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Bernie Sanders (Socialist) is leading the Democrat Party. Still saying most Dems are not Socialists?
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If I had a nickel every time a Democrat told me that these Democrats, with extreme positions, are the minority in their Party, I would be rich.

I have lived long enough to understand that Democrat Politicians will deny any extreme position UNTIL enough voters have flip flopped to the extreme positions. Then these same deceptive Democrats have an epiphany and totally change their spots.

Here's a few examples...

Remember when Democrats claimed to be prolife in the 70's and 80's, before the voters flip flopped?

Remember when Democrats supported the Hyde Amendment (protecting tax payers from paying to abort babies), and now every Democrat Presidential candidate vows to end the Hyde Amendment.

Remember when Democrats claimed to capitalists and now are voting for a Socialist?

Remember when Democrats like Obama pretended to be against Gay marriage, until getting elected and the becoming a Gay marriage cheer leader?

Remember when Democrats claimed they only wanted to ban so called assault rifles, until the Democrats in New York tried to make our hunting rifles illegal.

I could go on and on, but when I hear a Democrat tell me something, I laugh!

When Trump tells me he will do something, I believe it because he has proven he does what he says he will do.


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  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 2803 Pts
    edited February 11
    A socialist leading the Democratic polls does not mean that most Democrats are socialist; Sanders currently has approximately 25% support, so the best you could say based on this piece of evidence alone is that 25% of the Democrats who have expressed their opinion would like a candidate that happens to be a socialist to win the primaries. There is a huge gap between this piece of evidence and the claim that "most Democrats are socialists".

    Your actual post also contains nothing that supports your claim in the title; you talk about how Democrats have changed many of their positions over time and how they allegedly speak lies all the time, which has absolutely nothing to do with whether Democrats are socialists or not.

    Your post is a huge mess from the logical perspective. I do agree with your sentiment that there is a dangerous concentration of socialists and socialist apologists in the Democratic party these days, but you chose a very poor way to argue your case.
    smoothieWe_are_accountableAlofRI
  • You can use your same argument about Democrats who vote for capitalists. You could say that capitalist Democrats currently have only 25% of the vote and therefore the majority of Democrat voters are not capitalists.

    The fact remains that a Socialist is beating the capitalist Democrats, and if Sanders wins the Primaries, there will be a majority of Democrats who will vote for him.

    The point of my debate was to give many examples of why we can not believe a word coming out of the Democrat Party. I used the Socialist example in the title. BAN ME!

    They are as extreme as we say they are. They pretend to be moderate until there are enough votes to come out of the extreme Left closet.@MayCaesar
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 2803 Pts
    edited February 11
    @We_are_accountable

    No, you could say that 25% of the Democrats who have expressed their opinion would like a candidate that happens to be a capitalist. Which is a very different claim from what you are making.
    Granted, I do not see how you came to that 25% number, given that Biden and Warren verbally have expressed support for regulated capitalism, and they together already have around 40% vote. But whatever.

    If you believe a word coming out of any politician's mouth without before they actually have acted on their word, then you are being played.
    smoothie
  • Most Democrats siding with Bernie are siding with him because he's talking (and MEANS) to concentrate on helping the middle class and below.
    He's talking about wrenching total control from capitalists and the 1% that is being fed more of the national treasure every year. He doesn't want to "destroy capitalism" in what may have happened in the ORIGINAL socialism which was in a totally different time. He knows we NEED to wrest control FROM capitalists, get THEM under regulation that prevents them from destroying the environment, cheating WE, the people, and bringing the government BACK to OF and BY the people. THAT'S the kind of socialism we can live with. 

    Nazi and communistic socialism (authoritarian controlled), will NEVER work. Without capitalism it will NEVER work! Authoritarians have always used it as a tool to control the people. It was not an economic system based on equality of and by the people, it was a tool to keep them in line, a physical propaganda to make it LOOK like "the peoples government" was working for "the people". ;-)  NOPE!

    Without democracy AND capitalism (regulated to protect "the people"), socialism is just as dangerous as capitalism out of control! We need a balance and a level of equality …. the right to make as much money as one can, but not use it to control the government, and to use a portion of that money to improve our surroundings FOR EVERYBODY (taxes and donations).

