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God is Love, seems to be setting a low bar for Love? Right?

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God is Love, seems to be setting a low bar for Love? Right?

 

Should, Yahweh is Love, be read as, Yahweh is Hate?

 

God is as dualistic as the universe is. Yin and Yang compliment each other but one side is perceived as dominant in our subjective views.

 

Most Christians think Yahweh to be good, but many in both the believer and non-believer camps disagree.

 

Reality also disagrees.

 

I see more hate in Yahweh than love.

 

Do you?

 

Regards

DL

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  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  

    God is love.  God came as a son and died for us.  There is no greater love then a man who lays down his life for his friends.


    1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

    1 John 4:16 And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

    John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

    1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.

    GnosticChristian
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SwolliwSwolliw 807 Pts   -  
    @TrueLove
    God is love.

    How dare Christians hijack the meaning of a perfectly legitimate word and use it as a metaphor to describe the imaginary existence of one of the most revoltingly cruel, ruthless, murderous uncompassionate characters ever devised.
    GnosticChristianPlaffelvohfenTreeMan
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:

    How dare Christians hijack the meaning of a perfectly legitimate word and use it as a metaphor to describe the imaginary existence of one of the most revoltingly cruel, ruthless, murderous uncompassionate characters ever devised.
    Try to discuss what I said and not just give a reaction.

    Jesus says there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. 

    Jesus died for his friends.  
    GnosticChristianPlaffelvohfenTreeMan
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • DeeDee 3941 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    @TrueLove

    Jesus says there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends


    Right so god requires his son to be tortured to death and die for our sins , yet apparently we get judged for our sins when we die so why are we judged if the debt is paid through the death of Jesus?

    An all powerful gods best plan was to come to Earth by impregnating a Palestinian virgin so he could be born to die for our sins before we are even born and yet still judge us when we die .....now that’s like something a stoner would come up with 

    Tell me also what was this great “sacrifice “ he made? Died for a couple of days and then given eternal life .....come on really?

    People have put their lives in the line for others and suffered 100 times worse than Jesus and Christians call this a “great sacrifice “ 
    GnosticChristianPlaffelvohfenTreeMan
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    Dee said:
    Right so god requires his son to be tortured to death and die for our sins ,


    TrueLove said:
    Jesus is God come as a man in the flesh.


    Dee said:yet apparently we get judged for our sins when we die so why are we judged if the debt is paid through the death of Jesus?


    TrueLove said:
    Jesus died for his friends.  You have to become his friend.


    Dee said:
    Tell me also what was this great “sacrifice “ he made? Died for a couple of days and then given eternal life .....come on really?


    TrueLove said:
    He is God and is the Creator of everything, and He came to show us the way, then suffer and die.  


    Dee said:
    People have put their lives in the line for others and suffered 100 times worse than Jesus and Christians call this a “great sacrifice “ 


    TrueLove said:
    Jesus says it is the greatest love.

    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    TrueLove said:

    God is love.  God came as a son and died for us.  There is no greater love then a man who lays down his life for his friends.


    1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

    1 John 4:16 And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

    John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

    1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.

    So you think Yahweh loved his son, yet just not enough to die for him. You respect that do you?

    Would you not die for your child?

    As to Jesus dying for you: no.

    You cannot make Jesus out to be as vile as his genocidal prick of a father. Stop wanting him to break the laws he preached.


    It takes quite an  inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

    You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

    It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

    You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7  None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

    Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh.

    Regards

    DL

    P.S.

    Listen to what a good moral position is on this.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9gEBdg


  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -  
    TrueLove said:
    Swolliw said:

    How dare Christians hijack the meaning of a perfectly legitimate word and use it as a metaphor to describe the imaginary existence of one of the most revoltingly cruel, ruthless, murderous uncompassionate characters ever devised.
    Try to discuss what I said and not just give a reaction.

    Jesus says there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. 

    Jesus died for his friends.  
    Jesus died to have Yahweh, who was greedy for knowledge, know death. Spiritually speaking that is. Yahweh is not real.

