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Is the Atheist movement, a probable byproduct of the Epicurus Effect?
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By TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
"The Epicurus Effect."

Epicurus and his stance?

"For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to help people attain a happy, tranquil life characterized by ataraxia (peace and freedom from fear) and aponia (the absence of pain). He advocated that people were best able to pursue philosophy by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that the root of all human neurosis is death denial and the tendency for human beings to assume that death will be horrific and painful, which he claimed causes unnecessary anxiety, selfish self-protective behaviors, and hypocrisy. According to Epicurus, death is the end of both the body and the soul and therefore should not be feared. Epicurus taught that although the gods exist, they have no involvement in human affairs. He taught that people should behave ethically not because the gods punish or reward people for their actions, but because amoral behavior will burden them with guilt and prevent them from attaining ataraxia."

"Though popular, Epicurean teachings were controversial from the beginning. Epicureanism reached the height of its popularity during the late years of the Roman Republic. It died out in late antiquity, subject to hostility from early Christianity. Throughout the Middle Ages Epicurus was popularly, though inaccurately, remembered as a patron of drunkards, and gluttons. His teachings gradually became more widely known in the fifteenth century with the rediscovery of important texts, but his ideas did not become acceptable until the seventeenth century, when the French Catholic priest Pierre Gassendi revived a modified version of them, which was promoted by other writers, including Walter Charleton and Robert Boyle. His influence grew considerably during and after the Enlightenment, profoundly impacting the ideas of major thinkers, including John LockeThomas JeffersonJeremy Bentham, and Karl Marx."

It would appear that Epicurus, took up an issue with "God's" because it somehow ran against the grain of his individually thought up concepts of "Ataraxia and Aponia?"

It's funny, even Epicurus, who wasn't religious, developed an stance over something that had zero influences over the way this fellow, LIVED his life?

So if no God's, were telling him how to live his Greek life?

And he lived his life, as he chose to do, without any fictional Religious restraints, or fictional Religious Indoctrination practices, keeping him from engaging in the lifestyle that he created from his own non Religious mindset, or his Epicurus stance?

Thus, he didn't really have anything to complain about when it came to any God's, because, those very same God's, were in no way, shape or form keeping him from engaging in his self created Epicurus stance?

So basically he was a non Religious Greek, who was downplaying, on "God's," in general, during his heyday?

This question comes to mind:
It would appear that Epicurus voluntarily allowed the God's to (fictionally interfere) with his philosophies of "Ataraxia, or Aponia," because he developed an issue, with the God's, who weren't consciously interfering in his life to begin with?

So it seems, that the Atheist movement, and the Epicurus stance, can both be viewed in the same (fictional interference) light?

Meaning, Epicurus created a fictional beef, over those same God's who were having a non interference influence, over his very own life, and the lives of those individuals, who adopted his "Ataraxia, or Aponia," philosophies?
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  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    edited January 8
    Your obsession with constantly appealing to famous individual cases to make a point which in itself is void of implication is beyond me. Also yet again n your ignorance leaves you spouting yet more B S ......


    ****
     It's funny, even Epicurus, who wasn't religious, developed an stance over something that had zero influences over the way this fellow, LIVED his life?


    Epicurus’ philosophy was not based on atheism, but rather on a deistic worldview. Deism posits that gods exist, but do not involve themselves with worldly affairs. By denying the presence of deities in human life, Epicurus wasn’t arguing for an atheistic worldview, but trying to remove the fear of gods, death, and pain that humans experienced


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  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
    edited January 8
    @Dee

    I'm expressing the exact opposite, and I explained that in the title.

    "Epicurus’ philosophy was not based on atheism,,

    That Atheism is a byproduct of Epicurus's influence, through his philosophies.

    "Is the Atheist movement, a probable byproduct of the Epicurus Effect?"

  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @TKDB

    Atheism is not a “movement “ and I don’t buy your thesis , either way if it was the case so what? 
    AlofRI
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 1475 Pts
    edited January 8
    Atheism is as much of a movement as static is being dynamic. 


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  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    The collective group of Atheists on the internet, are using the Internet, as a platform to indoctrinate whoever they can with their Atheist movement narratives.

    An example, your individual narratives @ZeusAres42.

    Your individual narratives @Dee.

    Your individual narratives @Happy_Killbot

    And your individual narratives as well @Plaffelvohfen

    Look at how many pro Atheist websites that there are on the Internet?

