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Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
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Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.

If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.

These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.

Regards

DL

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  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @GnosticChristian

    God makes the rules.  He says sins cannot be remitted without the shedding of blood.  That was what all the OT animal sacrifices were a type of, the shedding of blood for the remission of sins.  But sinners cannot be sacrificed for the remission of their own sins, much less anyone else's sins.  The animals in the OT sacrifices were a type of Jesus Christ who sacrificed His life on the cross for the remission of the sins of the world, made effective only in those who believe and receive the Truth given them by the Holy Spirit. 
    GnosticChristian
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @GnosticChristian
    "Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?"

    I think that you will find many passages in the Bible where Jesus punishes innocent people just because they do not have faith.


    GnosticChristian
  • marke said:
    @GnosticChristian

    God makes the rules.  He says sins cannot be remitted without the shedding of blood.  That was what all the OT animal sacrifices were a type of, the shedding of blood for the remission of sins.  But sinners cannot be sacrificed for the remission of their own sins, much less anyone else's sins.  The animals in the OT sacrifices were a type of Jesus Christ who sacrificed His life on the cross for the remission of the sins of the world, made effective only in those who believe and receive the Truth given them by the Holy Spirit. 
    Why does the holy spirit deny some people the truth while giving it to others?

    Why does your god deny us our free will and doom us to hell?

    ---------------------

     Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

    Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.


    Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

     The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

     If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design. 

    Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

     Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

     I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

    Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

    What is your choice of those two options?

    Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

    I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

    What do you think is the truth?

     Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

     Regards

    DL

     
  • Swolliw said:
    @GnosticChristian
    "Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?"

    I think that you will find many passages in the Bible where Jesus punishes innocent people just because they do not have faith.



    Indeed, to the point of execution, as promised on his return.
    Regards
    DL
  • marke said:
    @GnosticChristian

    God makes the rules.   
    Not if you read and follow the instructions in scriptures.

    Not everyone is a sheeple. Some can think.

    Have you not read your bible where it tells us to teat all things and hold to the good?

    You have done the opposite. You hold to a genocidal prick of a god and call that evil good.

    You might wonder why or at least try to do apologetics for the mass  murderer you adore.

    Regards
    DL
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