    Jesus also died to test the old messiah myth. He failed it. That is why most Jews rejected his doctrine. 

    They were not that moral in the first place.

    To say that Jesus died for us implies that we have been condemned by the same god you think would accept a bribe and punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

    Why would you believe that you have been condemned by a crooked judge?

    No one is that foolish.

    Regards
    DL
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    TrueLove said:
    Jesus is God come as a man in the flesh.

    If you are a literalist, then given that Yahweh is endogenous, you should be correct and say that Jesus came as a woman.

    You seem to be ignoring your doctrine.

    Eve could not come out of Adam and be his rib woman if Adam was not endogenous.

    This speaker, a literalist like you, speaks of this near the end of her presentation. You likely know the organization.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdD5-GGSEc

    Regards
    DL


  • SandSand 288 Pts   -  
    It really depends on if you feel God is literally connected to reality.

    If your stand is God is not real.
    Then God is fictitious.
    Thus the statement "God is love" has no effect on reality whatsoever.
    By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition.

    The definition in the English language only shows 2 levels.
    #1 an intense feeling of deep affection
    #2 a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone.
    There are no rules in regards to these two definitions.

    The Bible outlines 4 levels based on the Greek/Hebrew language.
    #1 Eros - Romantic or Sexual Love
    #2 Storge - Family Love
    #3 Philia - Close Friendship
    #4 Agape - Principle Love

    Outside of the ability to Love your enemies, the rules of Agape are clearly outlined in the Bible:
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

    If you can show a clearer better definition that is widely accepted, then maybe the Bible standard is not the highest.
    GnosticChristianPlaffelvohfen
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited May 5
    @GnosticChristian

    All have to die, but all can become a child of God and receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life as the inheritance.

    Jesus is God come in the flesh as a son, to show us the way, and to make a Last Will and Testament, a New Covenant.


    GnosticChristianTreeMan
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited May 5


    @GnosticChristian

    TrueLove says: You won't ever know the truth, because to know the Truth, you must do what Jesus says to do.

    TreeMan
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -  
    TrueLove said:
    @GnosticChristian

    So you think Yahweh loved his son, yet just not enough to die for him. You respect that do you?

    Would you not die for your child?

    As to Jesus dying for you: no.

    You cannot make Jesus out to be as vile as his genocidal prick of a father. Stop wanting him to break the laws he preached.


    It takes quite an  inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

    You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

    It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

    You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7  None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

    Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh.

    Regards

    DL



    TrueLove says:

    All have to die, but all can become a child of God and receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life as the inheritance.

    Jesus is God come in the flesh as a son, to show us the way, and to make a Last Will and Testament, a New Covenant.


    All have to die, but if you are not willing to die for your child, you are Satan's spawn as you would bring Jesus and his morals down to your level.

    Yahweh is Satan's spawn, that is why he is genocidal and infanticidal.

    Be proud of your satanic god.

    Regards
    DL
    TreeMan
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited May 5
    @GnosticChristian

    All have to die, but all can become a child of God and receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life.

    Jesus is God come in the flesh as a son, to show us the way, and to make a Last Will and Testament, a New Covenant.


    TreeMan
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited May 5
    @GnosticChristian

    Through one man named Adam came sin, and through one man named Jesus all can have eternal life.

    Romans 5:12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

    15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 

    TreeMan
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -  
    Sand said:
    It really depends on if you feel God is literally connected to reality.

    If your stand is God is not real.
    Then God is fictitious.
    Thus the statement "God is love" has no effect on reality whatsoever.
    By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition.

    The definition in the English language only shows 2 levels.
    #1 an intense feeling of deep affection
    #2 a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone.
    There are no rules in regards to these two definitions.

    The Bible outlines 4 levels based on the Greek/Hebrew language.
    #1 Eros - Romantic or Sexual Love
    #2 Storge - Family Love
    #3 Philia - Close Friendship
    #4 Agape - Principle Love

    Outside of the ability to Love your enemies, the rules of Agape are clearly outlined in the Bible:
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

    If you can show a clearer better definition that is widely accepted, then maybe the Bible standard is not the highest.
    "By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition."

