was jesus an essene?

AlofRI

It's immaterial to me. I feel certain Jesus existed, but, the interesting line to me was where it said "...……… he grew up to be a MAN." I think that statement was "right on". Still, investigating the history may someday prove that he WAS.

JulesKorngold

Jesus was very likely insane.

maxx

jesus in those days was a very common name. As well most people back then had no last names; save for the nobility. mainly people were called from what they worked at or where they came from. I think that jesus was blown completely out of proportion since he was written about.it is quite possible he was but a philosopher, or a street magician. jesus never created a religion. he probably went to an eastern school in where he learned many philosophical works. The teachings he taught his followers strongly resembles the beliefs of the Essenes..

just_sayin

@maxx
A couple of observations to bust your bubble, Maxx.

1) Jesus family were part of the Davidic line. Further, Jesus' relative, uncle Zechariah, was a priest, so Jesus would not have been an Essene.

2) The writers of the gospels and the first disciples mention Nazareth, and the old Testament mentions a Nazarite vow. They are unlikely to have mentioned a town that didn't exist.

3) Excavations in Nazareth have uncovered artifacts and structures from the time of Jesus, including a residential building discovered in 2009, which dates back to the late Hellenistic and Early Roman periods (late 2nd century BC to early or mid 2nd century AD).

RickeyHoltsclaw

@maxx ; Jesus is God - Elohim - our Creator, Warrior, Messiah, Judge and without Jesus as your Messiah to mediate your sin before the Father you will die in Hell in the "second death."

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maxx

regardless if he was or was not an Essene, he was influenced by them and his teachings. Essenes: The origins of Christianity lie in this ancient Jewish sect - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com) you have to remember that jesus was not a christain; he was a jew. also there are many stories in the bible that are just copies of earlier texts and rewritten to conform to the bible.We can easily see this by comparing the flood and gilgamesh. As well i would like you to wrap your eyes around the following link. similarities between jesus and horus - Search (bing.com) @just_sayin

just_sayin

@maxx

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you have to remember that jesus was not a christain; he was a jew.

Huh? Christ is the founder of Christianity. It's in the name and everything. The teachings and resurrection of Jesus are essential to Christianity. Jesus came from a Jewish tradition, that is indeed true, but do remember that he was rejected by the Jews, as were his followers.

Similarities between Jesus and Horus

SMH.

Jesus was born of virgin, Horus was conceived when Osiris shot his load into the air, even though his penis had been destroyed and hit a bird who was Isis.

Jesus' earthly parents were Mary and Joseph. Horus parents were both Egyptian gods.

There are eye witnesses of Jesus, his resurrection, and his miracles. There are no eye witnesses of Horus.

Jesus is worshipped as the singular God in Christianity (trinity). Whereas Horus is no longer worshipped by anyone and was part of a pantheon of gods.

Jesus arose from the dead. Horus did not have a material resurrection - nor did his father Osiris, who remained in the land of the dead - without a penis. Jesus' manhood is intact.

Except for all the details, they are exactly alike /s/.

In summary, while there may be some superficial similarities, there isn't a direct parallel between Horus rising from the dead and the resurrection of Jesus as described in Christian tradition. The claimed similarities often result from misinterpretations or oversimplifications of Egyptian mythology.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@maxx ; There are no earlier texts of a Flood...you are a lost and dying atheist without knowledge or hope as you have sold your soul to the devil.

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Factfinder

@just_sayin

They are unlikely to have mentioned a town that didn't exist.

Of course the bible isn't evidence in of itself. So it doesn't really matter.

Jesus was born of virgin

This is a red flag that cast light on the fact the accredited authors may not have existed, or at least not all of them. Matthew quoting Isaiah 7:14 is in error as Isaiah chp,7 is about Ahaz being surrounded by his enemies and god supposedly had a plan that a maiden or young woman has conceived and the situation will be resolved before the child is weaned. Just another one of those pesky erroneous translations of 'the infallible word of god' I guess. Anyway some keep the word 'virgin' as it could mean young girl in Hebrew but other translators changed it to more precise wording that better fits the context...

Isaiah 7:14:13-17 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 7&version=NIV

And...

Then he said: Listen, house of David! Is it not enough that you weary human beings? Must you also weary my God?

14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign;* the young woman, pregnant and about to bear a son, shall name him Emmanuel.

15Curds and honey* he will eat so that he may learn to reject evil and choose good;

16for before the child learns to reject evil and choose good, the land of those two kings whom you dread shall be deserted.

17The LORD shall bring upon you and your people and your father’s house such days as have not come since Ephraim seceded* from Judah (the king of Assyria).