    The Atheist Revolution is a prime example of a collective of Atheists via their own website, who just like you three, are using the internet to push their collective Atheist narratives as well?

    The NRA is another example of a collective movement, using the internet, to push their narratives to.

    Black Lives Matter, another example of a collective movement.

    How many White Supremacy groups, are there on the internet?

    They are another example of a collective movement, using the internet to push their narratives as well.

    The GOP, on the internet, is another collective movement, using the internet, to push their narratives, just like the Liberal Socialists movement, is using the internet, in the same way.

    "Atheism is as much of a movement as static is being dynamic."





  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotZeusAres42smoothieNopekenpage
  • Atheism is a byproduct of a rational mind, no wonder the OP struggles with it...
    DeeAlofRI
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    The collective group of Atheists on the internet, are using the Internet, as a platform to indoctrinate whoever they can with their Atheist movement narratives.

    An example, your individual narratives @ZeusAres42.

    Your individual narratives @Dee.

    Your individual narratives @Happy_Killbot

    And your individual narratives as well @Plaffelvohfen

    Look at how many pro Atheist websites that there are on the Internet?

    The Atheist Revolution is a prime example of a collective of Atheists via their own website, who just like you three, are using the internet to push their collective Atheist narratives as well?

    The NRA is another example of a collective movement, using the internet, to push their narratives to.

    Black Lives Matter, another example of a collective movement.

    How many White Supremacy groups, are there on the internet?

    They are another example of a collective movement, using the internet to push their narratives as well.

    The GOP, on the internet, is another collective movement, using the internet, to push their narratives, just like the Liberal Socialists movement, is using the internet, in the same way.

    "Atheism is as much of a movement as static is being dynamic."







    Have you consulted with a Shrink at all lately? Or have you actually seen multiple shrinks in the past that have all concluded that you are a lost cause? I'm guessing the latter. Perhaps you told all the shrinks that they are wrong and only see things from their own collective point of view no matter what they said? Hey, perhaps you even started having a debate with them about some current Shrink movement?
    PlaffelvohfenDeesmoothieNopeAlofRI









  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
    edited January 8
    @ZeusAres42

    This is the theme of the forum:

    Is the Atheist movement, a probable byproduct of the Epicurus Effect?


    Do you have an actual counter argument to present?

    More examples of your Atheist pushing narratives:

    "Have you consulted with a Shrink at all lately?"

    "Or have you actually seen multiple shrinks in the past that have all concluded that you are a lost cause?"

    "I'm guessing the latter."

    "Perhaps you told all the shrinks that they are wrong and only see things from their own collective point of view no matter what they said?"

    "Hey, perhaps you even started having a debate with them about some current Shrink movement?"





  • Please for your own sake, learn the difference between Atheism and Antitheism before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
    Dee









  • @ZeusAres42

    He can probably be conditioned to behave in certain ways but I wouldn't call that learning... As his numerous posts and comments in the last year demonstrate, he is unable to learn...

    I mean, we would have seen some form of progress by now, however small and on at least one issue (whether it's about the difference between atheism and antitheism , "what is an argument", "how to structure it" or more basically "how to address an argument"...), but there is none, no progress at all...  So I wouldn't get my hopes too high for 2020 either... 
    DeeZeusAres42
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • @TKDB

    A lack of study or research insures ignorance.

    1. Epistemology is the study and theory of knowledge.

    The Greeks did not understand how someone can know anything, as certainty, in respect to knowledge, confounded them as certainty asserts that knowledge is  fundamental.

    Epistemology covers
    Justified beilief
    Opinion
    Or certainty

    The Greeks argued about an empirical means to be certain of what is known

    The problem was Greeks did not take into account rationality or inherant intelligence

    Science, was first invented as

    1. A way to prove God exists
    2. As an empirical means of certainty

    Ontology is the study of being and the ontological quality of existence

    To run this short because I'm not interested in giving a history lesson

    1. Psuedo scientists hijacked science and were dogmatic in the approach of the philosophy of science
    It's why you had people saying things like people live on the sun in the 12th century by "scientists"

    2. Psuedo-scientists intended to use science as a way to attempt to do the impossible and assert God doesn't exist, a fallacy.