    First. No to these two. We likely do not define or use the word god the same way. Here I am comparing the word to a literal view of Yahweh. Yahweh is a fictional character.

    Second. You showed where love is kind. A good start to proving that Yahweh is not love as genocide is not a kind thing to do.

    The  bible has decent standards but you have to know how to interpret it's wisdom and or foolishness. Love your enemy is a good example. Foolishness, until you make your enemy your friend. To love ones enemy is to cheapen the love for ones friends.

    What which of the genocidal ones moral tenets you follow. Some are satanic.

    Regards
    DL


    Sand
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Sand said:
    It really depends on if you feel God is literally connected to reality.

    If your stand is God is not real.
    Then God is fictitious.
    Thus the statement "God is love" has no effect on reality whatsoever.
    By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition.

    The definition in the English language only shows 2 levels.
    #1 an intense feeling of deep affection
    #2 a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone.
    There are no rules in regards to these two definitions.

    The Bible outlines 4 levels based on the Greek/Hebrew language.
    #1 Eros - Romantic or Sexual Love
    #2 Storge - Family Love
    #3 Philia - Close Friendship
    #4 Agape - Principle Love

    Outside of the ability to Love your enemies, the rules of Agape are clearly outlined in the Bible:
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

    If you can show a clearer better definition that is widely accepted, then maybe the Bible standard is not the highest.
    I don't believe the Bible outlines 4 levels of love.

    There is one love.

    Sex is not love it is something one is to do with someone you love, but it is not love in and of itself.  As for other kinds of love that you mentioned, why would there be different levels?    You speak of things most all do, but I think it is a misunderstanding of the scriptures and the Greek and Hebrew language.  
    Sand
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Sand said:
    It really depends on if you feel God is literally connected to reality.

    If your stand is God is not real.
    Then God is fictitious.
    Thus the statement "God is love" has no effect on reality whatsoever.
    By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition.

    The definition in the English language only shows 2 levels.
    #1 an intense feeling of deep affection
    #2 a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone.
    There are no rules in regards to these two definitions.

    The Bible outlines 4 levels based on the Greek/Hebrew language.
    #1 Eros - Romantic or Sexual Love
    #2 Storge - Family Love
    #3 Philia - Close Friendship
    #4 Agape - Principle Love

    Outside of the ability to Love your enemies, the rules of Agape are clearly outlined in the Bible:
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

    If you can show a clearer better definition that is widely accepted, then maybe the Bible standard is not the highest.
    "By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition."

    First. No to these two. We likely do not define or use the word god the same way. Here I am comparing the word to a literal view of Yahweh. Yahweh is a fictional character.

    Second. You showed where love is kind. A good start to proving that Yahweh is not love as genocide is not a kind thing to do.

    The  bible has decent standards but you have to know how to interpret it's wisdom and or foolishness. Love your enemy is a good example. Foolishness, until you make your enemy your friend. To love ones enemy is to cheapen the love for ones friends.

    What which of the genocidal ones moral tenets you follow. Some are satanic.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the only one who can take life and it be right, because He is the one who gave life and will raise all to life again.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    TrueLove said:
    Sand said:
    It really depends on if you feel God is literally connected to reality.

    If your stand is God is not real.
    Then God is fictitious.
    Thus the statement "God is love" has no effect on reality whatsoever.
    By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition.

    The definition in the English language only shows 2 levels.
    #1 an intense feeling of deep affection
    #2 a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone.
    There are no rules in regards to these two definitions.

    The Bible outlines 4 levels based on the Greek/Hebrew language.
    #1 Eros - Romantic or Sexual Love
    #2 Storge - Family Love
    #3 Philia - Close Friendship
    #4 Agape - Principle Love

    Outside of the ability to Love your enemies, the rules of Agape are clearly outlined in the Bible:
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

    If you can show a clearer better definition that is widely accepted, then maybe the Bible standard is not the highest.
    "By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition."