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/isaiah/7

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

@just_sayin

They are unlikely to have mentioned a town that didn't exist.

Of course the bible isn't evidence in of itself. So it doesn't really matter.

Jesus was born of virgin

This is a red flag that cast light on the fact the accredited authors may not have existed, or at least not all of them. Matthew quoting Isaiah 7:14 is in error as Isaiah chp,7 is about Ahaz being surrounded by his enemies and god supposedly had a plan that a maiden or young woman has conceived and the situation will be resolved before the child is weaned. Just another one of those pesky erroneous translations of 'the infallible word of god' I guess. Anyway some keep the word 'virgin' as it could mean young girl in Hebrew but other translators changed it to more precise wording that better fits the context...

Isaiah 7:14:13-17 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 7&version=NIV

And...
Then he said: Listen, house of David! Is it not enough that you weary human beings? Must you also weary my God?
14Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign;* the young woman, pregnant and about to bear a son, shall name him Emmanuel.
15Curds and honey* he will eat so that he may learn to reject evil and choose good;
16for before the child learns to reject evil and choose good, the land of those two kings whom you dread shall be deserted.
17The LORD shall bring upon you and your people and your father’s house such days as have not come since Ephraim seceded* from Judah (the king of Assyria).

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/isaiah/7

The terms young woman and virgin were indeed used interchangeably in that culture. A problem for your argument is that the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, uses a very specific word that can only mean virgin, centuries BEFORE Jesus was born.

Factfinder

@just_sayin

The terms young woman and virgin were indeed used interchangeably in that culture. A problem for your argument is that the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, uses a very specific word that can only mean virgin, centuries BEFORE Jesus was born.

Which was an inaccurate translation as context trumps all. For you to be right you need to show two virgin births happened then. Which is worse for your argument then cause claiming the greeks had it right means the Hebrews meant two virgin births. As if it is supposed to be a virgin birth in the days of Ahaz, it didn't happen. Another faulty prophesy of the bible is all you have and If it wasn't intended to read as a virgin birth then the author of Matthew didn't quote the verses or their implications correctly. And the virgin birth of Christ is erroneous. Which is it? Isaiah 7 says nothing of Jesus's birth as the context of that chapter has nothing to do with a coming messiah of mankind as he didn't show up till centuries later and Isaiah 7 told Ahaz his problem will be over before THAT child in his day was weaned. No matter what the context in Isaiah 7 doesn't support your argument.

Joeseph

@just_sayin

@just_sayin is still in a rage it seems ........

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Ahh poor ole Just Lying gets pummelled in debate again and resorts to his usual pathetic remarks about his obsession .... sizes.......stop blaming me on your miniscule size that's on your abusive old man who dragged up up to be a panting perv ( like him ) who cannot post a piece without obsessing about his size........bwahahahahaha

just_sayin

Joeseph said:

@just_sayin

@just_sayin is still in a rage it seems ........

Trigger Warning - Content contains references to chopped off male manhood. Little @Dee you may not want to read this*****

Ahh poor ole Just Lying gets pummelled in debate again and resorts to his usual pathetic remarks about his obsession .... sizes.......stop blaming me on your miniscule size that's on your abusive old man who dragged up up to be a panting perv ( like him ) who cannot post a piece without obsessing about his size........bwahahahahaha

Why do you get so upset when little @Dee's name comes up??? And what does "stop blaming me on your miniscule size" refer to? Whose blaming you for anything? You are connected to Little @Dee's micro manhood, are you?

I laughed out loud when I read your comment on my dad. This may be TMI but he he did not have a little d. His issues arose because he was on the other end of the scale. He was never circumcised as a kid, and had to be circumcised 3 times as an adult for health issues. OUCH!!! It hurts me just to think about. Poor little @Dee would be a Eunuch if that happened to him. LOL

just_sayin

@maxx
I happened to read something today that does support that Jesus may have interacted with Essenes. The article said that John the Baptist was influenced by them. A problem with the theory though is that it was the Nasurai who practiced water baptism in and around Jordan where John the Baptist baptized people. It seems more likely he may have been influenced by them, but I wanted to mention to you that I saw an article claiming John the Baptist was influenced by the Essenes.

maxx

The Egyptians were notorious record keepers..They recorded almost everything.They were also a world and social power. Perhaps jesus never went there, but if he existed, the news would have reached them; yet they have no written record of him. Just like the exodus. Such a huge event would have been recorded, yet Egypt has no records of it, nor is there any archeological evidence. The desert is a preservative, and such a huge about of people traveling for 40 years would have made an imprint upon the desert; yet there is none. so this story may have been much smaller and simply embellished; or it never happened, or was borrowed from and earlier event in history. @just_sayin

just_sayin

maxx said:

The Egyptians were notorious record keepers..They recorded almost everything.They were also a world and social power. Perhaps jesus never went there, but if he existed, the news would have reached them; yet they have no written record of him. Just like the exodus. Such a huge event would have been recorded, yet Egypt has no records of it, nor is there any archeological evidence. The desert is a preservative, and such a huge about of people traveling for 40 years would have made an imprint upon the desert; yet there is none. so this story may have been much smaller and simply embellished; or it never happened, or was borrowed from and earlier event in history. @just_sayin

Why would Egyptians have kept records of a family of 3 from Nazareth? Jesus went there when he was an infant/toddler for just a short time.