    3. Psuedo scientists assert illogical concepts, use words that people barely understand, fail miserably in all century's and eras, any inventor, or engineer is labeled a scientist by the psuedo scientists, psuedo pscientists jump on the bandwagon of inventor, psuedo scientists use inventors as a social proof for science,psuedo scientists get in front of audiences , use words audiences largely can not comprehend, the false social proof of inventors is a psychological tactic to assert psuedo-scientists 
    Are smart
    Psuedo scientists aim everything at the Bible

    And tradically atheists result neither knowing the history of science or much of anything else.

    Jesus is Lord 


    ZeusAres42Happy_Killbot
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    edited January 9
    @JesusisGod777888

    ***** And tradically atheists result neither knowing the history of science or much of anything else

    Say’s the guy who believes History and science are to be found in a fairytale that has a guy called Noah building a boat that held two of every animal in the world .....Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha 



    ZeusAres42Plaffelvohfen
  • Atheism is a stance on a single issues. Epicureanism, on the other hand, is a very comprehensive life philosophy, that in itself neither promotes nor discourages atheism. In fact, Epicurus himself was quite fond of god Dyonisus, whose image he drew inspiration for his philosophy from.

    Atheism is as old as humanity is, and so is religion. I do not see any reason to connect Epicureanism to the emergence of the "atheist movement" (whatever it is), albeit it may have contributed to it in some indirect way.
  • @TKDB ; Modern-day atheism is the resultant primarily of Darwinian Evolutionary Theory forced upon the mind of young, impressionable, naive, students in the classroom. Atheism does not actually exist because every man and woman having an attained an age of reason/accountability and possessing at least a modicum of cognitive acuity/awareness intuitively knows our Creator exists because our supernatural World declares design and therefore a Designer (Romans 1:18-32). Anyone who claims the demonic title of "atheist" is a liar. The typical atheist compromises with sexual perversion, is adverse to authority and the constraints of the rule of law...they are typically narcissistic, rebellious, servants of Satan who are seeking death in sin and death in Hell in spiritual ignorance and naivete. Atheism provides the sexually perverse, the rebellious, the narcissist, a facade of escape from their sexual sin and their rebellion to the God who has authority and dominion over their lives...atheism is a lie, a deathstyle for "fools." Jesus Christ as Lord, Creator, God, Mediator, Judge, Messiah, is the only hope for the fool entrapped by Satan's atheism.


    ZeusAres42smoothieHappy_KillbotAlofRI
  • SandSand 216 Pts
    Science has a fairytale that has a Cro Magnon Man surviving 5 earth-wide ice ages no boat, no house, no preparation whatsoever, just happened.
    This fairytale Apelike Man not only survived but lived in it for 100,000 years, no food, no shelter, no clothing.
    Good thing hypothermia wasn't discovered yet.
    PlaffelvohfenHappy_Killbot
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @Sand


    *****Science has a fairytale that has a Cro Magnon Man surviving 5 earth-wide ice ages 


    We are living in an ice age now and yet we survive. It’s startling you think science believes in fairytales yet you believe in a resurrected Jesus , do you not think that strange? 


    *****no boat, no house, no preparation whatsoever, just happened. 


    Who told you this 



    ****This fairytale Apelike Man not only survived but lived in it for 100,000 years, no food, no shelter, no clothing.


    Again where did you get this misinformation from?



    ****Good thing hypothermia wasn't discovered yet.


    Right???





    At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth’s history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder.



    The Neanderthals were replaced throughout Europe about 40,000 years ago by modern humans - Homo sapiens sapiens - called Cro-Magnon Man after the French village where their remains were discovered. The brains of Cro-Magnons were no bigger than those of the Neanderthals, but they put them to new uses.

    Cro-Magnons brought with them the full range of modern human behaviours - sculpture, painting, elaborate burial of the dead, ornamentation of utilitarian objects, and so on. They were mighty hunters and in some of their caves they began to draw and paint the animals they hunted: mammoths, horses, wild oxen, bison, rhinoceros and reindeer. They supported some of their fellows as full-time artists. Also, many of their caves were used only for ritual worship. The achievements of the Cro-Magnons stand in stark contrast to those of the Neanderthals or any other hominids. The radically new behaviours of the Cro-Magnons were clearly underpinned by a new capacity to think symbolically. Understanding how this came about is one of the most interesting puzzles in biology. 

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  • SandSand 216 Pts

    >>>We are living in an ice age now and yet we survive. It’s startling you think science believes in fairytales yet you believe in a resurrected Jesus, do you not think that strange?<<<
    Could be.

