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If you could choose just one thing to change about the world, what would it be?

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If you could choose just one thing to change about the world, what would it be?

Is it policy? Technology? Pedagogy? Access? Age? Assessment? Attitude? Expectations? None of the above? What should we learn? Relearn? Or unlearn?

By changing this one thing, what would the flow on effects be? What would this thing make it possible to do? And why does it matter to you?

It’s a simple question, but it’s not an easy one. It forces focus, clarity and a personal response. It could be small or large, possible or impossible. There’s no right or wrong, just different ways of exploring the problem and testing solutions in order to spark conversations and new ideas.

I think people need to become more aware of the damaging being done and the money that is being spent towards these horrible wars that only bring pain and sorrow. It is hard to make a change with war as it is something that everyday people can not control but there are a few simple things you can do to become involved. A major step is to become involved in today’s politics and be aware of who you are voting for. A way to help those being affected by war is to donate any money, old clothes, toys and perishable food to any major organization. Major organizations create safe spaces for children to go and help children get a start in going back to school. For more information on what you can do to help visit www.warchild.org. Today the Earth and many of its contents, thanks in large part to humans, is deteriorating and it has been for quite a time now. It is overwhelmingly populated with both ignorant and lazy people. In return not much is being done to prevent this deterioration. Pollution caused by humans and their inventions cause a major dilemma. Automobile exhaust fumes and factory pollutants are only a couple of the impurities causing damaging affects to the ozone layer and atmosphere. We depend on the ozone to defend us from harmful UV rays. Finally, we have a major impact on the degeneration of natural resources. Millions of gallons of oil, coal, and other




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  • @DebateChamp
    The destruction of the Azetc capital to build Mexico City. Tenochiland was not only one of the most gorgeous cities but also one of the most technologically advanced. It was a group of islands in a lake but yet they still managed to find a way to make it work but connecting each with a series of canals used to transport goods, building multi story apartment buildings, safety from crime, advanced irrigation, all while having around 100,000 people while still being friendly to the environment and maintaining efficiency. The aztec weren't morally better or worse than anyone else but when the Spanish took over them they had a golden opportunity to study the city and build upon it's already admirable foundation but instead they burned it all down and built current day Mexico city which ironically faces all the problems the Aztec capital solved. The lake is dried up and the city currently sinking. Objectively there are other things in history that should be reversed but this one always sadden me.
  • WinstonCWinstonC 191 Pts
    edited July 19
    The best way to make the world a better place is to make people smarter. That doesn't mean making people believe X or Y; it means making people better thinkers, so that they can discern whether X or Y is true or false.

    How can we achieve this? Diet is a big factor. Education that teaches people how to think critically rather than teaching people what to think is another major one. Perhaps the easiest way to make people smarter is by allowing the free marketplace of ideas to flourish, so that people are regularly exposed to bad ideas, but also to perspectives which challenge the bad ideas that we currently hold. Important skills do not develop without practice, and thinking independently and critically is no exception.
    MonketrunkScienceRulesCandaceParker
  • Ahh..I had been thinking for this question since long...maybe I have got an answer that one thing to change about the world would be that I would remove all the materialistic things from all around the world....I would change it to morally supporting things....

    We can see today the problem...70 % of Internet is filled with porn...lol....
     
    Love today has no meaning.....

    We consider the earth our and our only lol....

    We don’t think for categorised species called animals and plants.

    This all arrives from materialism...

    When materialism arrives ego increases and ego increases then man starts to disconnect with the world......

    Sex would be the only thing needed to continue our race.
    the biggest example of this is Japan they don’t get even a proper time to control their population...thus they have to spread awareness for it...lol 

    So I would only spread kindness and respect towards every human towards every species...

    And respect our existence in this infinite universe.