An Egyptian priest and historian who lived in the third century BCE wrote an account of the Exodus that includes the events of Pharaoh Amenophis ordering the removal of lepers and other "impure people" from Egypt, and sending his son Ramesses into exile.

The Ipuwer Papyrus, also known as The Admonitions of Ipuwer, is an ancient Egyptian poem that may provide an independent record of the ten plagues of Egypt. It is eerily 10 plagues. It was written by an Egyptian named Ipuwer and is thought to be an eyewitness account of the effects of the plagues. The papyrus describes violent upheavals in Egypt, and its pattern follows the 10 plagues.

Joeseph

@just_sayin

The Ipuwer Papyrus, also known as The Admonitions of Ipuwer, is an ancient Egyptian poem that may provide an independent record of the ten plagues of Egypt. It is eerily 10 plagues. It was written by an Egyptian named Ipuwer and is thought to be an eyewitness account of the effects of the plagues. The papyrus describes violent upheavals in Egypt, and its pattern follows the 10 plagues.

Utter nonsense , you just cannot help lying can you? Dont worry i enjoy correcting your lies ,

Ipuwer has often been put forward in popular literature as confirmation of the biblical account of the Exodus, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" and its frequent references to servants running away. This assertion has not gained acceptance among the majority of scholars. There are disparities between Ipuwer and the narrative in the Book of Exodus, such as that the papyrus describes the Asiatics as arriving in Egypt rather than leaving. The papyrus' statement that the "river is blood" phrase may refer to the red sediment colouring the Nile during disastrous floods, or simply be a poetic image of turmoil.[11]

Wiki

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ; @Maxx You will trust in Jesus as your Messiah and LIVE or you'll trust in your own arrogance and self-righteousness and die in Hell in your sin (John 8:24). I am fully aware that Catholicism destroyed your faith...you were subjected to a religious cult and its deception but you're throwing life away because of this deception. Jesus, an intimate, personal, relationship with Him apart from any "religion" is your only Hope. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face?

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maxx

I really believe that you should actually read the entire papyrus before just accept the similarities as fact. Whoever compiled that chart, simply took all the similarities to the plagues out of context with the poem, put them a different order in where it would resemble what the Bible says. Read the entire poem in order and it tells a much different story. @just_sayin

just_sayin

maxx said:

I really believe that you should actually read the entire papyrus before just accept the similarities as fact. Whoever compiled that chart, simply took all the similarities to the plagues out of context with the poem, put them a different order in where it would resemble what the Bible says. Read the entire poem in order and it tells a much different story. @just_sayin

Maxx, Are you sure we haven't had this discussion before? I lose track with whom I've discussed what. The poem is about a 10 minute read - here is a version of it for you. (Note: the ellipses indicate missing fragments)

https://www.bibleblender.com/2020/biblical-lessons/biblical-history/ancient-texts/complete-translation-ancient-egypt-ipuwer-papyrus

It is a lament. At least 4 of the 10 plagues seem to be mentioned. Interesting to me is that the poem was preserved (though lots of sections are missing) even though it was not sanctioned by Pharoah. It is rare to find a country depicting national suffering that resulted in dead members of the royal family from antiquity, outside of Israel. Egypt was a major power of the time, and image meant a lot to them. The context doesn't fit the context the frequent flooding of the Nile.

Is the poem definitely about the Exodus - hard to say. There is a lot of it missing. There are references to rivers of blood, killing of livestock, pestilence, trees being stripped of their limbs by nature(possibly by hail), servants ending up with the rich's jewelry, and the death of Egyptian royalty and poor alike. That's a lot of oddly specific biblical like coincidences in it in a relatively short poem.

