Can terrorism ever be morally justified? - The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com - Debate Anything The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com
frame

Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com. The only online debate website with Casual, Persuade Me, Formalish, and Formal Online Debate formats. We’re the leading online debate website. Debate popular topics, debate news, or debate anything! Debate online for free! DebateIsland is utilizing Artifical Intelligence to transform online debating.


The best online Debate website - DebateIsland.com! The only Online Debate Website with Casual, Persuade Me, Formalish, and Formal Online Debate formats. We’re the Leading Online Debate website. Debate popular topics, Debate news, or Debate anything! Debate online for free!

Can terrorism ever be morally justified?
in Philosophy

By DeeDee 2174 Pts
I think it can as the old saying  goes “ one mans terrorist is another’s freedom fighter” . If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force? 
Josh_DrakeDavidKashlinskyPlaffelvohfenSohnJoseall4acttAlofRIScienceRules
«1



Debra AI Prediction

Predicted To Win
Predicted To Win
Tie

Details +



Arguments

  • No I do not believe it can be morally justified.

    "If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force? "

    That would a rebellion or uprising, not outright Terrorism.

    According to Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism):

    the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
    gbn1002
  • @DavidKashlinsky

    Then I guess that religious people terrorizing children with fear of Hell to coerce them into doing or not doing things are terrorists too then... I might just agree with you... 
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1274 Pts
    @DavidKashlinsky

    Then I guess that religious people terrorizing children with fear of Hell to coerce them into doing or not doing things are terrorists too then... I might just agree with you... 

    ...but you promote global warming alarmism.
    Happy_KillbotDeeWe_are_accountable
  • @DavidKashlinsky ;
    It is possible however, that an uprising of freedom fighters could employ terrorism to approach their goals isn't it?
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • I don’t think it can be justified. A good example of where terrorism and freedom fighters were tied together is in Ireland. The IRA were terrorists  but many poorly educated people saw them as doing the right thing. They wanted to unify the island of Ireland.  This in itself was not morally wrong but using terrorism to achieve their goal was. There is almost no situation in which killing civilians can be justified.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @DavidKashlinsky

    ***** That would a rebellion or uprising, not outright Terrorism

    Yet the IRA were deemed a terrorist organization 
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    edited April 24
    @roryburke

    ****I don’t think it can be justified. 

    Right , I stated ..... “ If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force? “

    That’s exactly the situation regarding Ireland and most countries that the British illegally invaded 

    ****A good example of where terrorism and freedom fighters were tied together is in Ireland. 

    Terrorism is a viable solution to ridding  a country of oppressive forces 

    ***The IRA were terrorists  but many poorly educated people saw them as doing the right thing. 

    So were the invading British forces if you want to claim such. I’m not poorly educated and your sweeping generalization is informed by what? People who supported the IRA were Republicans and were as a group represented  in every section of society 

    ****They wanted to unify the island of Ireland.  

    Which they had every right to do 

    ****This in itself was not morally wrong but using terrorism to achieve their goal was. 

    What would you have them use instead to an uninvited invading force? 

    ****There is almost no situation in which killing civilians can be justified.

    Right so that rules all wars and conflicts out doesn’t it ? Also when you say “justified “ to who does one justify?
    all4actt
  • When discussing morality, I like to think about "what is morality".  In my opinion, there is no true moral foundation. It is completely subjective. It honestly can go both ways. So a terrorism is both justifiable and unjustifiable. It depends on the person. The only reason some opinions aren't as prevalent is that they have been wiped out. Unfortunately, In this world, "might makes right".
    DeePlaffelvohfen
  • SohnJoseSohnJose 11 Pts
    edited April 24
    @Dee terrorism, the word itself shows that it is an act of terror. Terrorism cannot be justified because it is killing of innocent civilians for political or religious reasons. 
    There is a significant difference between terrorism and uprising. During  uprising citizens raise their voice against the state. It can be by means of violence or not but it cannot be termed as terrorism. 
    Atrocities and crimes against civilians should be prevented and it is the responsibility of state.
    The question of whether it can be morally justified depends on the morality of the individual. There is no such things are universal morality. 

    BrandyKnight
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @SohnJose

    **** terrorism, the word itself shows that it is an act of terror. Terrorism cannot be justified because it is killing of innocent civilians for political or religious reasons. 