     
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1037 Pts
    At THIS time, Donald John Trump. "The Most Dangerous Man in the World." (With the most dangerous gang in the world: Barr, Miller, McConnell, Guilliani and that cute little liar who said she wouldn't. :-)
    ScienceRulesPlaffelvohfen
  • John_C_87John_C_87 406 Pts
    The lack of lifeboats......
    JustAnAllMightFan
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3426 Pts
    Honestly, I would not want to change anything about the world, but I would love to change the time I am living in. I have always been an enthusiastic futurist; I cannot wait for human-like AIs, interstellar space travel, genetic engineering, etc. to become everyday occurrences. I believe that the world will have all of these in a few centuries - but I might not live long enough to see it happen. So make it so I am born not in the late 2nd millennium, but in the late 3rd millennium - but keep my memories of this millennium, so I can appreciate the difference. That is all I ask!

    The world is great as it is. Humanity just is not evolving fast enough to my taste.
    CandaceParkerIdeaoftheEndless
  • Remove the corona virus!
    [Deleted User]
    Not every quote you read on the internet is true- Abraham Lincoln
  • I would put a ban on recreation from this point onwards. This means that no more babies would be brought into this world. This would put the present members of our society in a space of mental isolation as they are no longer relying on the youth to bring about noticeable change, they must rely on their own mental strength and capabilities. In creating this ban, the concept of 'survival of the fittest' will come into play as the smartest members and critical thinkers of our society will come into the light and create paths of success for the final ages of youth. The weak-minded will either fall without the opportunity to reproduce more weak-minded fruit or their age will be of benefit and leave them only to follow the successful - as we will only be a population of successful people. 
    If I could choose to change one thing about this world, I would put a ban on recreation from this point onwards.
  • I would make the world more challenging,  changing and chaotic so that human beings as a society would evolve into better and superior human beings at a much more rapid rate and I personally would prefer the world to be a more interesting and intellectually stimulating place whose requisites would have extemporizing as the number one pre requisite to survive. Overall addressing the actual question I would want to increase the chaos of the world and would not want to change it for good as things would not be as interesting as they are right now.
  • edited October 17
    Seriously though, who wants to live in a boring, mundane, utopian good world? What fun would that be? Why should anyone want to change an ever changing interesting world into a boring one? I debate against all of you who wish to choose something good. Seriously the amount of possibilities, ideas and fascinating art, music, etc. which our problems create I think far outweigh the problems in themselves. I mean just imagine no entertainment from those sources of sorrow, wouldn't people kill themselves from boredom or depression? Also wouldn't people stop thinking or at least have less motivation with creativity or solving problems in general? Also, won't you be incredibly bored?
  • @MayCaesar
    Loved your debate, amazing answer. Totally agree with you. Had similar views on the subject at hand myself. Amusing how everyone else thinks removing problems would be better for humans. I think problems are probably the only reason we gain sufficient motivation to create and develop technologies and from an evolutionary standpoint obviously trouble is really the only reason we evolve and more the problems, the faster we evolve, the smarter we become, the more fun we have and the more awesome and exciting the world is.
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless


    I would make the world more challenging

    More challenging for who? Most of the worlds population struggle just to make ends meet who exactly do you want to face more “challenges “? 

     changing and chaotic so that human beings as a society would evolve into better and superior human beings at a much more rapid rate 

    How does struggle make us “better and superior“ what are using to measure this idea of “better and superior “ against?

    and I personally would prefer the world to be a more interesting and intellectually stimulating place whose requisites would have extemporizing as the number one pre requisite to survive.

    Most humans are not remotely interested in such as they live lives of brutal labour and drudgery from cradle to death and their only ambition is to survive 

     Overall addressing the actual question I would want to increase the chaos of the world and would not want to change it for good as things would not be as interesting as they are right now.

    Interesting , so chaos would include this worldwide Covid scenario we are all in and you find this “ interesting “?
  • edited October 19
    @Dee
    1. More challenging for the human race in general. Yes I suppose they do which is why not changing the world is also a good choice to me.
    2. Better and superior to the current average of humans since lesser would survive and they would have been molded to be superior due to additional hardships. 
    3. I don't care about most humans, bleh.
    4. Yes the new Covid situation is very interesting and has already given me several fascinating ideas to improve the situation as I suppose it has to several intellectuals in much greater proportions which would again overall lead to faster development of technology and ideas in the field because of it being a current problem. Yes it is interesting to see how it effects the world and how we must adapt to best optimize the situation and also gives us a glimpse into such future possibilities. Also it definitely is interesting from my personal perspective. It provides sufficient motivation to innovators to think about things they have never thought about before. Also it is a major source of entertainment just like most problems in the world are which is important for humans to have as well for if we do not get sufficient mental stimulation we generally grow dull, sad, maybe even suicidal. 
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    . I don't care about most humans, bleh

    Yet you stated ....  Better and superior to the current average of humans since lesser would survive and they would have been molded to be superior due to additional hardships. 

