Gay Christian - Homosexual Christian - Lesbian Christian? Impossible - no such entity exists!

smoothie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT

All of these groups aren't christian then? They call themselves christian the same way as you. I don't think you have the power to say who really is a christian, when many groups would hardly call you a christian

MayCaesar

Can you provide any actual argument against homosexuality, that does not ultimately come down to "The Bible says it is evil"? Appeal to authority is not an argument, and if appeal to authority is the only way you can defend your position, then you are merely an intellectual slave of that authority.

I am not interested in what your ancient book has to say about homosexuality. What do you have to say about it? You said that it is an abomination - why? Do explain how it is abominable from the abstract perspective, with no regards to any fantasy writings.

RickeyD

One homosexual response to the OP commented that there are Christian "denominations" affirming LGBTQ. These are not Christians, these are those who "think" they're Christian but compromise with the Devil and seek a similar fate as the Devil in Hell. This truism has been foretold. (MEME)

No one who loves Jesus Christ as Lord can affirm or accept the sin of LGBTQ into Church doctrine, protocol, administration. Yes, the LGBTQ is more than welcome to visit the Christian Church and learn of Jesus Christ and His Gospel but no one naming the Name that is above all names, Jesus Christ, compromises with the Devil who is the root of LGBTQ behavior! LGBTQ is sin against our Creator's Covenant of Marriage and is an abomination to our God. Unless the LGBTQ participant repents (STOPS the immoral behavior) and turns to Jesus as their Lord for the mediation of sin, they will NOT see life in God's Kingdom!

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD When I brought up how Christians cherry pick religious texts, you said and I quote:

"Every other Scripture pertains SOLELY to the children of Israel and those who sojourned with them while under the Covenant of Law."

Now you have flipped around again. You just can't have your cake and eat it too?

Thanks to you, I know there is no such thing as a naturally moral fundamentalist. According to Christians, nothing is morally reprehensible except not believing in Jesus,a character from a fairy tale actual historians are not convinced existed,let alone have any hard evidence to suggest that any of his supposed dealing are anything more than just tall tales.

Thanks to you, I know that fundamentalists have little or no connection to anyone except themselves, let alone the whole of humanity and the whole of the universe. If the sole thing that brings purpose and meaning in your life is harassing homosexuals because some ancient writings told you to, that is just pathetic. If all that is needed to give you a sense of awe is to be told the same story repeatedly, by those who are trying to keep you in line, that is just pathetic.

You have no sense of right and wrong.

You have no authority.

You have a closed mind.

You are morally and spiritually ill.

smoothie

Everybody "sins" and Rickey's argument is egotistical and a sham, like the rest of his arguments naturally. He wants to feel above everybody else, he is practicing the sin of pride while he shouts at homosexual "sin". Most other christians would laugh at him.

@RickeyD I love how you put down my argument by starting with "One homosexual response" like its a slur, you really are a terrible person

RickeyD

@smoothie ; You're free to attack the messenger but the fact remains, if you die in your sin, you will die in Hell in futility. Going through life as a spiritually dead homosexual without hope is not living, it's existing in a lie!  I therefore urge you to stop existing in the insanity and stupidity of atheism, the demonic, and humble yourself, stop living in opposition to God's edicts and find life in Jesus Christ as Lord.

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD The facts remain... like the fact that you can't prove that who you call Jesus could be the devil, playing out the ultimate con?

You don't know that god exists, you BELIEVE it does based of FAITH! Not REASON! The bible is NOT FACTS! It is CONJECTURE! And it doesn't even make any sense at that!

RickeyD

@Happy_Killbot ; I know my Lord exists, commonsense declares it when one seeks our Lord void biases and obsessions with sinful lust that demand obfuscation and lying to one's self.  You too can know our Creator if you truly desired same but you love your lust and arrogance and your sin more than the Truth of Jesus Christ; therefore, you exist in spiritual darkness and live without hope in the demonic insanity of Atheism.  You're your own worst enemy!

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD I don't know why you think its "common knowledge", unless your world view is so small that you are completely unaware of the vastness of the earth, which is itself tiny in a much vaster but limited universe.

Consider every nation that has ever existed that did not have a single individual who knew about Jesus, or who lived their entire life without hearing the name, or even the concept. If it were common knowledge, why doesn't your hypothetical make itself known to them? We are talking billions here. Billions of data points each individually proving you are full of it.