    So war cannot be justified using your rationale ? I clearly stated .....  . “If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited”

    Terrorism is thus totally justified 

    ***There is a significant difference between terrorism and uprising. During  uprising citizens raise their voice against the state. It can be by means of violence or not but it cannot be termed as terrorism. 

    A passive uprising , really?


    ***Atrocities and crimes against civilians should be prevented and it is the responsibility of state.

    I agree , but you seem to think it fine once an invading force does it , is that what you’re saying?

    ****The question of whether it can be morally justified depends on the morality of the individual.

    Yes a nation that’s invaded is to me morally justified to use any means to rid their country of an enemy 

     ****There is no such things are universal morality. 

    This I know 
  • TKDBTKDB 615 Pts
    @Plaffelvohfen

    Being Religious oriented is voluntary.

    Being non Religious oriented is voluntary.

    I would imagine that if a human being decided to be a terrorist, that that choice, is voluntary as well?

    And if any adult wants to file a lawsuit, against their parents for terrorizing their children with a fear over Hell, I don't doubt that there isn't a Defense Attorney, who will happily take those terrorized adults money, and haul their parents into a Court of Law to get restitution, or reparations for being terrorized by their parents over a fear of Hell?

    (I'll Google that information for you, and see if any Religious parents had their own children, file a lawsuit against them, for terrorizing their kids over a fear of Hell?)

    "Then I guess that religious people terrorizing children with fear of Hell to coerce them into doing or not doing things are terrorists too then."
  • TKDBTKDB 615 Pts
    edited April 24
    @Dee

    "Can terrorism ever be morally justified?"


    "I think it can as the old saying  goes “ one mans terrorist is another’s freedom fighter” . If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force?"

    What about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, are they justifiable, if they are viewed through the rationality filter, of your above statement?

    What about the terrorist attacks that have occurred in the United Kingdom, are they justifiable through the same rationality filter, that you came up with?


    https://theintercept.com/2017/03/29/you-shouldnt-blame-islam-for-terrorism-religion-isnt-a-crucial-factor-in-attacks/?comments=1


    "You Shouldn’t Blame Islam for Terrorism. Religion Isn’t a Crucial Factor in Attacks."

    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • Literally anything can be morally justified under Divine Command Theory, so yes... 
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDBTKDB 615 Pts
    @Plaffelvohfen

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory

    So the terrorist attacks of 9/11 can be justified via your Divine Command Theory?

    The various terrorist attacks that have occurred around the Globe can be justified via your Divine Command Theory?
  • @Dee you cannot term an uprising as an act of  terrorism. It is clearly an understatement. Take India's struggle for freedom as an example, We can clearly see the distinction. During uprising there were various attacks as well as non violence protests. The various attacks at the foreign civilians were condemned by the Indian freedom fighters. It was never justified by the Indian majority who was at the time being exploited by the British.
     Terrorism is a coward act of murdering the innocent civilians. 
    Uprising is no cowardly act ,it has a  much largering meaning than that. 

  • DeeDee 2174 Pts

    @Dee 

    *** you cannot term an uprising as an act of  terrorism. 

    You can if you wish but I don't 

     *** It is clearly an understatement

    So its not an act of terrorism 

    ***Take India's struggle for freedom as an example, We can clearly see the distinction. During uprising there were various attacks as well as non violence protests. The various attacks at the foreign civilians were condemned by the Indian freedom fighters.

    So what?

    ***It was never justified by the Indian majority
    who was at the time being exploited by the British.

    Again so what? 

     ***Terrorism is a coward act of murdering the innocent civilians. 

    It's not to me ,terrorism is the invasion of a country by a hostile force who have no right being there 

    ***uprising is no cowardly a
    Act ,it has a  much largering meaning than that. 

    So your solution to a hostile force is non violent protest, now that is cowardly lying down like a whipped dog in the face of a hostile force
  • @Dee revolution or uprising is a not a mere violent action of the masses against the ruling. It works at more levels, it contains a internal social revolution, diplomatic intervention ,staged protests and also sometimes attacks on military. 
    You need to understand the difference between an uprising and terrorism. For the sake of the arguments you are disregarding certain facts and coming to the conclusion that terrorism and uprising are same .
    Its not!! 
    Even if there are some acts of terror in the uprising movement, uprising cannot be understated as terrorism.
    ****** terrorism is the invasion of a country by a hostile force who have no right being there 