    First. No to these two. We likely do not define or use the word god the same way. Here I am comparing the word to a literal view of Yahweh. Yahweh is a fictional character.

    Second. You showed where love is kind. A good start to proving that Yahweh is not love as genocide is not a kind thing to do.

    The  bible has decent standards but you have to know how to interpret it's wisdom and or foolishness. Love your enemy is a good example. Foolishness, until you make your enemy your friend. To love ones enemy is to cheapen the love for ones friends.

    What which of the genocidal ones moral tenets you follow. Some are satanic.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the only one who can take life and it be right, because He is the one who gave life and will raise all to life again.
    Faith based mythos. Reading a myth literally has you believing in talking serpents and donkeys. 

    Supernatural thinking is what has you adoring a genocidal misogynous god who has made you second class, woman.

    Do give your head a shake.

    You keep to the faith issue because you do not want to look at the vile morals you are holding to.

    Some call your ilk moral cowards.

    You will talk of anything but the immorality of your satanic genocidal god.

    Come back when you reach the age of reason.

    Regards
    DL
  • SandSand 288 Pts   -  

    You are right about the Bible not using eros.

    Storge
    Romans 1:31 - "they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love (astorgous), no mercy."

    Agape & Philia
    John 21:15 - "So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love (agapas) Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love (philo) You.” He said to him, “Feed My lambs.”

    Those are the greek words.
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Sand said:

    You are right about the Bible not using eros.

    Storge
    Romans 1:31 - "they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love (astorgous), no mercy."

    Agape & Philia
    John 21:15 - "So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love (agapas) Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love (philo) You.” He said to him, “Feed My lambs.”

    Those are the greek words.
    Those could just be words that reflect 'you' and 'me'. There is only one way to have True Love.  Your spouse and parents, and anyone else don't want a lesser love.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    TrueLove said:
    Sand said:
    It really depends on if you feel God is literally connected to reality.

    If your stand is God is not real.
    Then God is fictitious.
    Thus the statement "God is love" has no effect on reality whatsoever.
    By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition.

    The definition in the English language only shows 2 levels.
    #1 an intense feeling of deep affection
    #2 a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone.
    There are no rules in regards to these two definitions.

    The Bible outlines 4 levels based on the Greek/Hebrew language.
    #1 Eros - Romantic or Sexual Love
    #2 Storge - Family Love
    #3 Philia - Close Friendship
    #4 Agape - Principle Love

    Outside of the ability to Love your enemies, the rules of Agape are clearly outlined in the Bible:
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

    If you can show a clearer better definition that is widely accepted, then maybe the Bible standard is not the highest.
    "By further commenting on this topic you show yourself to have a belief that God is real and has an effect on reality.

    That stand shows God's standard for Love to be the highest standard based on our understanding of the definition."

    First. No to these two. We likely do not define or use the word god the same way. Here I am comparing the word to a literal view of Yahweh. Yahweh is a fictional character.

    Second. You showed where love is kind. A good start to proving that Yahweh is not love as genocide is not a kind thing to do.

    The  bible has decent standards but you have to know how to interpret it's wisdom and or foolishness. Love your enemy is a good example. Foolishness, until you make your enemy your friend. To love ones enemy is to cheapen the love for ones friends.

    What which of the genocidal ones moral tenets you follow. Some are satanic.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the only one who can take life and it be right, because He is the one who gave life and will raise all to life again.
    Faith based mythos. Reading a myth literally has you believing in talking serpents and donkeys. 

    Supernatural thinking is what has you adoring a genocidal misogynous god who has made you second class, woman.

    Do give your head a shake.

    You keep to the faith issue because you do not want to look at the vile morals you are holding to.

    Some call your ilk moral cowards.

    You will talk of anything but the immorality of your satanic genocidal god.

    Come back when you reach the age of reason.

    Regards
    DL
    Kind of funny how humans can get a parrot to talk, but according to you God can't do whatever He wants.

