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What If Churches Stopped Bigotry?

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If religious institutions decided to stop preaching and supporting hatred towards minority groups or in fact, changed tack completely and condemned such unsavory behavior, how many followers would they have left?
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  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    That is the pot calling the kettle black. The definition of a bigot is a person who is intolerant of others opinions. All your posts show this definition, so does that not make you a bigot? Perhaps you should look up the defintion before you reply. @Swolliw
    Sonofason
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    if christians stopped being racist they would not be following the bible.@maxx
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    everyone has some bigotry in them, including yourself.  look up the definition.@mickyg
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    I don't have bigotry as part of of my daily mantra.
    I taught my children to be antiracist unlike christianity
    CHRISTIANITY IS THE WORST EVIL TO INFECT THIS PLANET
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -   edited November 21
    that statement alone shows bigotry.  Oh by the way there is a big difference  between a bigot and a  racist. @mickyg
    Sand
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    CHRISTIANITY IS THE MOST EVIL DISEASE TO INFECT OUR PLANET
    christians have been murdering jews for 1700 years,culminating with hitler..to appease world history the christian united nations voted to give arab land to the jews.....the jews have taken the deal to be quiet about the holocaust but the arabs are not happy..@maxx
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    first you are generalizing,  second  you are now showing bigotry@mickyg
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    306: The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews. 3,4

    337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.
     
    bullet    339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offense.
     
    bullet    343-381: The Laodicean Synod approved Cannon XXXVIII: "It is not lawful [for Christians] to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety." 5
     
    bullet    367 - 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.
     
    bullet    379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.
     
    bullet    380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as "an act pleasing to God."
     
    bullet    415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.
     
    bullet    415: St. Augustine wrote "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus."
     
    bullet    418: St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: "If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil's refuge, Satan's fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves."
     
    bullet    489 - 519: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.
    528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testify against Christians in court. 3
     
    bullet    535: The "Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians." 3
     
    bullet    538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Canon XXX decreed that "From the Thursday before Easter for four days, Jews may not appear in the company of Christians." 5 Marriages between Christians and Jews were prohibited. Christians were prohibited from converting to Judaism. 4
     
    bullet    561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.
    bullet    613: Very serious persecution began in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education

    bullet    692: Cannnon II of the Quinisext Council stated: "Let no one in the priestly order nor any layman eat the unleavened bread of the Jews, nor have any familiar intercourse with them, nor summon them in illness, nor receive medicines from them, nor bathe with them; but if anyone shall take in hand to do so, if he is a cleric, let him be deposed, but if a layman, let him be cut off." 5

    bullet    694: The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their alleged responsibility for the execution of Jesus. 5

    bullet    722: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.

    bullet    855: Jews were exiled from Italy.

    bullet    1050: The Synod of Narbonne prohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.

    bullet    1078: "Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians." 6

    bullet    1078: The Synod of Gerona forced Jews to pay church taxes.

    bullet    1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
    @maxx


  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.

    bullet    1121: Jews were exiled from Flanders (now part of present-day Belgium)

    bullet    1130: Some Jews in London allegedly killed a sick man. The Jewish people in the city were required to pay 1 million marks as compensation.

    bullet    1146: The Second Crusade began. A French Monk, Rudolf, called for the destruction of the Jews.

    bullet    1179: Canon 24 of the Third Lateran Council stated: "Jews should be slaves to Christians and at the same time treated kindly due of humanitarian considerations." Canon 26 stated that "the testimony of Christians against Jews is to be preferred in all causes where they use their own witnesses against Christians." 7

    bullet    1180: The French King of France, Philip Augustus, arbitrarily seized all Jewish property and expelled the Jews from the country. There was no legal justification for this action. They were allowed to sell all movable possessions, but their land and houses were stolen by the king.

    bullet    1189: Jews were persecuted in England. The Crown claimed all Jewish possessions. Most of their houses were burned.

    1205: Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ's death set free..."