    Yes obviously that is terrorism .  if you way of retribution is by means of killing of the civilians of the hostile country, again that's also an act of terrorism. Be ready for the retaliation. "Thats also totally justifiable"

    ******So your solution to a hostile force is non violent protest, now that is cowardly lying down like a whipped dog in the face of a hostile force

    It is also a solution, at the right opportunity. Most imperialism was based on economic benefits, non violent protests such as non-cooperation movement destroys the very own revenue of the foreign forces. It also open door for a diplomatic discussion which is not clearly possible in the case of violent attacks. 
    Whether you see it as cowardness is totally up to you, but I see strong people who are ready to face the bullets for a better tomorrow . That's uprising .

  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @SohnJose

    mere violent action of the masses against the ruling. It works at more levels, it contains a internal social revolution, diplomatic intervention ,staged protests and also sometimes attacks on military. 
    You need to understand the difference between an uprising and terrorism. For the sake of the arguments you are disregarding certain facts and coming to the conclusion that terrorism and uprising are same .
    Its not!! 
    Even if there are some acts of terror in the uprising movement, uprising cannot be understated as terrorism.
    ****** terrorism is the invasion of a country by a hostile force who have no right being there 

    Yes obviously that is terrorism .  if you way of retribution is by means of killing of the civilians of the hostile country, again that's also an act of terrorism. Be ready for the retaliation. "Thats also totally justifiable"

    ******So your solution to a hostile force is non violent protest, now that is cowardly lying down like a whipped dog in the face of a hostile force

    It is also a solution, at the right opportunity. Most imperialism was based on economic benefits, non violent protests such as non-cooperation movement destroys the very own revenue of the foreign forces. It also open door for a diplomatic discussion which is not clearly possible in the case of violent attacks. 
    Whether you see it as cowardness is totally up to you, but I see strong people who are ready to face the bullets for a better tomorrow . That's uprising . I agree , an armed uprising is not terrorism 

    ****Yes obviously that is terrorism .  

    You keep changing your mind why’s that?

    ****if you way of retribution is by means of killing of the civilians of the hostile country, again that's also an act of terrorism. 

    So you keep saying 

    ****Be ready for the retaliation. "Thats also totally justifiable"

    Yes , tit for tat 

    ****It is also a solution, at the right opportunity. 

    Oh dear , after hundreds of years of oppression this is your best really?

    ***Most imperialism was based on economic benefits, 

    For the imperialists and their people , what’s your point ?

    ****non violent protests such as non-cooperation movement destroys the very own revenue of the foreign forces.

    Yes great , but people have to eat and they need to work to do that 

    **** It also open door for a diplomatic discussion which is not clearly possible in the case of violent attacks. 

    You don’t do diplomacy with an invading force that’s been there for centuries , Nothern Ireland is still under British rule you do know that or do you not ?


    ****Whether you see it as cowardness is totally up to you, but I see strong people who are ready to face the bullets for a better tomorrow . 

    Yes look up Bloody Sunday in Nothern Ireland and see how that fares out , it’s great when your not the one facing the bullets isn’t it?

    ***That's uprising .

    Its not , read below




    revolution

    /rɛvəˈluːʃ

    noun

    noun: revolution; plural noun: revolutions

    1. 1. 
      a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favour of a new system."the country has had a socialist revolution"


    uprising

    /ˈʌprʌɪzɪŋ/

    Learn to pronounce


    noun

    noun: uprising; plural noun: uprisings

    1. an act of resistance or rebellion; a revolt."an armed uprising"
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @TKDB

    As usual you rush in with your ridiculous assertions all because of your usual refusal to read what I actually stated ..... . If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force? 

    Well any answer? 
    AlofRI
  • TKDBTKDB 615 Pts
    edited April 25
    @Dee

    "As usual you rush in with your ridiculous assertions all because of your usual refusal to read what I actually stated."

    I debate based on historical fact, while you debate, based on WHAT?

    "If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force?"

    "Well any answer?"

    Yes, whether is Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or what have you, it's still a choice to be humane or to be a suicidal terrorist.

    The country is irrelevant, it's still a choice to be a terrorist or to be humane.