    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SwolliwSwolliw 807 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    @TrueLove
    Try to discuss what I said and not just give a reaction.

    You "said" nothing. Instead, you quoted passages from the Bible.
    You also deliberately avoided my valid discussion through sidetracking.
    Perhaps you may wish to look up the word "honesty".
    GnosticChristian
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @TrueLove
    Try to discuss what I said and not just give a reaction.

    You "said" nothing. Instead, you quoted passages from the Bible.
    You also deliberately avoided my valid discussion through sidetracking.
    Perhaps you may wish to look up the word "honesty".
    I spoke of God coming to earth as a man and dying for us and that there is no greater love than that.  
    You did not reply to that but only ranted on about whatever.
    GnosticChristian
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SandSand 288 Pts   -  

    You are right, it could be.

    But through the Bible it seems God is teaching Agape.
    That is the most commonly used word.
    Phila is used to denote affection, a close bond between friends.
    When the scriptures use Love most times it is using Agape.
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    Sand said:

    You are right, it could be.

    But through the Bible it seems God is teaching Agape.
    That is the most commonly used word.
    Phila is used to denote affection, a close bond between friends.
    When the scriptures use Love most times it is using Agape.
    Jesus teaches how to have true love.  He says that even wicked people love their own, and that we are to love even our enemies.  I just don't like it when people make more than one word for 'love'.  Do you know what I mean?  So I love my friend less than I love my enemy whom I am supposed to love as my own family?  
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SwolliwSwolliw 807 Pts   -  
    @TrueLove
    You did not reply to that but only ranted on about whatever.

    I did reply and, by the same token, I could (and quite justifiably so) say that you "only ranted on about whatever". 
    Now, are you going to address the points raised in my post or are you going to continue to come up with diversions?
    Or, simply concede that what I said is perfectly valid?
  • SandSand 288 Pts   -  

    I understand.
    The problem is the word love is overused, that its meaning can be greatly distorted.
    Principal love (Agape) is supposed to blanked for everyone, regardless of who they are.
    That is the kind of Love God has for everyone. It is the Love that God displayed when he send this only begotten Son to die for us.
    That kind of love is when you see your enemy is hungry you feed them.
    Nevertheless, it isn't like (philia) which is affectionate love, when you look forward to seeing your friend.
    You have a favorite person, fond of, a personal attachment, as a matter of sentiment or feeling.
    Someone, you would tell personal things or share special stuff with. 

    God loves you no matter what you do to him, if you curse him, try to prove he doesn't exist, he still lets it rain on everyone.
    If you hurt his heart and kill people, or extort everyone, he still lets the Sunshine on everyone.
    Those who try to adhere to his requirements, who try to serve him, who work hard to treat people kindly.
    God has Agape and Philia for those ones.
    You essentially become God's friend.

    So although Philia is a weaker love than Agape, it is used in conjunction (or as a sandwich).
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @TrueLove
    You did not reply to that but only ranted on about whatever.

    I did reply and, by the same token, I could (and quite justifiably so) say that you "only ranted on about whatever". 
    Now, are you going to address the points raised in my post or are you going to continue to come up with diversions?
    Or, simply concede that what I said is perfectly valid?
    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.

    GnosticChristian
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    Sand said:

    I understand.
    The problem is the word love is overused, that its meaning can be greatly distorted.
    Principal love (Agape) is supposed to blanked for everyone, regardless of who they are.
    That is the kind of Love God has for everyone. It is the Love that God displayed when he send this only begotten Son to die for us.
    That kind of love is when you see your enemy is hungry you feed them.
    Nevertheless, it isn't like (philia) which is affectionate love, when you look forward to seeing your friend.
    You have a favorite person, fond of, a personal attachment, as a matter of sentiment or feeling.
    Someone, you would tell personal things or share special stuff with. 

    God loves you no matter what you do to him, if you curse him, try to prove he doesn't exist, he still lets it rain on everyone.
    If you hurt his heart and kill people, or extort everyone, he still lets the Sunshine on everyone.
    Those who try to adhere to his requirements, who try to serve him, who work hard to treat people kindly.
    God has Agape and Philia for those ones.
    You essentially become God's friend.