Fredsnephew

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@maxx

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Factfinder

Ipuwer has often been put forward in popular literature as confirmation of the biblical account of the Exodus, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" and its frequent references to servants running away. This assertion has not gained acceptance among the majority of scholars. There are disparities between Ipuwer and the narrative in the Book of Exodus, such as that the papyrus describes the Asiatics as arriving in Egypt rather than leaving. The papyrus' statement that the "river is blood" phrase may refer to the red sediment colouring the Nile during disastrous floods, or simply be a poetic image of turmoil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer_Papyrus#:~:text=Ipuwer has often been put,a poetic image of turmoil.@just_sayin

maxx

rivers of blood. have you ever seen the nile in full flood; carrying huge amounts of red clay, and seen what color the water is? another thing here is that the story of the exodus could just have easily been borrowed from the poem; instead of the other way around. You appear to enjoy the similarities when they support the bible; but how about the similarities of the bible that support other ancient works? Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia.pdf (archive.org) @just_sayin and again i ask, just where is the archeological evidence?

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

Ipuwer has often been put forward in popular literature as confirmation of the biblical account of the Exodus, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" and its frequent references to servants running away. This assertion has not gained acceptance among the majority of scholars. There are disparities between Ipuwer and the narrative in the Book of Exodus, such as that the papyrus describes the Asiatics as arriving in Egypt rather than leaving. The papyrus' statement that the "river is blood" phrase may refer to the red sediment colouring the Nile during disastrous floods, or simply be a poetic image of turmoil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer_Papyrus#:~:text=Ipuwer has often been put,a poetic image of turmoil.@just_sayin

The 'Barbarians' that go into Egypt do so AFTER the calamity. it was an indication of how weakened the nation of Egypt had become. That's not till section 3, AFTER the many burials have occurred.

Considering it is dated at about 50 to 350 years after Moses lead Israel out of Egypt, it seems unlikely that a term like 'the river is blood' would be used, since it was so identified with the Exodus event.

Again, the poem may be about something else altogether, but a flood doesn't really fit well.

For possible evidence of Israel's Exodus from Egypt see:

“Exodus Evidence: An Egyptologist Looks at Biblical History”

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/chronological-categories/exodus-era/4919-top-ten-discoveries-related-to-moses-and-the-exod

This article is neither pro nor anti Exodus and mentions multiple threads of evidence:

https://ihare.org/2022/01/31/what-do-egyptologists-think-of-the-exodus/

This article mentions ancient Egyptian historian Monatho who portrays the Exodus as real and cites temple records.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-important-events/great-exodus-002295

@FactFinder, I know you don't care about evidence - after all you are an atheist - and atheism isn't based on evidence. This is for anyone who does care about possible evidence.

Factfinder

just_sayin said:

Factfinder said:

Ipuwer has often been put forward in popular literature as confirmation of the biblical account of the Exodus, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" and its frequent references to servants running away. This assertion has not gained acceptance among the majority of scholars. There are disparities between Ipuwer and the narrative in the Book of Exodus, such as that the papyrus describes the Asiatics as arriving in Egypt rather than leaving. The papyrus' statement that the "river is blood" phrase may refer to the red sediment colouring the Nile during disastrous floods, or simply be a poetic image of turmoil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer_Papyrus#:~:text=Ipuwer has often been put,a poetic image of turmoil.@just_sayin

The 'Barbarians' that go into Egypt do so AFTER the calamity. it was an indication of how weakened the nation of Egypt had become. That's not till section 3, AFTER the many burials have occurred.

Considering it is dated at about 50 to 350 years after Moses lead Israel out of Egypt, it seems unlikely that a term like 'the river is blood' would be used, since it was so identified with the Exodus event.

Again, the poem may be about something else altogether, but a flood doesn't really fit well.

For possible evidence of Israel's Exodus from Egypt see:

“Exodus Evidence: An Egyptologist Looks at Biblical History”

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/chronological-categories/exodus-era/4919-top-ten-discoveries-related-to-moses-and-the-exod

This article is neither pro nor anti Exodus and mentions multiple threads of evidence:

https://ihare.org/2022/01/31/what-do-egyptologists-think-of-the-exodus/

This article mentions ancient Egyptian historian Monatho who portrays the Exodus as real and cites temple records.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-important-events/great-exodus-002295

@FactFinder, I know you don't care about evidence - after all you are an atheist - and atheism isn't based on evidence. This is for anyone who does care about possible evidence.

I care about evidence and I know what evidence is. You don't. You accept anything at all with no real evidence as long as it can be woven into fantasy myth beliefs.

21CenturyIconoclast

.UPDATE FOR RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IN RUNNING AWAY FROM ATHEISTS:

September 7, 2024 regarding RickeyHoltsClaw’s LAME EXCUSES to not answer the Atheists posts, where there are 8 more, 54-61, at the bottom of the list provided!