    "If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force?"

    Did Kuwait, do anything to provoke Saddam Hussein?
    No they didn't.
    So Saddam wasn't justified.

    Did Poland do anything to provoke Hitler?
    No they didn't?
    So Hitler wasn't justified.

    Did the United States do anything to provoke the Japanese, via the Pearl Harbor attacks?
    No they didn't.
    So Japan wasn't justified.

    Did the United States do anything to provoke those terrorists to provoke the 9/11 attacks?
    No they didn't.
    So those suicidal 9/11 Hijackers weren't justified.

    Fact: Some females in the past have worn suicide vests, and killed themselves by becoming suicide bombers?
    Are those deaths justified Dee?

    And another bizarre fact, some of the individuals who create sleeper cells, are the ones who apparently have to brainwash, or talk others into becoming suicide bombers, thus killing themselves because of an inhumane cause?
    Are those deaths justified Dee?



  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @TKDB

    You’re off topic and for trolling ....again 
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 1493 Pts
    edited April 25
    TKDB said:
    @Plaffelvohfen

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory

    So the terrorist attacks of 9/11 can be justified via your Divine Command Theory?

    The various terrorist attacks that have occurred around the Globe can be justified via your Divine Command Theory?
    My theory?? What are you babbling about? Can't read the very article you linked?? Are you stupi d on purpose or did you fall on your head too many time?
    Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • Firstly please give me the definition of morality. I don't think we could possibly decide on one particular definition. The term itself is very broad and subjective. Hence terrorism can be morally correct to one but be morally wrong to the other. Hence does this question stand?
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @ScienceRules

    . The term itself is very broad and subjective

    like almost every subject under the sun 
  •  The question of morality is unique to individuals. We cannot speculate as to whether something is or is not morally permissible if clearly defined "morals" have not been established. So is the post asking what everyone's moral standard is concerning terrorism or is it asking if terrorism should ever be acceptable in civilized society? 
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @BrandyKnight

    You need to read what I stated .......

    I think it can as the old saying  goes “ one mans terrorist is another’s freedom fighter” . If you lived in a country which was invaded and rule established in its name how is it not morally justified not to do everything in your power to remove that uninvited force?  
    ScienceRules
  • @Dee ; I did read what you stated and you were asking if it is morally acceptable. We would not know what is and is not morally acceptable to those people without asking them. 

    But your example is not of terrorism, it is civil war so I am confused as to where terrorism comes in to your scenario in the first place. 
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Dee said:
    @DavidKashlinsky

    ***** That would a rebellion or uprising, not outright Terrorism

    Yet the IRA were deemed a terrorist organization 
    It's important to know that IRA was found guilty of terrorism by a military tribunal, deemed is not the correct description.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @John_C_87

    It's important to know that IRA was found guilty of terrorism by a military tribunal

    So what ? That military tribunal were made up of the illegal occupiers of the country 
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    edited June 29
    @BrandyKnight

    But your example is not of terrorism, it is civil war so I am confused as to where terrorism comes in to your scenario in the first place. 

    It’s  not , there was no civil war going on in the North of Ireland 
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    I didn't say the officers of any tribunal had occupied Irland. I'll just leave you to it then.
  • Asher34Asher34 99 Pts
    @Dee I see what you are trying to do ie justify the terrorist like act of BLM and Antifa seizing areas of land ie the Chaz . Terrorism is not justifiable in most people's opinion. These violent thugs want nothing more than to destroy America attack or kill whites as well as police. They think laws should not apply to them at all . I am sick of far left people trying to make moral justifications for their violent actions and theft . Face it the far left lost people more and more are rejecting the far left purity tests .  
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • Well in India, Pakistan is very much associated with the word TERRORISM. While said that not whole of India considers it to be so. In Kashmir, the place where it is all happening, is quite in support of this. People there are taking up arms against India. So here the meaning of terrorism is not the same for all.
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @Asher34

    Again your failure to address what was actually asked in favour of a typical rage filled rant is so you isn’t it?
    Plaffelvohfen
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @John_C_87

    I didn't say the officers of any tribunal had occupied Irland. I'll just leave you to it then.

