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Freedom of Speech?

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Does the Freedom of Speech include the uses of the "F" bomb, or other vulgar or similar sentiments, to be utilized by any individual, while any individual is making a counter argument, in regards to any debate?

I've looked by doing some research on the very definition of the Freedom of Speech, and I'm not seeing where the use of an "F" bomb, or the uses of other vulgar language, or similar sentiments, are specifically covered, or allowed by the very definition of the Freedom of Speech language itself?

(As a side bar example, the Second Amendment, gives individuals the right to bear arms, but NO WHERE in the Second Amendment, does it specifically state, that any citizen, is allowed to bear illegal arms, does it?)

Yet thousands of times in the United States, crimes get committed by individuals who use illegal arms to commit their crimes with?

So that tells me that there are millions of illegal gun owners, who view the Second Amendment in a different light, outside of how the rest of the United States VIEWS the Second Amendment?)

And I'm getting the impression, that there are millions of U.S. citizens, who VIEW the Freedom of Speech, through the individual lens of their own thought process, outside of what the definition of the Freedom of Speech entails?

"Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction."
Wikipedia › wiki › Freedom_of_spe...
Importance

"Limitations
The Limits of Free Speech. The First Amendment allows us to speak our mind and stand up for what we believe in. However, the limits on free speech are rooted in the principle that we're not allowed to harm others to get what we want. That's why we're not allowed to use to speech for force, fraud, or defamation."

"def·a·ma·tion
/ˌdefəˈmāSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.
    "she sued him for defamation"



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  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5327 Pts   -  
    @TKDB No, that's not how freedom of speech works, its not a "white list" of words and phrases you can say, it is a "black list" where there are specific phrases that you cant say, such as inciting violence or defamation.
    DeePlaffelvohfenTKDB
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot

    Thank you for educating the website on your interpretation of Freedom of Speech.

    "No, that's not how freedom of speech works, its not a "white list" of words and phrases you can say, it is a "black list" where there are specific phrases that you cant say, such as inciting violence or defamation."
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5327 Pts   -  
    @TKDB That's literally been the interpretation from the beginning... You graduated from High school in the US right?
    DeePlaffelvohfen
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot

    **** ... You graduated from High school in the US right

    Going by his postings I doubt that very much 
    PlaffelvohfenBlastcat
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4676 Pts   -  
    As always, I cannot understand your post, TKDB, but to your question about the F-word, there is no law in the US suggesting that its usage can be in any way restricted by the government. The First Amendment specifically states that speech in itself is not to be infringed, so, unless the particular instance of the F-word use happens to coincide with some other violation, you can use it all you want.
    PlaffelvohfenBlastcat
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @Happy_Killbot

    If you have an issue with the topic, then take it up with Aarong?


    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotDee
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @Dee

    @MayCaesar

    If either of the YOU TWO have an issue with the topic, then take it up with Aarong? 
    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotDee
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5327 Pts   -  
    @TKDB Is it part of your view of freedom of speech to threaten to flag people?
    DeePlaffelvohfen
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2925 Pts   -  
    @TKDB
    However, the limits on free speech are rooted in the principle that we're not allowed to harm others to get what we want. That's why we're not allowed to use to speech for force, fraud, or defamation."

    And how can anyone infer : harm, force, fraud or defamation from the uttering of the F-word??  
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    More reference material on the Freedom of Speech:

    "Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non- ...
    Wikipedia › wiki › Freedom_of_spe...

    "PEOPLE ALSO ASK

    "What violates free speech?
    Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial ...
    Wikipedia › wiki › United_States_fr...
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    I don’t understand your “ topic” it makes no sense which is why I never addressed it ......
    Blastcat
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Happy_Killbot

    Have I threatened you?

    "@TKDB Is it part of your view of freedom of speech to threaten to flag people?"

    Some have cursed at others and utilized provocative language, show me, from within the framework of the Freedom of Speech, where provocative or curse words are specifically mentioned in the Freedom of Speech?

    I've included two reference sources in regards to the Freedom of Speech, that can be utilized, by you or whoever else, to address your individual questions with.
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    If you have an issue with the topic, then take it up with Aarong?

    "@TKDB
    I don’t understand your “ topic” it makes no sense which is why I never addressed it."
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    "And how can anyone infer : harm, force, fraud or defamation from the uttering of the F-word??"

    I've included two reference sources in regards to the Freedom of Speech, that can be utilized, by you or whoever else, to address your individual questions with.

    Please, help yourself to those reference sources? 
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2925 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    There's nothing in there relating to my question... It's your argument and you cannot even defend it??? What are you doing on here then?
    Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 978 Pts   -  
    @TKDB. Im not sure where you think you provided the f word produces/ incites harm against someone.

    And again freedom of speech allows everything except the few things you found, libel, defamation, incitement to violence, ect.  Curse words werent an exception and therefore is covered.

