirit refers to the atheist as "fools" in v. 22 and it is atheistic pride and arrogance in their rebellion that manifest in foolishness as they worship "naturalism" (that which is created) (modern day evolution) in rejection of God's truth in the creation narrative v. 25.

The depth of rebellion/arrogance in foolishness relevant to the atheist is only the beginning of God's wrath on the unbeliever as God gives the atheist over to pursue the evil bound-up in their heart as an enemy of God and an ally of Satan. This is where we see the evil inherent in homosexuality-lesbianism v. 24-26-27.  It is participation in the unconscionable deception of homosexuality-lesbianism that is the tell-tale sign of not only "the fool" but the wicked in heart, thought, deed and it is rampant, unrestrained, sexual immorality in a society that is the tell-tale sign of God's wrath on said society.

As the homosexual-lesbian continue in their rebellion to our righteous and just God, God gives them over to a "depraved/debased mind" as the psychological tragedy of "diminishing returns" inherent in sexual immorality leads to progressively increasing tragic and tangible wickedness as these demonically inspired deeds are articulated in v. 28 - v. 32.

Yes, v. 26-27 of Romans 1 speak to the sin and unconscionable immorality of homosexuality-lesbianism and inherent within this Scripture is the sin of considering this abomination as a marriage covenant.

Remember: There is forgiveness for homosexuality-lesbianism if the participant is willing to repent i.e. turn away from sin and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Mediator for sin and receive the Holy Spirit of Promise thereby entering into a relationship with God the Father forever (Romans 10:9-10). There is no other way to find life in God's Kingdom except by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord (John 14:6).





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  • YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 669 Pts   -  
    Hate is the ultimate abomination.
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    Ok, I am now fully convinced that @RickeyD is a closet gay.
    Plaffelvohfensmoothie
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 669 Pts   -  
    Ok, I am now fully convinced that @RickeyD is a closet gay.
    Me too/
  • smoothiesmoothie 434 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    I hope it is god's wrath.... againt ignorant fake christians like you that rally against innocent people. I hope it is a personal message from god that your hate is a disgrace to christianity.

    That would be great
    why so serious?
  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne Gold Premium Member 1638 Pts   -   edited December 2019
    @RickeyD

    "Is Atheism - LGBTQ - Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) a Sign of God's Wrath on American Society?"


    No, it is a sign of progress. 

    Atheism is the end result of skepticism or absence of religious indoctrination.

    Obergefell v. Hodges and LGBT rights in general is simply an acknowledgement that all people are equal. 

    Religious views are insufficient reason to deny treating others as equals. LGBT (whether created by a god or not) are accepting and embracing their nature. Any god claimed to be omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent who would also demand his creations act contrary to how he made them would be a d1ck and ultimately logically absurd. (Ie. Not real).
    smoothie
    A supreme being is just like a normal being...but with sour cream and black olives.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @SkepticalOne ; Atheism is a religion for the foolish, the sodomite, those who froth over the murder of babies in the womb, socialists-communists. Atheism is not progress, it's death of the mind, body, soul, relevant to those so deceived and the Atheist is a servant of Satan in naivete and spiritual ignorance. Atheism is a metastasizing boil on the butt of any society and the mentally handicapped atheist is destroying America's Constitutional Republic.


    smoothie
  • @RickeyD

    Your opinion (and failure to address the substance of my reply) has been noted. Have a nice day!
    A supreme being is just like a normal being...but with sour cream and black olives.
  • smoothiesmoothie 434 Pts   -   edited December 2019

    Remember: There is forgiveness for homophobia if the participant is willing to repent i.e. turn away from blind faith and accept that not everybody will follow your religion or be straight, and people will resort to factual evidence instead of your religion (Smoothie 1:1). There is no way the government will blindly discriminate against anybody because it is un-american and unconstitutional (Smoothie 2:2).
    why so serious?
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -  
    @SkepticalOne ; I have responded, you lack the ability to understand...you're an atheist. You exist without hope!






    smoothie
  • RickeyD said:
    @SkepticalOne ; I have responded, you lack the ability to understand...you're an atheist. You exist without hope!






    I *hope* you have a nice day! ;-p
    A supreme being is just like a normal being...but with sour cream and black olives.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 6020 Pts   -  
    Of course it is. Waukeen wants to punish America. For too long it has been a puritan kingdom full of sexual prudes and moralists. Now she is coming here, with a whip and handcuffs. She will punish you, bad boys and girls, just as you deserve!

    Repent, with bows and moans! Call her your mistress and ask her to punish you even harder, if you want to have a chance at the job interview at her harem!
    smoothieSkepticalOne
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