    I know which is why I corrected you

  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @ScienceRules

    The meaning of terrorism all depends on which side you’re on 
    carryrocks
  • @Dee
    Yes and so i think opinion on whether terrorism is morally correct or wrong will also differ.
    Deecarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • all4acttall4actt 133 Pts
    @ScienceRules

    Doesn't Pakistan consider India terrorist also?

    As far as the Irish war goes the  IRA is steeped in history that started out as a rebellion turned to an army turned to a smaller rebellion that had every justification for that rebellion.

    Let's also not forget the the British had their own terrorist group backed by MI6  that attacked Northern Irish citizens which only added to the IRA's resolve.

    Let's face it the British in their colonization days, although a legitimate military force, were terrorist in their own right.
  • @all4actt
    Yes it does. This is the reason why i think this question or motion doesn't stand.
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Dee said:
    @John_C_87

    I didn't say the officers of any tribunal had occupied Irland. I'll just leave you to it then.

    I know which is why I corrected you

    You made a point not correction, the point was taken and confirmed as to have been understood clearly.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @John_C_87

    You made a point not correction

    Incorrect, I corrected you and you acknowledged such .....stop sulking 
    PlaffelvohfenScienceRulescarryrocks
  • AlofRIAlofRI 733 Pts
    I don't think the "terrorists" that attacked Nazis in WW2 needed any "justification", the "morality" is arguable depending on your point of view and/or religious convictions.

    As for ME, I think those French, Italian, Polish, Hungarians ... and Americans ... etc., were TOTALLY and .... MORALLY justified .... "terrorists"! Many received medals, some posthumously. We should ALL be as "morally driven". (We could USE some, here and now ... but heavy on the morality)!

    I would recommend the book I read a few weeks ago : Under a Scarlet Sky. (Amazon). It's about Italy during the "reign" of Mussolini. I worked with a man many years ago who was present in the square where he and his mistress were "dealt with". This book describes it exactly as he did. No "morality", there, but, justification (IMO - yes).
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Dee said:
    @John_C_87

    You made a point not correction

    Incorrect, I corrected you and you acknowledged such .....stop sulking 
    You didn't correct me, you made a statement saying only one tribunal can take place at a time, for some reason only you know. The precedent of Military tribunal in Irland would instantly stop and limit again also for some reason you know all ideas of the military chain of command, basic saying military advisers never meet in any Nation other than the ones in political trouble. Like Ireland at that time in global history.


    Why would I sulk at being corrected that makes little sense considering the amount of spelling and grammar mistakes someone like me is capable of?
  • @John_C_87
    Not really possible for you to understand the reasons being stated here as you love to cling on to your own ideas.
    Deecarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @Dee ;
    Can terrorism ever be morally justified?

    Intelligence would tell me the answer to the question is yes terrorism can be morally justified when civil rights overextend consitutional right and have been found to corrupt state and federal jury pools. "Theoretically."

  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @John_C_87

    You didn't correct me,

    I actually did 

    you made a statement saying only one tribunal can take place at a time

    I never mentioned a tribunal and never made ant such statement are you off your meds ?

    The rest of your babble is your usual incoherent nonsense 
    ScienceRulesPlaffelvohfen
  • @Dee
    Its actually funny how he acknowledged the fact that you corrected him and then all of a sudden says you didn't correct him.
    Plaffelvohfencarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @ScienceRules

    Its actually funny how he acknowledged the fact that you corrected him and then all of a sudden says you didn't correct him.

    A strange person indeed , I never know what he’s on about 

    Did you notice he then went on to state.....you made a statement saying only one tribunal can take place at a time

    I never made such a statement , I don’t think he’s the full deck of cards
    PlaffelvohfenScienceRules
  • @Dee
    Yeah I had to read his arguments at least twice to make sure that I wasn't missing out on something. But nevertheless it made no real difference. You have got a lot of patience I must say. :p
    PlaffelvohfenDeecarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • DeeDee 2174 Pts
    @ScienceRules

    Normally like most on here I ignore him 
    ScienceRules
Sign In or Register to comment.

Back To Top

DebateIsland.com

| The Best Online Debate Experience!
2019 DebateIsland.com, All rights reserved. DebateIsland.com | The Best Online Debate Experience! Debate topics you care about in a friendly and fun way. Come try us out now. We are totally free!

Contact us

customerservice@debateisland.com
Awesome Debates
BestDealWins.com
Terms of Service

Get In Touch