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Would reversing abortion laws bankrupt the U.S.?
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Would reversing abortion laws bankrupt the U.S.?

 

The U.S. social infrastructures are already stressed. Not only roads but all systems.

 

Even as abortions are on the decline, the added strain will hurt on an escalating scale.

 

If the state takes the responsibility for the best end for those children, it will bankrupt some of them in the long run.

 

Which states remains unclear, the poorest first. Some that now use cages will have to be updated to a civilized standard for all those millions of new Americans.

 

Nice that Americans live by the Golden Rule!

 

It is a pure socialistic form of governance. Not surprising for a fascist power. I am surprised though that it is coming from the right.

 

Will Trump bankrupt the U.S. with a socialistic and massive expenditure in the mostly poor sectors?

Would the moneyed let him?

 

Regards

DL


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  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3208 Pts
    Of course not; that would be a strange assumption to make. Abortions constitute such a negligible fraction of the average citizen's life that they may be safely discarded in such analyses.

    It will take something extraordinary to bankrupt the US economy, with a thriving free market full of world-leading companies. Even if the US government flops, the economy will keep going. Something major and worldwide, such as a sudden gamma-ray burst frying electronics all over the world, would be needed at this point to bring the US economy down.

    People who think that one guy in the White House has the power to bankrupt a $100+ trillion market economy are not living in the same reality as me.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • AlofRIAlofRI 552 Pts
    I never heard anything so ridiculous in my long life. If anything bankrupts the U.S. it will be the tax cut for the rich, the trade destruction, and the budgets put forth by the Trumpists, with NO other objective other than to get enough votes to keep him out of prison! ((And make a few million in the end.) OOPS! I forgot the golf games ………………. ;-)
  • MayCaesar said:
    Of course not; that would be a strange assumption to make. Abortions constitute such a negligible fraction of the average citizen's life that they may be safely discarded in such analyses.

    True, but that tiny sum is the tip of the iceberg. Do you not have children?

    I don't know about where you live, but here, the dole pays better than working when you count everything, for way too many people. Change the law and you increase that number for many more transfers of wealth.

    But hey, if you think you can afford the health and incarceration costs as well as supporting all the single parent family's that are (manned) by women: It's your money.

    Free education, medical, logging and on and on. All while present systems are already failing our young.

    Good luck with that.

    Regards
    DL
     
  • AlofRI said:
    I never heard anything so ridiculous in my long life. If anything bankrupts the U.S. it will be the tax cut for the rich, the trade destruction, and the budgets put forth by the Trumpists, with NO other objective other than to get enough votes to keep him out of prison! ((And make a few million in the end.) OOPS! I forgot the golf games ………………. ;-)
    You are talking billions.

    Try billions when you are talking millions of children and their needs throughout life.

    Regards
    DL

  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3208 Pts
    @GnosticChristian

    I certainly do not need free education and healthcare; I can provide for my potential kids well enough on my own. 

    I do not need any wealth transfers; I can make my own money on the free market. Reserve stealing to those who cannot.
    GnosticChristian
  • Let's try to look at some numbers...

    On average in the last decade, 650k reported abortions per year, reported, the number may actually be higher...  If we reverse Roe v. Wade and then make abortion a felony like murder, many consequences ensue...

    At an average $31k per year to taxpayers to jail someone, we're looking at a potential annual cost of about 20 Billions the first year, to which we annually add another 20 Billion. Over a decade that's about 1 Trillion dollars and we're also at the same time, removing 650k people per year from the country's active workforce (I don't think retirees are likely to commit abortion), over 10 years that is 6.5 million people who're not working, producing wealth, paying taxes, buying things, etc... Don't know how to calculate the impact of this to the economy but it would surely have one... 

    Now, sure the number of reported abortions should theoretically drop dramatically because of its new felony status right? But since an abortion can be easily performed clandestinely, without impact to (or notice from) society, there's no reason to believe that the number of actual abortions would drop that much, most would just not be reported at all... 66% of all abortion occur before the 8th week, 88% before the 12th, at that stage it's not even physically apparent that one is pregnant, that begins usually at 12-16 weeks when not actively trying to hide it... We would definitely see a resurgence in the use of folk remedies. After all, abortion inducing plants, although less safe than medical abortion, have been used through the ages and to think that modern women won't go back to these unsafe methods is to be incredibly naive, to stay politically correct...