    1215: The Fourth Lateran Council approved canon laws requiring that "Jews and Muslims shall wear a special dress." They also had to wear a badge in the form of a ring. This was to enable them to be easily distinguished from Christians. This practice later spread to other countries.
     
    bullet    1227:  The Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge. This requirement was reinstalled during the 1930's by Hitler, who changed the oval badge to a Star of David.

    1229: The Spanish inquisition starts. Later, in 1252, Pope Innocent IV authorizes the use of torture by the Inquisitors.
     
    bullet    1236: Pope Gregory ordered that church leaders in England, France, Portugal and Spain confiscate Jewish books on the first Saturday of Lent. 1
     
    bullet    1259: A "synod of the archdiocese in Mainz ordered Jews to wear yellow badges." 1
     
    bullet    1261: Duke Henry III of Brabant, Belgium, stated in his will that "Jews...must be expelled from Brabant and totally annihilated so that not a single one remains, except those who are willing to trade, like all other tradesmen, without money-lending and usury." 2
    267: The Synod of Vienna ordered Jews to wear horned hats. Thomas Aquinas said that Jews should live in perpetual servitude.
     
    bullet    1290: Jews are exiled from England. About 16,000 left the country.
     
    bullet    1298: Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria and Franconia. 140 Jewish communities were destroyed; more than 100,000 Jews were killed over a 6 month period.
     
    bullet    1306: 100,000 Jews are exiled from France. They left with only the clothes on their backs, and food for only one day.
     
    bullet    1320: 40,000 French shepherds went to Palestine on the Shepherd Crusade. On the way, 140 Jewish communities were destroyed.

    1321: In Guienne, France, Jews were accused of having incited criminals to poison wells. 5,000 Jews were burned alive, at the stake.
     
    bullet    1338: The councilors of Freiburg banned the performance of anti-Jewish scenes from the town's passion play because of the lethal bloody reactions against Jews which followed the performances. 9
     
    bullet    1347 +: The Black Death originated in the Far East. China, Mongolia, India, central Asia, and southern Russia have all been suggested as the source. 10 Mongol invaders brought it to Caffa in the Crimea (modern-day Fedodosiya). Defenders from the city later spread the disease throughout many Mediterranean ports. 11 Rats initially carried the Black Death; their fleas spread the disease from the rats to humans. As the plague worsened, the germs spread from human to human. In five years, the death toll had reached 25 million. In England, two centuries passed before its population levels recovered from the plague. People searched for someone to blame. They noted that a smaller percentage of Jews than Christians caught the disease. This was undoubtedly due to the Jewish sanitary and dietary laws, which had been preserved from Old Testament times. Rumors circulated that Satan was protecting the Jews and that they were paying back the Devil by poisoning wells used by Christians. The solution was to torture, murder and burn the Jews. "In Bavaria...12,000 Jews...perished; in the small town of Erfurt...3,000; Rue Brul©e...2,000 Jews; near Tours, an immense trench was dug, filled with blazing wood and in a single day 160 Jews were burned." 5 In Strausberg 2,000 Jews were burned. In Maintz 6,000 were killed...; in Worms 400..." 3
     
    bullet    1354: 12,000 Jews were executed in Toledo.
     
    bullet    1374: An epidemic of possession broke out in the lower Rhine region of what is now Germany. People were seen "dancing, jumping and [engaging in] wild raving." This was triggered by enthusiastic revels on St. John's Day - an Christianized version of an ancient Pagan seasonal day of celebration which was still observed by the populace. The epidemic spread throughout the Rhine and in much of the Netherlands and Germany. Crowds of 500 or more dancers would be overcome together. Exorcisms were tried, but failed. Pilgrimages to the shrine of St. Vitus were tried, but this only seemed to exacerbate the problem. Finally, the rumor spread that God was angry because Christians had been excessively tolerant towards the Jews. God had cursed Europe as He did Saul when he showed mercy towards God's enemies in the Old Testament. Jews "were plundered, tortured and murdered by tens of thousands." The epidemic finally burned itself out two centuries later, in the late 16th century. 4
     
    bullet    1391 : Jewish persecutions begin in Seville and in 70 other Jewish communities throughout Spain.
     
