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When forcing tax payers to pay for College loans, what do you tell those who paid their debt?
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Democrats are ONCE AGAIN buying votes, telling irresponsible voters that their College debt will be forgiven if you VOTE FOR ME!
This debt forgiveness will of course be taken out of hard working American paychecks.

Here are a few questions to ask before voting for these closet Socialists stealing your money for votes...

What message does this send to the responsible students and parents, who stayed within their means, not taking out huge loans that could never be paid back. It sends the message that you can have your cake and eat it too! In every part of life, you simply live above your means because tax payers will someday be forced to pay you off.

What do you think will happen to tuition costs and enrollments in Colleges, when anyone can go there regardless the cost? As with everything else the Government touches, costs will skyrocket when subsidized by tax payers.

We are over 20 TRILLION in debt, so who will pay for all this free stuff? If you actually believe that only Rich people will pay for this... YOU TRULY NEED SERIOUS HELP!

What will this do to all the Valedictorians etc., who earned their spot in expensive Universities?

What person will want to keep paying off their school debt, if they now believe the debt might someday be forgiven?

Democrats are truly destroying the work ethic in this nation. They constantly push forth the no fault ideology whereby you are not responsible for the choices in your life.

The Left tells you... IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT when taking out those huge loans.
For all those responsible hard working students choosing less costly Colleges? You have become saps!

The results of this Leftist Socialistic no fault ideology can be seen with so many people refusing to pay back debt from their Credit cards, automobiles, home mortgages, etc. etc.

Remember the so called great recession when Democrats told banks to give home loans to people with bad credit risks? How did that work out?

YOU will be paying to bail out spoiled dead beats choosing to live beyond their means, NOT RICH PEOPLE!

YOU!
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  • @We_are_accountable ;  I would like to know as I paid many thousands-of-dollars for my children's undergraduate education.  I observed an angry father questioning Warren the other day about this subject and she basically said "tough"...she didn't care. Democrat-Progressives are disingenuous demons. 
    We_are_accountableAlofRIStoneTTB
  • Yes, her answer is the same as most of these extreme Democrats. They say tough to every tax payer. They say that irresponsible people are entitled to your money. They have created a corrupt Government that punishes hard workers and rewards the irresponsible.@RickeyD
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  • I am quite happy with this. Mass loan forgiveness will translate to even higher tuition fees, which, in turn, will increase income of universities, resulting in a higher salary for me. Vote for Sanders, guys! Subsidise me! I need my luxury houses and cars. :)
  • "How dare people ban child labour, how's that fair on all the people who used to work as 5 year olds?" - A stable genius
    We_are_accountablePlaffelvohfenAlofRIStoneTTB
  • To compare this to child labor deserves no response.@Ampersand
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  • Yes, the Democrat Party preaches every election that they will tax the Rich, and then spending their time implementing socialistic Government mandates, creating a windfall of money for Universities, Pharmaceutical companies, Insurance companies, Land Lords,  the Stock Market, etc.

    Look at the increased cost of College tuitions after the Government gave out easy Student loans. Look at the crisis of student loan debt!

    Look at the cost of healthcare after Obamacare subsidised healthcare insurance.

    Look at the increased cost of fast food combos when fast food restaurants were forced to pay $15 minimum wage. Poor people eat fast foods too!

    For some reason Democrats never figure out what will happen when you subsidise something.@MayCaesar
  • When forcing tax payers to pay for college loans, what do you tell those who paid their debt? Either way they are still going to pay only how much changes. The real question is what will happen if an epidemic changes the number of taxpayer, like with AID’s?

  • That epidemic would be Socialism!@John_C_87
    AlofRI
  • To compare this to child labor deserves no response.@Ampersand
    You mean you have no response.

    When child labour laws were introduced it didn't benefit the people who had worked as children  while young but had since grown up and now had to bear the additional burden of maintaining children.

    By your logic, we therefore should never have introduced child labour laws because it was unfair.

    PlaffelvohfenAlofRIWe_are_accountableStoneTTB
  • @Ampersand

    No it is completely different because to my understanding the government didnt take all of the money that the children earned while working as children, simply told them that they can no longer work.