    If abortion becomes a felony, the production, sale or use of any abortifacient plant (for any reason) would become suspicious. Every miscarriage should (under the premise) be reported and be considered a potential abortion and the woman who had a miscarriage should (again under the premise) be thoroughly investigated as a potential murderer. That adds a high administrative cost in investigation by the authorities for each case of potential abortion...

    Don't know if it would bankrupt the country but it would certainly be costly imo...
    GnosticChristian
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • John_C_87John_C_87 289 Pts
    Would reversing abortion laws bankrupt the U.S.?

    No abortion laws are not being reversed abortion is being abolished, follow-through on the Supreme Court ruling made in 1973. Abortion law is supporting a prejudice between all women, correcting that issue, in fact, may improve the economy by limiting the risk the prejudice creates in the economy in many ways. Roe Vs Wade is not revered it is being applied and enforced by the abolishment of this particular use of abortion. The discrimination between men and women is not the same prejudice between all women in relationship to birth.

    The focus is on the privacy of a woman. There is no higher cost than the loss of a person's civil liberty of privacy in the treatment of medical conditions. Not all female-specific amputations as an abortion take place by acts of lethal force applied to prevent birth are murders and not all women need to lie to say they are. 

    We are defining the stance of these United States.
    GnosticChristian
  • MayCaesar said:
    @GnosticChristian

    I certainly do not need free education and healthcare; I can provide for my potential kids well enough on my own. 

    I do not need any wealth transfers; I can make my own money on the free market. Reserve stealing to those who cannot.
    I see a lot of "I"s in your position, but not much thought to the millions of lives and trillions of dollars the U.S. will have to pay up.

    You may be well set, and congratulations on your successes.

    Too bad it has produces your morality though.

    Our tribal natures start with family, as yours does. Maturity tells us that the real security you crave for your family is dependent on friends and the rest of the tribe and it behoves you to be generous to a fault, to other than "I".
     
    Regards
    DL
  • Let's try to look at some numbers...



    Don't know if it would bankrupt the country but it would certainly be costly imo...
    That heavy cost, and the babies are not even born yet.

    It will seem like a light burden when the real costs kick in.

    Forget roads and bridges for the next decade after a change of laws.

    I am happy to be a Canadian, but economically, you will hurt the whole world.

    That isn't supposed to be the American way.

    Regards
    DL

  • John_C_87 said:

    The focus is on the privacy of a woman. 

    We are defining the stance of these United States.
    So far, that looks like white men deciding, --- what primarily non-white mothers to be, --- will be forced to do with their bodies.

    Sounds a lot like slavery. 

    Let us hope there is at least one old style American left to make the right kind of noise. 

    Regards
    DL
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3208 Pts
    GnosticChristian said:

    I see a lot of "I"s in your position, but not much thought to the millions of lives and trillions of dollars the U.S. will have to pay up.

    You may be well set, and congratulations on your successes.

    Too bad it has produces your morality though.

    Our tribal natures start with family, as yours does. Maturity tells us that the real security you crave for your family is dependent on friends and the rest of the tribe and it behoves you to be generous to a fault, to other than "I".
     
    Regards
    DL
    I am the same brand of homo-sapiens as everyone else; it is not that I randomly got great genes or won a lottery. I worked on my success, as should everyone else.

    I am all for helping people voluntarily (and I do so daily), but I do not take robbery under the guise of helping others kindly.

    Not sure how it will make you feel, but I can openly state that I could not care less about "tribes" and other collectivist entities. Nor do I care about what many people consider to be "mature". Conformism is the poison of humanity and should be regarded with utmost contempt. Be your own judge and do what you think is right, regardless of what others have to say about it. Ignore "tribes", "nations" and other ridiculous things and focus on bettering yourself and your life; everything else is derivative from it.
    GnosticChristianPlaffelvohfen
  • John_C_87John_C_87 289 Pts
    John_C_87 said:

    The focus is on the privacy of a woman. 

