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What Christian Denomination Is Correct

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I Know Baptist Is
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  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    How do you know this?

    Consider this logical truth, there can be no more than 1 belief that is correct, but it could be 0.

    There are hundreds of thousands of gods, and countless more that were never invented. Most of them contradict each other, therefore they can not all be true. Because of this we can infer that no more than one can be correct, but it could still be 0.

    The overwhelming majority of religions are obviously invented, but you can only tell when you look at all of them, and not when you look at just one.
    GnosticChristian
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Happy_Killbot the Baptist use the only bible that has been preserved and correctly translated throughout time. The KJV has not EVER been changed except through translation. That means that GOD himself wrote the book and let man write it. Man use to be able to talk with god physically but now we can only do it through prayer. All the other book were written by a person by there own ideas
    GnosticChristian
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian

    Did you witness god writing the bible, or was it written down by men who were divinely inspired? How do you know that it is in fact, the word of god?

    This is more or less the same conversation from the other thread, so we can just continue it here or there if you are interested.
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • Happy_Killbot
  • @Happy_Killbot ;Because No One Has Ever Proven That the KJV is Not God's Word

    Any honest American should know that innocence is supposed to prevail in our land until guilt is proven.  The KJV should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Has anyone proven it guilty? No. Has any scholar actually PROVEN that there are errors in the King James Bible? No. Enemies of the KJV delight in IGNORING the facts about the Authorized Version, while never PROVING anything. All apparent "errors" in the KJV can be explained through prayer and a careful study of the scriptures, but the opponents of the KJV aren't interested in looking for TRUTH; they're interested attacking God's word, while never proving anything. I know the KJV is the word of God, because, over nearly four hundred years, no one has proven otherwise

    GnosticChristian
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian

    Ok, so I just read your post on the other thread and to summarize what you said, is that the Baptists are the only Christian denomination besides Catholics who use the KJV of the bible.

    But before we can say that this proves Baptists correct, we need to prove that the KJV of the bible is accurate in and of itself.

    What test or analysis can we do to show that it is in fact, god's word and not say, made up by con-men and people who wanted power and authority via religion?
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Happy_Killbot ;Virtually all of today’s cults (excepting the Jehovah’s Witnesses) prefer the King James version over the rest, including the Mormons, who also preach a “works-salvation.” Of course, this does not negate the worth of the King James version, but we could use this argument if we were to employ the same tactics of the KJV Only crowd. Compare Revelation 22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (KJV) Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. (ESV) If we were to use the KJV Only logic, we could assume on the basis of this verse that the King James translators were conspiring to take us back to the chains of Catholicism, while the ESV translators are translating faithfully God’s Word. Of course, this would be a ridiculous assumption, but it is the kind of reasoning that KJV Only advocates employ. Even John R. Rice, the founder of the (now KJV-Only) Sword of the Lord admitted in Our God-Breathed Book – The Bible that the KJV renders Revelation 22:14 incorrectly and that the ASV is more accurate here.
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian Just because some people prefer the KJV to other versions is not in and of itself proof of the text.

    Suppose I wrote an epic novel about witches and wizards battling it out for the heart of their school against a dark wizard.

    Would it be right to assume this is true just because it is in a book, or would you rather more evidence?
    GnosticChristian
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5970 Pts   -  
    Depends on what you mean by "correct". Strictly speaking, the only true Christian in history was Jesus of Nazareth; he is the only authority on the religion that is even named after him. And we only know a small fraction of what he really believed in, the rest having been lost to history.

    If we, on the other hand, agree that religion can evolve with time and can be interpreted subjectively, then no denomination is either "correct" or "incorrect"; each denomination is correct in its own right.
    GnosticChristian
  • @Happy_Killbot I just want to spit this out but the KJV is the best selling book of all time. Also Jesus Christ died for our sins and we don’t have to repent like a lot of religions do. Baptist wasn’t always called Baptist but it was the original religion. Baptist once being the largest denomination of Christianity is now one of the smallest at 15 million people out of the 2 billion Christians
    Happy_KillbotPlaffelvohfenGnosticChristian
  • @maycaeser In the KJV Jesus Christ tells us how to be a true Christian. In any other version this is not the case. So if we believe what he says in the Bible we are all true Christians 
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian That's interesting, but of little consequence to the nature of reality.