    Also why do you care/ why would you want to limit it?
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    More reference material on the Freedom of Speech:

    "Does freedom of speech mean you can say anything?"

    "Despite what many seem to believe, the "freedom of speech" guarantee in the Constitution doesn't give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want."

    "The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech 
    (and "expression" as it has come to include).Oct 19, 2011"
    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • TKDB!

    How’s the flock are ya! (Freedom of speech) Flock has two meanings add they come without cost or charge. I can prove this you can prove this. United State we can prove this.

    The freedom of speech is held in a united state with other things in the 1st amendment. The Amendments of the Constitution are in a united state with the Articles of American Constitution. The Articles of American Constitution are in a United State with the American Declaration of Independence.

    This means We the people, for the people's law of these United States of America, are not in a United State with any other Nations unless those nations follow a couple of simple guidelines. 1. United State. 2. Constitutional union of the united state. Realistically legal states of constitutional America’s are seldom placed under a constitutional state of the union even by the legislated governing states. 

    American governing states being states as learned in school, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island New Jersey. Philadelphia, North and South Carolina, California, Washington, North Dakota, South Dakota Oklahoma, Texas. Etc. My apologies to those states of governing law jurisdictions not listed by name. The 1st amendment is to give a common defense by providing information to the Courts in categories that had gone before them as part of the pre-able of articles of the American constitution.

    Freedom of speech is out of its united state as presented alone. Profanity is a form of grievance, not free speech in the 1st Amendment the United States is used to jumpstart a legal argument before the jurisdiction of the laws for the people, of the people.

  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    What is wrong with you referring to the 3 separate sources of reference material in regards to your Freedom of Speech questions?

    Your first question:

    "And how can anyone infer : harm, force, fraud or defamation from the uttering of the F-word??"

    "There's nothing in there relating to my question... It's your argument and you cannot even defend it???
    What are you doing on here then?"

    @Plaffelvohfen

    I'm here learning about the Freedom of Speech through the same reference sources, just as you can reference them? 


    Plaffelvohfen
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    I don’t understand your “ topic” it makes no sense which is why I never addressed it."
    Blastcat
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @MichaelElpers

    Please refer to the Freedom of Speech reference sources in regards to your question?

    "Im not sure where you think you provided the f word produces/ incites harm against someone.

    And again freedom of speech allows everything except the few things you found, libel, defamation, incitement to violence, ect.  Curse words weren't an exception and therefore is covered.

    Also why do you care/ why would you want to limit it? "

  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    "@TKDB

    I don’t understand your “ topic” it makes no sense which is why I never addressed it."

    @Dee

    Below is the information you're looking for:

    "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction."
    Wikipedia › wiki › Freedom_of_spe...
    Importance

    "Limitations
    The Limits of Free Speech. The First Amendment allows us to speak our mind and stand up for what we believe in. However, the limits on free speech are rooted in the principle that we're not allowed to harm others to get what we want. That's why we're not allowed to use to speech for force, fraud, or defamation."

    "def·a·ma·tion
    /ˌdefəˈmāSH(ə)n/
    noun
    1. the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.
      "she sued him for defamation" 



      "Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non- ...
      Wikipedia › wiki › Freedom_of_spe...

      "PEOPLE ALSO ASK

      "What violates free speech?
      Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial ...
      Wikipedia › wiki › United_States_fr...

    "Does freedom of speech mean you can say anything?"

    "Despite what many seem to believe, the "freedom of speech" guarantee in the Constitution doesn't give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want."

    "The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech 
    (and "expression" as it has come to include).Oct 19, 2011"
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2925 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    All I'm asking is how can anyone infer : harm, force, fraud or defamation from the uttering of the F-word??

    Since it's not mentioned anywhere in the documentation you linked, you have to make the argument, or concede that you have none...
    Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ***** Below is the information you're looking for

    It’s not , I never asked for “information “ , your “debate “ is just another example of you trolling 
    PlaffelvohfenBlastcat
  • @TKDB ;

    "Does freedom of speech mean you can say anything?"

    To give you common defense to the general welfare of we people, it is a grievance that allows us to say anything. Not freedom of speech. The content of a 1st change is made as a united state on behalf of our constitutional welfare. As human right freedom of speech does not have a united state of the right to peaceful assembly to instruct a condition and can be more easily proven wrong in the better independent pursuit of liberty by the people.
  • VaulkVaulk 790 Pts   -  
    Image result for citing wikipedia meme
    "If there's no such thing as a question then what kind of questions do people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".


  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @Vaulk

    In regards to your MEME:

    Do you have an issue with Wikipedia?

    What version of the "Freedom of Speech" do you maybe personally prefer, so that I can reference it as well? 


  • VaulkVaulk 790 Pts   -  
    Plaffelvohfen
    "If there's no such thing as a question then what kind of questions do people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".