    We are defining the stance of these United States.
    So far, that looks like white men deciding, --- what primarily non-white mothers to be, --- will be forced to do with their bodies.

    Sounds a lot like slavery. 

    Let us hope there is at least one old style American left to make the right kind of noise. 

    Regards
    DL

    It sounds nothing like slavery, has nothing to do with men, and ensures the prejudice between women that occurs due to birth stops.

    The hint is to focus on privacy settings for women, also in the statement that female-specific amputation asserts privacy never given with abortion, as it is self-incrimination. The self-incrimination of abortion is slavery it is not something that sounds like slavery pregnancy abortion hides from any clear understanding by argument.


    GnosticChristian
  • @MayCaesar ;

    It may be better to have men know that if they take away a females right to her body, then it opens the door to having men lose their right to their body as well.

    Reciprocity is fair play.

    Those who would deny many women and gays their full citizenship might just loose their own.

    We the people; is not divided by gender.

    Regards
    DL
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3208 Pts
    @GnosticChristian

    I do not disagree with any of this. I do not see it potentially bankrupting the US, however. There is no country on Earth, no matter how bad economical state it is in, which can be bankrupted by something like this.
  • So your argument is if you start to see too much poverty you should kill people in order to allow the rest to have a more comfortable lifestyle.

    It is also remained to be seen that overpopulation is any detriment to the economy or causes scarcity.
    GnosticChristian
  • Perhaps not bankruptcy, but hard enough that those babies will definitely not get the best end that is promised by those who would force women to bear the economic burdens on her own, --- and on the backs of the babies, when grown enough to slave themselves to the state that reared and ruined them.

    Nice for the few success stories though.

    Regards
    DL
  • So your argument is if you start to see too much poverty you should kill people in order to allow the rest to have a more comfortable lifestyle.

    It is also remained to be seen that overpopulation is any detriment to the economy or causes scarcity.

    Good grief, no.

    To your last. I agree. It depends on socio economic demographic pyramid patterns.

    Regards
    DL


  • @GnosticChristian

    "hard enough that those babies will definitely not get the best end that is promised by those who would force women to bear the economic burdens on her own".
    Is your argument here not that it is more justified to kill the baby if it is born poor or may have greater challenges?

    In your post you ask will reversing abortion bankrupt the u.s.  That seems to advocate that we should keep if abortion would bankrupt us, meaning it is alright to kill the fetus/baby to prevent hardship.
  • @GnosticChristian

    "hard enough that those babies will definitely not get the best end that is promised by those who would force women to bear the economic burdens on her own".
    Is your argument here not that it is more justified to kill the baby if it is born poor or may have greater challenges?

    In your post you ask will reversing abortion bankrupt the u.s.  That seems to advocate that we should keep if abortion would bankrupt us, meaning it is alright to kill the fetus/baby to prevent hardship.
    That is the prevailing attitude.

    Be it the hardship the pregnant female sees for herself and her potential child, or the hardship that those who would force upon the mother and child while not giving them the wherewithal to by pass those hardships.

    If those who would force hardship upon her and her child would step up, there would be a ;lot less abortions.

    Get the pro-lifers to put their money where their mouths are and there would not be an abortion problem in the U.S.

    Pro lifers are all in as long as other bear the costs. They are unethical.

    Regards
    DL

  • Nations don't go bankrupt they fail.
    GnosticChristian
  • @GnosticChristian. I fail to see how pro life people force women to get pregnant and force hardship upon them.  You are still advocating that the reason a fetus should be killed is that they be born into a poor family...this by the way is what the original founder of planned parenthood thought would happen as well.  Being a racist she thought abortion would help decrease the black population.

    Just because someone gets pregnant of their own volition and pro life people believe they cant kill it, doesnt mean we're responsible them.  Are we responsible for the well being of drug users?

    As long as others bear the costs, "others" meaning the people responsible for creating the human life, that is totally fair.  What i can tell you us that we do often put our money where out mouths are, Churches in area take collections for this all the time.  