    >>>Who told you this<<<
    Did they build a boat? Did they build a house?
    Unless we have evidence it is a fairy tale.

    >>>Again where did you get this misinformation from?<<<

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/quaternary/

    I have no evidence about food, clothing, and shelter.

    >>>Right???<<<
    LOL
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @Sand

    Right so your contention then is Jesus wasn’t really dead? 


    Yet we have skulls from Cro Mangan man so they ate , slept and produced unless that is you have a peer reviewed paper that turns such findings on their  head , do you?


    Your last link makes no sense regards the matter at hand 


    Lol 
    Sand
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 1577 Pts
    edited January 15
    Sand said:
    Science has a fairytale that has a Cro Magnon Man surviving 5 earth-wide ice ages no boat, no house, no preparation whatsoever, just happened.
    This fairytale Apelike Man not only survived but lived in it for 100,000 years, no food, no shelter, no clothing.
    Good thing hypothermia wasn't discovered yet.
    This fairytale of Cro-Magnon man surviving 5 "earth-wide ice ages" is of your own making really...

    1. There was no "earth-wide" ice ages, there was temperate climate at the equatorial longitudes where humans could survive with relative ease...

    2. Cro-Magnon was not around for the first big 4 (the Huronian (2.4-2.1 billion years ago), Cryogenian (850-635 million years ago), Andean-Saharan (460-430 mya), Karoo (360-260 mya)).
    Cro-Magnon appeared quite late in the Quaternary period around 40k years ago...

    3. Incredible and astonishing that mammals can survive in harsh winter conditions eh? How do wolves, elks, rabbits do it?? I mean, no boat, no house, no clothes, no food, no shelter, seems impossible right?  After all, humans only knew how to control fire since Homo Erectus, so over 1 million years before Cro-Magnon.............    :smirk: 
    Sand
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • SandSand 216 Pts
    Study shows that Neandertals or Cro-Magnoids are nothing more than anatomically-archaic Europeans.
    "The interpretation of these findings is not straightforward."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellin_Boule
    Arthritis............Hoax.........Fairytale.......same thing.
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    edited January 16
    @Sand

    Neanderthals are more primitive but stronger. Cro-Magnons are us. I really don’t know what point you’re attempting to make and your reference to Piltdown man is beyond me. So could you explain what is the fairytale you’re referring to? 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • SandSand 216 Pts
    In the article, it said the discovery samples had modern DNA in it.

    "Radiocarbon tests dated the layer to 28.100 (+/−350) years ago. Because of its fragmentary nature, the sample was neither restored nor studied from the morpho-anatomical point of view."

    So the discovery of Cro-Magnon Man and Neanderthals are just 350-year-old Europeans.
    Nevertheless, this study doesn't get all the attention as the discovery.
    So we have everyone still believing Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals actually existed.
    This is similar to Marcellin Boule when he discovered Piltdown Man was a hoax but asserted his studies on Neanderthals were ape-like legs but long arms as true.
    Later re-evaluations of the La Chapelle-aux-Saints skeleton have roundly discredited Boule's initial work on the specimen.
    Showing that it was actually a modern person with arthritis in his legs.
    Once again, this re-evaluation doesn't get all the attention as the discovery.

    So Cro-Magnon Man and Neanderthals only exist in the Geico commercials and are all fairy tales.

    Plaffelvohfen
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @Sand

    Cro-Magnons are us, so again I do not know what you’re hoping to achieve but there you go 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • @Sand

    That study does not say anything of the kind. It explores possible contamination of certain samples and its impact on certain findings. It by no means shows that Neanderthals have not existed.

    It is a pretty sophisticated study, hard to read for non-experts even with a huge experience in reading scientific literature. It is going to be near-impenetrable to non-experts with no or little of such experience. If you are not sure in your ability to go through it and understand it, then the least you can do is to not make far-fetched conclusions that the study by no means suggests.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @Sand

    Yet you said ...... Study shows that Neandertals or Cro-Magnoids are nothing more than anatomically-archaic Europeans

    Now you’re saying they’re ......fairytales .....oh dear 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • SandSand 216 Pts

    The study says "demonstrating a genealogical continuity across 28,000 years, from Cro-Magnoid to modern Europeans."
    As Dee said, there is no difference between Cro Magnoids and Humans.

    You know scientists of the future will discover Millennial Man.
    Cro Magnoids do not exist, they are just human bones.