    A very contradictory position to say the least 
    IdeaoftheEndless

  • @Dee
    Here is an example of entertainment provided purely due to the problem. Does this not make the world more interesting?  :D
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    . Does this not make the world more interesting?

    I’m sure it does to the millions worldwide who are now unemployed on account of Covid
  • @Dee
    That is not contradictory, I mentioned what the effect would be, I did not say I cared. Dee, are you telling me my personal perspective is not what this thread asked me to debate on? I would like it that way and that is that. LOL. Cheers! Noice debate. 
  • @Dee
    Are you trying to be sarcastic? If so make better argument because Corona memes have probably been seen by billions and they have most definitely made the world more interesting because without the current situation those memes(i.e. sources of entertainment) would never exist.
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    That is not contradictory

    It is , you said .... I did not say I cared..... and        I don't care about most humans, bleh


  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    edited October 19
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    Are you trying to be sarcastic?

    No , I’m saying your definition of interesting is amusing , how in anyway is the image “interesting”?

    If so make better argument

    I’m not arguing I’m stating a fact which seems to elude you 

    because Corona memes have probably been seen by billions and they have most definitely made the world more interesting

    Your idea of what’s “interesting “ you seem to think applies to everyone , I do not find such interesting in any way 

    because without the current situation those memes(i.e. sources of entertainment) would never exist.

    What a relief that would be 
  • edited October 19
    @Dee
    Well I suppose it is my personal opinion then. Again we come back to the same thing that I personally think it is the best choice and that is indeed the discussion of this hypothetical situation based thread. Also it is not my fault that ignoramuses such as yourself choose not to see all the benefits my choice would do to the world but then again I think perhaps that eludes you too. You aren't debating my points but instead appear to put up an ingenuous countenance with no actual counterpoint whatsoever and pretend to say that you don't see any merits in my argument. All this is fine even if it is true but then where is your debate? All you're saying is that you disagree but besides your personal views on the matter where are your points??
    For example you claim that it would be a relief that no funny memes stemming from problems would exist in the world. What exactly is backing your claim? Why do you think it would be a relief?Eventhough I also make personal opinions I at the very least have the common decency to try to present how it benefits me (if not everyone) where as your total justification is that I say no ol' man. No. Well you jolly well can so no all you want but where are your points supporting it? C'mon and debate. Otherwise you could just keep on saying no, no, no. Congrats genius! Best debate ever, cheers! Your wanton and unquestionably odd chatter makes little to no sense and if you assume it all eludes me then may i add your communication style is indeed extremely abstruse to me if it really does have any merit whatsoever. I for one can't fathom any meaningful thing from it. 
  • @Dee
    Fine, fine. Let me ask you in a clear short way. Why exactly do you think relief would spread if no memes on problems would exist in the world? If and when you answer that I have more questions for you but don't have the time and don't want to waste my energy on someone who may not even be responding to me later.
  • edited October 19
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless ;

    Well I suppose it is my personal opinion then.

    Yes , which you assume applies to all

     Again we come back to the same thing that I personally think it is the best choice and that is indeed the discussion of this hypothetical situation based thread.

    Yes , you do think this why are you stating what I know?

     Also it is not my fault that ignoramuses such as yourself choose not to see all the benefits my choice would do to the world but then again I think perhaps that eludes you too.

    Right , so an imbecile like you thinks that 850 million people suffering from hunger needs more “Challenges” .... I would make the world more challenging

    You aren't debating my points but instead appear to put up an ingenuous countenance with no actual counterpoint whatsoever and pretend to say that you don't see any merits in my argument.

    I’m asking you to address your ridiculous claim .... I would make the world more challenging

    Amusing you do not even know what the term “countenance “ means ....LOL 


     All this is fine even if it is true but then where is your debate? All you're saying is that you disagree but besides your personal views on the matter where are your points??