I can "know" your supposed about as much as I can know the tooth fairy.

It is far more likely, that you will admit publicly on your blog about all times you cheated on your wife with men.

smoothie

@RickeyD I only "attack" in self-defense, you are hitting the bees nest again and again by calling people names and shouting your position with no factual shred of anything. You are akin to a schoolyard bully, not appropriate for a debate forum.

xlJ_dolphin_473

Maybe the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin, but the Bible was written in a time where homosexuality was not tolerated. Now society has moved on, and we have learned to accept everyone for who they are, regardless of their sexual orientation (or race, culture, gender, etc.) The Bible is just one book that was written a long time ago. I believe that Christians should move on from this, embrace our differences as humans, and stop discriminating against people for their sexual orientation on the grounds of their religion. 

ZeusAres42

RickeyD said:

There does NOT exist an entity called "Gay Christian"...this is an impossibility. No one can willfully sin against God and consider them self a Christian...it won't happen. There are "former" homosexuals-lesbians who repented of their sin (stopped the immoral conduct) and trusted in Jesus Christ who have become true Christians; but no man who takes another man's penis into his mouth or anus and no woman who licks on the vulva of another woman will find life in God's Kingdom but their sin is upon them lest they repent and turn to Jesus as Lord!

It is written...

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.  1 John 3:4-10 (NASB)

No one who has entered into a relationship with God the Father by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin and having received the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor of that relationship can continue to live in willful sin. If one is truly "born again" by the Spirit of God, disobedience to the God they love is unconscionable and through the process of sanctification, the Christian strives to live a life that honors God in obedience.

Homosexuality-Lesbianism-Transsexualism these are an abomination to our God and unless the participants in same repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord for the forgiveness of sin, they will NOT enter the Kingdom of God subsequent to death of the body in Time but they will ultimately die in sin and die a second death in Hell.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/62/Blind-Authority-Fallacy

You should all be very grateful that the legal system in your country or state does not work in the same as the mind of @RickeyD

RickeyD

@xlJ_dolphin_473 ; There is but One God to Whom you will give an account for your life as you lived it in Time i.e. Jesus Christ-Yeshua (Revelation 20:11-15). The Bible's age is irrelevant for God's words will never pass away. It does NOT matter what society tolerates but what God has said. Homosexuality - Lesbianism are sin against one's own body and against God's Covenant of Marriage (1 Corinthians 6:18). Homosexuality is a most abhorrent and detestable sin and unless the homosexual-lesbian repent (STOPS) of their sin and trust in Jesus Christ as God who died to pay their sin-debt, unless the homosexual-lesbianism turns to Jesus as Lord, they will die in sin and die in Hell without hope (John 8:24)!

smoothie

@RickeyD no matter how many times you state this, you will never be any more correct. You aren't changing anything by repeating the same thing over and over. We know what you think, please bring any new argument to the table instead of baseless conjecture?

xlJ_dolphin_473

@RickeyD
Jesus's disciples wrote the Bible at a time when homosexuality was not tolerated. Now, homosexuality is accepted by society. The Bible is outdated and contains some information which is no longer true today. It matters not what God has said, but what society tolerates, for the reason that the book which you say is God's word is outdated and comes from a period of beliefs being different to they are now. It is just blind faith which leads you to say that homosexuality is a sin. In the past, people thought that anything that was very unusual was bad and the work of the Devil. Now, we simply understand that some people, naturally, have a different sexual orientation. It is sad to see the hateful words that faith in your religion has led you to say.

MayCaesar

@xlJ_dolphin_473

Homosexuality actually was not a big deal in Ancient Rome; interestingly enough, in the noble families there was even the tradition requiring boys at a certain age to lay down with another male, which was seen as strengthening the boy's masculinity. Incidentally, Ancient Rome was by far the most prosperous nation on Earth at the time.

It all crumbled when religious prudes started taking over around AD 200. Corruption was thriving, new religious values were not widely accepted among simple folks, and the nobles themselves continued pleasuring themselves outside the public eye. Eventually the system collapsed.

It is interesting how prosperous nations get brought down on their knees by religious zealots every now and then. Shows what kind of system "god" really favors, and it is not what Christian fundamentalists think it is.