  • SandSand 216 Pts

    You are right, I will reread the information.
  • @Dee Absolutely right.  The impact of various influences on non-belief are interesting to explore. But atheism needs no more explanation than that it is a completely natural reaction for intelligent people to reject that for which there is no credible evidence.
    Dee
  • @Sand

    I am not an expert, but genealogical continuity does not imply equality. There is genealogical continuity between crocodiles from 250 million years ago and today's crocodiles, but they are different species, albeit they do have a lot of similarities.
  • SandSand 216 Pts

    My problem is people's definition of species.
    Species - a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding.

    If you can exchange genes you are not a different species.
    Who cares about the years.

    Scientists cannot purposely get different species to interbreed, now.
    This genetic law that cannot be purposely broken, is broken only because of time?
    This process cannot happen now, but because of time, it happened in the past?
    It is not logical.
    If we cannot interbreed now, what made it so we could interbreed then?
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3409 Pts
    edited January 19
    @Sand

    This definition seems incomplete. We consider horses and donkeys different species, even though they are capable of interbreeding - however their offspring is sterile. And some different rodent species can interbreed and even produce fertile offspring, and they are still considered different species.

    It is commonly believed, for example, that Neanderthals have contributed up to 5% genes to the modern humans. However, they are still a separate evolutionary branch, now extinct. You could argue that technically they are not different species, based on your definition - but they are considered different by science, mostly due to the systematic genetic differences between them. Some genes being exchanged still can leave the overall genetic makeup between two groups of animals quite different.

    What do you mean by "we cannot interbreed now"? With whom? All the species genetically similar to humans are considered humans and can interbreed just fine. You could ask why humans cannot interbreed with apes (at least, as far as we know - the experiments have been very scarce, for ethical reasons), and that is a very complex question - but apes are pretty far away from us in terms of genetic makeup, so it should not be very surprising. 
    There are no non-human species we know of around that are generically very similar to us. It may have been different in the past, before we raised to the top of the food chain and exterminated our primary competitors.
  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
    @Sand

    @Dee

    @MayCaesar

    @kenpage

    This is the theme of the forum:

    "Is the Atheist movement, a probable byproduct of the Epicurus Effect?"

    Everyone of you are off topic.

    Please, get back on topic.

    If you have an issue with that request, please take it up with Aarong.


  • SandSand 216 Pts

    It seems all present animals rose to the top of their food chain and killed off other competitors.
    There seem to be peaks with no bridges.

    Don't you find it odd that all types of Neanderthals went extinct but all types of apes survived?
    Humans rose to the top of the food chain and surgically eliminated only one species, the bridge.

    Don't you find it odd that this same thing happened for every species that was a bridge to an alternative species?
    Between Species A and C, the B species is eliminated despite the number of varieties.
    Despite the location on the map, they are targeted for elimination.

    All types of species with 23 chromosomes died as soon as humans arrived.
    Australopithecus afarensis
    Homo Habilis
    Homo erectus
    Neanderthals
    Denisovans
    It still doesn't explain the bridge from 23 to 24 chromosomes.
    Scientists are still looking for the ape that bridges the peaks.

    Not just in Apes to Humans, but species to species.
    Any species that has more or fewer chromosomes.
    Also, species that have the same chromosomes cannot interbreed.
    The Chinese subspecies of Muntiacusmuntjac has 23 chromosomes.
    DNA sequencing prevents interbreeding.
    Meaning you can be exactly the same in every respect but something is not in the right place, you cannot interbreed.
    The sequence has to be similar plus the chromosomes and then you can interbreed.
    Meaning we could not interbreed even with Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo erectus, Homo Habilis, or Australopithecus afarensis.

    If we did not come from animals interbreeding how did we evolve?
  • @Sand

    Many species have eliminated their competitors in their primary habitats. For example, crocodiles dominate the Australian rivers and do not really compete with anything. Humans' habitat simply happens to be the entire Earth.
    In addition to that, humans possess intelligence, something no other animal does, and are able to eliminate competitors at a much faster rate; faster than the rate of those competitors' replacement through breeding. Or so the evidence suggests, at any rate.

    We did come from animals interbreeding. We have simply eliminated the products of other parallel evolutionary branches.
  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @TKDB

    ****  You are off topic.

    Please, get back on topic.

