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Jesus tells us to voluntarily help the poor, not Government forcing us to do so.

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To Democrats who say Jesus would be a Liberal Socialist because of his concern for the poor, you have it completely wrong. Jesus wants us all to voluntarily
help those who can't help themselves. He does not say that Government should take our money and redistribute it to the poor!

Huge difference! The Republican party supports a safety net, but does not believe we shoud support able bodied people from cradle to grave. Jesus would never support aborting innocent babies he knows in the womb. He would never side with the Democrat Party because of this fact.

In Proverbs, there are verses that say a lazy man will go hungry! Does that sound like a bleeding heart no fault mindset?
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  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable

    Thankfully, religious edicts (or suggestions) have no relevance to government policies...

    Also, Jesus was making a moral argument, but people are prejudiced in their morality (yup, looking at you)... And the opinion of a dead hippie is irrelevant...  
    We_are_accountableDee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable Back up just a second here, you are saying that the government should not make laws that support the poor, but that the government should make laws that ban abortion?

    Isn't that a bit of a double standard?
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountableDeeSkepticalOne
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Plaffelvohfen

    Yeh, you would rather follow the minority opinion of activist LGBT groups forcing our public schools to bow to their beliefs. I have the Science of Biology on my side, what do you have? The say so of people with disorders?
    Plaffelvohfen
  • @Happy_Killbot

    How many times are you Pro abortion people going to try and equate the killing of the innocent, with other political issues? I mean COME ON!!!!!

    If you've got nothing better than that to excuse Socialism and big Government control, then please don't waste my time.

    There is one thing our federal Government should always do, and that is protecting innocent life from those who would take it.
    PlaffelvohfenHappy_Killbot
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    Jesus was pro Child, pro Family, pro Community, and pro Humanity.

    His word's aren't irrelevant, they're Global.
    We_are_accountablePlaffelvohfenDee
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable

    Your appeal to innocence is laughable... Your herd of delusional sheep is disappearing from our modern societies at a growing rate, and will end up in the recycle bin of History, so enjoy your last days...  
    We_are_accountable
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @We_are_accountable Doesn't the bible say to turn the other check? Forgive everyone 70 times 7 times? Why don't you do that for abortion? until a woman has had 490 abortions, I don't think you can hold anything against them. 

    No, the real argument here is that the bible doesn't take a stance on abortion at all. To be pro-life is not a Christian stance, it is a conservative stance.

    For this reason, abortion is just another political issue, and technology is the only solution. If you are really so anti-abortion, instead of protesting outside of clinics, you should be protesting outside drug companies to start making male-equivalent birth control, because I guarantee that you will never get your way until sex and childbirth are permanently decoupled.
    We_are_accountable
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Happy_Killbot

    You know, I think I would die if people on the Left ever debated the actual facts of the issue at hand rather than throwing in meaningless rhehtoric that has no bearing on the debate.

    First of all, YES, the Bible tells us to forgive people who have offended us, but it NEVER tells us to condone their sins as being ok! Can you EVER grasp the issue at hand and stop wasting our time with irrelevant verses from the Bible?
    Jesus said he without sin cast the first stone! The part that the Left always leaves out is when Jesus tells her to go and SIN NO MORE! He does not condone the sin!!!!!!!!

    Second, I do not judge women who have had abortions, that's God's job. I try to stop those, such as yourself, who keep it legal for her to kill her baby, by electing those who vow to keep it legal for any reason! Can you grasp the difference?

    I agree that abortion is a Conservative stance, but also an issue of humanity and morality. It's immoral to take innocent life and Gods makes this very clear in the Bible. He says he knows us in the womb, and hates the shedding of innocent blood.

    Abortion is taking an innocent life and is far more than some political issue!

    Why should we be protesting outside of drug companies, when it is the killing itself that should be against the law. Funny how we don't have to protest to keep it illegal for someone to kill you. Your life is no better than that little viable baby waiting to travel down that birth canal. All you have to do to protect it is to stop voting for these extreme Democrats. The law would change in a year if the electorate said ENOUGH!

    Plaffelvohfen
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable

    I will have so much fun hearing you cry and rant when Sanders is elected potus and that dems regain control of the senate...  :D
    We_are_accountable
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • @Plaffelvohfen

    Have you noticed how barbaric people, supporting the killing of viable babies, are growing in numbers as Christians decrease? You won't like what you find when the numbers of Christian can no longer influence the humanity of the world.

    Our children are alredy seeing the effects as the numbers of broken homes are exploding.

    The Bible said this would happen, and how Christians will be the minority in the world. Be very careful what you wish for, because it is going to get very bad.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable

    Your Bible is irrelevant, your imaginary friend too... The world will be a better place when finally religion is gone...
    We_are_accountable
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 2670 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @Plaffelvohfen

    Have you noticed how barbaric people, supporting the killing of viable babies, are growing in numbers as Christians decrease? You won't like what you find when the numbers of Christian can no longer influence the humanity of the world.

    Our children are alredy seeing the effects as the numbers of broken homes are exploding.

    The Bible said this would happen, and how Christians will be the minority in the world. Be very careful what you wish for, because it is going to get very bad.

    The stuff you're talking about sounds very Satanic. And I mean I can understand considering Satan was such a bad guy that he was responsible for Mass Genocide, Infanticide, Death for adultery, Endorsing slavery, and so much more. Oh wait a minute; that was all God wasn't it?
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountable



  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5969 Pts   -  
    Jesus supported anarchism, where each individual is responsible before god and only god. This means that the state cannot exist, and people cannot punish each other for anything.

