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Did God create ex nihilio?

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Theological creationism question posited on FB: “So where did god get the raw materials to create the whole universe, since in the beginning there was nothing????”

Christian response,

Ex nihilo (out of nothing) concerning the origin of our Universe is incorrect. The Holy Spirit has told you that God the Father commissioned the Son, Jesus Christ (John 3:35), to take elements from the unseen Spiritual Realm and fashion those elements into matter that can be apprehended by life constrained by Time and physics (Hebrews 11:3; John 1; Genesis 1; Colossians 1). Jesus Christ, in unison with the Father (Elohim) the Spirit (Genesis 1:2), created the Heavens, the Earth and all that is within them in six-literal 24-hour days and He did so for cause with rapidity. This is why mankind will NEVER define origin of matter because all that we see and apprehend with our senses finds its origin in the unseen Spiritual Realm, a Realm that is more "real," tangible, interactive, infinitely more complex than the temporary realm of Time (Ecclesiastes 3:11).

Jesus testifies that His Kingdom is NOT of this realm,

33 Therefore Pilate entered again into the Praetorium, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” 34 Jesus answered, “Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?” 35 Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?” 36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” 37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.” 38 Pilate *said to Him, “What is truth?” John 18:33-38 (NASB)

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  • ferrisaf1ferrisaf1 28 Pts   -  
    Are you saying that God created using material from a different realm? 

    I accept ex nihilo creation - God doesn't need materials in order to create, as demonstrated in many of his miracles. Feeding the 5 and 4 thousand, turning water into wine, the oil and flour not running out (Old Testament), even Jesus' conception without a physical father all imply some sort of ex nihilo creation. If Jesus could do these things during his earthly ministry, why shouldn't we expect that he did it at the beginning of time as well? 

    On a second layer, if you say that God took materials from the heavenly realm, which I do not think is true, then I would still ask whether God created Heaven as well. There are plenty of evidences that God created Heaven AND Earth (Genesis 1:1, for example).
  • RickeyDRickeyD 901 Pts   -  
    @ferrisaf1 ; I did not say that God "needed" materials to create but that He used same; therefore, ex nihilo is incorrect.

    5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man's eyes with the mud 7 and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing. John 9:5-7 (ESV)

    God created the Heavens and the Earth.

  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 5327 Pts   -   edited October 2020
    Other spiritual realm?


    So then, where did the spiritual realm get its "stuff"?
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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