    So although Philia is a weaker love than Agape, it is used in conjunction (or as a sandwich).
    I am wondering why you would say the word 'love' is an overused word.  
    I still don't agree with you about their being different kinds of love.
    I am even against having to study another language to know God better.
    That is not in the Bible that we need to know Hebrew and or Greek.
    As for you saying God loves you no matter what, that is not in the Bible.
    God loves His creation and good happens to the wicked too, except God does not even know you and love you personally unless you love Him.

    John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyemy Father's commandments and remain in his love.

    Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me,

    John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them

    John 16:27 For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from God.

    Sand
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • xlJ_dolphin_473xlJ_dolphin_473 1408 Pts   -  
    @TrueLove
     Just to confirm, you think that there is only one kind of love?
     Do you love your friends as you love your family?
    GnosticChristian
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited August 2020
    @TrueLove
     Just to confirm, you think that there is only one kind of love?
     Do you love your friends as you love your family?
    Right; I would cause no harm to a friend just as I wouldn't to a family member.  Love is doing no harm.  

    Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SandSand 288 Pts   -  

    >>>I am wondering why you would say the word 'love' is an overused word. 
    I still don't agree with you about their being different kinds of love.<<<

    Let me clarify my viewpoint.
    There is only one kind of love.
    There are different ways to display it.
    When you say I love my mom, it means something different than I love this piece of chocolate.
    Love is displayed differently than for a relative than for someone you are intimate with.

    The Bible provided a better understanding of the proper way to display love.



    >>>I am even against having to study another language to know God better.
    That is not in the Bible that we need to know Hebrew and or Greek.<<<

    You do not have to study another language to know God better.
    But by deepening the study you also broaden your appreciation.



    >>>As for you saying God loves you no matter what, that is not in the Bible.<<<
    You are right that is the simplist way to say it.
    I am using this scripture:
    Matthew 5:43-48, Jesus says God is perfect in his love for enemies.
    It is the same thing you are saying but in a different way.
    God does love everyone as a person, but his love is tempered by his justice.
    He hates the things wicked people do, not the person.
    As the Great Judge, he judges those things, that is why obedience is important.
    Sometimes justice will demand vengeance or the person cannot remain in his love.



    >>>God loves His creation and good happens to the wicked too, except God does not even know you and love you personally unless you love Him.<<<
    Excellent scriptures!
    Yes, there is a criterion to stay in God's love.
    But he loves you first.
    1 John 4:19 - "We love because He first loved us."
    God gives love to people without their knowledge of it.
    It is not just a little, wicked people wake up, breathe, feel the sun, eat, see, taste, etc. They are all manifestations of God's love and undeserved kindness.
    Out of appreciation we should recognized his love and reciprocate by being obedient to his requirements.
    But you are right we must love God to remain in his love.
    GnosticChristian
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited May 5
    @Sand


    Well, God loving us first is about ‘us’ in general and not about us individually, because He says He loves those who love Him, and that is done by obeying Him.

    So God loving ‘us’ first must be about God loving us in general and is about God loving His creation.

    As for what you were saying about love, it sure is a deep discussion isn’t it?  I am glad to be able to discuss this more intently. 

    As you can see I use the screen name TrueLove, so maybe I should contemplate more why I chose that name and what I think it means.

    Jesus says even the wicked love their own, and that they lend to their own; but then Jesus tells us how to love to where it is more difficult, to where we will be rewarded.  So we have to learn to love all the time.  I think it makes the love a person has to be perfect, to be true love through and through.

    Sand
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SandSand 288 Pts   -  
    Well said.
    TrueLove
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Sand said:
    Well said.
    Thank you, Sand.

    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • SwolliwSwolliw 807 Pts   -  
    @TrueLove
    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.