RickeyD

@MayCaesar ; Rome fell because of sexual perversion - immorality - debauchery - moral relativism, corruption, not true Christianity. Even Constantine and the Edict of Milan resulted in a perversion of Christianity via the merging of Roman/Babylonian paganism with elements of Christian and non-Christian apocryphal doctrine called Catholicism (312-313AD).

The Holy Spirit explains this foundational hypocrisy and the lies of atheism, its cancerous ideology on society, in Paul's letter to the Church at Rome which was written well before the fall of Jerusalem by Titus and the 10th-Roman legion in 70AD. If you read the letter, you will understand the culture that Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit and through Tertius of Iconium who acted as an amanuensis for Paul, is describing; in fact, the culture defined by Paul via the Holy Spirit is relevant to the generation of Noah before The Flood; the generation of Lot at Sodom-Gomorrah and that same culture is the one you represent today in your atheism-secularism-moral relativism. True Christianity is the only reason our World has survived this long and man has not consumed himself in rage, immorality, hate, self-destruction.

Your hatred for Christianity is your downfall in Time and Eternity and the causation for your rebellion against the God who loves you, died for you so that you could live (John 3:16).

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

I have no hatred for Christianity; I am not like you in this regard, hating everything I do not follow. I just have studied history extensively and know a thing or two about Rome in particular.

Rome flourished long before Christianity was a thing. Its downfall started with the collapse of the values of individual liberty and democracy during Augustus' rule, and coincided with gradual popularisation of Christianity. It is hardly an accident, albeit I am inclined to see popularisation of Christianity as a consequence of failing morals, as opposed to its cause. When values in a country fall apart, people resort to totalitarian ideologies to fill the moral vacuum, and that is exactly what happened in Rome.

Everywhere where religion took over people's minds, economies crumbled and totalitarianism ensued. It is only when a society become secular that it could flourish once again. Of course, even the most secular society still has those weird people who want to go back to religious totalitarianism. But at least you folks are now reduced to posting on the Internet and can no longer burn those who disagree with you at stake.

RickeyD

1) Of course Rome flourished before Christianity "was a thing"....Rome was supposedly founded in 753 BC...Christianity was founded in 33-35AD though the Gospel of Jesus Christ predates Time (2 Timothy 1:10).

2) Please show one Nation that crumbled with Christ in the heart of the majority and show how Christianity caused this failure? Just one. Please explain how true Christianity precipitated or was the causation for failure?

3) Rome's "religion" was not Christianity but a pagan cult that ultimately serves the same god that atheism serves, Satan. Catholicism has NEVER been Christian.

4) A Nation's only hope for true success is Jesus Christ as Lord; otherwise, they consume themselves in narcissism-graft-immorality.

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

If the "only hope" of any nation is Jesus Christ, then how come there were countless very successful nations long before he was even born, as well as long after he died - including the nations in which Christianity is barely represented, such as Japan or Taiwan?

Well, the entire Europe was an impoverished corrupt totalitarian territory for over 1000 years after Rome's collapse, with clergy and corrupt religious kings tearing the continent to pieces. I would say this qualifies as a bit of a failure.

RickeyD

1) Japan has found success through religion - obedience to Shinto and Buddhism. Though these are "religions" and do not provide redemption for the soul of man, they are successful at controlling the sin-nature though obedience to law.

2) In Taiwan, Buddhism and Taoism and Christianity and Islam play a strategic role in controlling behavior. Though only Christianity offers redemption by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and life in Eternity, all the "religions" of Taiwan provide restraint to the sin-nature.

3) Rome's collapse had NOTHING to do with Christianity but was a most ardent persecutor of the Christian under Nero until the Edict of Milan in 313AD.

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

But I thought Jesus was the only hope, and Jesus is not a part of Shinto, Taoism or Buddhism, and is a relatively minor part of Islam. Now it is any religious entity, not just Jesus? Opinions change fast, don't they?

You must have never travelled to Japan, if you genuinely believe that religion there is big. Just a bit over a third of the Japanese population follows any religion at all, and most of those followers do it mostly as a tradition - almost nobody there actually believes in any deities.
In contrary, when religion there was actually big, the country was ridden with endless wars and totalitarian governments.

The US, arguably the most Christian country in the First World, also has one of the highest crime rates among the First World countries. Seems like your god does not like his followers very much, does he?

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD Religiosity correlates negatively with intelligence. Secular nations rank higher in freedom, economic output, and happiness than religious nations. Religious nations have more violent crime, lower life expectancy, and fewer freedoms.