    Somehow it just doesnt seem right that if you irresponsibly have a child that means you get an automatic pass to everyone else ensuring your well being.
    GnosticChristianPlaffelvohfen
  • John_C_87 said:
    Nations don't go bankrupt they fail.
    Same thing. They fail due to lack of wealth.

    Regards
    DL
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    @GnosticChristian. I fail to see how pro life people force women to get pregnant and force hardship upon them.  You are still advocating that the reason a fetus should be killed is that they be born into a poor family...this by the way is what the original founder of planned parenthood thought would happen as well.  Being a racist she thought abortion would help decrease the black population.

    Just because someone gets pregnant of their own volition and pro life people believe they cant kill it, doesnt mean we're responsible them.  Are we responsible for the well being of drug users?

    As long as others bear the costs, "others" meaning the people responsible for creating the human life, that is totally fair.  What i can tell you us that we do often put our money where out mouths are, Churches in area take collections for this all the time.  

    Somehow it just doesnt seem right that if you irresponsibly have a child that means you get an automatic pass to everyone else ensuring your well being.

    Pro-life, is people caring about life, while not wanting to spend a dime on helping that life along.

    Pro-life causes hardships. If women were not trying to escape hardship for them or their fetus, they would likely have the child.

    You want back yard abortions to kill women along with their potential child. You may not want control of your own body in private matters, but many women and men do.

    Yes we are responsible for exacerbating the harm that drug use creates. Our drug war against our children and users, which is none of the general publics business, causes a lot of problems for basically innocent victims.

    Regards
    DL

  • @GnosticChristian. You claim that we dont spend a dime on continue life, but that is just plain wrong. We do all the time, just dont it should be government mandated.  Also seems like that answers my question...you think having a child means the adult should automatically get their well being ensured by the rest if society.  The child, i agree should because it is innocent.

    If I am trying to escape hardships i cant kill someone to eliminate it.  That argument is so dumb.

    Just because i want abortion to be illegal doesnt mean i want backyard abortions.  That is their choice to go through that risky of a procedure in order to do an immoral deed.

    I didnt say anything about how we exacerbate drug use.  What i said is we dont have a responsibility to take care of drug users.

    Actually i can control my body in private matters that is why im not worried about having a child when im not ready.  
  • @GnosticChristian. You claim that we dont spend a dime on continue life, but that is just plain wrong. We do all the time, just dont it should be government mandated.  Also seems like that answers my question...you think having a child means the adult should automatically get their well being ensured by the rest if society.  The child, i agree should because it is innocent.

    If I am trying to escape hardships i cant kill someone to eliminate it.  That argument is so dumb.

    Just because i want abortion to be illegal doesnt mean i want backyard abortions.  That is their choice to go through that risky of a procedure in order to do an immoral deed.

    I didnt say anything about how we exacerbate drug use.  What i said is we dont have a responsibility to take care of drug users.

    Actually i can control my body in private matters that is why im not worried about having a child when im not ready.  
    If governments do not control the dole to unwed mothers and their children, who should?

    Religions who already want to increase the hardship by saving a dime?
    You know the lousy stats that unwanted and poor children produce.

    "The child, i agree should because it is innocent."

    Let the mother go hungry while the child eats. Pffft.
    Think better please.

    "If I am trying to escape hardships i cant kill someone to eliminate it.  That argument is so dumb."

    Correct. Who made it? A fetus is not someone to the one looking to abort.

    "Just because i want abortion to be illegal doesnt mean i want backyard abortions."

    You know it is innevitable yet wish to ignore it and the women who would die from botched jobs.

    It is not the woman's choice. It is you choice by denying her medical services. Your denial is pointless.

    "I didnt say anything about how we exacerbate drug use.  What i said is we dont have a responsibility to take care of drug users."

    Good. Then we should stop persecuting them. Right?

    Have you noted that where drugs are legal, the use goes down?

    That sure beats our drug war against our own children.

