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Are Theists Reasonable?
in Religion

By SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
I think the answer is quite clear.

After all, If theists listened to reason, there would be no theists.
PlaffelvohfenAlofRISandSrslurp



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  • DeeDee 2362 Pts
    edited July 30
    They’re victims of indoctrination. If children were not exposed to religious nonsense until maturity as in 16 years old onwards and presented with a Bible to read and evaluate I guarantee apart from falling around laughing most would reject it for the utter nonsense it is 
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRIJGXdebatePRO
  • No they are not... Once you go from deism to theism, you've stepped out of the reasonable range... 
    DeeAlofRI
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Dee

    My heart goes out to those poor kids who end up dying before their time because they were never taught by Christians not to disrespect, disobey and assault police officers and attempt to steal their loaded guns.


    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotAlofRIJGXdebatePRO
  • DeeDee 2362 Pts
    edited July 31
    @marke



    My heart goes out to those poor kids who end up dying before their time because they were never taught by Christians not to disrespect, disobey and assault police officers and attempt to steal their loaded guns.


    Yet your jails are full of mostly American Christians,  those ‘teachings ‘ seem to be very ineffective regards the amount of American Christian rapists , murderers , thieves , peadophiles, , con men that fill your jails ?

    Maybe also you could tell us all why the Bible belt has the highest rate of teen pregnancies , and STD’s in theU S?
    Happy_Killbot
  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Dee

    It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie.
  • AlofRIAlofRI 829 Pts
    edited July 31
    Dee said:
    @marke



    My heart goes out to those poor kids who end up dying before their time because they were never taught by Christians not to disrespect, disobey and assault police officers and attempt to steal their loaded guns.


    Yet your jails are full of mostly American Christians,  those ‘teachings ‘ seem to be very ineffective regards the amount of American Christian rapists , murderers , thieves , peadophiles, , con men that fill your jails ?

    Maybe also you could tell us all why the Bible belt has the highest rate of teen pregnancies , and STD’s in theU S?
    Aw, jeez, I hate to use the term but, WHATABOUT the con man we have in the White House? You know, the one who grabs li'l kitties? The one who's gone to church three times(?) to get married? The one who "Trumps" porn stars when his wife is pregnant? The one who, like all good Christians, mingles with the planets most brutal murderers ..... and thinks "there are fine people on that side"? (Well, they aren't much worse ... or any better, than some of those Biblical characters). But, How does HE know that?? He's obviously never read a Bible ... unless maybe it was upside down.  :mask:
  • AlofRIAlofRI 829 Pts
    marke said:
    @Dee

    It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie.
    marke said:
    @Dee

    It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie.
    marke said:
    @Dee

    It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie.
    marke said:
    @Dee

    It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie.
    marke said:
    @Dee

    It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie.
    Well, it's obvious that no Chriswtian, especially Jesus Christ, taught Trump, he has NO idea that erroneous thinking is a lie!  :grin:
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @Dee
    "They’re victims of indoctrination. If children were not exposed to religious nonsense until maturity as in 16 years old onwards and presented with a Bible to read and evaluate I guarantee apart from falling around laughing most would reject it for the utter nonsense it is"

    I agree. I think that many kids who have religion hammered into them as youngsters go through their rebellious stage during their teens and will start to question their values. It has always been my contention though that religion (or at least, attending Churches) should be restricted to over 18-year-olds.
    JGXdebatePROMonketrunk
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @Plaffelvohfen
    "No they are not... Once you go from deism to theism, you've stepped out of the reasonable range... "

    Exactly. It's just like leaping out of the pan into the fire.
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @marke
    "My heart goes out to those poor kids who end up dying before their time because they were never taught by Christians not to disrespect, disobey and assault police officers and attempt to steal their loaded guns."

    And my heart goes out to those poor kids who cop the brunt of religiously-motivated bigotry.
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @marke
    "It is very bad logic which promotes the false idea that Jesus Christ teaches Chriswtians to be wicked.  Such erroneous thinking is a lie."