Therefore, when RickeyHoltsClaw cannot defend his primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-Christian bible, he will go to great lengths in giving lame “grade-school excuses” to run away from his bible stoopidity, as explicitly shown below, to "buy time" in the hopes that the Atheists will forget about when he showed himself to be THE NUMBER ONE BIBLE STOOPID LOSER OF THIS RELIGION FORUM!!!

Here are a few of the many embarrassing "Runaway Excuses" that poor Rickey has to use because he is so god-damned bible dumb where he cannot respond in kind to the Atheists posts to him, and that own him and his Christianity with ease:

1. “Do you have a theological question or premise for me to respond too?”

”https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188639/#Comment_188639

2. “I have told you repeatedly that I don't do links...I'm not your slave...you are satan's slave...if you can state a legitimate theological premise...I will debate you; otherwise, Gish Gallop you coward.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188598/#Comment_188598 ;

3. “If you possessed the cognitive ability to actually provide a theological premise for debate...there would be no problem but you're lacking and needy and absent.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188371/#Comment_188371

4. “Still hiding behind links seeing that you're absent sufficient knowledge to formulate a premise...you're pathetic, atheist.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187992/#Comment_187992

5. You are cowards...you can't present a theological argument...you're spiritually ignorant and afraid…

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188199/#Comment_188199

6. “Is there a premise in that ignorant tirade?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188200/#Comment_188200

7. “You're not sufficiently intelligent to discern the World around you...you're a pathetic, spiritually ignorant, atheist. You're a demonic cult member.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188258/#Comment_188258

8. “Your daddy not providing rhetorical substance for you today?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188265/#Comment_188265

9. “Without Jesus, you will perish in Hell.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188275/#Comment_188275

10. “Can you articulate your concerns in a valid, succinct, premise? I don't chase links and I'm not your slave. You are the one that is headed to death in Hell, not me. If you have a sincere question, ask it.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187343/#Comment_187343

11. “Is there a debatable premise amongst that tyraid of demonic filth? Why be such a vulgar loser just because you're a mindless atheist?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187586/#Comment_187586 ;

12. “I don't do links...it you can manage sufficient brain cells to provide a premise, I'll debate you.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187623/#Comment_187623

13. “Is there a premise there> if so, what is it?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187729/#Comment_187729 ;

14. “Once again atheist, I am NOT your slave and I do not respond to links or your cowardly gish galloping; therefore, if you desire Biblical Truth in response to your atheistic ignorance, state a succinct and pointed theological premise and I will respond to your demonic intent; otherwise, I'm not chasing your arrogance and atheistic stup-idity”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/186924/#Comment_186924

15. “Can you articulate your concerns in a valid, succinct, premise? I don't chase links and I'm not your slave. You are the one that is headed to death in Hell, not me. If you have a sincere question, ask it.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/9983/does-the-noahic-flood-negate-the-reality-of-free-will-the-atheist-says-yes-what-is-the-truth/p3

16. “You are insane...get help!”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187730/#Comment_187730

17. “My "authority" flows from the Holy Spirit who indwells me. Your authority flows from the demon who indwells you. The Holy Spirit is Deity; your spirit is a fallen angel...you lose eternally.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188669/#Comment_188669

18. “No, you see nothing...you're absent wisdom and discernment. You are your father's fool (John 8:44).”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188257/#Comment_188257

19. “You must be on bottle 2? “

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188382/#Comment_188382

20. “That's because you're dead spiritually and irrelevant eternally.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188418/#Comment_188418

21. “If you reject Jesus, you have chosen eternal death...if you're good with that, enjoy.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187537/#Comment_187537

22. “I don't do links...why not end the silly obfuscation and stu-pid rhetoric and produce a premise for debate? Coward.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187537/#Comment_187537

23. “I don't do links...post a logical, debatable, premise, if that's possible for you, coward.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187599/#Comment_187599

24. “I don't do links...if you have a question, ask it, coward.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187614/#Comment_187614

25. “Is there a debateable premise in your demonic trash talk? If so, I don't see it...please try harder atheist”.

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187628/#Comment_187628

26. “You're just a stup-id, lying, deceiving, atheist...what do know about a brain?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187733/#Comment_187733

27. “You are to be pitied...you are Devil's fool.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187738/#Comment_187738

28. “I never have envied the mentally and spiritually ill...pitied yes, envied, no.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187782/#Comment_187782

29. “You mock and ridicule what you don't know but you will pay an eternal price for your arrogance”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187841/#Comment_187841

30. “There is One-Elohim and unless Jesus is your Messiah by faith, you will perish in Hell.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/185848/#Comment_185848

31. “Do you have one-point of theological contention you would like to discuss...I'm not your slave nor do I attempt to respond to cowardly gish-galloping.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/186056/#Comment_186056

