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Is time an illusion?

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This question have really bothered the minds of many including me too lol.
Well, I have searched on internet, read in magazines but till date I had not got relevant clarity about this answer.

While two most believed theory is considering time as fourth dimension or it is illusion.

Lets think about this question more.Feel free to share the information from your sources or perspective.

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  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    according to some theories of quantum mechanics, time , or what we call time; actually happens all at once; past, present, and future, all at the same time and it is only our perspective to it that decides where we are in relation to it. A poor anology would be a giant aquarium filled with water.  The water is time. The  scatter a handful of pebbles into the water, they are humans and it is the position of the pebbles that decides their perspective and how they perceive time@Thor
    Thor
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @maxx

    Well at some points in your answer I can’t decide whether you are more leaned towards illusion point or fourth dimension point.please give some light on this confusion.

    Well this analogy seems to be confusing coz if it is a position of humans that decides their perspective and how they perceive time then exactly which position you are talking about and perceiving time is no different thing that it would depend on perspectives, everyone live in present, remember past, and predicts about future there is no contradiction in this fact.

    But one theory is like ,we obviously live in a box (3 dimensional) similarly like ants live in 2 dimensions we too live in 3 dimensions, where we are unable to see 4th dimension coz we already live in a box where our senses could not perceive more dimension, but how would I say this fourth dimension as time?

    Peace
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    John_C_87Thor
  • Yes. Time is an illusion. It is mathematically created by the use of theorem.

    Time would be multi-dimensional as the direction of dimension themselves are not fixed. The creation of areas under measurement are created by precise proportion mathematics. The math that achieves this objective has alluded the person working towards an understanding of time. The result is time will remain an allusion for it looks like it is bound by movements.

    ThorxlJ_dolphin_473
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @maxx
    Well, it is very interesting and convincing theory!

    Peace
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87
    Which theorem?please prove that theorem here if it is possible? 

    How direction matters here?...Time is a scalar quantity!!!

    Peace
    John_C_87
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    imagine a stream. Now that stream is time and seems to be flowing.  It is. However the stream is also one unit. So we also have time(the stream) as all at once@Thor
    Thor
  •  How direction matters here?...

    The clock was designed to work with a nautical compass North and South, the sundial is only part of a compass that is equated to duration said to be time. where both are on an area that is round the horizon is an arc, and a horizon artificial or real plus right angle is required to calculate time. A couple of mirrors, a plumbob, and a telescope are also required for calculating time. Any expansion of an arc can only accommodate a limited distance of length by the formation of a circle. Like irrational decimals, the values of distance the circle form by connecting the arc then become repetitive, repeat over, and over again.

    please prove that theorem here if it is possible?
    It might take a few day's I need to rewrite it and compare it with other notes.

    Time is a scalar quantity!!!
    I would describe time as natural numbers, not real numbers, and in its most well-known dimensions as on the clock time as measured on a click cannot be associated with decimals like any real number without creating a post decimal infraction in the dimension of the theorem. Values of all decimal values take place at a different ratio of values the 12:  60: 60.

    Rights Reserved.

  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -   edited November 16
    @maxx

    Okay let me retrace it...

    Okay frame of reference is we, here for stream.

    Now stream is moving forward (time) and let us consider for that instant of time we are assuming that we are on particular point of stream or present but as soon as we would change our reference of seeing that point would be past...and new point of observation again for instant of time would be our present...thus our reference of sense and flow of time is somewhere cohesive and thus this theory you mentioned is quite convincing as I said.

    Peace
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87

    The clock was designed to work with a nautical compass North and South, the sundial is only part of a compass that is equated to duration said to be time. where both are on an area that is round the horizon is an arc, and a horizon artificial or real plus right angle is required to calculate time. A couple of mirrors, a plumbob, and a telescope are also required for calculating time. Any expansion of an arc can only accommodate a limited distance of length by the formation of a circle. Like irrational decimals, the values of distance the circle form by connecting the arc then become repetitive, repeat over, and over again...

    No sorry this is irrelevant point, we are not studying clock (or explain me how clock as physical thing is relevant in discussion of non physical thing).