    I don't think that anyone has ever promoted the idea that the teachings of Jesus are wicked.
    My concern about teaching children religion is that they are blinkered into learning a particular mindset at the expense of a decent all-round education.
    JGXdebatePRO
  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @AlofRI

    Democrats make fools of themselves by finding faults with Trump that are epidemic among democrats they find no similar fault in whatsoever.
    JGXdebatePRO
  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Swolliw

    As Christians we teach our kids not to act like barbarians and loot and burn other people's properties like animals.


    JGXdebatePROAlofRI
  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Swolliw

    Atheists believe Christian schools deprive children of good educations.  Christians do not want their children taught the racist false science doctrine of evolution, among other things.


    JGXdebatePROAlofRI
  • DeeDee 2362 Pts
    @Swolliw

    I totally agree , it cannot work unless they get them young no one would fall for it otherwise 
    JGXdebatePRO
  • look, I personally am an atheist, but isn't it better if we just let theists believe what they want to believe, and let them get on with whatever they are doing without having to do this UTTERLY POINTLESS DEBATE.
    Monketrunk
    “I’d be lying if I said things are going according to my plan… but beggars can’t be choosers, right?” – Madara Uchiha
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @JGXdebatePRO
    "look, I personally am an atheist, but isn't it better if we just let theists believe what they want to believe, and let them get on with whatever they are doing without having to do this UTTERLY POINTLESS DEBATE."

    I think it is a perfectly valid debate and, to let theists believe what they want to believe is sheer complacency.

    Theists believe in vilifying and inciting hatred against minority groups....should we let them get away with that?
    Theists prey on those who are weak and vulnerable by instilling guilt and fear through threats of eternal punishment in Hell. Should we let them get away with that?
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @marke
    "As Christians we teach our kids not to act like barbarians and loot and burn other people's properties like animals."

    There must be something very wrong somewhere if someone needs to teach their kids "not to act like barbarians and loot and burn other people's properties like animals."

    Monketrunk
  • SandSand 213 Pts

    Being reasonable doesn't mean you need to accept wrong conclusions that atheists present.
  • SwolliwSwolliw 164 Pts
    @Sand
    "Being reasonable doesn't mean you need to accept wrong conclusions that atheists present."

    It would be unreasonable if one were to ignore the evidence and surmise that a wrong conclusion was presented to him or her, Don't you think?

    So far as the thread goes, it has been found that those of a "spiritual disposition" tend not to use reason and logic and will invariably accept things at face value. Scientific studies have also found a gene that may be responsible for many to believe that there is a God.
  • SandSand 213 Pts

    Would you say mathematics is useful in the natural sciences?
    If life came about without intelligence but by accidental convention.

    Why does the natural world always, as far as we know, obey the laws of mathematics?

  • AlofRIAlofRI 829 Pts
    look, I personally am an atheist, but isn't it better if we just let theists believe what they want to believe, and let them get on with whatever they are doing without having to do this UTTERLY POINTLESS DEBATE.
    If theists would go on with what they are doing AMONGST THEMSELVES, that WOULD be great. That would mean that this "utterly pointless debate" would never have come up, anyway. But it did because they CAN'T. That is the only thing I have against religions, they can't resist the NEED to convert because they can't have ANYONE around that doesn't think their way. As an atheist, I don't give a rats tother end what others believe, as long as they play by society's rules.
    Monketrunk
  • SandSand 213 Pts

    Would you say you feel there is a standard of moral value to be reasonable?

  • look, I personally am an atheist, but isn't it better if we just let theists believe what they want to believe, and let them get on with whatever they are doing without having to do this UTTERLY POINTLESS DEBATE.
    It's fine for them to believe what they want to believe, but as @Swolliw said, when they incite hatred against minority groups, and to a lesser degree, but still very pressingly, everyone who disagrees with them, should we let them do that?
  • SandSand 213 Pts

    Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them unreasonable.
    Plus everyone who agrees with is not reasonable.

    Being reasonable depends largely upon the way a person views himself and others.
    If he is very disrespectful of persons who think differently than he does, it is a strong indication that he is unreasonable.

  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Swolliw

    Of course kids need to be taught to be civilized.  Look at all those kids burning and looting as if they have received no training at all.
    Sand
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