    Socialistic programs have to go through the Congress and be approved by the Senate, then, again, approved by the President. They are "filtered" through the government, like any OTHER program! They have to be something the majority of the country wants and approves of …. that's how it's SUPPOSED to be, in a democracy. THIS administration FAR more resembles Nazism, or communism. I wouldn't want that kind of socialism either! Democracy must have a balance of capitalism AND socialism for WE, the people, not THEY, the ones with all our money who pay a maximum of 11% on average, while WE carry the load!
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountable
  • Until Trump, I did not beieve a word coming out of any politician's mouth. Trrump is not a career Politician trained in the art of saying one thing and doing another. His accomlishments were all the things he said he would do before getting elected.@MayCaesar
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • More flip flops and deception from you and Democrats. You will be voting for a Socialist which is one more step to our great nation becoming socialist. All your words have nothng to do with Trump. He is the only politician I have ever followed who cares for all Americans and his policies are helping all Americans.

    Democrats care about their LGBT and Feminist Americans! The rest of us are their piggy banks.@AlofRI
    PlaffelvohfensmoothieAlofRI
  • Until Trump, I did not beieve a word coming out of any politician's mouth. Trrump is not a career Politician trained in the art of saying one thing and doing another. His accomlishments were all the things he said he would do before getting elected.@MayCaesar
    LOLOLOLOLOL

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=donald-trump
    DeeWe_are_accountableAlofRI
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • @We_are_accountable

    That only means that you have been played by Trump. What makes you think that politicians coming from the outside are going to be any different? It is not about what environment people have worked in; it is about what incentives politics bestows on people. The most noble politician is likely to play the same dirty game, and, of all people, Trump is certainly not an exception.

    Never make an exception for any politician; you are going to get burned almost every time if you do.
    smoothie
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @We_are_accountable

    **** All your words have nothng to do with Trump. He is the only politician I have ever followed who cares for all Americans

    But you said Trumps buddy Limbaugh was not racist as asking a black woman “to take the bone out of her nose “ was by no means a racist remark , your word is worth  nothing you’re a spineless character and most of what you say is meaningless party political broadcasting 
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountableAlofRI
  • Should you be turned in for being uncivil and derogatory towards me? If you are just a rude Trol and insulting people for their opinions, should you be banned from this site?@Dee
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • I told you, Trump has proven what he said he would do. This is not my belief, this is fact. I believe no politician until they prove me wrong. Trump proved me wrong.@MayCaesar
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • I guess facts are funny to you.@Plaffelvohfen
    AlofRI
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 1132 Pts
    edited February 11
    @We_are_accountable

    No, you are funny... Deluded individuals always make me laugh...
    smoothieAlofRI
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @We_are_accountable


    ***** Should you be turned in for being uncivil and derogatory towards me?

    Ha , Ha you’re a racist and what a shocker when called what you are you get all butt hurt 

     ***If you are just a rude Trol and insulting people for their opinions,

    Yes it’s terribly insulting to call a racist a racist, which is why you kiss Limbaughs butt 

    ****should you be banned from this site? 

    You would love that so you could could continue your hate campaign wouldn’t you?
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @We_are_accountable


    ***** Should you be turned in for being uncivil and derogatory towards me?

    Ha , Ha you’re a racist and what a shocker when called what you are you get all butt hurt 

     ***If you are just a rude Trol and insulting people for their opinions,

    Yes it’s terribly insulting to call a racist a racist, which is why you kiss Limbaughs butt 

    ****should you be banned from this site? 

    You would love that so you could could continue your hate campaign wouldn’t you?
  • So you laugh at yourself a lot?@Plaffelvohfen
    PlaffelvohfensmoothieAlofRI
  • I told you, Trump has proven what he said he would do. This is not my belief, this is fact. I believe no politician until they prove me wrong. Trump proved me wrong.@MayCaesar
    Interesting how virtually all fact-checkers, even ones with proven record of impartiality, find hundreds promises that Trump has not hold. In fact, I can think of a few right now, such as "Mexico will pay for the wall", which never happened and will never happen.

    Trump did get a lot of things he promised done, but he also promised a lot of things that he never did. That is a fact, one you are refusing to accept, because you have suppressed your critical thinking when it comes to Trump. Trump has managed to create a personality cult around him which you have fallen a victim to. Not a very uncommon thing; Obama created a similar cult, for example. It is just interesting how people seeing many personality cults for what they are still manage to fall victims to some of them.
    PlaffelvohfensmoothieAlofRI
  • Partisan brainwash is strong. I feel like politics is the new religion when it comes to putting a candidate on a pedestal and ignoring every lie and bad thing they have done. As long as you can scavenge things to praise them for, go ahead...