    I would describe time as natural numbers, not real numbers...

    yes it is same thing as saying time as scalar.As scalar quantity is which only have magnitude and thus natural numbers satisfy it.
    Thus according to our present understanding we should only include natural numbers not real numbers.


    It might take a few day's I need to rewrite it and compare it with other notes...

    okay no worries. :)

    Huh ,what is rights reserved?

    Peace
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -   edited November 16
    sort of.  It depends on where we are in the stream/water that decides where we are in relation to the past or future, yet the stream/water is all time at once.  an easier way to imagine it.  Blow up a ballon; that is time. Draw a dot on the ballon; that is where you are at in time, yet the ballon is all time, past, present and future at once.@Thor
    Thor
  • yes it is same thing as saying time as scalar.As scalar quantity is which only have magnitude and thus natural numbers satisfy it.
    Thus according to our present understanding we should only include natural numbers not real numbers.

    No, it is not the same thing as scalar time can be made into real numbers only by destroying the precise ratio.

    No sorry this is irrelevant point, we are not studying clock

    Correct we are not studying the clock the clock is what measures time. A question why does the time shift dimension mathematically there is only one answer?

    Physics confuses what math describes as time theorem with what mathematics would consider being Energy, Matter, Mass, Recurrence and forecasting for plotting and navigating courses to travel. Time is a tool a navigator uses or would use to navigate the Earth in place of G.P.S. A computer does not keep time, the atomic clock does not keep time. There are literally as many and more dimensions of time as there are stars in the sky.

    Huh ,what is rights reserved?

    It means I am maintaining the status of new and original writings for certain mathematical principles that are introduced and if you repeat them you should cite the name John_C_87 as a source.

  • @maxx
    sort of.  It depends on where we are in the stream/water that decides where we are in relation to the past or future, yet the stream/water is all time at once.  an easier way to imagine it.
    We are not really talking about a time when in the context of future and past and any duration in between or past and will be. You E.M.M.O.R to the future or past then establish time. Time is already waiting at your destination of E.M.M.O.R. It is not connected to the process of E.M.M.O.R.
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -   edited November 17
    actually i am refering to the spatial relation to time itself; for it exists independently of life forms. Time does not rely on our idea of it and  "without any linear action or any sequence of events"; time would still exist as a whole unit and independently of anything else@John_C_87
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87
    No, it is not the same thing as scalar time can be made into real numbers only by destroying the precise ratio...

    Yes sorry I meant only positive real numbers could be included coz for ex we can’t say that -5 seconds have passed.Yes yes sorry scalar and natural numbers are not same coz we can illustrate it by not using natural numbers too.

    Correct we are not studying the clock the clock is what measures time. A question why does the time shift dimension mathematically there is only one answer?

    Physics confuses what math describes as time theorem with what mathematics would consider being Energy, Matter, Mass, Recurrence and forecasting for plotting and navigating courses to travel. Time is a tool a navigator uses or would use to navigate the Earth in place of G.P.S. A computer does not keep time, the atomic clock does not keep time. There are literally as many and more dimensions of time as there are stars in the sky...

    well how would mathematics get confused by physics, here physics and mathematics both are needed.And as it is an illusion as according to you, then it is also related to vibrations in our mind, so physics is not confusing anything. 

    Well time is not simple imo as you are sounding just as tool to navigate.Yes many dimensions are possible.

    It means I am maintaining the status of new and original writings for certain mathematical principles that are introduced and if you repeat them you should cite the name John_C_87 as a source...

    Yeah definitely, but I am not responsible for the violation of your rights by any third person. 

    Peace

  • well how would mathematics get confused by physics,

    When moving from past history to a possible future event we are transported between two different areas of space which have different quantities and arrangements of energy, matter, and mass the new positions we move to and from will either be a recreation of a past arrangement of energy, matter, and mass or a future prediction of the same. In short, so-called physics writing is just a story told by a person who studies physics is plagiarizing the theorem of mathematic time, as it alone created the credibility by use of the time zone in legitimate time travel supported by truth, not the speculative. The future and past motions predicted for a very popular and profitable entertainment topic. 

    Well time is not simple imo as you are sounding just as tool to navigate.

    Time is a math principle that creates the lines of longitude. A sun-dial forms a term for the duration by long-term seasonal changes in the weather also often called time. They are two mathematic theorems not one and are placed one on top of the other they are not merged as one theorem.