    bullet    1394 : Jews were exiled, for the second time, from France.
     
    bullet    1431 +: The Council of Basel "forbade Jews to go to universities, prohibited them from acting as agents in the conclusion of contracts between Christians, and required that they attend church sermons." 5
     
    bullet    1434: "Jewish men in Augsburg had to sew yellow buttons to their clothes. Across Europe, Jews were forced to wear a long undergarment, an overcoat with a yellow patch, bells and tall pointed yellow hats with a large button on them." 1
     
    bullet    1453 : The Franciscan monk, Capistrano, persuaded the King of Poland to terminate all Jewish civil rights.
     
    bullet    1478: Spanish Jews had been heavily persecuted from the 14th century. Many had converted to Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition was set up by the Church in order to detect insincere conversions. Laws were passed that prohibited the descendants of Jews or Muslims from attending university, joining religious orders, holding public office, or entering any of a long list of professions.
     
    bullet    1492 : Jews were given the choice of being baptized as Christians or be banished from Spain. 300,000 left Spain penniless. Many migrated to Turkey, where they found tolerance among the Muslims. Others converted to Christianity but often continued to practice Judaism in secret.
     
    bullet    1497: Jews were banished from Portugal. 20 thousand left the country rather than be baptized as Christians.
     
    bullet    1516: The Governor of the Republic of Venice decided that Jews would be permitted to live only in one area of the city. It was located in the South Girolamo parish and was called the "Ghetto Novo." This was the first ghetto in Europe. Hitler made use of the concept in the 1930's.@maxx
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    WAIT THERE IS MORE

    1523: Martin Luther distributed his essay "That Jesus Was Born a Jew. " He hoped that large numbers of Jews would convert to Christianity. They didn't, and he began to write and preach hatred against them. Luther has been condemned in recent years for being extremely antisemitic. The charge has some merit; however he was probably typical of most Christians during his era.
     
    bullet    1539: A passion play was forbidden in Rome because it prompted violent attacks against the city's Jewish residents. 9
     
    bullet    1540: Jews were exiled from Naples.

    1550: Jews were exiled from Genoa and Venice.
     
    bullet    1555-JUL-12: A Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum," required Jews to wear badges, and live in ghettos. They were not allowed to own property outside the ghetto. Living conditions were dreadful: over 3,000 people were forced to live in about 8 acres of land. Women had to wear a yellow veil or scarf; men had to wear a piece of yellow cloth on their hat. 8
     
    bullet    1582: Jews were expelled from Holland.
     
    bullet    1648-9: Chmielnicki Bogdan led an uprising against Polish rule in the Ukraine. The secondary goal of Bogdan and his followers was to exterminate all Jews in the country. The massacre began with the slaughter of about 6,000 Jews in Nemirov. Other major mass murders occurred in Tulchin, Polonnoye, Volhynia, Bar, Lvov, etc. Jewish records estimate that a total of 100,000 Jews were murdered and 300 communities destroyed.

        1806: A French Jesuit Priest, Abbe Barruel, had written a treatise blaming the Masonic Order for the French Revolution. He later issued a letter alleging that Jews, not the Masons were the guilty party. This triggered a belief in an international Jewish conspiracy in Germany, Poland and some other European countries later in the 19th century

    1819: During the late 18th and early 19th centuries, many European Jews lobbied their governments for emancipation. They sought citizenship as well as the same rights and treatment as were enjoyed by non-Jews. This appears to have provoked sporadic anti-semites to engage in anti-Jewish violence. The rioters cried "Hep! Hep!." The origin(s) of this cry are not clear. Jews and their property were attacked first in Wuerzburg, Germany during 1819-AUG. The rioting spread across Germany and eventually reached as far as Denmark and Poland. 1