    I’ve raised one point but your lack of intellect has you running from and not addressing what I’m actually saying 

    For example you claim that it would be a relief that no funny memes stemming from problems would exist in the world. 

    I didn’t say that , I said I don’t find them “interesting “ you find them a tool for the betterment of the world it seems 

    What exactly is backing your claim? Why do you think it would be a relief?Eventhough I also make personal opinions I at the very least have the common decency to try to present how it benefits me (if not everyone) where as your total justification is that I say no ol' man. No. Well you jolly well can so no all you want but where are your points supporting it? C'mon and debate. 

    You don’t debate you preach , I’ve asked you to address my one claim yet your still preaching , why’s that?

    Otherwise you could just keep on saying no, no, no. Congrats genius! Best debate ever, cheers! Your wanton and unquestionably odd chatter makes little to no sense and if you assume it all eludes me then may i add your communication style is indeed extremely abstruse to me if it really does have any merit whatsoever. I for one can't fathom any meaningful thing from it. 

    Again your failure to comprehend basic statements is your problem not mine as I conclude it based on genetic imbecility as everything you’ve said so far is void of implication and I cannot see an improvement in this state of affairs I’m afraid , maybe your best approach is another meme , after all it’s so you isn’t it ?
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    IdeaoftheEndless
  • @Dee
    Are you trying to be sarcastic? If so make better argument because Corona memes have probably been seen by billions and they have most definitely made the world more interesting because without the current situation those memes(i.e. sources of entertainment) would never exist.
    @IdeaoftheEndless
    Absolutely, I agree that such memes make the world more interesting. That's a good one  :D
    IdeaoftheEndless
  • edited October 19
    @Dee ♤In response to your meme:-Using the Ad Hominem fallacy to debate is brilliant, fantastic :D I bet your argument is very strong, or else you wouldn't have had to resort to it. ;)
    ◇In response to your questions:-I did answer them above, scroll up and read. Yah they are rough outlines and not a proper plan but you should be able to get a rough idea since you clearly are of superior intellect ;)Read the point wise answer a couple of times
    .♧As for the cheap misguided shot on my vocabulary:- Countenance means facial expression and ingenuous countenance means an innocent facial expression. Using that is quite allowed in the way I did, you just need to think about it but perhaps your superior intellect doesn't want to waste itself on understanding basic English. It is an adjective to say a person appears to be innocent.
    ♡ Your wanton chatter never ceases, does it? I preach, eh? Well the point wise answer was the first one I gave. Please take some time to read it. Your response to the point wise answer which I refer to was I was self contradictory to remind you of it I have added this.

    My dear Dee, I think your use of Ad Hominem says it all about your intellect, no? 
    @Dee
  • The fact that you didn't understand my usage of ingenuous countenance and that you used the Ad Hominem fallacy all points to you having a superior intellect and the better argument. Bravo! 
  • Oh and I like responding in memes because sometimes it is a better way to express myself and communicate. 
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    Says the guy who when asked a simple question flew into a rage and said .....

     Also it is not my fault that ignoramuses such as yourself choose not to see all the benefits my choice would do to the world but then again I think perhaps that eludes you too. 


  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless ;

    all points to you having a superior intellect and the better argument. Bravo! 



    I know 

    IdeaoftheEndless
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    Oh and I like responding in memes because sometimes it is a better way to express myself and communicate

    It’s not a better way it’s your only way 
    IdeaoftheEndless
  • @Dee
    My dear Dee, are you purposely ignoring my first response or did you seriously never read it? 
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

     ♤In response to your meme:-Using the Ad Hominem fallacy to debate is brilliant, fantastic D I bet your argument is very strong, or else you wouldn't have had to resort to it.  

    That wasn’t an Ad Hominem I said you’re an imbecile that’s a statement of fact 

    ◇In response to your questions:-I did answer them above, scroll up and read. Yah they are rough outlines and not a proper plan but you should be able to get a rough idea since you clearly are of superior intellect Read the point wise answer a couple of times

    I got your “point” you think 850 million people suffering from hunger need more “challenges “ ......I disagreed and you sulk 


    .♧As for the cheap misguided shot on my vocabulary:- Countenance means facial expression and ingenuous countenance means an innocent facial expression. Using that is quite allowed in the way I did, you just need to think about it but perhaps your superior intellect doesn't want to waste itself on understanding basic English. It is an adjective to say a person appears to be innocent.