    Yes many dimensions are possible.
    Not possible they are fact. Why does the time mathematic theorem create dimension? There is only one reason the process takes place and the principles of mathematic space do not share all of the same reasons. This is the basic idea that keeps space and time as different definitions. Einstein cites something mathematically that does not exist spacetime, space, and time exist.
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87

    When moving from past history to a possible future event we are transported between two different areas of space which have different quantities and arrangements of energy, matter, and mass the new positions we move to and from will either be a recreation of a past arrangement of energy, matter, and mass or a future prediction of the same. In short, so-called physics writing is just a story told by a person who studies physics is plagiarizing the theorem of mathematic time, as it alone created the credibility by use of the time zone in legitimate time travel supported by truth, not the speculative. The future and past motions predicted for a very popular and profitable entertainment topic...

    What.Two different areas?

    Well, How two different quantities?

    Well what recreation, if you are linking energy and mass then please remember law of conservation of energy and mass.

    Well use of plagiarism is very funny lol coz if you don’t know then Physics can’t work without mathematics and laws of nature can’t be explained without physics but indeed mathematics is backbone but use of plagiarism with physics and mathematics is very funny and wrong.

    Well, if I am not wrong then you are talking about time travel? (Entertainment sentence)if yes then though I agree that it had became a purpose of entertainment and profit but it is something which is quite intriguing topic!


    Time is a math principle that creates the lines of longitude. A sun-dial forms a term for the duration by long-term seasonal changes in the weather also often called time. They are two mathematic theorems not one and are placed one on top of the other they are not merged as one theorem...

    Well sometimes time seems to be just an illusion of mind because of earths rotation but it is not simple as it sounds coz Big Bang theory too needs time so time is something very wholly concept or reality or illusion.

    Not possible they are fact. Why does the time mathematic theorem create dimension? There is only one reason the process takes place and the principles of mathematic space do not share all of the same reasons. This is the basic idea that keeps space and time as different definitions. Einstein cites something mathematically that does not exist spacetime, space, and time exist...

    Which same reasons?

    Well, yes but they are same things from both mathematical point of view and physics point of view coz if you are saying “space” it means 3 dimension now in physics it is also 3 dimension only.Well please stop contradicting physics and mathematics it is major fallacy we are discussing on!

    Well, it is possible that it doesn’t exist or we are only using it for a reference but at a times as we move towards the speed of light time starts slowing down, now how will you say that Einstein has only cited things mathematically with their no existence in reality?

    Peace
  • @Thor

    What.Two different areas?

    What two areas past and predicted.

    Well, How two different quantities?

    Energy can only changes form.

     

    Well what recreation, if you are linking energy and mass then please remember law of conservation of energy and mass.

    Energy, matter, and mass are the physics of surroundings that change form, a form once had, is past. The form that will be, future, and finally the point of change from one to the other a form, the energy, matter, and mass in the instant of present. also said past as we do not keep up by movements in that direction.

    Well sometimes time seems to be just an illusion of mind because of the earths rotation but it is not simple as it sounds coz Big Bang theory too needs time so time is something very wholly concept or reality or illusion.

    Time is an illusion for a couple of reasons. The grandest of illusions is time creates a mathematic stillness as a starting a vector in space. The motions of a clock make a prediction while it records the time by movement is the deception. Forging the illusion.

    Which same reasons?

    Scale, time creates multiple dimensions mathematically as it is a ratio of the overall scale of space. We do not mathematically need six directions (+, - ) * ( X, Y, Z) to plot courses of motion, we just need mathematical three of those six directions. \

    Physics does not know how to calculate, using mathematics the second time dimensions held by space because of time.

    Well please stop contradicting physics and mathematics it is major fallacy we are discussing on!

    Its best to finishing work that has begun in mathematics even if it contradicts principles only dreamed of in physics.

    Well, it is possible that it doesn’t exist or we are only using it for a reference but at a times as we move towards the speed of light time starts slowing down, now how will you say that Einstein has only cited things mathematically with their no existence in reality?

    Our sun has time zones, and all stars also have time zones, all stars create light otherwise black hole or something other than a star. The velocity of light is only held constant so humanity can only travel a maximum of what a speed created by energy can propel matter or us. Supposedly. When there is no light in a vacuum the constant of lights motion is zero.