32. “If you believe there is a "contradiction" in my Lord's words...state is openly and clearly...let's discuss it, atheist.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/186925/#Comment_186925

33. “You are free to reject your Creator's pardon from sin and die in Hell...that is your volitional option.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187029/#Comment_187029

34. “Atheism is a religion of fools, secular humanists, Darwninists, the demonic in origin.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187468/#Comment_187468

35. “You will both pay a horrible price at Judgment.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187605/#Comment_187605

36. “Do you have a debatable premise or is Gish Galloping your tactic to justify your path to Hell in atheism? Are you fearful of a legitimate premise that can be responded too?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/184389/#Comment_184389 ;

37. “Is there a singular debatable premise in there somewhere; if so, bring it forth.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/184395/#Comment_184395

38. “Those words that comprise the Scriptures will never fade away...they are eternal in their import and relevance and you will internalize them and live or deny them, mock them, and die in Hell.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/184592/#Comment_184592

39. “What you want atheist is irrelevant but what is Truth is relevant. You are but a vapor that is fading away by the second yet you "think" your opinions are paramount.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187077/#Comment_187077

40. “All atheists are cowards, fools, children in maturity and demons in reality...you have no option but to either avoid them or confront them with Truth.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187287/#Comment_187287

41. “I answered your question, you're too spiritually ignorant to respond with a theologically based argument therefore you repeat your error and your blasphemy...you are a horrible person.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/186057/#Comment_186057

42. “Religions, like atheism, secular humanism, are frauds....you should know this”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/184717/#Comment_184717

43. “Is there a debatable, succinct, premise in there somewhere that we can discuss?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/185344/#Comment_185344

44. “I don't receive your quotes as notifications....you're not worthy a debate...you're a drunk and a godless atheist who serves satan.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/185357/#Comment_185357

45. “Still waiting for a cognizant theological premise from you...your gish galloping is indicative of an atheistic coward.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/185572/#Comment_185572

46. “Simply waiting for you theologically ignorant atheists to present a debatable premise.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/186391/#Comment_186391

47. Is there a debateable premise in your demonic trash talk? If so, I don't see it...please try harder atheist.

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187628/#Comment_187628

48. “Again, ad nauseam...I am not your slave...you are the one headed to death in Hell, not me. When you present a logical and understandable premise..ONE at a time...I'll respond with my Lord's Truth but your Gish Galloping is a ruse for cowards...you are an atheistic coward and the devil's fool.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/187501/#Comment_187501

49. “Is there a debatable, succinct, premise in there somewhere that we can discuss?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/185344/#Comment_185344

50. “Ad nauseam. I don't do links nor do I honor Gish Galloping. If you desire a spiritually based, theologically relevant, response to a legitimate concern you have relevant to the Bible, just ask…"

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188951/#Comment_188951

51. “I don't do links and I've responded to your repeated, paste and copy questions...anything else?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189398/#Comment_189398

52. “No, the education you received was indoctrination...you are the devil's fool.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189319/#Comment_189319

53. “When you both stand in the Judgement of the Condemned (Revelation 20:11-15) tell Jesus that you trust in a child's cereal cartoon as your god...I'm sure all will be well.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/188967/#Comment_188967

54. “copy and paste? I don't do "links" and I don't respond to "gish galloping" by atheists headed to death in Hell in unbelief. If you can muster "a" debatable theological premise (one at a time), I'll be pleased to debate you; after all, it is YOU that is dying in spiritual ignorance…”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189479/#Comment_189479

55. “I don't do links nor do I respect "gish galloping" and other atheistic obfuscation. If you have the intelligence and understanding to draft a debatable theological premise, I will provide you with Biblical Truth; otherwise, enjoy your atheistic path to Hell.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189493/#Comment_189493

56. "You are unable cognitively to provide a debateable theological premise because you're mentally ill, demonically inclined and theologically ignorant. Please try harder...I don't do links. True and valid faith in Jesus forgives sin when accompanied by honest repentance with a sincere heart...Jesus knows the heart.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189396/#Comment_189396

57. “You have denied your only Hope for life...Jesus. You can't provide a sound and logical theological premise due your spiritual ignorance...I've attempted repeatedly to engage you but you continue to obfuscate in stup-idity and arrogance....you'll reap what you're sowing.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189397/#Comment_189397

58. “Still nothing but empty and irrelevant accusations...have you nothing of substance?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189638/#Comment_189638

59. “Is there a debatable premise in that demonic laden diatribe? Your demon must be especially aroused today, atheist?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189814/#Comment_189814

60. “Is there a debatable premise in that demonic diatribe?”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/189820/#Comment_189820

61. “Only the coward Gish Gallops debate sites...when and if you're ever sufficiently mature to forward a debatable theological premise...we can debate...but your atheistic arrogance and obfuscation make you laughable.”