    Still deliberately sidetracking my post, are you not?
    I said: How dare Christians hijack the meaning of a perfectly legitimate word and use it as a metaphor to describe the imaginary existence of one of the most revoltingly cruel, ruthless, murderous uncompassionate characters ever devised.
    Your answer, following a personal attack and two diversions, is now..........

    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.

    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.
    I have proven that such a statement is false, hollow and contrary with the statement you habitually avoid.

    After three deceptive attempts at avoiding the issue let's just agree that my argument is sound and stands.
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @TrueLove
    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.

    Still deliberately sidetracking my post, are you not?
    I said: How dare Christians hijack the meaning of a perfectly legitimate word and use it as a metaphor to describe the imaginary existence of one of the most revoltingly cruel, ruthless, murderous uncompassionate characters ever devised.
    Your answer, following a personal attack and two diversions, is now..........

    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.

    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.
    I have proven that such a statement is false, hollow and contrary with the statement you habitually avoid.

    After three deceptive attempts at avoiding the issue let's just agree that my argument is sound and stands.
    You haven't disproved anything I said.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -   edited September 2020
    TrueLove said:
    TrueLove said:
    Kind of funny how humans can get a parrot to talk, but according to you God can't do whatever He wants.

    Yes. I can do whatever I want.

    You cannot.

    That is the difference between the fittest and the less fit.

    You go ahead and believe in real talking serpents and donkeys, --- as those in mythos land believe, thanks to the foolish literal reading of myths.

    I will stick to logos.

    Regards
    DL


  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -   edited September 2020
    TrueLove said:
    Swolliw said:
    @TrueLove
    You did not reply to that but only ranted on about whatever.

    I did reply and, by the same token, I could (and quite justifiably so) say that you "only ranted on about whatever". 
    Now, are you going to address the points raised in my post or are you going to continue to come up with diversions?
    Or, simply concede that what I said is perfectly valid?
    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.

    A son's love for his father, who is so incompetent that he thinks punishing the innocent instead of the guilty is a good form of justice, along with genocide of course, iss a greater love.

    Jesus loved his father more than justice and holiness and sinned for him.

    A fathers love, except in Yahweh's case, is also a greater love.

    You do not seem to know much of your avatars ways.

    Regards
    DL

  • Sand

    Jesus indicated that reciprocity was a key element to the perfection of love.

    Note how little a supernatural god loves us as he returns nothing for all the attention and resources given ti him, even as millions starve to death.

    God is not pleased with man's type of love.

    Regards
    DL
  • T L

    Are we less or more to Yahweh, than a neighbor, when he uses genocide on us?

    Does love use genocide? I do not think so so do not call Yahweh Love.

    Poor judgement that.

    Regards
    DL


  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    TrueLove said:
    TrueLove said:
    Kind of funny how humans can get a parrot to talk, but according to you God can't do whatever He wants.

    Yes. I can do whatever I want.

    You cannot.

    That is the difference between the fittest and the less fit.

    You go ahead and believe in real talking serpents and donkeys, --- as those in mythos land believe, thanks to the foolish literal reading of myths.

    I will stick to logos.

    Regards
    DL


    The point is, you haven't disproved anything that I said.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -  
    TrueLove said:
    Swolliw said:
    @TrueLove
    You did not reply to that but only ranted on about whatever.

    I did reply and, by the same token, I could (and quite justifiably so) say that you "only ranted on about whatever". 
    Now, are you going to address the points raised in my post or are you going to continue to come up with diversions?
    Or, simply concede that what I said is perfectly valid?
    The Bible says God is love, and that there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    You would have to prove that is false and that there is a greater love than that.

    A son's love for his father, who is so incompetent that he thinks punishing the innocent instead of the guilty is a good form of justice, along with genocide of course, iss a greater love.

    Jesus loved his father more than justice and holiness and sinned for him.

    A fathers love, except in Yahweh's case, is also a greater love.

    You do not seem to know much of your avatars ways.

    Regards
    DL

    Jesus says there is no greater love than one who lays down his life for his friends.

    You have not disproved that.
    GnosticChristian
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited September 2020
    T L

    Are we less or more to Yahweh, than a neighbor, when he uses genocide on us?