    Above you wrote that the KJV should be considered innocent until proven guilty. While I would certainly agree that this is an excellent stance in criminal court, I am not convinced that this should be the standard for knowledge.

    There are tons of other religions, many of which have no ties to Christianity, for example Buddhism and Hinduism. How do we know then that the works of these other religions is not correct, since they have also not been proven guilty?
    Plaffelvohfen
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Happy_Killbot in the Christian denomination 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    Christian denominations are a construct of man, not our Creator, Jesus Christ. Jesus did not establish a denomination in His own blood but He established the Church as His representative to a lost and dying World. Denominations are a construct of man and Satan, a very savvy military strategist who proficiently practices the tactic of "divide and conquer." Satan and his emissaries have been exceedingly successful in taking what was a very cohesive, informed, Spirit filled, first-century Church and fragmenting it into pagan Catholicism and protestant denominations such as Baptists, Pentecostals, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists and on and on it goes.

    Jesus, His Disciples/Apostles, had one specific message for our lost and dying World...

    Every man and woman has sinned and fallen short of God's perfect standard of righteousness and holiness (Romans 3:23); therefore, every man and woman having attained an age of reason-accountability are destined to death in Hell because God the Father will NOT permit anything impure to enter His Kingdom (Revelation 21:27); after all, this is why Lucifer was extricated from the Kingdom and this why the creation of matter, Time, the Universe, human KIND, has manifest so that God the Son can defeat the works of the Devil and prove to the faithful angles in the Kingdom the necessity of obedience and holiness.

    "...the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil."  1 John 3:8 (NASB)

    God, in His infinite mercy and grace, did not leave mankind in a hopeless condition of death in Hell but God, in order to defeat the works of the Devil, death, Hell and the grave, exited Eternity approximately 2019-yrs ago and entered Time through the womb of a virgin in order to circumvent the sin-nature passed through the blood-line of Adam, the first man (1 Corinthians 15:22). God in flesh, the incarnate God, Yeshua-Jesus, walked among mankind for 33.5-yrs and defined God the Father to everyone who would receive His message of Good News i.e. the Gospel. Jesus then walked to the horrors of a Roman Cross and shed His innocent blood for the payment of mankind's sin; Jesus was buried and on the third-day He was resurrected by the power of the Holy Spirit and defeated death, Hell and the grave for every man and woman and child that will believe in their heart, confess with their mouth that Jesus is God who died to pay their sin-debt and that He was resurrected for their justification leading to eternal life with God the Father subsequent to the death of the body in Time (Romans 10:9-10).

    Jesus emphatically taught that man cannot work himself to God but that God would selflessly give Himself for mankind through Messiah-Yeshua and ONLY by trusting in Jesus as Lord will mankind be found not guilty for sin and receive the imputation of Messiah's righteousness/perfection over one's life (John 3:16; 2 Corinthians 5:21).

    The constructs of man and Satan i.e. "denominations" are a waste of precious time in bickering and division when the simplicity and purity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the totality of all Scripture.

    Jesus' first sermon...



  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian

    Why does a Christian denomination have to be true? Isn't it possible for another non-Christian religion to be correct?
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  •  @Happy_Killbot Buddhism was founded by a fat baby and all they do is sit and hum and wear orange prison suites
    Plaffelvohfen
  • @Happy_Killbot if I can’t change you than so be it you might burn in hell or you could at least just get saved by Jesus Christ. After that there is no way you can lose salvation so you can pretty much do anything after that “not recommended
    Plaffelvohfen
  • @Happy_Killbot let’s just drop it now 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian That's a bit disrespectful to Buddhists don't you think?

    This doesn't solve the problem though.

    Suppose a Buddhist feels the same way about their beliefs that you do about Jesus. Both of you can not be right, as I demonstrated above.

    How can we prove who if anyone is right?
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Happy_Killbot let’s just drop it now 
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian
    Even if we don't consider other religions, we still run into a similar problem, because their is massive disagreement even between the most similar Christian denominations, and similarly, no more than one can be true (it could still be 0).

