Should we abolish freedom of the press?

piloteer

Fake news

Happy_Killbot

NO

Plaffelvohfen

Why stop at the press though?? 

John_C_87

Is news freedom press?

SkepticalOne

F no. If people are super gullible and/or shallow, it is not the fault of the press or the responsibility of government to fix.

MayCaesar

Of course. There should be the Ministry of Truth that censors everything, and only the materials approved by the government should be allowed to be published. And every unsanctioned publication should lead to jail time or execution.

North Korea and Eritrea have this in place, and it seems to be working great! Freedom is scary and dangerous; totalitarianism is far better. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

piloteer

@Happy_Killbot

Wow. You certainly have a way with words? Would you care to elaborate?

piloteer

@Plaffelvohfen

Would you care to elaborate?

Plaffelvohfen

@piloteer

It was sarcasm...

John_C_87

Is the news a repeated grievance?

Happy_Killbot

@piloteer How about a picture?

DDAN15

No, we shouldn't abolish the first amendment that would make the constitution a useless piece of paper which allows for corrupt government meaning allowance for human rights abuses this causes an action-reaction spiral that would eventually kill America.

piloteer

@Happy_Killbot

 I don't actually believe our freedom of the press should be taken away. I also do not believe that our rights are a given and they must be justified politically and philosophically. Can you do That? What are the benefits for you and for society and our country?  @Plaffelvohfen

piloteer

Plaffelvohfen said:

@piloteer

It was sarcasm...

Really? Well thanx for clearing that up.  

MayCaesar

piloteer said:

@Happy_Killbot

 I don't actually believe our freedom of the press should be taken away. I also do not believe that our rights are a given and they must be justified politically and philosophically. Can you do That? What are the benefits for you and for society and our country?  @Plaffelvohfen

This is the kind of things that must be experienced first-hand in order to be fully understood. Until you have gotten to live in a society with severely restricted freedom of speech and press, you cannot fully appreciate their importance.
 
I could justify them in many different ways, primarily with the same arguments as free market is justified with - market of openly competing ideas will generally produce a much better outcome than centrally-planned market of government-approved ideas - but these arguments will not have the same power as first-hand experience of living in a strongly authoritarian state will.

Happy_Killbot

@piloteer

Here is my political justification for for freedom of the press:





And here is my philosophical justification:



If that doesn't answer your question, I'm afraid a demonstration may be necessary.

piloteer

@Happy_Killbot

Ooooo Happy, you just shot me..........................right in the heart big boy.

piloteer

@Happy_Killbot

Gee, I wonder if Rickey would enjoy my last post to you?

John_C_87

@piloteer ;

How would we abolish Freedom of Press?

piloteer

@John_C_87

Any methods that could be used would only be speculation on my part. 

John_C_87

Breaking the state of cost or charge in the press form is not really that hard to do. We do it when buying books, we like to read and when charging for books students must-read for educational purposes. This does not abolish the freedom of the press itself censorship does not abolish the freedom of the press it adds a charge to some one’s cost. If we are set out to abolish the institution of freedom in copied re-productions of writings what will it take?

The First Amendment is a united state. The first amendment is not America's first united state. I abolished abortion by taking away the frame in which the prejudice of women had been placed. This is the institution that was targeted. Where do we find an institution in freedom of the press?  I believe the answer rests in a united state between liberty and freedom.

Hypr

@piloteer never abolish freedom of press because that makes freedom of speech something that could be removed in the future. We need to never ever even entertain the slight possibility of such a thing 

piloteer

@Hypr

I agree with you fully, but I don't agree that just because something is a freedom to us, it is automatically a given for us. It needs to be philosophically justified by demonstrating its benefits for society. My challenge is to ask people to do that. Leave us not forget how many people in society are now suspicious about independent news outlets. I'm willing to bet there's many people who believe independent news sources should be shuddered and our information should have government guidelines on reporting. This argument isn't to convince people who accept our freedom of speech is a given. It's a challenge for those people to philosophically overcome the suspicions of those who do not accept our freedom of press as legitimate any longer.       

John_C_87

@piloteer ;

The Freedom of the press is in a united state, a group of other principles as it is presented in the 1st Amendment, it is not a constitutional declaration as a common defense which is the focus of its address to be changed. The First Amendment does not abolish the United State Constitutional preamble as truth.