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Should America go by the popular Vote or the electoral vote?
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By JaimieB836JaimieB836 4 Pts edited December 2016
What do you think?
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  • Both are flawed. Nether.
    anonymousdebaterFascism
  • I believe that Americans should the Electioral vote due to it being a better voting system.
    anonymousdebater
  • melef In my debate "Is the US governments presidential voting system bad?" I list many problems with the Electoral voting system.

    Pogue
  • No democratic voting system works, in the UK it's a first past the post method which means the winning party could get 40%, and the others could be 30% and 30%. So although the majority of voters did NOT vote for the winning party they still become the leaders. Doesn't make any sense.
  • Schnuupi In the USA current system you only need 25% of the votes and your opponent can have 75% and you could still win. Wait technically the representatives can vote against the interest of the people in their state so even less is required.
    Pogue
  • The sad thing is that no voting system is perfect thanks to the voting paradox. :(
  • The electoral vote should be used due to it having votes based on States.
  • PoguePogue 507 Pts
    From the two choses, I would choose the popular vote, but not first past the post.
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • I'd say electoral vote; just because someone's popular, doesn't mean they're good. Look at Lil Pump for god's sake.
  • PoguePogue 507 Pts
    @K0B1
    But they can go against the will of the people. That is not a democracy. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Pogue said:
    @K0B1
    But they can go against the will of the people. That is not a democracy. 
    You are correct; this is NOT a democracy, the US was founded as a constitutional republic.
  • PoguePogue 507 Pts
    @CYDdharta
    I have explained this to you before. A republic is a democracy. It is not a direct democracy. It is a representative democracy. 
    Republic- a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
    Democracy- a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
    Representative Democracy- Representative democracy (also indirect democracy, a representative republic or psephocracy) is a type of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
    http://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/13690#Comment_13690
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Pogue said:
    @CYDdharta
    I have explained this to you before. A republic is a democracy. It is not a direct democracy. It is a representative democracy. 
    Republic- a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
    Democracy- a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
    Representative Democracy- Representative democracy (also indirect democracy, a representative republic or psephocracy) is a type of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
    http://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/13690#Comment_13690
    ...and the electoral college is the method that has been chosen to represent our democracy.  Our elections were NEVER meant to be determined by strict popular vote
  • PoguePogue 507 Pts
    edited February 13
    @CYDdharta
    It was formed because of low interconnectivity. It was very hard and long to travel. It has failed many times in representing the people. 22% of the population can elect the president. 
    http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/07/why-the-founders-created-the-electoral-college/ ;
    http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 647 Pts
    edited February 13
    Pogue said:
    @CYDdharta
    It was formed because of low interconnectivity. It was very hard and long to travel. It has failed many times in representing the people. 22% of the population can elect the president. 
    http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/07/why-the-founders-created-the-electoral-college/ ;
    http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/
    No, it was formed to give less populated states a voice in presidential elections that wouldn't be completely drowned out by higher populated states. 

    Contrary to modern perceptions, the founding generation did not intend to create a direct democracy. To the contrary, the Founders deliberately created a republic -- or, arguably, a republican democracy -- that would incorporate a spirit of compromise and deliberation into decision-making. Such a form of government, the Founders believed, would allow them to achieve two potentially conflicting objectives: avoiding the "tyranny of the majority" inherent in pure democratic systems, while allowing the "sense of the people" to be reflected in the new American government.27 Moreover, a republican government, organized on federalist principles, would allow the delegates to achieve the most difficult of their tasks: enabling large and small sovereign states to live peacefully alongside each other.

    https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/report/the-electoral-college-enlightened-democracy

    http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/07/why-the-founders-created-the-electoral-college/

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/12/06/why_we_need_the_electoral_college_132499.html

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