    You have stated that the KJV of the bible is more accurate and has not be modified, but you have also admitted that some other denominations use the KJV.

    So we still need an answer then, of a way to confirm which is the correct religion. Do you have any ideas of how this might be done?

    Maybe you can start by talking about your own faith if you don't know a way off the top of your head. Tell me what gives you your god beliefs, and specifically draws you to be a Baptist Christian.
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5970 Pts   -  
    @maycaeser In the KJV Jesus Christ tells us how to be a true Christian. In any other version this is not the case. So if we believe what he says in the Bible we are all true Christians 
    But the Bible was written by the followers of Jesus, not by himself, and could have a twisted interpretation of his actual beliefs. The best version to go by is the historical recordings of Jesus' actual words, and those are fairly scarce and, again, mostly told by third parties.

    Unless we find one day something like a book that has been proven to have been written by Jesus of Nazareth, we can only partially know what he believed, and hence a fully authentic version of Christianity cannot be reconstructed.
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @BaptistChristian

    You can not convert me, but have you tried to convert yourself?
    BaptistChristian
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    ***** I Know Baptist Is

    You asked a question and then answered it . So the Westboro Baptist’s are correct right? 
  • SandSand 307 Pts   -  

    The correct one can be a broad subject.
    It is easier to say which ones are not correct.

    But one of the main criteria since we are under the law of love.

    Any Denomination that has members or allows its members to support war is not correct.

    1 John 4:20 - "If we say we love God, but hate others, we are liars. For we cannot love God, whom we have not seen, if we do not love others, whom we have seen." - GNT
    Romans 12:17-21 - "Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. Therefore “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."

    I personally feel that Catholic and Muslim (If you want to call Muslim Christian) bear too strong of a responsibility to be correct.
    It would be better if both of those Religions are disbanded.


    GnosticChristian
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @Sand
    War is not about hate, war is about politics, which is about resources and their distribution.
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot let’s just drop it now 
    Ok, so you do agree that you have no arguments.. It figures...
    GnosticChristianZeusAres42
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • I Know Baptist Is
    If so, why are you not able to do apologetics for it where I have shown you the glitches in it?


    You, like others who think their particular brands are #1, keep running away from moral questions.

    This brings ridicule to your religion and that is the worst thing a religionist can do.

    Regards
    DL
  •  I know the KJV is the word of God, because, over nearly four hundred years, no one has proven otherwise

    I know that your god is a fictional character because, in over nearly 6,000 years, no one has proven otherwise.

    If you are going to give time authority, my time is bigger than your time.

    My god is also more moral than all genocidal gods like yours, because,  in over nearly 6,000 years, no one has proven otherwise.

    Regards
    DL

  • @Sand
    War is not about hate, war is about politics, which is about resources and their distribution.

    Yes and no. Don't you hate that.

    Is it not political hate, --- created by the fact that the "enemy" has  and is profiting from the resources, --- that provides the impetus for the war?

    Regards
    DL




  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @GnosticChristian
    It's more complex than that. It is true that anger, fear, and resentment and be a critical determining factor in the escalation or foundation of conflict, but often these emotions are artificially generated rather than natural.

    That is to say, the decision for war predicated the emotional attachment to that conflict.

    Sometimes an emotional leader will get in control of a military, in which case the relationship can flip flop, and the emotions come first and the thinking comes second, but even this doesn't usually justify conflict unless there is some event to spark the conflict and some greater reason to have that conflict.
    GnosticChristian
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @GnosticChristian
    It's more complex than that. It is true that anger, fear, and resentment and be a critical determining factor in the escalation or foundation of conflict, but often these emotions are artificially generated rather than natural.

    That is to say, the decision for war predicated the emotional attachment to that conflict.

    Sometimes an emotional leader will get in control of a military, in which case the relationship can flip flop, and the emotions come first and the thinking comes second, but even this doesn't usually justify conflict unless there is some event to spark the conflict and some greater reason to have that conflict.
    It is indeed complex.

    What you put reminds me of the rumors right after Pearl Harbor, when some thought that the U.S. government intentionally allowed the attack to shift the public opinion of those who did not want to enter WWII.

    That and Bush invoking god as his impetus to attack Iraq.

    Regards
    DL

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