The correlation isn't up for debate, but what is the cause is, but either way it doesn't bode well for religion.

Either religion causes immoral behavior, or it does nothing to stop it. The theory is that religion doesn't make people more moral, and science provides no evidence that it does. People turn to religion as a way of coping with suffering. It is the only way to deal with the oppression and lack of control. The lives of Christians is so sad, that they need an imaginary being to love them to continue.

Should it be any surprise then, that as Christianity spread through the roman empire as it crumbled? In 380 AD Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire. The Visigoths sacked Rome just 30 years latter.

This also explains why religion is rapidly dying in developed nations. People's lives just don't suck like they used to, because science and technology, that is to say things that are literally true and not metaphysically or philosophically true make life better.

There have been tons of nations that rose and fell throughout history, but I think a prime example of a nation falling with Christianity at it's core would be Russia after the Russian revolution. 1917 was the first time in Russian history that it did not have a state sponsored religion, and the Russian Orthodox church was ousted from government and replaced with "religious freedom" but in practice the communist party restricted religion and even outright attacked it, proving that autocracy is the real enemy.

Religion is at worst dangerous and at best an indicator of a nations health. A nation becoming more religious is a sign of regression, and perhaps a prelude to greater suffering in the future.

RickeyD

@MayCaesar

1) There is no life in Eternity in the Kingdom of God without Jesus as Lord. Religion is death, only Christ offers answers and life to one who believes (John 3:16).

2) I have been to Tokyo, Japan and understand the lifestyle...there are many who are obedient to their "religion"....there are many who are obedient to moral relativism. I don't think I've ever witnessed alcohol addiction on a greater scale anywhere as in Japan. Japan is a free-market economy and the laws are very strict and obedience is expected. Law enforcement is HIGHLY trained and respected. "While less than 50 percent of Japanese people identify themselves as active members of a religious group, a majority of individuals do partake in traditional practices involving praying to Shinto gods, or kami, and visiting shrines and temples on special occasions." http://https//berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/the-japanese-ness-of-religion-in-japan

3) America's fallen-nature has manifest primarily subsequent to the infusion of Darwin into our public schools in 1963 which has morphed millions of American youth into godless, amoral atheists-secularists-humanists-socialists. America has, for all intents and purposes, lost the Millennial and Gen-Z generations to the god of atheism, Satan. When prayer and Christ were rejected in our schools via such SCOTUS decisions such as Engel v. Vitale (1962), America initiated a path to self-destruction because America was founded by Christ for the Great Commission and America's Constitutional Republic cannot be sustained without Jesus as Lord in the heart of the majority.

4) Without Christ, America is dying in apostasy but this too has eschatological purposes as our Lord prepares to initiate His Millennial Reign from Jerusalem, Israel.

RickeyD

@Happy_Killbot ; Again,

Catholicism has never been Christian. Catholicism was founded by Constantine in 312-313AD via the Edict of Milan by merging Babylonian Paganism/Roman Paganism with elements of Christian and non-Christian (Apocrypha) doctrine in order to make the pagan cult more palatable to the masses.

The Mass; The Sacraments; Transubstantiation; Purgatory; The Rosary; Statues in Worship; The Perpetual Virginity of Mary as the Goddess of Heaven; The Idolatry of Mary Worship; calling Catholic Leadership as "Father"; Confessing sin to a Priest; The Magisterium; Indulgences; these are NOT Scriptural and undermine the purity and simplicity of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord; thereby, leading the innocent millions/billions in the way of deception and hopelessness. http://www.eaec.org/cults/romancatholic.htm

You think yourself intelligent but your "intelligence" will not provide you life in Eternity. Atheism is "the fool" of Time and Eternity...without Jesus Christ as your Lord for the mediation of your sin...you have no hope!

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

Crime rates have been high compared to other First World countries throughout the entire US history. Crime rates were actually much higher in the past, especially in 30-s, when the crumbling economy forced people to take things into their own hands, as well as during the "wild West" period. The country was also much more religious back then than it is now.
The data is not on your side, sorry to say.

Japanese maintain a very traditional culture, but barely anyone there actually practices religion as such. You will almost never hear the word "Christ" here, yet the country is within 10 safest countries in the world, is one of the richest countries in the world.

Seems like your Christ does not determine the well-being of a nation. Surprise, is it not?