  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87

    Please elaborate the use of term “area” here coz area is the 2D quantity but you said time is multi dimensional, now ig you have started contradicting yourself only.

    Energy can only changes form...

    Yes ik that energy could show form as sound, light and so on but exactly which form of energy you are talking about?

    Time is an illusion for a couple of reasons. The grandest of illusions is time creates a mathematic stillness as a starting a vector in space. The motions of a clock make a prediction while it records the time by movement is the deception. Forging the illusion...

    Well, how is vector term associated with time here again, time is a scalar quantity!

    Well, clock point is to be noted.

    Scale, time creates multiple dimensions mathematically as it is a ratio of the overall scale of space. We do not mathematically need six directions (+, - ) * ( X, Y, Z) to plot courses of motion, we just need mathematical three of those six directions. \

    Physics does not know how to calculate, using mathematics the second time dimensions held by space because of time...

    U said earlier that mathematics create more dimensions for time now you are saying time creates more dimensions?

    Hmm yes I agree for that plotting point.

    lol again well, how would Physics know measuring, mathematics is a backbone of physics. And measuring is done by mathematics only.

    Lol nothing is dreamed in physics, theories are first verified by mathematics only then and then it is approved.well but time is a topic, where if we are discussing on science then we absolutely need cohesion from Physics and Mathematics both!

    Our sun has time zones, and all stars also have time zones, all stars create light otherwise black hole or something other than a star. The velocity of light is only held constant so humanity can only travel a maximum of what a speed created by energy can propel matter or us. Supposedly. When there is no light in a vacuum the constant of lights motion is zero...

    Which time zone?Well yes speed of light has specific importance coz it is not bothered by any matter (minimum friction) thus light (EM waves) travel at a constant speed i.e. approx 3 * 10 ^8 m/s.

    Constant of lights motion is zero? Please explain it.

    Peace

  • maxx said:
    actually i am refering to the spatial relation to time itself; for it exists independently of life forms. Time does not rely on our idea of it and  "without any linear action or any sequence of events"; time would still exist as a whole unit and independently of anything else@John_C_87
    The time that is recorded on a clock is a distance that is made from sections of line that wraps around the earth's equator, those sections are hours: minutes: seconds: lengths. It is measured from an arc that bends on the North end, South end, and arcing over the equator as a horizon. If no life was to calculate the time it would still exist it is just never mathematically synced or recorded. An illusion of time is that it moves.
  • Which time zone?Well yes speed of light has specific importance coz it is not bothered by any matter (minimum friction) thus light (EM waves) travel at a constant speed i.e. approx 3 * 10 ^8 m/s.

    Constant of lights motion is zero? Please explain it.

    The speed of light is to be said to be constant in a vacuum that does not occur in nature by physics. While mathematics describes the constant of light as a position where energy changes forms.

  • U said earlier that mathematics create more dimensions for time now you are saying time creates more dimensions?
    No, I have said that time is a mathematic theorem. When creating a mathematic object that does not move all other objects around it change scale when moving. So energy and scale can be used to calculate distance.
    Thor
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87

    While mathematics describes the constant of light as a position where energy changes forms...

    Well, if we plot speed vs time graph for light then it would always be constant (parallel to x-axis) no matter what and this is the same explanation given by physics.

    Well, energy changing forms umm how?Which forms you are talking about? :)


    No, I have said that time is a mathematic theorem. When creating a mathematic object that does not move all other objects around it change scale when moving. So energy and scale can be used to calculate distance...

    Well,It makes sense.

    Now please also consider clarifying your use of area term. :)

    Peace
  • @Thor

    Well, if we plot speed vs time graph for light then it would always be constant (parallel to x-axis) no matter what and this is the same explanation given by physics.

    In physics, light is created by energy that is changing form the greater the energy the greater the distance light may travel, as light travel lasting longer in any direction longer than the obstruction which changes its speed and destination.

    When plotting a course through a 3-D space on a chart that is of 2-D space. The traveling light moves from a source to observation through only vacuum, asserting time in the factor then means both vacuum force and energy level of light on the 2-D chart must remain constant for the light to have a constant speed.