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190688/#Comment_190688

SINCE RICKEYHOLTSCLAW WAS A FORMER COP, HERE IS AN APPROPRIATE IMAGE OF HIM

RUNNING AWAY FROM ATHEISTS POSTS TO HIM IN USING PRE-SCHOOL EXCUSES AS SHOWN ABOVE! ...... LOL!

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Factfinder

@21CenturyIconoclast

At the same time his partner, just_lyin is running from the thrashing he took when I debunked the virgin birth myth with his own bible as evidence in the links below. This same thread in fact, further up the page. He tries to use the ole Septuagint excuse but it backfired on him because the scripture doesn't support the virgin birth LOL...

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190519/#Comment_190519

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190528/#Comment_190528

Factfinder

@just_sayin

Come on @just_sayin, don't run and hide. Let's continue this line of exchanges. I thought we were making progress...

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190519/#Comment_190519

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190528/#Comment_190528

Now in order for your elf book to be true either there was two virgin births or none. Which is it? Note your erroneous elf book contends there is only 1 virgin birth despite language discrepancies and context of verses in question. Go...

MayCaesar

The Bible claims that the Earth was created in 7 days... Who cares what an old fantasy novel says about a character from 2,000 years ago? It is like trying to learn the art of war from reading about the battle against the Orcs in the Lord of the Rings.

Joeseph

@just_sayin

***Why do you get so upset when little @Dee's name comes up??? And what does "stop blaming me on your miniscule size" refer to? Whose blaming you for anything? You are connected to Little @Dee's micro manhood, are you? ***

Yet the only one upset is you and obsessed with Dee and your manhood and now your fathers , it appears your own fathers manhood is another of your obsession .....now that's creepy...

***I laughed out loud when I read your comment on my dad. This may be TMI but he he did not have a little d. His issues arose because he was on the other end of the scale***

You knew your own dad's tool size .....oh dear .....that's pretty sick , I bet you wish you kept that to yourself ..... what a pair of pervs.....yuck....

.*** He was never circumcised as a kid, and had to be circumcised 3 times as an adult for health issues.***

" health issues " you mean having sex with his son, right ?

***OUCH!!! ***

Just sayin after the first time with loving daddy ....

***It hurts me just to think about.***

I just bet it did ......

*** Poor little @Dee would be a Eunuch if that happened to him. LOL***

There's that projection again, would you not think.of a tool extension .....or wait ...maybe pray on it you know like that drunk in Calenda who got a new leg ...maybe god would grow you a decent sized tool....just sayin

Factfinder

@Joeseph

Have you noticed how the two resident zealots have become overly obsessed with other members genitals? Just like their fairy elf god, weird.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; We're just responding to your lead...your "religion" is immorality.

Image: https://debateisland.com/uploads/editor/xi/poaz1a296evl.jpg

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; We're just responding to your lead...your "religion" is immorality.

No I left Christianity and found modern morals are more relevant in the 21st century as primitive bronze aged morals written in the bible from a time of ignorance was to repugnant and horribly brutal towards innocents for me. Just look at the scummy, petulant way you behave. The exact opposite of your fairy sermon on the mount.

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN ABOUT OUR NUMBER TWO BIBLE FOOL ...."JUST_LYING_COWARD"... IN HIS REMOVING ONE FOOT FROM HIS MOUTH TO INSERT THE OTHER UPON WHAT HE THOUGHT HE KNEW, HE DIDN'T!!!!: "At the same time his partner, just_lyin is running from the thrashing he took when I debunked the virgin birth myth with his own bible as evidence in the links below. This same thread in fact, further up the page. He tries to use the ole Septuagint excuse but it backfired on him because the scripture doesn't support the virgin birth LOL..."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190519/#Comment_190519
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190528/#Comment_190528

YES, I can see why he is still running away from you where you easily Bible Slapped him Silly®️ upon the topic! All "Just_Lying_COWARD and Rickey" can do, is bring forth their Satanic Christian Apologetic Books, that comically contradict themselves, to "copy and paste" from them without understanding that there are bible verses that show them to be the pseudo-christian fools that they continue to be!

The 2 vigin births stumped him, good call! LOL!

Poor "little-boy" Just_Lying_COWARD is running away from me as well as embarrassingly shown for him in the following link:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190686/#Comment_190686

Joeseph

@Factfinder

Yes indeed , really weird , the pair of them never stop.......just lyin boasting about the size of his father's manhood is the creepiest thing I've heard in a long time .