RickeyD

@MayCaesar ; What would have life been like in the Great Depression without God, Jesus Christ, ruling in the heart of the majority? There is no way a melting pot defined by America could have been sustained without faith in Jesus Christ. The data is on my side...America is a Nation founded by Jesus Christ for His purposes.

1) The Bible and Government: http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government 

2) The decline in America's morality subsequent to removal of prayer: http://https//www.cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/education-expert-removing-bible-prayer-public-schools-has-caused-decline 

3) If not for Christianity, America's Constitutional Republic could NOT have been sustained for 243-years. The Impact of Christianity: http://http//www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-impact-of-christianity

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

Probably much better, without religious prudes constantly lobbying awful laws like prohibition that contributed to the Great Depression. Also, when someone is starving and goes outside with a gun to get some food from stores, I do not think their heart is driven by Jesus.

Japan actually is one of the more sexually devious countries out there. You are complaining about homosexuals here? There you have things like somewhat normalised incest (not only between cousins, but between children and parents too), tentacle porn and records in the number of naked people on a single photo. Still, one of the safest and richest countries on Earth.
Heavily Christian and sexually prudish Serbia, on the other hand, is not doing too hot.

America was founded by Jesus Christ? That is a new one.

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD Catholics are Christians.

In fact, the Roman Catholic church is the largest christian church in the world.

You have probably stated it several times, but I usually skim over the parts in your arguments that are bigoted christian word salad, so I don't even know what denomination you are, probably Westouro Baptist or something.

You just want to make this separation because the catholic church has done all sorts of horrid things you would rather distance yourself from, but from the outside, Christians, Islam, Buddhists, Scientologists, and so many others fall under the category of "religious" so it is irrelevant whether or not a Northern  or a southern baptist is a heretic, you all live in one big dysfunctional family called delusional believers.

You know there is a rule in most formal debates that goes something like: "Any evidence that is not rebuked stands"

You didn't even answer most of my points, so they stand.

Not that you are even capable of arguing against them anyways.

RickeyD

@MayCaesar

1) Could it have been the foresight of the temperance movement that desired to save the millions of lives and families destroyed by alcohol consumption and addiction? I began consuming alcohol as a teenager and it continued through my Marine Corps days into my early law enforcement career; that is, until I repeatedly responded to calls-for-service where alcohol was the major culprit in crime, family violence, child abuse-neglect, spousal abuse, unemployment, hopelessness, suicide. Before my wife gave birth to our first child, I quit the alcohol consumption at 28-yrs of age...it did NOT mix with law enforcement and it does not mix with marriage and family.

Alcohol is a leading cause of death, disease worldwide, study says

http://https//www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/24/alcohol-death-disease-study-beer-wine/1082443002/

2) As America grows increasingly secular in atheism...our Nation will die in apostasy and consume itself in immorality, greed, slothfulness, socialism. A personal relationship with God the Father by grace though faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and receiving the power and wisdom and strength of the indwelling Holy Spirit is the ONLY way to live a life in Time that is worthy and life in Eternity serving God forever...America will die without Jesus as KING!

3) Christianity impacts the heart of the population pointing them to holiness, obedience to our Lord Jesus Christ, love for one's neighbor, under girding the family unit, Biblical marriage, respecting authority, respecting one's self, temperance, honor, dignity, trustworthiness, faithfulness, purity in thought and deed, patriotism...these mores-norms-values cannot be coerced or implemented by force or any government, they must manifest from a changed heart via the indwelling Holy Spirit. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit in the heart of the majority, America cannot be sustained as a Constitutional Republic.

A Nation whose God is the Lord is a blessed Nation (Psalm 33:12).  There has never been a Nation as blessed and a blessing to the World as has been the United States of America...but it is the evolutionist; atheist; secularist; humanist; moral relativist, that will destroy this once great Nation. You will have no one to blame but yourself.

4) America was founded by Jesus Christ in order to take the Gospel to the ends of the Earth...America was faithful in that commission for most of Her existence. Our Founders knew that their vision of a very limited government giving way to freedom for We the People could not be sustained unless the heart of the majority was redeemed by Jesus Christ as Lord; hence, a Church on almost every street corner in early America. A secular-atheistic America is death to our posterity!  Our Founders knew that without Jesus as KING, there would be insufficient numbers of police, prosecutors, judges, jails, prisons to maintain peace and order in a Nation governed by the people, for the people apart from tyranny.