    Regards
    DL



     
  • RickeyDRickeyD 540 Pts
    edited March 13
    Reversing abortion laws i.e. murder of children, would possibly lift God's wrath from the United States and thereby lift the pervasive darkness and deception of atheism-nihilism-moral relativism-self destruction that is growing exponentially among America's youth. We are a Nation headed to implosion as a result of our shedding of innocent blood involving the murder and mutilation of 61-million American babies subsequent to SCOTUS' affirming of unconstitutional Roe/73. America will surely die in apostasy via the deception and debauchery of Her youth now entering the voting booth across this beautiful Land...we've already lost two-three generations of America's young people to demonic deception via Darwin's idiocy/Naturalism...a direct resultant of God's wrath resulting from America's shedding of innocent blood. The United States will NOT go bankrupt if abortion laws are repealed but America may have an opportunity to live and actually thrive before it's too late.





    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotGnosticChristian
  • AlofRIAlofRI 552 Pts
    It's doubtful that reversing abortion laws would bankrupt U.S.. However, it WOULD cause a LOT of unnecessary deaths … kind of a two for one situation! Well, maybe not a "twofer", just one "death" and one "termination of viability" … so to speak. Either way, it would be worse.

    That said, what COULD bankrupt U.S. would be the de-regulation of consumer protection laws, the de-regulation of environmental protection laws, the adoption of an authoritarian government that keeps "the people" close to bankruptcy while seeing that those with the money control … the money, and the people. That would also be a bankruptcy of our Constitution …. a REAL "twofer"! :pensive:
    GnosticChristian
  • @GnosticChristian. How big government are you.  You are responsible for yourself.  I bet you also believe in a lot of socialist programs, free healthcare and free college too.  Why arent you putting your money where you mouth is a donating all your money to people who cant afford it?

    Why do i think we should take care of the child specifically.  Because the mother can get a job, and has control over her actions while a child doesnt. A child is not responsible for itself.

    So what your saying is you cant eradicate one wrong because others might decide to do something and illegal.  That is like saying if thousands of people say they will commit suicide if i vote for trump, i am responsible for killing them if i do it anyway.  

    You know the lousy stats poor and unwanted children produce?  What does that even mean, do you treat everyone as a statistic.  Again stating you value rich kids more than poor kids.

    Have you noticed where drugs are legal using goes down?  Are you suggesting that abortions would raise if it was made illegal?

    A fetus is not someone to the person looking to abort.  So if you are nothing to me i can kill you?
    GnosticChristian
  • RickeyD said:
    Reversing abortion laws i.e. murder of children, would possibly lift God's wrath from the United States and thereby lift the pervasive darkness and deception of atheism-nihilism-moral relativism-self destruction that is growing exponentially among America's youth. 

    Your youth are what is pulling you into reality and away from supernaturalstupid thinking.

    Our young are not nearly as gullible as their parents who swallow all the lies fed them by their lying preachers.

    Regards
    DL 
  • @GnosticChristian. How big government are you.  You are responsible for yourself.  I bet you also believe in a lot of socialist programs, free healthcare and free college too.  Why arent you putting your money where you mouth is a donating all your money to people who cant afford it?

    Why do i think we should take care of the child specifically.  Because the mother can get a job, and has control over her actions while a child doesnt. A child is not responsible for itself.

    So what your saying is you cant eradicate one wrong because others might decide to do something and illegal.  That is like saying if thousands of people say they will commit suicide if i vote for trump, i am responsible for killing them if i do it anyway.  

    You know the lousy stats poor and unwanted children produce?  What does that even mean, do you treat everyone as a statistic.  Again stating you value rich kids more than poor kids.

    Have you noticed where drugs are legal using goes down?  Are you suggesting that abortions would raise if it was made illegal?

    A fetus is not someone to the person looking to abort.  So if you are nothing to me i can kill you?

    I do not believe in anything being free.

    Free education and health care would likely be garbage. I believe in paying for quality teaching and health care services.

    You just do not live by the golden rule single payer syatem and would let some remain uneducated and sick, but surly not your own.

    If you were poor, you would pray that Christians would walk their talk.

    To your second.
    Children our our future and investing in the future is always a good idea.