    There was no stealing of wages to benefit someone else.  Also thry dont have to bear any additional burden, its their choice to have children.
    AmpersandStoneTTB
  • @John_C_87 @We_are_accountable

    What do they tell people who paid off their debt... "Thank you, please come again"...schmucks
    AlofRIStoneTTB
  • @John_C_87 @We_are_accountable

    What do they tell people who paid off their debt... "Thank you, please come again"...schmucks
  • They should thank them profusely, and do their best to show their appreciation by making this a better world. They should consider the suffering they went through to get them the education many couldn't have afforded otherwise. Hopefully, later, THEY will be able to pay for an even BETTER education for their children that their parents couldn't afford …. thanks to the freer (or less expensive) one. 
    That's how things are supposed to work, give someone a break, and they pay it back. We should remember that.
    We_are_accountableStoneTTB
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 386 Pts
    edited February 13
    @AlofRI. Except giving someone a break doesnt really count if they are voting to forcibly take it from you at gun point.

    That is no form charity.  The contributors get no satisfaction in giving and the reveivers feel more entitlement and no form of generosity/empathy from their fellow man. If theyre expecting to pay it back why dont we also write into the law how they are going to do that.

    Free education for future students is one thing, making others pay for your debt or irresponsibility you accepted is another.
    AlofRIStoneTTB
  • @MichaelElpers

    MichaelElpers said:
    @Ampersand

    No it is completely different because to my understanding the government didnt take all of the money that the children earned while working as children, simply told them that they can no longer work.
    You mean in exactly the same way the government doesn't take all the money people earnt while working at college? That isn't a difference because it didn't happen in either case.
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  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 386 Pts
    edited February 13
    @Ampersand. No there just taking more of it from people who worked hard to pay there college off already...essentially saying, dont pay your bills, down the road we will just allow you to vote to have others pay it for you.

    It would no different than me buying a house i cant afford than expecting others to pay my mortgage.
    AlofRIStoneTTB
  • @Ampersand. No there just taking more of it from people who worked hard to pay there college off already...essentially saying, dont pay your bills, down the road we will just allow you to vote to have others pay it for you.

    It would no different than me buying a house i cant afford than expecting others to pay my mortgage.

    I wasn't an English major, but going by your spelling and sentence structure, I would say you haven't been to college, and you might be a bit jealous. That's what is going on here, an attempt to reduce that problem ... affordably. If only those who have a great deal of money, or are willing to take on a great deal of debt, can afford college ... we end up with a LOT of uneducated people who can't write a sentence OR get a good job. The rich you are always defending, by paying fair taxes and using their influence to get costs down, are not doing their fair share.

    Many of them are the ones who, back in the early 2000's, sold people a house THEY couldn't afford, and others ended up "paying ttheir mortgage" one way or another.
    StoneTTB
  • @Ampersand. No there just taking more of it from people who worked hard to pay there college off already...essentially saying, dont pay your bills, down the road we will just allow you to vote to have others pay it for you.

    It would no different than me buying a house i cant afford than expecting others to pay my mortgage.
    So you're saying that the people going to college now would benefit and the people who had already gone to college wouldn't.

    Just like how with child labour laws the children involved in labour at the time would benefit and the people who had previously been child labourers wouldn't (and would have to pay extra taxes to cover increased education fees, etc as per this example?

    I don't see what you're not grasping about the analogy.

    Also yes, housing should be provided free of charge because it's a basic human necessity.
  • @AlofRI. How about im typing on a phone, and being grammatically correct doesnt bother me much as long as the point gets across.

    If your going insult my education status instead of addressing my points, i am a valedictorian with a mechanical engineering degree.

    As far as selling house to someone that cant afford it, id say its more of the buyers duty to know they cant afford it.

    You know what would reduce the problem... 1. Not telling kids you need a college degree to get a good job.

    2. Stop telling everyone they should do what makes them happy, and dont go $100,000K in debt for a degree that doesnt pay.

    3. Make college what it was intended for, specializing.  Get rid of the core corriculum stuff you learn in highschool and get rid of 1/3 of the cost.
  • @Ampersand. Your analogy still doesnt work. 

    Its not necessarily the people going to collge, its anyone that accepted debt.
    Its one thing to make college free (I still disagree) everyone at some level is contributing.  Paying for debt means that hard workers who worked it off have to pay again for someone who never did.