RickeyD

@Happy_Killbot ; Catholicism IS NOT Christian. Catholicism is a works salvation cult...NOT Christianity. I define and articulate true Biblical Christianity here: https://rickeyholtsclaw.com/2019/11/03/what-is-authentic-christianity/

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD ; "It's true because I said so"

Referencing something you wrote proves nothing.

I wrote above that Catholics are Christians, which holds just as much weight doesn't it?

Do you even have an argument here? Or are you just going to expect me to take the word of a decrepit meat shield?

There are differences indeed between Catholics and protestants, but they still fundamentally worship the same deity and follow Jesus.

You are going to claim that the way these sects follow and interpret the bible differently and this is the crucial factor, but then, by your own admission don't follow the bible anyways. That's just the pot calling the kettle black.

You really aren't capable of actually making a good argument are you?

I find that to be disappointing. I secretly hate winning so much. How many times do I have to point out your lack of authority before you figure out your place?

RickeyD

@Happy_Killbot

Catholicism is not Biblical Christianity and has never been so in its history. If you desire to argue that point, read and rebut? The Cult of Catholicism: https://rickeyholtsclaw.com/2019/08/26/the-cult-of-catholicism-articulated/

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

Bravo. I could not make a better totalitarian speech even if I tried to!

Your whole argument comes down to "People must be controlled and obedient in order for them to prosper". Aside from the moral repercussions of this, the practical repercussions are obvious. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and other totalitarians used the exact same arguments as you do, only they replaced "Jesus" with "Aryan race", "worker class" and "Chinese identity".
The results of your controlling policies also speak for themselves. We have already discussed the Great Depression, but we can also discuss dozens millions Chinese dying to hunger, or millions Soviets, or millions Germans, or millions Japanese, or millions Cambodians - all died in the name of obedience to some being higher than them.

Unfortunately for you, Christian totalitarianism has been gone for a long time now and is unlikely to come back. But you can find what you are looking for in some of the Muslim nations!

Happy_Killbot

@RickeyD This is completely off topic. My point is you won't contest the other ideas I put forth because you don't have any good arguments against it. I don't need to read anything on your blog to tell you you are obviously wrong.

RickeyD

@Happy_Killbot ; You are an atheist...you are a servant of Satan...your ideas are not tenable and lead only to hopelessness and sorrow and death. In your atheism, you have made yourself a non-issue and your ideas are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as they come to nothing in the culmination of all things in That Day. I have muted you to ease my eyes of the silliness of your mindset...I pick and choose that to which I will respond as you are a burden to everything that is good and wholesome and sustainable. It pains me and angers me to see you die in your sin in the deception of Satan. I am grieved for you!  You pride yourself in your self-endowed intelligence not knowing you are weak, lost, deluded, living without hope.  Unless you humble yourself and diligently seek the Lord Jesus Christ to free you from the bondage of Satan, you will die in sin and suffer an unconscionable Eternity until the second death.

xlJ_dolphin_473

@MayCaesar
In some ancient societies, homosexuality was seen not only as acceptable, but socially constructive, notably the Ancient Greek society.

RickeyD

@xlJ_dolphin_473 ; The participants in homosexuality-lesbianism, lest they repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin, will die in sin and lose their soul in Hell. God the Father will not permit unrepentant sin, including sexual immorality, to enter His Kingdom subsequent to the death of the body constrained by Time. Patterning your behavior after the conduct of fallen societies is not wisdom but obfuscation seeking a facade of justification for that which cannot be justified.

YeshuaBought

If you are the face of religion and hate, I am an atheist. I am so tired of your bigotry. It's your Hell, you burn in it, Due to the behavior of both Christians and their deity, I no longer believe. Your messages of hate are pushing people away from your effing cult. Congrats!

YeshuaBought

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyD

Bravo. I could not make a better totalitarian speech even if I tried to!

Your whole argument comes down to "People must be controlled and obedient in order for them to prosper". Aside from the moral repercussions of this, the practical repercussions are obvious. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and other totalitarians used the exact same arguments as you do, only they replaced "Jesus" with "Aryan race", "worker class" and "Chinese identity".
The results of your controlling policies also speak for themselves. We have already discussed the Great Depression, but we can also discuss dozens millions Chinese dying to hunger, or millions Soviets, or millions Germans, or millions Japanese, or millions Cambodians - all died in the name of obedience to some being higher than them.