    If you have an issue with that request, please take it up with Aarong.
  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
    edited January 20
    You've all been .
    The below is the evidence of your off topic commentary:


    @MayCaesar
    "Many species have eliminated their competitors in their primary habitats. For example, crocodiles dominate the Australian rivers and do not really compete with anything. Humans' habitat simply happens to be the entire Earth.
    In addition to that, humans possess intelligence, something no other animal does, and are able to eliminate competitors at a much faster rate; faster than the rate of those competitors' replacement through breeding. Or so the evidence suggests, at any rate.

    We did come from animals interbreeding. We have simply eliminated the products of other parallel evolutionary branches."

    @Dee
    ****  You are off topic.

    "Please, get back on topic.

    If you have an issue with that request, please take it up with Aarong."

    @Sand
    "It seems all present animals rose to the top of their food chain and killed off other competitors.
    There seem to be peaks with no bridges.

    Don't you find it odd that all types of Neanderthals went extinct but all types of apes survived?
    Humans rose to the top of the food chain and surgically eliminated only one species, the bridge.

    Don't you find it odd that this same thing happened for every species that was a bridge to an alternative species?
    Between Species A and C, the B species is eliminated despite the number of varieties.
    Despite the location on the map, they are targeted for elimination.

    All types of species with 23 chromosomes died as soon as humans arrived.
    Australopithecus afarensis
    Homo Habilis
    Homo erectus
    Neanderthals
    Denisovans
    It still doesn't explain the bridge from 23 to 24 chromosomes.
    Scientists are still looking for the ape that bridges the peaks.

    Not just in Apes to Humans, but species to species.
    Any species that has more or fewer chromosomes.
    Also, species that have the same chromosomes cannot interbreed.
    The Chinese subspecies of Muntiacusmuntjac has 23 chromosomes.
    DNA sequencing prevents interbreeding.
    Meaning you can be exactly the same in every respect but something is not in the right place, you cannot interbreed.
    The sequence has to be similar plus the chromosomes and then you can interbreed.
    Meaning we could not interbreed even with Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo erectus, Homo Habilis, or Australopithecus afarensis.

    If we did not come from animals interbreeding how did we evolve?"



    Please, get back on topic.

    "Is the Atheist movement, a probable byproduct of the Epicurus Effect?"


  • SandSand 216 Pts

    So how is it even possible to bear another species?
    When sequencing and chromosomes prevent the exchanging of genes, it is impossible to make another species.
  • SandSand 216 Pts
    Lets continue this discussion somewhere else. I will make a new topic.

  • DeeDee 2364 Pts
    @TKDB

    "Please, get back on topic.

    If you have an issue with that request, please take it up with Aarong."
  • AlofRIAlofRI 830 Pts
    I'm an atheist. I'm NOT part of any "movement", I simply see NO reality in "gods". Epicurus does NOT influence me. After many years of BEING atheistic I heard of Epicurus, and he  agreed with MY theory. :smirk:  
     
  • TKDBTKDB 621 Pts
    @AlofRI

    Back your claim up?

    Show the public, your video evidence from your and Epicuru's conversation, where this historic moment took place?

    "After many years of BEING atheistic I heard of Epicurus, and he  agreed with MY theory. smirk "
    AlofRI
  • SandSand 216 Pts

    I am sorry for getting off-topic.
    Thanks for the reminder.

    Based on your explanation it sounds like that it could be the case, atheism is a byproduct.
    But then again atheism has taken on a lot of strides on its own.
    So much so that it could stand on its own merit.
  • AlofRIAlofRI 830 Pts
    TKDB said:
    @AlofRI

    Back your claim up?

    Show the public, your video evidence from your and Epicuru's conversation, where this historic moment took place?

    "After many years of BEING atheistic I heard of Epicurus, and he  agreed with MY theory. smirk "
    You know I can't. There's no "historical record" of AlofRI's conversion to atheism …. just like there's no ACTUAL record of Christ "rising" from the grave. Maybe you know of an historic video of THAT?? His body disappeared …. kind of like that Truckers Union guy ….. ;-)  You believe what you want, I'm THAT kind of atheist, I believe everyone should have the right to their own beliefs … like me. Can YOU back up your theory that I am a liar?? Maybe some "historical video"? When I did that the only "historical videos"  … home style … were on 8MM film. :angry:
  • The premise is doubtful.

    The atheist movement has always been around but it did get a shot in the arm when the world learned that logic and reason worked much better to describe reality than supernatural thinking.

    This documentary goes into greater detail of how people embraced logos instead of mythos to explain the world.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06542cg

    Regards
    DL
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