    Well, energy changing forms umm how? Which forms you are talking about? When talking of a forecast or recreation of history or future as a past and will be we speak of all forms of energy, all forms of mass, all forms of matter. Time is not in this equation until the recurrence or prediction becomes simulated in a complete way.

    Now please also consider clarifying your use of area term. When plotting a course on paper there is the distance in a straight line between two points, there is an area the two points rest untouched by time the line between each other the chart does not arc like the equator. Time places them in the arc of the equator for the navigator.

    In physics:00.0 is said more accurate than :00 in math it is not it is less accurate the proportion of the ratio is fixed to be precise, so scale does not change. Until a change is made on the scale of ratio a decimal is not part of the ratio, thus meaning every new scale means new dimensions of time. The decimal a new ratio is only added inside the old original precise proportion. 60:10: 10: 10: 10: 10 etc. forever these new numbers 0-9 can be added with all three proportions of time making them no longer precise as a ratio together. Again the second is not moving it is only on an object that moves the scale of the round object can become larger and the second becomes larger with it and it is no longer (1: 1).


  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    of course.  Recording of time is an human idea on how time moves and does not reflect upon how time is a whole unit at once. We are only recoding a slice of time that we happen to have a perspective of. @John_C_87
  • maxx said:
    of course.  Recording of time is an human idea on how time moves and does not reflect upon how time is a whole unit at once. We are only recoding a slice of time that we happen to have a perspective of. @John_C_87
    So you are saying the use of theorem givers a person perspective regardless of if they know the theorem or not?
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -   edited November 18
    @John_C_87

    In physics, light is created by energy that is changing form the greater the energy the greater the distance light may travel, as light travel lasting longer in any direction longer than the obstruction which changes its speed and destination.

    When plotting a course through a 3-D space on a chart that is of 2-D space. The traveling light moves from a source to observation through only vacuum, asserting time in the factor then means both vacuum force and energy level of light on the 2-D chart must remain constant for the light to have a constant speed...

     light is not created by energy, light itself is an energy in form of electromagnetic radiation.

    Yes, correct light travels upto it is not obstructed.

    Vacuum force means?

    When talking of a forecast or recreation of history or future as a past and will be we speak of all forms of energy, all forms of mass, all forms of matter. Time is not in this equation until the recurrence or prediction becomes simulated in a complete way...

    Well simplify it more.

    When plotting a course on paper there is the distance in a straight line between two points, there is an area the two points rest untouched by time the line between each other the chart does not arc like the equator. Time places them in the arc of the equator for the navigator.

    In physics:00.0 is said more accurate than :00 in math it is not it is less accurate the proportion of the ratio is fixed to be precise, so scale does not change. Until a change is made on the scale of ratio a decimal is not part of the ratio, thus meaning every new scale means new dimensions of time. The decimal a new ratio is only added inside the old original precise proportion. 60:10: 10: 10: 10: 10 etc. forever these new numbers 0-9 can be added with all three proportions of time making them no longer precise as a ratio together. Again the second is not moving it is only on an object that moves the scale of the round object can become larger and the second becomes larger with it and it is no longer (1: 1)...

    Well, straight line is one dimensional then how you are linking it with area (2D quantity)?

    Do you mean round object as clock?

    I can’t understand your scale and adding new dimension point.

    Peace 

  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    no, i am simply saying time exists all at once; tjhere is no past, present or future, it is just time and we only think there are different aspects to time because we only happen to be in one spot of it. Time has no past or future as we think of such; The closest link i could give you would be on the block theory, yet the idea is different. Take a paper cup in which is us, and place it into a flowing stram, which is time. The cup flows along with time in one place of it, yet the stream is a whole unit of time.@John_C_87
  • @Thor

     light is not created by energy, light itself is an energy in form of electromagnetic radiation.

    Light is energy which has changed form the details of the change is not necessary.

    Well simplify it more.

    We don’t simplify it anymore, all three things must be changed to create an occurrence that replicates the action of the motion created like time changes when we simply move from a time-zone to different time zone or two.

    Vacuum force means?

    In a mathematical sense, it means a force is reacting on smaller/ large object in an overall larger scale greater then particles of much smaller proportion.