    To your third. 
    Incoherent and unintelligent.

    To your 4th.
    Statistics are more important than your anecdotal renderings.
    Thinking demographically is always superior.

    To your 5th.
    No. I am suggesting that the stats that are dropping as we speak would be reduced even further and we would not have to abort nearly as many Christians.

    Your last is right out of it. Your analogy is childish. Grow up.

    Regards
    DL



  • @GnosticChristian. Wheres your evidence that Christians dont walk their talk.

    I am not poor because i worked my buy off in school to get a good scholarship, worked hard in college to get a job, and nowhave a stable job.

    I am not using anecdotal evidence, all im saying is you judge people as individuals not as a statistic.

    My third point was not incoherent.  You dont choose not to do something right because people may react in and illogical ways.

    You may not have been saying that, but when you state stuff like "the fetus is not someone to the person looking to abort" you leave yourself open for the criticism i stated before. Slaves werent people to slave owners either does that make their treatment justified? You should choose your wording more carefully.
  • My language is more accurate than yours. IMO.

    You have done the best you could with what you had and have.

    Everyone else is doing the same so stop trying to have them do what yuou want instead of what they want.

    The same applies to the religions who ostracize single mothers while holding on to all the cash required to give children the best possible outcome.

    Pro-lifers of all stripes think these women to be sluts and murderers yet will not spend a dime to help her or the children they would force her to have.

    In the U.S. these are mostly Christians doing abortions. Christians might want to clean that house before going to the houses of others.

    Regards
    DL
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  • @GnosticChristian. Wheres your evidence that Christians dont walk their talk.
    You can't be serious.

    Inquisitions, homophobia and misogyny. Republicans and their abuse of the poor.

    Need I say more?

    Regards
    DL


  • John_C_87 said:
    Nations don't go bankrupt they fail.
    Same thing. They fail due to lack of wealth.

    Regards
    DL
    How are you viewing wealth?
  • Nations fail for they no longer support the united state which holds them legally as a Nation. It has nothing to do with wealth.
  • @GnosticChristian. Yeah you need to say more you can just claim it to be true.  And none of those had to do woth the topic at hand.

    I have done the best with what i had and have...my goals arent complete i plan on doing more, in America you can come up feim nothing.

    Ostracize single mothers while holding onto the cash.  We didnt steal the cash, it is our money.  And no we dont ostracize them we just dont celebrate it. We would rather people wait to have sex until marriage because that yields the best results.  

    You keep saying we wont spend a dime on then but have no evidence for it.
    GnosticChristian
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    John_C_87 said:
    John_C_87 said:
    Nations don't go bankrupt they fail.
    Same thing. They fail due to lack of wealth.

    Regards
    DL
    How are you viewing wealth?

    All wealth, be it funds or holdings. Farms, factories, fisheries et all.

    Regards
    DL

  • @GnosticChristian. Yeah you need to say more you can just claim it to be true.  And none of those had to do woth the topic at hand.

    I have done the best with what i had and have...my goals arent complete i plan on doing more, in America you can come up feim nothing.

    Ostracize single mothers while holding onto the cash.  We didnt steal the cash, it is our money.  And no we dont ostracize them we just dont celebrate it. We would rather people wait to have sex until marriage because that yields the best results.  

    You keep saying we wont spend a dime on then but have no evidence for it.
    I have seen documentaries where the religious promise help but are not around when the timer comes to pay up.

    If women had proper support, most would not abort.

    If the Christians put up, they could shut up as the problem would mostly disappear.

    Regards
    DL
  • @GnosticChristian. You found documentaries that in general dramaticize stuff.  Again that is anecdotal evidence.  I want the numbers showing they dont.  Their are countless Christian organizations created to directly address this problem.

    If women had proper support...why is it other peoples job to support them.  Again your asking for Christianity to pay for every woman that irresponsibly gets pregnant.  It is not our job to support all of these cases although we do donate plenty.
  • @GnosticChristian. You found documentaries that in general dramaticize stuff.  Again that is anecdotal evidence.  I want the numbers showing they dont.  Their are countless Christian organizations created to directly address this problem.

