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Atheistic Logic: If only I wasn't an Atheist, I could get by with anything. True or False?
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By RickeyDRickeyD 408 Pts edited February 11

Atheistic logic: “If only I wasn’t an atheist, I could get away with anything. You’d just ask for forgiveness and be forgiven. It sounds much better than having to deal with guilt.” Keira Knightly

Christian response…

God the Father knows your heart (Psalm 139:2) and you will not flippantly find forgiveness of sin by mere request in your unbelief; in fact, God does not entertain the prayers of unbelievers (John 9:31) unless that prayer is one seeking obedience to the Son, Jesus Christ, as Lord (Jeremiah 29:11-13).

If you are an atheist, you are truly on your own in the cosmos and you are estranged from the Covenants of God and the promises contingent upon faith in Jesus Christ as Lord (Ephesians 2:1-10); therefore, unless the atheist is willing to humble them self, repent of their sins, acknowledge their need for forgiveness, sincerely believe in their heart and confess Jesus Christ as God who died to pay their sin-debt and believe that He was resurrected for their justification leading to Eternal life (Romans 10:9-10), the unbeliever, the atheist, the religionist, the cultist, will surely die in their sin (John 8:24) and they will die a second death in Hell (Revelation 20:11-15). Why?

Because God the Father is NOT going to permit unrepentant sin to enter His Kingdom upon death of your body in Time (Revelation 21:27). It is sin having manifest in the Kingdom of God before the creation of Time and the expulsion of the culpable parties that is the causation for all of creation that is temporarily constrained by Time/physics; therefore, God the Father is certainly not going to allow your destructive sin to defile His Kingdom (1 John 3:8b; Isaiah 14:12-14; Ezekiel 28:14-18; Luke 10:18; Revelation 12).

Atheistic flippancy and carelessness, mockery, toward the justice and holiness of God will only incite greater wrath at Judgment (Ezekiel 24:14). The facade of Atheism clearly identifies the "fool" of Time and Eternity (Psalm 14:1; Proverbs 1:7; Proverbs 9:10; Romans 1:18-32).





TKDB



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  • Did you not get the last message I posted to you? It was the following:

    I am going to ask you one or more things and I want you to refrain judgment, biases, etc and just read the questions. I genuinely would like to get more of an understanding of
    you. And I agree that there are some people that just like to mock religion to you to get a rise out of you. I understand that sometimes this is nothing more than inflammatory behavior. So please refrain from thinking you need to shield yourself from me when I ask you some questions. And I understand that I too have acted in an inflammatory way toward you in the past which I was wrong to do. But that is not my style, nor intention here.

    So, are you really religious and actually believe everything you say about God as well as about all Atheists? Or are you actually an Atheist yourself that has decided to troll theism here as well as atheism by mocking atheists and other theistic religions? Now, I don't care And if you are trolling and if you are, are you doing this to try to fill in some empty void in your life right now?

    And if it is the case you actually see yourself as very religious that believe all this stuff about God and about Atheists then at what point did you actually become religious? And at what point in your life did you decide that Atheists were some kind of bad people?




    AlofRIPlaffelvohfen









  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    Christians don’t need logic they use ......

    Godidit! .......anything they don't understand, is obviously the result of God. The term is used as a general excuse for the unknown
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • Ms. Knightley's quote was seemingly written for the current occupier of the White House, but, as usual, he does what he wants, regardless.

    Going to the National Prayer Breakfast once a year and acting like President Rump gives him the "forgiveness" to get away with anything he wants. AHH, Christianity ………..

    Can anyone say …. hypocrisy …..??
    Plaffelvohfen
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 1134 Pts
    edited February 12
    @RickeyD Why are you so afraid of having a genuine and decent discussion with me?









  • Dee said:
    Christians don’t need logic they use ......

    Godidit! .......anything they don't understand, is obviously the result of God. The term is used as a general excuse for the unknown

    @Dee the only true logical Theist is the one that realizes that his beliefs are rested on faith. There is a big difference between a Theist that claims that they have faith in a God as opposed to one that tries to claim their reasons for believing in God are based on logical reasoning. The latter doesn't even know what logical reasoning is.
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI









  • TKDBTKDB 455 Pts
    @Dee

    @ZeusAres42

    @AIofRI

    @Plaffelvohfen


    God has done millions of things that Humanity is responsible for:

    Humans raping humans.

    Humans killing other humans through Mass shooting gun violence.

    The human trafficking, of U.S. citizens.

    Murder/ Suicide.

    Humans doing Abortions on other humans.

    Humans waging global Wars against other humans.