    You misused the term now you only make yourself look even dens than you are by attempting a convoluted excuse for your imbecility 


    ♡ Your wanton chatter never ceases, does it? I preach, eh? Well the point wise answer was the first one I gave. Please take some time to read it. Your response to the point wise answer which I refer to was I was self contradictory to remind you of it I have added this.

    Translation : you’ve no valid response 

    My dear Dee, I think your use of Ad Hominem says it all about your intellect, no? 

    Again a statement of fact is not Ad Hominem
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    I read and corrected your first response to me , I couldn’t bear to read your responses to others as your ones to me demonstrate admirably your intellectual ‘abilities’ .......not 
  • edited October 19
    @IdeaoftheEndless
    You said because I'm an my argument must be wrong which is fallacious, retarded and yes it is a perfect example of Ad Hominem. 

    Again you seem to think I care about the 850 million people who are suffering a lot. What relevance does that have to anything? I said that if the world was more challenging humans would be molded become better due to the following reasons:-
    1. Only smarter ones would survive resulting in a superior race of humans 
    2. Problems inspire people to come up with solutions so ultimately they would be better. 
    3. Need I explain more? 
    4. Your argument is some 850 million people suffer a lot, so what? How is that relevant in any way?
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @IdeaoftheEndless

    Listen up imbecile , how does more challenges make 850 million peoples life better do explain ? ......... I would make the world more challenging......


     Problems inspire people to come up with solutions so ultimately they would be better

    Hilarious 


  • TKDBTKDB 684 Pts
    edited October 19
    End crime, and abortion.
    People should hold themselves accountable for their abuses of life.
  • @Dee I joined the site to improve my communication skills so it's alright that you think I'm an . Am an introvert and am new to rhetorics. Hopefully you can tolerate my incompetence but honestly my argument is pretty decent and the fact of the matter is you're either willfully ignoring me or you're just not able to grasp it. Either way I hope my most recent response was slightly better? Hope I got my point through. Your points are mostly either fallacious or irrelevant, you really need to work on yourself too. You made very apparent fallacies and the only lines of arguments which were not fallacious were irrelevant. I am not going to attempt to further convince you since you appear to be under a strange delusion that anything I say can't be right or have any meaning because I'm an which I for one find odd to say the least. Another fallacious retort of yours was to say I preach indicating you have no argument against my ideas but because my 'tone' is wrong thus it implies my argument must be wrong which is another fallacy. You have been using Ad Hominem fallacy as infact your only rebuke since you began which is another cheap shot and I for one do find you to lack a basic sense of humor, a lack of intelligence and I think it was a waste of time to humor you at all but I still did. Calling you an ignoramus was accurate whether you accept it or not. It is evident. 
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    edited October 19
    @IdeaoftheEndless


    Thank you for the lecture from the pulpit now can you address what I asked from my very first post , it’s a simple question ......

    How does more challenges make 850 million peoples life better do explain ? ......... I would make the world more challenging......


     Problems inspire people to come up with solutions so ultimately they would be better

    Do explain the floor is all yours 



    Here is what I asked you from my very first post which for some reason drove you into a childish sulk .....

    I would make the world more challenging

    More challenging for who? Most of the worlds population struggle just to make ends meet who exactly do you want to face more “challenges “? 

     changing and chaotic so that human beings as a society would evolve into better and superior human beings at a much more rapid rate 

    How does struggle make us “better and superior“ what are using to measure this idea of “better and superior “ against?


    So now you’ve run out of excuses can you  address what I asked ? Do you know what debate means?


  • @Dee
    The argument of @IdeaoftheEndless makes perfect sense. Their plan is that they would make the world more challenging, and their reasoning is that making the world more challenging would help humans to develop and learn at a faster rate, to become superior beings. This is a completely rational argument. What part do you not get?
    IdeaoftheEndless
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1037 Pts
    The United States of America having a President, respected by the world, once again! That would be nice.
    xlJ_dolphin_473
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @xlJ_dolphin_473


    The argument of @IdeaoftheEndless makes perfect sense.