Unfortunately for you, Christian totalitarianism has been gone for a long time now and is unlikely to come back. But you can find what you are looking for in some of the Muslim nations!

People like him are why I don't want to be religious anymore. If god is anything like our resident bigot, I want nothing to do with god.

YeshuaBought

RickeyD said:

@Happy_Killbot ; You are an atheist...you are a servant of Satan...your ideas are not tenable and lead only to hopelessness and sorrow and death. In your atheism, you have made yourself a non-issue and your ideas are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as they come to nothing in the culmination of all things in That Day. I have muted you to ease my eyes of the silliness of your mindset...I pick and choose that to which I will respond as you are a burden to everything that is good and wholesome and sustainable. It pains me and angers me to see you die in your sin in the deception of Satan. I am grieved for you!  You pride yourself in your self-endowed intelligence not knowing you are weak, lost, deluded, living without hope.  Unless you humble yourself and diligently seek the Lord Jesus Christ to free you from the bondage of Satan, you will die in sin and suffer an unconscionable Eternity until the second death.

Religion is slavery, and indepent people are the true servants of the universe.

YeshuaBought

RickeyD said:

@MayCaesar

1) Could it have been the foresight of the temperance movement that desired to save the millions of lives and families destroyed by alcohol consumption and addiction? I began consuming alcohol as a teenager and it continued through my Marine Corps days into my early law enforcement career; that is, until I repeatedly responded to calls-for-service where alcohol was the major culprit in crime, family violence, child abuse-neglect, spousal abuse, unemployment, hopelessness, suicide. Before my wife gave birth to our first child, I quit the alcohol consumption at 28-yrs of age...it did NOT mix with law enforcement and it does not mix with marriage and family.

Alcohol is a leading cause of death, disease worldwide, study says

http://https//www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/24/alcohol-death-disease-study-beer-wine/1082443002/

2) As America grows increasingly secular in atheism...our Nation will die in apostasy and consume itself in immorality, greed, slothfulness, socialism. A personal relationship with God the Father by grace though faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and receiving the power and wisdom and strength of the indwelling Holy Spirit is the ONLY way to live a life in Time that is worthy and life in Eternity serving God forever...America will die without Jesus as KING!

3) Christianity impacts the heart of the population pointing them to holiness, obedience to our Lord Jesus Christ, love for one's neighbor, under girding the family unit, Biblical marriage, respecting authority, respecting one's self, temperance, honor, dignity, trustworthiness, faithfulness, purity in thought and deed, patriotism...these mores-norms-values cannot be coerced or implemented by force or any government, they must manifest from a changed heart via the indwelling Holy Spirit. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit in the heart of the majority, America cannot be sustained as a Constitutional Republic.

A Nation whose God is the Lord is a blessed Nation (Psalm 33:12).  There has never been a Nation as blessed and a blessing to the World as has been the United States of America...but it is the evolutionist; atheist; secularist; humanist; moral relativist, that will destroy this once great Nation. You will have no one to blame but yourself.

4) America was founded by Jesus Christ in order to take the Gospel to the ends of the Earth...America was faithful in that commission for most of Her existence. Our Founders knew that their vision of a very limited government giving way to freedom for We the People could not be sustained unless the heart of the majority was redeemed by Jesus Christ as Lord; hence, a Church on almost every street corner in early America. A secular-atheistic America is death to our posterity!  Our Founders knew that without Jesus as KING, there would be insufficient numbers of police, prosecutors, judges, jails, prisons to maintain peace and order in a Nation governed by the people, for the people apart from tyranny.

Actually religion is the leading cause of death worldwide with all of the hate crimes, and wars.

YeshuaBought

RickeyD said:

@MayCaesar ; What would have life been like in the Great Depression without God, Jesus Christ, ruling in the heart of the majority? There is no way a melting pot defined by America could have been sustained without faith in Jesus Christ. The data is on my side...America is a Nation founded by Jesus Christ for His purposes.

1) The Bible and Government: http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government 

2) The decline in America's morality subsequent to removal of prayer: http://https//www.cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/education-expert-removing-bible-prayer-public-schools-has-caused-decline 

3) If not for Christianity, America's Constitutional Republic could NOT have been sustained for 243-years. The Impact of Christianity: http://http//www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-impact-of-christianity

There is no god.