     

     

    Well, straight line is one dimensional then how you are linking it with area (2D quantity)?

    Time theorem, takes a sextant, magnetic compass, telescope, plumb bob, arc, horizon, and a velocity. When mix by a theorem the connection is then made giving the result of distance.

     

    . Do you mean round object as clock?   

    Realistically in calculation time round is a circle and can be reformulated with advanced geometry to also include a precise wave in ratio. No decimal point ever required end of the story. It is the wave that then predicts the line strength. Straight is a strength that can be said to be measured as it takes force to hold a line straight.


  • maxx said:
    no, i am simply saying time exists all at once; tjhere is no past, present or future, it is just time and we only think there are different aspects to time because we only happen to be in one spot of it. Time has no past or future as we think of such; The closest link i could give you would be on the block theory, yet the idea is different. Take a paper cup in which is us, and place it into a flowing stram, which is time. The cup flows along with time in one place of it, yet the stream is a whole unit of time.@John_C_87
    lol..... sorry for laughing. Got one better to prove your point. Take a colon and add two zeros, then after the zeros add another colon with two more zeros, finally add one last colon and two zeros. there we go one dimension of time. This is not a theory it is just math.
  • So how does a person explain Einstines mathematic problem with time to people who have so brilliantly appled it to all physics?
    They can just say. Hey! We can't use square law to synchronized time by scale Pi is not a mathematic ratio. Time is a mathematical ratio. Pi is a mathematic approximation that just happened to be Einstein's birthday what theorem will be written to fix that?.
    Thor
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -   edited November 18
    time is all one dieminsion, it has no true flow. Take away all objects in the universe, you would have no sequence of events, nothing to show motion, nothing to show past or future, yet you would still have time.   Time exists independently of any of our math, any motion, any sequence of events, and any of our observations. @John_C_87
    John_C_87
  • BonitaVanhooserBonitaVanhooser 113 Pts   -  
    If time is an illusion then could it be reverse back or what different theories say about time travel?

  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87

    Light is energy which has changed form the details of the change is not necessary...

    Well I said same thing, but simplifying your point it means source of light is not necessary to be accounted.

    We don’t simplify it anymore, all three things must be changed to create an occurrence that replicates the action of the motion created like time changes when we simply move from a time-zone to different time zone or two...

    Well it is irrelevant point coz mass can’t be changed it is constant or it does not show any form.But still idk that you are talking about ,the mass of what.

    In a mathematical sense, it means a force is reacting on smaller/ large object in an overall larger scale greater than particles of much smaller proportion...

    Well but which force you are talking about?

    Time theorem, takes a sextant, magnetic compass, telescope, plumb bob, arc, horizon, and a velocity. When mix by a theorem the connection is then made giving the result of distance...

    Well please explain your arrangement of apparatus?


    Realistically in calculation time round is a circle and can be reformulated with advanced geometry to also include a precise wave in ratio. No decimal point ever required end of the story. It is the wave that then predicts the line strength. Straight is a strength that can be said to be measured as it takes force to hold a line straight...

    Precise wave in ratio means?

    Well ur statement as straight is a strength ,well how it is related with time?

    Peace
    John_C_87
  • @maxx
    Take away all objects in the universe, you would have no sequence of events, nothing to show motion, nothing to show past or future, yet you would still have time.  
    Or we can just say there is no reason for time to be mathematically recorded.
  • @maxx
    Existence is
    independently of any of our math, any motion, any sequence of events, and any of our observations.
  •  

    Precise wave in ratio means?

    I hope you do not mind I'm going to push ahead a little bit by skipping things I feel you may not need to know to grasp what I am doing with numbers. 

    What does a precise ratio wave mean? No decimal numbers at all in a numerical value they are all-natural numbers, no frequency to be measured in hertz. The frequency, length of the wave, depth of the wave are to be measured by time, a radio wave can be measured by time in seconds, minutes, and hours. Time as theorem is multi-dimensional, and the radio wave is nothing more than an oscillating wave that by geometry can be equated to a circle or groups of circles. It can be calculated by theorem so it can be synchronized to the standard of symmetry in a mathematic theorem.

    In simple terms, time is a group of numbers created by the degrees of a circle to use in a ratio. The size of the circle will determine the size of the arcs it holds.