    Some humans teaching other humans how to Hate, and Discriminate, against others, who don't look like them, or think like them, or to be anti Religious against others, because Hate, and Discrimination, are easy subjects to teach behind the closed doors of some of the humans, who are teaching other humans, how to grow up in the teachings of their hateful and discriminatory ways? 
    AlofRIPlaffelvohfen
  • @TKDB Indeed, and some have even done that in God's name. What a shame eh?
    Dee










  • I am going to ask you one or more things and I want you to refrain judgment, biases, etc and just read the questions. I genuinely would like to get more of an understanding of
    you. And I agree that there are some people that just like to mock religion to you to get a rise out of you. I understand that sometimes this is nothing more than inflammatory behavior. So please refrain from thinking you need to shield yourself from me when I ask you some questions. And I understand that I too have acted in an inflammatory way toward you in the past which I was wrong to do. But that is not my style, nor intention here.

    So, are you really religious and actually believe everything you say about God as well as about all Atheists? Or are you actually an Atheist yourself that has decided to troll theism here as well as atheism by mocking atheists and other theistic religions? Now, I don't care And if you are trolling and if you are, are you doing this to try to fill in some empty void in your life right now?

    And if it is the case you actually see yourself as very religious that believe all this stuff about God and about Atheists then at what point did you actually become religious? And at what point in your life did Do you decide that Atheists were some kind of bad people?

    Do feel you need to shield yourself from me. If you really see the world as it is and hold true to your words then what have you really to fear?










  • TKDBTKDB 455 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    Show me where God, has ever taught Humanity in general, how to Hate, or Discriminate towards other humans?

    No, humanity should be ashamed.

    "@TKDB Indeed, and some have even done that in God's name. What a shame eh?"

    Look at what Humanity has done, in the NAME of itself?

    Humans raping humans.

    Humans killing other humans through Mass shooting gun violence.

    The human trafficking, of U.S. citizens.

    Murder/ Suicide.

    Humans doing Abortions on other humans.

    Humans waging global Wars against other humans.

    Some humans teaching other humans how to Hate, and Discriminate, against others, who don't look like them, or think like them, or to be anti Religious against others, because Hate, and Discrimination, are easy subjects to teach behind the closed doors of some of the humans, who are teaching other humans, how to grow up in the teachings of their hateful and discriminatory ways?  
    Dee
  • @TKDB Okay, that's fair enough. Now, do you mind responding to my latest response to you? :)









  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 2803 Pts
    edited February 12
    Keira's point is not about heaven/hell, but about the implication that you can somehow wash away the past by performing some mental/emotional exercise. The truth is, you cannot; if, for example, you sinned and stole someone's money, then, no matter how much you pray and repent, that person will not get that money back. The only way to actually redeem yourself is to give them their money back, perhaps with some extra as a moral compensation. It still will not wash away the past, but it will, at least, provide some closure to you and the person you have wronged.

    Christians constantly talk about the inner work you have to do, forgoing the outer work as less relevant, if at all. I have the same problem with all the Buddhist things such as "enlightenment" and "meditation": meditate all you want, and it definitely has some benefits - but, at the end of the day, you are not going to accomplish anything in life by just sitting on the floor. You have to get out in the world and do something, and while meditation can help you do that more efficiently, it in itself is not going to cut it.
  • TKDBTKDB 455 Pts
    edited February 12
    @ZeusAres42

    Nope, I'm not going to be AFFECTED by your questions.

    I see how you like to affect the internet with your non Religious rationale.
    Dee
  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    Nope, I'm not going to be AFFECTED by your questions.

    Have a good evening.

    @TKDB That's good then. You should ideally have no trouble answering me right? So, what are your answers? Or would you rather have a discussion in public? We don't need to travel by the way to have a public debate. We can actually do that online if you want? I can't right now but I would be very willing to over the weekend if you're up to it?









  • TKDBTKDB 455 Pts
    edited February 12
    @ZeusAres42

    I'm pro kids, pro family, pro community, pro Religious Freedom, and pro Atheist, and your opinion and perception has been noted.

    So ANYTIME you want to DEBATE me face to face, you let me know?

    I want the news media to see how the anti Religious debate online, but in person, starring YOU, or any other anti Religious individual want to engage in a REAL WORLD debate in person with me?


    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    I'm pro kids, pro family, pro community, pro Religious Freedom, and pro Atheist, and your opinion and perception has been noted.

    So ANYTIME you want to DEBATE me face to face, you let me know?

    I want the news media to see how the anti Religious debate online, but in person, starring YOU, or any other anti Religious individual want to engage in a REAL WORLD debate in person with me?