    What price level would these "free" houses be at.  With necessities, what you are saying is that i should be able to live, eat, and have healthcare in your home or on your dime without working.

    Thats not how the constitution is set up, you have the freedoms and rights to pursue your goals with limited hindrance.  The responsibility is on you not others to make it happen.
  • @MichaelElpers ;

    Can I be painfully honest here?
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3409 Pts
    edited February 13
    @MichaelElpers

    If people do not do what makes them happy in life though, then what is the point of it all?

    The way I see it, it is very logical to take a large student loan to get a degree in the field you are passionate about, study really hard and do active networking and everything else, so at the end you can get a great high-paying job and be happy.
    Even better, you can study really hard in high school, like I did, so you can get a fellowship and have a large fraction of tuition and living expenses, if not all of it, covered.

    There is nothing wrong with a degree from a reputable university even in a relatively obscure field, like "Chinese literature", as long as you know what you are going to do with this degree.

    What I see a lot of kids do is take a college loan without any clear idea of what they are going to do at university. I have taught some first year students who did not even know what to major in. "I do not know, I like English literature, mathematics, history and Spanish language... I will just take some classes and then decide". Seriously, this is what you went $100,000 in debt for: to "take some classes"? If you have no idea what your plans are, then you should spend some time doing self-reflection and studying at home, before enrolling in something that will take 4 or more years out of your life.

    Now, maybe I should not be the talker, as now, near the age of 30, I am switching fields from physics to mathematics, enrolling in a PhD program all over again. But all this time I had a very clear general idea of what I wanted to do in life and just lacked the courage to make the last shift.
    It is okay to take a lot of time to figure out what you want to do, but you have to be moving somewhere all this time, not just "trying things out". I did not just waste my 12 years working on my BS, MS and PhD in a field I am quitting; I learned a lot of extra skills, learned a lot from the field I am switching to, built connections with dozens research groups and researchers, published some things, got my psychology and ideology straight.

    Wasting time in life is one of the worst things one can do. It is better to choose the wrong path, make a lot of mistakes and learn something from them, than just sit trying things out aimlessly. People who at the age of 40 or 50 still work as clerks at grocery stores - it hurts me to look at them. What the heck have they been doing for the last few decades? People with degrees, but nothing else to show for their money investment, who cannot find a job - are even sadder cases. No matter what your degree in, you should have learned some marketable skills over 4 years; some basic coding, at least. If the person has not learned even that, then they must have treated college as a party place, and now they are paying the price.

    So, in conclusion, I will say that the advice to do what makes one happy is a great one, provided a) the person knows what makes them happy, or has a clear plan on how to determine it, b) the person has a clear career plan in mind, and c) the person keeps working towards that with determination, as opposed to just hanging out.
    Doing what makes you happy does not mean doing what takes no effort. Some people think that the advice to do what makes them happy means that they should just not worry about anything and party all time, which is a huge mistake to make.
  • @MayCaesar. Its nice to be able to do what makes you happy, but that field may have to be a hobby and not a stable job.  You can do what makes you happy, but in some career choices you better be at the top of your game because job choices can be very limited.
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 386 Pts
    edited February 13
    @John_C_87. Im never offended, be as honest as you want.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3409 Pts
    edited February 13
    @MichaelElpers

    My opinion is, if your job does not make you happy, then you are wasting your life. Typical career takes approximately a third of one person's life (I am not taking the sleeping time into account), and if you are not doing what you love a third of your entire life, then you have made some serious mistakes along the way.

    Your second sentence pretty much outlined your point: you have to be serious about your career plans. In any field you can make a fortune, but if your field is in relatively low demand on the market, then you have to plan getting really-really good at it, among the best of the best.

    Being happy in life requires a lot of work; it is not something that comes randomly. To be happy, one might need to change their profession a few times, to move to a different country, to quit their marriage and enrol in a different one... It is a bumpy road with a lot of accidents, and reaching the end requires something more than just wanting it. Way too many people quit it early and settle down on something they are not happy, but somewhat content with. It is a tragedy, in my eyes: willingly accepting a mediocre life is one of the worst choices one can make in life, one they will regret dearly on their deathbed.
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