    Trump is like every other politician.
    PlaffelvohfenMayCaesar
    The trolls have taken over this website
  • I told you, Trump has proven what he said he would do. This is not my belief, this is fact. I believe no politician until they prove me wrong. Trump proved me wrong.@MayCaesar
    Trump promised to: protect Medicare and Medicaid from cuts. Two promises broken. He has sought to slash $800B from low income Americans.
    Trump promised to protect the ACA and preserve pre-existing conditions clauses. Two promises broken. 
    Trump promised to deliver a major infrastructure plan. Promise broken. (There're several sitting under Moscow Mitch's desk …. from the Congress.)
    Trump promised to eliminate the National Debt w/in 8 years. Instead it has ballooned to $3T in 3 years. Promise broken.
    Trump promised "Mexico will pay for the wall"! Instead, he's spending taxpayers money to the tune upwards of $20B, mostly stolen from our military.
    Trump promised a growth rate of annual 3%. Grew to 2.9% in 2018, slowed to 2.3% in 2019, projected to go lower for 2020. (2 more promises broken)
    Trump promised to save $300B /yr by allowing negotiations for lower drug prices (ON DAY ONE)! Backed off and experts said that amount wasn't possible.
    Trump promised the tax cut would pay for itself. CBO says its led to $1T deficit in 2020  because it has led to a reduction in new revenue. (2 more)
    Trump promised to protect gays, to protect DAKA, to protect the environment, to fix gun laws (after the school shootings), to keep Iran from building nuclear weapons, to solve the middle east / Israeli problem, to have a great (and loving), treaty with N. Korea, to make China pay for his tariffs and make our farmers RICH! (He's payed ("socialized") the farmers with OUR tax money (while they go broke)! 8 more promises broken! 

    Trump has proven he can NOT do what he said he would do! HE
    is not accountable. :'(

    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountablesmoothie
  • Trump is doing everything he said he would do! He's only been in office three years and has already accomplished more than Obama even thought of doing. He will continue doing what he said he would do if at all possible with these hatefilled Democrats.

    Trump is protecting pre existing illnesses! You are the liar!

    Mexico is finally securing our borders from illegals, something they have not been doing!

    It's amazing he has accomplished so much without one bit of help from the obstructionist Democrats. He is truly a smart man to be able to accomplish so many things without their help.

    After four more years, you will be able to check off many more promises!@AlofRI
    AlofRIPlaffelvohfen
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 2803 Pts
    edited February 12
    Replace "Trump" with "Putin", and you get what I had to deal with for over a decade before bailing out of Russia. 

    "Putin has fulfilled all the promises he made!"
    "Really? Here is the list of his promises that he failed to fulfill."
    "Lies! He has achieved everything he promised, and more!"
    "Are you just going to ignore the list I provided?"
    "You are a traitor, and your words are lies!"

    It is surprising to see the same type of almost religious pro-leader fervor in the US, a country well known for its population being extremely critical of the government. Trump managed to sell his personality cult well indeed.
    PlaffelvohfensmoothieAlofRIWe_are_accountable
  • Trump is doing everything he said he would do! He's only been in office three years and has already accomplished more than Obama even thought of doing. He will continue doing what he said he would do if at all possible with these hatefilled Democrats.

    Trump is protecting pre existing illnesses! You are the liar!

    Mexico is finally securing our borders from illegals, something they have not been doing!

    It's amazing he has accomplished so much without one bit of help from the obstructionist Democrats. He is truly a smart man to be able to accomplish so many things without their help.

    After four more years, you will be able to check off many more promises!@AlofRI
    You lose. Have a nice day.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • Trump is doing everything he said he would do! He's only been in office three years and has already accomplished more than Obama even thought of doing. He will continue doing what he said he would do if at all possible with these hatefilled Democrats.

    Trump is protecting pre existing illnesses! You are the liar!

    Mexico is finally securing our borders from illegals, something they have not been doing!

    It's amazing he has accomplished so much without one bit of help from the obstructionist Democrats. He is truly a smart man to be able to accomplish so many things without their help.

    After four more years, you will be able to check off many more promises!@AlofRI
    I like Bernie, I like Elizabeth. I am not figuring on voting for either …. unless they are the choice of the majority. I'm NOT a socialist, but socialism is better than the Nazism we are falling into now! No law, unless it comes from Mein Capitan Heel spurs! No rights, unless you "lick HIS boots"! No NOTHING, unless you are a supporter of HIS right to allow YOUR rights as he sees them. Nazis WERE socialists … national socialists …. the BAD kind. 

    Trump has, in court, an attempt to do away with the ACA, especially the part about pre-existence. Also he is taking health care away from "actual" children and the mothers of "virtual" ones! YOU are a blind in one eye, and can't see out of the other. Unless you are told WHAT to see!

    Try some of that "fake news" you are told to DIS-believe, Open those eyes and see the news you have been missing … if you DARE! If you still have one drop of common sense left …. if you are not a (complete) puppet!

    I DO agree that, after 4 more years we would be able to check off many more promises, OR ELSE!
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