    Well please explain your arrangement of apparatus?

    The apparatus is what is used to establish the basis of the popular illusion Time flies like with all magic tricks.
    Thor
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    and again so is time; @John_C_87
  • Good thing you told me otherwise I might go on with the mathematical understanding that time is three points based on a precise scale to make three circles which can be then be used to find a point to start a fourth radius.
    I can argue it is not an illusion to you Maxx as there are many mathematic principles that allude us they just aren't all the same principles for every one person until they become complicated.
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -   edited November 19
    @John_C_87

    In simple terms, time is a group of numbers created by the degrees of a circle to use in a ratio. The size of the circle will determine the size of the arcs it holds...

    Well it is like , if I grab geometrical instruments and then I would end up making a clock as by precise arcs and angles.

    The apparatus is what is used to establish the basis of the popular illusion Time flies like with all magic tricks...

    yes, agreed.

    Peace
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
    @BonitaVanhooser

    Well, it is topic of another part of debate but not of now.

    Peace
  • airventheadairventhead 2 Pts   -  
    Time is not an illusion, but a construct. An illusion is something that is prone to being misconceived, which would describe time if it were actually "real" in a physical sense. Time was made up by a bunch of people way before any of us were born as a shorthand for referring to how degraded an object, or even the world, is. Everything is constantly being weathered down by bacteria, chemical processes and reactions, or even molecules in the air. Something new is likely to be in better condition than something old because it has less wear and tear put on it, hypothetically. Young, old, a few minutes ago, an hour, etc. All of these phrases may revolve around (pun intended) the day/night cycle, but that means nothing as to whether or not time exists outside human perception.
  • @airventhead

    Time answers the basic question. For all circles, there are many fixed positions which can be chosen as the start of the circle. How can we both find the same one? A linear path that oscillates back and forth only has two choices what theorem is to be used to find the start point? The direction of travel a speed takes place. Is it the accuracy of the speed important or simply the direction of travel important in finding a start? Sounds like evidence to base proof of misconception on. The test to establish this mathematic theorem is to draw a circumference the length of a line and have a person pick out the start and end of the line on the circumference. As there is now only one choice necessary to answer the question correctly. Is the location on the circumference any easier to find? Is mathematically locate a new location to label start and finish an easier way to quickly share this point?

    The second on an atomic clock is smaller in scale than a second on an analog clock. What is said to be a second on an atomic clock is really translated from a distance of 12 hours. Additional mathematics had been required to finish the process of proportional scale The geometric translation made with physics is inconsistent with those required for values to be a mathematical ratio.

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  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    once again, take away all objests in the universe; there is no linear movement and no sequence of events; however space-time will still exist .@John_C_87
  • maxx said:
    once again, take away all objests in the universe; there is no linear movement and no sequence of events; however space-time will still exist .@John_C_87
    True but space-time is simply mathematically negated by addressing the basic difference in math between a ratio and approximations. The goal we set out to erase is nothing more than a simple mathematical mistake, not only will what you state not work by admission, it is not realistically achievable as the first solution to a math issue which should be clear under all conditions.
  • RandomRandom 23 Pts   -  
    I sure hope time isn't an illusion
  • ThorThor 56 Pts   -  
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
  • Random said:
    I sure hope time isn't an illusion
    If you see time as a movement the motion is an illusion.
    D = S x T
    D - Distance
    S - Speed
    T - Time

    Speed multiplied by a distance gives the distance as a Boolean when returned as a sum. Time can also be synchronized with a precise ratio by other distances that will change lengths when held in the ration of numerals such as yard, foot, and inch.  (36:12:12) We would have 36 yards in a day, each yard then has 12 feet, and the 12 feet then have 12 inches. 

    It can be said that Christian Huygens stumbled into the new mathematic theorem of motion by accident. The calculation formulated the gain of energy equation to the force equal to that of a minute’s motion.

    Another illusion of a clock is it has only one way in which to be read correctly.


  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    you keep claiming time is a flow of events, and your math only shows such sequence. Time only flows for  us because we experience at one point. We measure time as a flow of events, true, but that is but a human perspective of it and your math is a human perspective of time. Sure it works, but only for us at the point of time we find oursef in, not time as a whole.@John_C_87
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