    If women had proper support...why is it other peoples job to support them.  Again your asking for Christianity to pay for every woman that irresponsibly gets pregnant.  It is not our job to support all of these cases although we do donate plenty.
    Sure. As shown by the number of religious orphanages that have babies buried in their back yards.

    The fact is that those women more often than not do not have the wherewithal to bring up those children to their best possible end.

    Christianity may have taken more cash out of the secular side than most, given that your adult fairy tale churches create a tax shortfall that atheists have to make up.

    Regular theatres pay their way. Why don't Christians?

    Don't B.S. us about charitable business, which does not take anywhere near the tax break they get.

    Churches are liar's and thieves. That is why those who are bright enough know that they are not worthy of us or our tax dollars.


    Regards

    DL



  • @GnosticChristian. We dont create a tax shortfall.  We just arent taxed a second time when we give money to a church, which is not a business. We are taxed the same rate atheists are.
  • @GnosticChristian ;

    John_C said: How are you viewing wealth?

    GnosticChristian: Said: All wealth, be it funds or holdings. Farms, factories, fisheries et all.

    So, then the debt is only a part of wealth. By the way, I am walking through this witness account slowly.


  • @GnosticChristian. You found documentaries that in general dramaticize stuff.  Again that is anecdotal evidence.  I want the numbers showing they dont.  Their are countless Christian organizations created to directly address this problem.

    If women had proper support...why is it other peoples job to support them.  Again your asking for Christianity to pay for every woman that irresponsibly gets pregnant.  It is not our job to support all of these cases although we do donate plenty.
    Accidents are not irresponsible behavior and if Christians want to forcibly prevent women from aborting, then they can step up and make sure the child reaches it's best possible end.

    Pro-lifers can put their money where their mouths are and walk their talk for a change.

    Christians and their inquisitions are still with us. Strange that Christianity went form a bunch of murderers to a bunch who now complain about loss of life.

    Regards
    DL



  • @GnosticChristian

    Not all accidents are but a lot of them can be. For example, if you text and drive you might not mean to get in a crash but its irresponsible.

    Still provided no evidence christians dont donate money to this cause.

    What inquisitions are you talking about.  And christianity was never a bunch of murderers, involved in an occasional war, but so are nonreligious.
    GnosticChristian
  • @GnosticChristian

    Not all accidents are but a lot of them can be. For example, if you text and drive you might not mean to get in a crash but its irresponsible.

    Still provided no evidence christians dont donate money to this cause.

    What inquisitions are you talking about.  And christianity was never a bunch of murderers, involved in an occasional war, but so are nonreligious.
    We were talking reproduction accident. Your term.

    Show even one woman who was in need and now is not, thanks to Christians directly supporting her and her child.

    That anecdotal impossibility and lack of evidence for you is why you can put your question in the garbage.

    Inquisition are designed to either kill or change your thinking.

    Christianity continues to try to do so daily with their trying to change thinking and have us idol worship a genocidal god along with them.

    No thanks. I do not like Hitler types or a fascist Christianity.

    Regards
    DL
  • @MichaelElpers ;
    @GnosticChristian ;

    Both are missing the point that abortion is not an accident when it comes to invading privacy. The question of crime is in the practice of its use in legislation as law. As a united state, as the creator of grievance, this question can be translated and asked of every nation who sets guidelines by legislated law. Does or does not the invasion of privacy come from abortion and the self-incrimination? It has nothing to do with Christianity or many other religions.
    GnosticChristian
  • John_C_87 said:
    @MichaelElpers ;
    @GnosticChristian ;

    Both are missing the point that abortion is not an accident when it comes to invading privacy. The question of crime is in the practice of its use in legislation as law. As a united state, as the creator of grievance, this question can be translated and asked of every nation who sets guidelines by legislated law. Does or does not the invasion of privacy come from abortion and the self-incrimination? It has nothing to do with Christianity or many other religions.
    I was not using accident for the abortion. Our friend introduced that word for the accidental pregnancy.

    There is no self incrimination in a country where abortions are legal. 

    Regards
    DL
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