    Does love use genocide? I do not think so so do not call Yahweh Love.

    Poor judgement that.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the one who gives life, and He is the one who can take it away, and give it back again.
    GnosticChristian
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • TrueLove said:
    TrueLove said:
    TrueLove said:
    Kind of funny how humans can get a parrot to talk, but according to you God can't do whatever He wants.

    Yes. I can do whatever I want.

    You cannot.

    That is the difference between the fittest and the less fit.

    You go ahead and believe in real talking serpents and donkeys, --- as those in mythos land believe, thanks to the foolish literal reading of myths.

    I will stick to logos.

    Regards
    DL


    The point is, you haven't disproved anything that I said.
    I cannot disprove a logical fallacy.

    Thanks for shedding yourself of the onus that belongs to you and trying to put on me.

    How old are you, child?

    I have a bigger one than you and know how to use it better. Prove me wrong.

    Regards
    DL

  • TrueLove said:
    T L

    Are we less or more to Yahweh, than a neighbor, when he uses genocide on us?

    Does love use genocide? I do not think so so do not call Yahweh Love.

    Poor judgement that.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the one who gives life, and He is the one who can take it away, and give it back again.
    Faith based garbage.

    Lets see your moral sense.

    Tell us, who is more likely to use genocide and kill instead of cure? Yahweh or Satan?

    If you cannot answer that, you are a moral coward and that is why you promote a genocidal god.

    Regards
    DL
  • TrueLoveTrueLove 189 Pts   -   edited September 2020
    TrueLove said:
    T L

    Are we less or more to Yahweh, than a neighbor, when he uses genocide on us?

    Does love use genocide? I do not think so so do not call Yahweh Love.

    Poor judgement that.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the one who gives life, and He is the one who can take it away, and give it back again.
    Faith based garbage.

    Lets see your moral sense.

    Tell us, who is more likely to use genocide and kill instead of cure? Yahweh or Satan?

    If you cannot answer that, you are a moral coward and that is why you promote a genocidal god.

    Regards
    DL
    God is the one who gives life and in the end is going to raise some to eternal life.
    GnosticChristian
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
  • markemarke 368 Pts   -  
    @GnosticChristian

    Modern rebels against God prove they hate God by publicly blaspheming His Holy Name.
    TrueLove
  • GnosticChristianGnosticChristian 201 Pts   -   edited September 2020
    TrueLove said:
    TrueLove said:
    T L

    Are we less or more to Yahweh, than a neighbor, when he uses genocide on us?

    Does love use genocide? I do not think so so do not call Yahweh Love.

    Poor judgement that.

    Regards
    DL


    God is the one who gives life, and He is the one who can take it away, and give it back again.
    Faith based garbage.

    Lets see your moral sense.

    Tell us, who is more likely to use genocide and kill instead of cure? Yahweh or Satan?

    If you cannot answer that, you are a moral coward and that is why you promote a genocidal god.

    Regards
    DL
    God is the one who gives life and in the end is going to raise some to eternal life.
    Yahweh's wrath cannot be arbitrary my friend.

    It is skewed the wrong way.

    It is arbitrarily against human souls..

    Scriptures are clear. The vast majority of us do not get to heaven.

    It seems that Yahweh only wants those who are happy with his incompetence, which he hides with genocides. It is a good thing he is fiction.

    It is demonstrable that nature creates for our best possible end.

    Yahweh's level of incompetence is beneath contempt and nature.

    Regards
    DL
  • marke said:
    @GnosticChristian

    Modern rebels against God prove they hate God by publicly blaspheming His Holy Name.
    Modern god religion liars prove they love Yahweh by promoting his fascist ideology of genocide, homophobia and misoganieny.

    You do know that holy is a label ones gives. It cannot be taken on by ones self. Right?

    If you think you want to listen to the fascist genocidal lovers and call the prick of a god they follow holy, then you bar on holyness is way to low my friend.

    The only holy Yahweh is is holy 
    Regards
    DL 
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