    To you and him yes , your point being you agree with him .......and?

    Their plan is that they would make the world more challenging, and their reasoning is that making the world more challenging would help humans to develop and learn at a faster rate, to become superior beings. This is a completely rational argument. What part do you not get? 

    The part I don’t get is how does making the world more challenging make 850 million fellow starving humans develop ?

    What is a superior being ?

    Maybe between the two of you an actual response can be formulated?

    What in my questions do you both not comprehend? 





    I would make the world more challenging

    More challenging for who? Most of the worlds population struggle just to make ends meet who exactly do you want to face more “challenges “? 

     changing and chaotic so that human beings as a society would evolve into better and superior human beings at a much more rapid rate 

    How does struggle make us “better and superior“ what are using to measure this idea of “better and superior “ against?

  • @Dee
    Dee said:
    To you and him yes , your point being you agree with him .......and?
    I am just befuddled by your apparent confusion at @IdeaoftheEndless’s argument, as to me it makes perfect sense and I am trying to convince you that it makes sense too... this is debate.
    Dee said:
    The part I don’t get is how does making the world more challenging make 850 million fellow starving humans develop ?
    Struggle is how we learn. No one ever learnt anything consequential without making mistakes along the way. Babies learn how to walk through struggling, making mistakes and challenge. Challenges and struggles of how we learn and can help us to advance ourselves every day.
    And in answer to your question, it helps those starving humans to advance by making it more difficult for them to survive, so they have to work harder to survive, and learn more tactics and skills, in order to stay alive.
    Dee said:
    What is a superior being ?
    Superior as in more skilled, more knowledgeable and more intelligent than we were previously. We can judge your superiority only in reference to who we used to be. The only person you should try to be better than is the person you were yesterday.
    Dee said:
    More challenging for who? Most of the worlds population struggle just to make ends meet who exactly do you want to face more “challenges “? 
    I can’t vouch for @IdeaoftheEndless’s views, but what I mean by more challenging is more difficult to survive and prosper.
    So I want to the world to become an equally more challenging for everyone.
    Dee said:
    How does struggle make us “better and superior“
    I’ve already explained to you how humans learn through struggle, so we can become more knowledgeable by having to struggle more and work harder to survive.
    now that I have given you a proper answer, we can debate that answer, and while I can’t vouch for what @IdeaoftheEndless thinks, we can have a debate based on each of our personal views.
    I look forward to a constructive debate.
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    edited October 19
    @xlJ_dolphin_473
    I am just befuddled by your apparent confusion at @IdeaoftheEndless’s argument, as to me it makes perfect sense and I am trying to convince you that it makes sense too... this is debate.


    I’m not confused , I asked two questions this where I live is called having a dialogue

    It’s wonderful to sit in the comfort of your home and suggest that people starving actually need more challenges right?

    Struggle is how we learn. No one ever learnt anything consequential without making mistakes along the way. Babies learn how to walk through struggling, making mistakes and challenge. Challenges and struggles of how we learn and can help us to advance ourselves every day.

    How is having more challenges on top of starving helping humans develop?

    And in answer to your question, it helps those starving humans to advance by making it more difficult for them to survive, so they have to work harder to survive, and learn more tactics and skills, in order to stay alive.

    But that’s not what he said he stated he wanted more challenges heaped on existing ones why?


    Superior as in more skilled, more knowledgeable and more intelligent than we were previously. We can judge your superiority only in reference to who we used to be. The only person you should try to be better than is the person you were yesterday.


    More skilled at what? What does superiority even mean to the starving ? What skills do those in famine ridden countries need seeing as no one has solved starvation yet


    I can’t vouch for @IdeaoftheEndless’s views, but what I mean by more challenging is more difficult to survive and prosper.
    So I want to the world to become an equally more challenging for everyone.


    Of course let’s make like tougher for those dying of starvation , brilliant 


    I’ve already explained to you how humans learn through struggle, so we can become more knowledgeable by having to struggle more and work harder to survive.