ZeusAres42

@RickeyD

RickeyD said:

There does NOT exist an entity called "Gay Christian"...this is an impossibility. No one can willfully sin against God and consider them self a Christian...it won't happen. There are "former" homosexuals-lesbians who repented of their sin (stopped the immoral conduct) and trusted in Jesus Christ who have become true Christians; but no man who takes another man's penis into his mouth or anus and no woman who licks on the vulva of another woman will find life in God's Kingdom but their sin is upon them lest they repent and turn to Jesus as Lord!

It is written...

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.  1 John 3:4-10 (NASB)

No one who has entered into a relationship with God the Father by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin and having received the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor of that relationship can continue to live in willful sin. If one is truly "born again" by the Spirit of God, disobedience to the God they love is unconscionable and through the process of sanctification, the Christian strives to live a life that honors God in obedience.

Homosexuality-Lesbianism-Transsexualism these are an abomination to our God and unless the participants in same repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord for the forgiveness of sin, they will NOT enter the Kingdom of God subsequent to death of the body in Time but they will ultimately die in sin and die a second death in Hell.

RickeyD

@ZeusAres42 ; God the Father has provided a way of escape from death in sin and death in Hell; God the Father has given the Son, Jesus Christ, to die in your place and offer you a pardon from death in Hell if you're willing to trust-believe in Jesus as your Lord and Mediator for sin and if you're willing to repent and seek God's will for your life. God the Father desires a relationship with you for Eternity but God will NOT permit your unrepentant sin to enter His Kingdom; therefore, it is wise and prudent to at least sit quietly and read through the "Gospel of John" and the "Book of Romans" then make an informed decision concerning your life in Time and your eternal destiny. There is no other Way to life in God's Kingdom except by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as YOUR Lord (John 14:6).

ZeusAres42

RickeyD said:

@ZeusAres42 ; God the Father has provided a way of escape from death in sin and death in Hell; God the Father has given the Son, Jesus Christ, to die in your place and offer you a pardon from death in Hell if you're willing to trust-believe in Jesus as your Lord and Mediator for sin and if you're willing to repent and seek God's will for your life. God the Father desires a relationship with you for Eternity but God will NOT permit your unrepentant sin to enter His Kingdom; therefore, it is wise and prudent to at least sit quietly and read through the "Gospel of John" and the "Book of Romans" then make an informed decision concerning your life in Time and your eternal destiny. There is no other Way to life in God's Kingdom except by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as YOUR Lord (John 14:6).

Isn't the Devil that often used half-truths mixed with lies? Pretty sure it was. This song is for you @RickeyD (AKA sinnerman)

MichaelElpers

@RickeyD So you dont think Christians can sin?  Shouldnt you then be just as outraged then of people who fornicate, curse, or any other sin?

RickeyD

@ZeusAres42 ; If you're accusing me of deceit or lying, why not point-out those alleged lies, deception, let's discuss them? I'm not interested in song and dance but Truth. Point-out those alleged lies of mine...I challenge you.

ZeusAres42

RickeyD said:

@ZeusAres42 ; If you're accusing me of deceit or lying, why not point-out those alleged lies, deception, let's discuss them? I'm not interested in song and dance but Truth. Point-out those alleged lies of mine...I challenge you.

Likewise, I am not interested in seeing constant copies and pastes from other online sources which any fool can do. If you want an actual debate then let's have one without you copying and pasting stuff, and actually using your own mind? And I will stop posting songs. I challenge you to a debate where we actually debate. Or do you wanna just continue searching for images on the Internet to spam this site? It works both ways, sir.

RickeyD

@MichaelElpers ; Christian's do sin but the difference being, the Christian does not desire to live in sin and subsequent to the rebirth through the Holy Spirit the Christian abhors sin because it is sin-disobedience that disrupts fellowship and intimacy with the Lord we love; therefore, the Christian endeavors to live a life of obedience to God the Father because the most treasured gift of trusting in Jesus as Lord is the relationship that manifests with God the Father by grace through faith in the Son, Jesus Christ; a relationship that is Sealed and Guaranteed by the Gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13).

When one experiences true peace - contentment with God by trusting in the suffering-death of Messiah-Jesus for the forgiveness of sin, the absolute last thing the Christian desires is to live in wanton sin that would destroy the inner-peace and joy that comes with knowing all is well with God and that God is pleased and you are secure in His love forever.