Factfinder

MayCaesar said:

The Bible claims that the Earth was created in 7 days... Who cares what an old fantasy novel says about a character from 2,000 years ago? It is like trying to learn the art of war from reading about the battle against the Orcs in the Lord of the Rings.

Oh, oh I know that one! Want me to tell you how it ends? LOL

just_sayin

@Joeseph
Yet the only one upset is you

LOL, not in the least.

and obsessed with Dee

I feel bad for the guy. You don't? Seems cruel to me.

and your manhood and now your fathers , it appears your own fathers manhood is another of your obsession .....now that's creepy...

You made a crack about "manhood" and my dad, I was just sharing how off you were. Sorry, if I hit a sore point with you. My dad had a great sense of humor about it though.

health issues

Yeah, he had issues with the foreskin growing back and causing infections. I guess some guys never stop growing and others never start.

Anyway, we are way off topic.

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

Just_Lying_COWARD, this Religion Forums number two BIBLE FOOL!

YOUR OUTRIGHT EVIL STATEMENT THAT JESUS AS GOD SAYS THAT YOU CANNOT BRING FORTH!!!!!: "Yeah, he had issues with the foreskin growing back and causing infections. I guess some guys never stop growing and others never start."

You obviously remain BIBLE STOOPID in not knowing that you are not to think in EVIL WAYS as you have shown above, so says Jesus' inspired words, understood BIBLE DUNCE?!

You are blatantly violating Jesus' inspired passages below relative to "evil thoughts" which is BLASPHEME!:

1. "The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord, but gracious words are pure." (Proverbs 15:26)

2. "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander." (Matthew 15:19)

3. And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” (Mark 7:20-23)

4. "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts?" (Matthew 9:4)

5. "Have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?" (James 2:4)

What did we expect from the BIBLE DUNCE like "Just_Lying_COWARD" to begin with in being totally a BIBLE LOSER! LOL!!!

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Factfinder

@21CenturyIconoclast

One thing we don't expect from him, a straight answer.

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

@just_sayin

Come on @just_sayin, don't run and hide. Let's continue this line of exchanges. I thought we were making progress...

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190519/#Comment_190519

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190528/#Comment_190528

Now in order for your elf book to be true either there was two virgin births or none. Which is it? Note your erroneous elf book contends there is only 1 virgin birth despite language discrepancies and context of verses in question. Go...

no FairyFact - believer in the fairytale of chemical evolution. The word in the old Testament used in Isaiah's text can mean either young woman or virgin. There is no contradiction. And the prophesy can apply to both settings.

I'll give you a comparable example from Koine Greek. The word παῖς is a generic word that is generally translated 'child', but you'll see it translated 'son', 'boy' and even 'slave' and 'servant' too. Matthew and Luke tell the story of the Roman Centurion asking Jesus to heal the servant. Some falsely claimed that the Bible was in error because King James Version translates the word in one of the gospels as slave and son in the other. There isn't a problem with the Greek text, just the translation - in this case the child was a slave.

Same thing with young woman or virgin. Both meanings are understood. The problem isn't with the text, but with you.

Factfinder

just_sayin said:

Factfinder said:

@just_sayin

Come on @just_sayin, don't run and hide. Let's continue this line of exchanges. I thought we were making progress...

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190519/#Comment_190519

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/190528/#Comment_190528

Now in order for your elf book to be true either there was two virgin births or none. Which is it? Note your erroneous elf book contends there is only 1 virgin birth despite language discrepancies and context of verses in question. Go...

The word in the old Testament used in Isaiah's text can mean either young woman or virgin. There is no contradiction. And the prophesy can apply to both settings.

Same thing with young woman or virgin. Both meanings are understood. The problem isn't with the text, but with you.

Wrong. Context Trumps ALL. Nothing in Isaiah 7 is related to a coming messiah centuries later. Pick and choose all you want about the Septuagint and the chapter will never make sense applying it to Jesus centuries later. The problem isn't the text or me. It's you and your illiteracy. You think Matthew can quote a prophesy that was meant only for Ahaz in his time, change or extract the wrong meaning intentionally so he can adopt it for his day? That's just deception. You'd be better off answering what I said directly than using your typical dodge tactics.

Joeseph

@just_sayin

You feel bad for a guy you never met and made a load of lies up about ....you truly need help.

The only one making continuous cracks about manhood size is you .Your dad talking about his manhood size is just creepy what a weirdo
but hey its was a father and son thing.between you guys......I seem to have hit a nerve

Your dad felt it necessary to keep you fully informed on his manhood growth process and in your words " he never stopped growing " .....what a pair of pervs .....

Pity his brain didn't grow in the same way as the id- ot convinced his fool son he could talk in tounges and do miracles ....LOL

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