    @TKDB Great. We can do an online video debate over the weekend. Just one thing you might want to rethink is me being anti-religious. If you come to a debate thinking I am anti-religious then that could very likely lead to your demise in the debate. However, that is your choice.









  • TKDBTKDB 455 Pts
    edited February 12
    @ZeusAres42

    Nope, a Real World Debate in front of a news media outlet Camera.

    Take it or leave it.

    I want the Public to see our faces.

  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    Nope, a Real World Debate in front of a news media outlet Camera.

    Take it or leave it.

    I want the Public to see our faces.


    No news outlet is gonna care about our debate about religion or atheism. An online public video debate is still possible where all others can see through at their leisure though. Take it or leave it @TKDB









  • TKDBTKDB 455 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    Your response is laughable.

    Yeah, I'm not PANDERING to you Zeus.
    You're too comfortable doing your internet enabled shtick.

    ZeusAres42Dee
  • TKDB said:
    @ZeusAres42

    Your response is laughable.

    Yeah, I'm not PANDERING to you Zeus.
    You're too comfortable doing your internet enabled shtick.



    What day is best for you? Saturday or Friday night London time? 

    Fyi, I've actually had many public debates in the past via a multi video feed online. I guess in the last year or so I've just been chilling out.











  • @ZeusAres42 ; Ask your question, one at a time, be specific, I will respond. Be clear, articulate, succinct. Thanks, Rick


  • @ZeusAres42 ; I've tried...again, ask your question...be articulate, understandable, succinct...let's discuss ONE subject at a time.
  • @ZeusAres42 ; @TKDB ; I think Zeus is definitely a "lesser" god...without sincerity or courage...let's wait and see his first question.
  • @ZeusAres42 ; Why don't we single-out one specific debate page...you and me...let's do this...would you like me to configure the debate page title. Just you and me...we will pay no attention to the input of others. Deal?
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    edited February 13
    @TKDB

    ***** Some humans teaching other humans how to Hate, and Discriminate, against others, who don't look like them, or think like them, or to be anti Religious against others, because Hate, and Discrimination, are easy subjects to teach behind the closed doors of some of the humans, who are teaching other humans, how to grow up in the teachings of their hateful and discriminatory ways? 

    You mean like you and your fellow “Christians”  who condemn same sex relationships?
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @TKDB

    You’re a chicken.......
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @TKDB

    You’re a chicken.......
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @TKDB

    Still terrified of answering questions Ricky said he will do it for you seeing as you’re terrified 
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @TKDB

    Tell me have you arranged the news media and camera crew and how did you manage to do so? 

    Bet you won’t answer as usual 
  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    Thats true enough , the one thing I’ve noted though is that  a lot of Christians will admit their claims are faith based , when you then explain what that actually means they will go full circle and deny it’s faith based .....


    I use Matt Delahunty from The Atheist Experiences definition of faith 


    ..... Faith is the excuse people give for believing something when they don't have a good reason.

  • RickeyDRickeyD 408 Pts
    edited February 14
    @Dee ; @ZeusAres42 Christian faith is logical, reasonable. The faith you define is the initiating faith that leads to assured faith. For one to know God personally, one must first be willing to internalize the preliminary evidence provided in the supernatural World that engulfs us 24/7 and then step-out in "faith" and diligently pursue this Creator...when one does this in faith with a sincere heart, our Creator reciprocates.

    When our Creator reciprocates, a relationship is initiated and when that relationship comes to fruition, you receive the Holy Spirit who takes-up residence within you and the preliminary faith expressed to initiate the relationship becomes substantive faith that is under girded by experiential faith which is more accurately defined as blessed assurance.

    When you idolize servants of Satan like Delahunty, you put another paver in the road of perdition for yourself. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man...especially those who are pointing you to death in Hell (Psalm 118:8).




  • DeeDee 1491 Pts
  • @Dee ; Jesus Christ and those who love Him don't advocate for political positions but for the word of God and its Truth...if a politician's position aligns with Scripture, they are supported.  You can obfuscate, lie, deceive, but the fact remains, Dee. You're a sinner headed to death in Hell and unless you repent of your sin and sincerely believe-trust in Jesus as Lord, you will not see life in God's Kingdom.

    You support the Party of death and Hell and deception...you cannot justify the murder of babies in the womb; unconscionable sexual perversion destroying our posterity; the support of socialism-Leninism that has murdered 100-million people in the last Century. You're wrong Dee...you're on the wrong side of Time and Eternity and unless you repent, you will reap what you sow.


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