    Jesus would neither be on the Democrats' nor on the Republicans' side; he would see you all as impostors who think themselves more worthy than god to cast judgement on others.
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountableBlastcat
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable I didn't provide any verses from the bible here, but if you want me to, I can.

    The point is that if you say that the government should not help poor people, and then say the government should stop abortions, you are drawing a double standard by relying on the government in one way and not in another. In one stance, you say that individuals should help individuals, and then turn around and say that the government should.

    Taking lives is a huge part of politics, never heard of war have you? Warfare is almost always a political issue.

    You should go to the drug companies because that will actually solve the problem. Think about it: When people have unprotected sex, they are more likely to cause a pregnancy than if they use protection. If condoms and female birth control did not exist, more women would get pregnant. Therefore, the introduction of new and more effective birth controls should limit the number of unwanted pregnancies, therefore reducing the number of abortions. There is a obvious hole in the armor here, and that is male equivalent birth control. If such a contraceptive was developed, that would turn men temporarily sterile, then the number of unwanted pregnancies might go down 90 - 99%, effectively solving the problem through irrelevancy.  If people are more likely to die of the common cold than to get pregnant, I recon that people will stop worrying about abortion.

    You can not abort a baby that is never conceived. Engineering can make that possible.

    Technology is the answer to abortion. Put your faith in reality and reality will reward you.

    Technology also happens to be a rather obvious solution to the poverty debacle, turns out if you have robots doing all the work you basically have a slave economy where everything can be produced for cheap or near free. Once this is possible, why should anyone work unless they want to? This transition is already underway, unless you missed the writing is on the wall. The development of these technologies has four possible outcomes:

    Image result for four futures

    Now if you disregard the labels, and judge things solely on the meanings, which of these futures would you prefer?

    The thing is, unless we decide to do something about poverty, we automatically end up on the top portion of the graph under a hierarchy. Maybe you think that Rentism doesn't sound that bad, but can it really compare to communism? At any rate, exerminism is definitely the worst outcome available. People don't vote republican because they care more about equality than hierarchy. They would rather live in a socialist society where although the planet is FUBAR the resource shortages are managed and everyone still gets to live a semi-decent life. But let's be honest here, managing inequality is always going to be more important because abundance is not guaranteed. That is the true reason why supporting policies that help the poor, and especially social safety net policies are important, even if all of us have to pay for it.

    If for example, someone from the future told you that the right side of the graph was impossible for some reason, would you rather live in an equal society or an unequal one?
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountable
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @Plaffelvohfen

    This debate site will be much more pleasurable for me when I ignore your anti Christian bigotry. Bye
    Plaffelvohfen
  • @We_are_accountable Please tell me what the fallacy is? Thanks. 



  • @ZeusAres42

    Try reading the New Testament Christian Bible, and then find the verses that tells us we can do those things. Oh, I keep forgetting... YOU CAN'T FIND THOSE VERSES, yet here you are like a good little anti Christian Bigot spewing deception as always. What you just described was Old Testament Jewish laws, and it is Islam that STILL supports doing all the things you just described.

    Funny how you hypocrites never say word one about Muslims.

    IGNORE 
  • @Happy_Killbot

    So rather than making the same laws as those that protect your life, you want to keep it legal to kill, but reduce the numbers?

    LOL, why don't we do that with your life? How would you like laws that would make it legal to kill you, but reduce the numbers of guns to reduce the numbers of death?

    WAIT A MINUTE! The Left is doing exactly what you want, but they forgot to make it legal to kill you in the mean time. Why is that? Why doesn't society throw away laws protecting all of our lives, and simply improve technology to reduce the numbers?

    Maybe someday you will actually grasp what we are talking about. LEGALIZED KILLING OF INNOCENT LIVES! The numbers of people killed has no bearing on the inhumanity of it all.
    Happy_KillbotPlaffelvohfen
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5557 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable I'm not even going to respond to something this blatantly bigoted and just wrong.

    I'm straight up giving you the answer, the only viable solution, the secret of fire so to speak, and you are going to deny it because you don't understand?

    I'm starting to think you enjoy complaining about abortion more than you actually want a solution. I suppose this is why technocracy failed, which frankly is what I wish they called "communism" in the graph because it is a better representation of what it is supposed to be.
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountable
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 2670 Pts   -   edited February 2020
    @ZeusAres42

    Try reading the New Testament Christian Bible, and then find the verses that tells us we can do those things. Oh, I keep forgetting... YOU CAN'T FIND THOSE VERSES, yet here you are like a good little anti Christian Bigot spewing deception as always. What you just described was Old Testament Jewish laws, and it is Islam that STILL supports doing all the things you just described.

    Funny how you hypocrites never say word one about Muslims.

    IGNORE 

    It doesn't matter, it was still the same God whether it is was the one in the Old Testament or the New Testament, either way you spin it. Or am I still mistaken? @We_are_accountable
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountable



  • @We_are_accountable I love the way you just give a fallacy to anyone that says something you don't like.
    We_are_accountableMayCaesarPlaffelvohfen



  • @ZeusAres42

    When you stop being fake, I will stop hitting fallacy.
  • @ZeusAres42

    When you stop being fake, I will stop hitting fallacy.
    You can hit the fallacy button till the cows come home. It still won't change the fact you currently appear to have no idea how fallacies work and you demonstrate that with your overuse of hitting that button. I just find amusing. 
    Plaffelvohfen



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