  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @Dee

    "I don’t understand your “ topic” it makes no sense which is why I never addressed it."

    (Below is the information you're looking for:)

    "It’s not , I never asked for “information “ , your “debate “ is just another example of you trolling."

    @Dee the entire premise of this forum is exclusive to the Freedom of Speech.

    Sharing with you again that same information:


    "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction."
    Wikipedia › wiki › Freedom_of_spe...
    Importance

    "Limitations
    The Limits of Free Speech. The First Amendment allows us to speak our mind and stand up for what we believe in. However, the limits on free speech are rooted in the principle that we're not allowed to harm others to get what we want. That's why we're not allowed to use to speech for force, fraud, or defamation."

    "def·a·ma·tion
    /ˌdefəˈmāSH(ə)n/
    noun
    1. the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.
      "she sued him for defamation" 



      "Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non- ...
      Wikipedia › wiki › Freedom_of_spe...

      "PEOPLE ALSO ASK

      "What violates free speech?
      Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial ...
      Wikipedia › wiki › United_States_fr...

    "Does freedom of speech mean you can say anything?"

    "Despite what many seem to believe, the "freedom of speech" guarantee in the Constitution doesn't give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want."

    "The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech 
    (and "expression" as it has come to include).Oct 19, 2011"


  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    When it comes to the Freedom of Speech, is any forum participant, allowed to use any reference to the "F" word?

    Or other vulgar or similar types of sentiments, to be utilized by any individual, while any individual is making a counter argument, in regards to any debate?

  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @Vaulk

    First paragraph:

    "The Bad and the Beautiful is a 1952 American melodrama that tells the story of a film producer who alienates all around him."

    The film was directed by Vincente Minnelli and written by George Bradshaw and Charles Schnee. It stars Lana TurnerKirk DouglasWalter Pidgeon PowellBarry SullivanGloria Grahame and Gilbert RolandThe Bad and the Beautiful resulted in five Academy Awards out of six nominations in 1952, a record for the most awards for a movie that was not nominated for Best Picture nor for Best Director."


    @Vaulk

    So what's your point?

    "Read the first paragraph."
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar

    Is it OK to utilize the "F" word, or any variation of it, on debate island? 

    Or in other word's:

    When it comes to the Freedom of Speech, is any forum participant, allowed to use any reference to the "F" word?

    Or other vulgar or similar types of sentiments, to be utilized by any individual, while any individual is making a counter argument, in regards to any debate?

    "As always, I cannot understand your post, TKDB, but to your question about the F-word, there is no law in the US suggesting that its usage can be in any way restricted by the government. The First Amendment specifically states that speech in itself is not to be infringed, so, unless the particular instance of the F-word use happens to coincide with some other violation, you can use it all you want."
     
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    Well if you don’t know what your own constitution means why not do a bit of research as you’re never off google , did that thought ever cross your mind or are you just trolling?
    Blastcat
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    A fourth reference source:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States

    "In the United States, freedom of speech and expression is strongly protected from government restrictions by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, many state constitutions, and state and federal laws. The Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment and has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech. The First Amendment's constitutional right of free speech, which is applicable to state and local governments under the incorporation doctrine,[1] only prevents government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses unless they are acting on behalf of the government.[2] However, laws may restrict the ability of private businesses and individuals from restricting the speech of others, such as employment laws that restrict employers' ability to prevent employees from disclosing their salary with coworkers or attempting to organize a labor union.[3]

    The First Amendment's freedom of speech right not only proscribes most government restrictions on the content of speech and ability to speak, but also protects the right to receive information,[4] prohibits most government restrictions or burdens that discriminate between speakers,[5] restricts the tort liability of individuals for certain speech,[6] and prevents the government from requiring individuals and corporations to speak or finance certain types of speech with which they don't agree.[7][8][9]

    Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment include obscenity (as determined by the Miller test), fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct,[10] speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising.[11][12] Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as rights for authors over their works (copyright), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons, restrictions on the use of untruths to harm others (slander and libel), and communications while a person is in prison. When a speech restriction is challenged in court, it is presumed invalid and the government bears the burden of convincing the court that the restriction is constitutional.[1.  "


  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    I get the point you don’t know what your own constitution permits so what are you stalking me?
    Blastcat
  • Dee said:
    @TKDB

    I get the point you don’t know what your own constitution permits so what are you stalking me?

    American  Constitution creates unions of united state.


  • The F-bomb is a grievance, not a statement that is free when made.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1531 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    Who's the person you're referring to that used the f-word, and what is the f-word in question? I would like to know so I do not associate myself with that person or any of the debates they're involved in. If there's somebody causing trouble here, I think Aarong should be alerted and the problem dealt with with all speed.  
    ZeusAres42
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