    How did that work for the last couple of centuries for the starving ?

    now that I have given you a proper answer, we can debate that answer, and while I can’t vouch for what @IdeaoftheEndlessthinks, we can have a debate based on each of our personal views.
    I look forward to a constructive debate.

    Indeed 
  • @Dee
    Dee said:
    I’m not confused , I asked two questions this where I live is called having a dialogue
    Yes, and I responded to your two questions.
    Dee said:
    It’s wonderful to sit in the comfort of your home and that people starving actually need more challenges right?
    Yes, it is indeed wonderful to live in a free speech society, where I can freely express and articulate my views... people living in a society without free speech would love to have that opportunity
    Dee said:
    How is having more challenges on top of starving helping humans develop?

    I already explained why: because it means those humans have to work harder in order to survive, and so need to develop their skills more in order to do that.
    Dee said:
    But that’s not what he said he stated he wanted more challenges heaped on existing ones why?
    I am defending ideas, not people. I can disagree with @IdeaoftheEndless on details... so what? And even then, I still disagree with you, which is why we are having this debate.
    Dee said:
    More skilled at what? What does superiority even mean to the starving ? What skills do those in famine ridden countries need seeing as no one has solved starvation yet
    More intelligence, more skills, more knowledge... and more skills at the most useful skill: surviving.
    Dee said:
    Of course let’s make like tougher for those dying of starvation , brilliant 
    I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but yes, it would be brilliant, as it would help us humans to become more skilled, more intelligent, and more knowledgeable.
    Dee said:
    How did that work for the last couple of centuries for the starving ?
    A lot of people died, sure... what is your point?
    Dee said:
    Indeed 
    Yes sure :smile:
  • edited October 19
    @Dee ;
    What I said was is almost in complete agreement with the interpretation of @xlJ_dolphin_473 of my views.
    As for your starving people as I said earlier it isn't relevant to the hypothetical situation because at an average it will make people better and those who won't survive won't. It is unfortunate but for the human race I just have to say that their are way too many of us which is why the resources on this planet are insufficient to take care of us. So the fact of the matter is we have to make decisions for the greater good and maybe, although I am not saying we should outright kill them but maybe if the resources of those 850 million were instead distributed among 50 million people and the others were to die it may possibly, now I am not 100% sure but it could possibly be good for the left over number of people and benefit their lives? Also you agree that these 50 million people will now be as nourished as the rest of us and the nourishment it would provide to their brains would be unquestionably amazing so I conjecture, only conjecture not theorize that the additional intelligent 50 million people would contribute far more than the 850 million people who don't intellectually contribute anything as a full community. This contribution of those 50 million would aid the other say 6 billion people and speed up our overall development. Here is my argument, if you mean those people won't survive then I say maybe it would aid the others who do survive and make their lives far better so in short to quote Spock the good of the many far outweighs the good of the few. This is why your argument seems to me irrelevant but ofcourse I may be wrong. Did I address your issue reasonably?

    Ideally we should perhaps benefit everyone but that quite simply isn't possible since our resources are finite. I apologize if someone sentimental feels it would be horrible but you can't say my argument is wrong because of your sentiments now, can you? Realistically what I said makes more sense. Sorry if you think it is immoral but I think Spock's views on the good of the many far outweighs the good of the few and if 50 million of those 850 million people survive we could actually benefit 6 billion and 50 million people so that is that. The idea is the ones left are definitely superior, smarter and better. This is being very old fashioned and bordering in Darwinism but this is how I choose to rebuke your argument. Hopefully i understood your question correctly this time. 
    xlJ_dolphin_473
  • DeeDee 2843 Pts
    @xlJ_dolphin_473

    but yes, it would be brilliant, as it would help us humans to become more skilled, more intelligent, and more knowledgeable.


    Right so since the dawn of time people have died of starvation and governments of the world attempt to help them yet you and your buddy think the actual solution is to actually add to their problems with more challenges as they will become more skilled and intelligent .....WOW! 

    Why did no one think of it before 
  • edited October 19
    @Dee The only reason I did not answer it before publically is because people are sentimental and don't understand moral dilemmas generally. I hope you understand me now.
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