    1840: A rumor spread in Syria that some Jews were responsible for the ritual killing of a Roman Catholic monk and his servant. As a result of horrendous treatment, some local Jews confessed to a crime that they did not commit. This "Damascus Affair" spurred early Zionist writers like Hess to promote the Zionist cause. 17More details.
     
    bullet    1846 - 1878: Pope Pius IX restored all of the previous restrictions against the Jews within the Vatican state. All Jews under Papal control were confined to Rome's ghetto - the last one in Europe until the Nazi era restored the church's practice. On 2000-SEP-3, Pope John Paul II beatified Pius IX; this is the last step before sainthood. He explained: "Beatifying a son of the church does not celebrate particular historic choices that he has made, but rather points him out for imitation and for veneration for his virtue."
     
    bullet    1858: Edgardo Mortara was kidnapped, at the age of six, from his Jewish family by Roman Catholic officials after they found out that a maid had secretly baptized him. He was not returned to his family but was raised a Catholic. He eventually became a priest.
     
    bullet    1873: The term "antisemitism" is first used in a pamphlet by Wilhelm Marr called "Jewry's Victory over Teutonism."
     
    1881: Alexander II of Russia was assassinated by radicals. The Jews were blamed. About 200 individual pogroms against the Jews followed. ("Pogrom" is a Russian word meaning "devastation" or "riot." In Russia, a pogrom was typically a mob riot against Jewish individuals, shops, homes or businesses. They were often supported and even organized by the government.) Thousands of Jews became homeless and impoverished. The few who were charged with offenses generally received very light sentences. 1
     
    bullet    1893: "...anti-Semitic parties won sixteen seats in the German Reichstag." 2
     
    bullet    1894: Captain Alfred Dreyfus, an officer on the French general staff, was convicted of treason. The evidence against him consisted of a piece of paper from his wastebasket with another person's handwriting, and papers forged by antisemitic officers. He received a life sentence on Devil's Island, off the coast of South America. The French government was aware that a Major Esterhazy was actually guilty. 3 The church, government and army united to suppress the truth. Writer Emile Zola and politician Jean Jaur? fought for justice and human rights. After 10 years, the French government fell and Drefus was declared totally innocent. The Dreyfus Affair was world-wide news for years. It motivated Journalist Theodor Herzl to write a book in 1896: "The Jewish State: A Modern Solution to the Jewish Question." The book led to the founding of the Zionist movement which fought for a Jewish Homeland. A half century later, the state of Israel was born.

    1903: At Easter, government agents organized an anti-Jewish pogrom in Kishinev, Moldova, Russia. The local newspaper published a series of inflammatory articles. A Christian child was discovered murdered and a young Christian woman at the Jewish Hospital committed suicide. Jews were blamed for the deaths. Violence ensured. The 5,000 soldiers in the town did nothing. When the smoke cleared, 49 Jews had been killed, 500 were injured; 700 homes looted and destroyed, 600 businesses and shops looted, 2,000 families left homeless. Later, it was discovered that the child had been murdered by its relatives and the suicide was unrelated to the Jews. 4
     
    bullet    1905: The Okhrana, the Russian secret police in the reign of Czar Nicholas II, converted an earlier antisemitic novel into a document called the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." 16 It was published privately in 1897. A Russian Orthodox priest, Sergius Nilus, published them publicly  in 1905. It was promoted as the record of "secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians." 5 The Protocols were used by the Okhrana in a propaganda campaign that was associated with massacres of the Jews. These were the Czarist Pogroms of 1905.

        1915: 600,000 Jews were forcibly moved from the western borders of Russia towards the interior. About 100,000 died of exposure or starvation.
     
    bullet    1917: "In the civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, the reactionary White Armies made extensive use of the Protocols to incite widespread slaughters of Jews." 5  Two hundred thousand Jews were murdered in the Ukraine alone.
     
    bullet    1920: The Protocols reach England and the United States. They are exposed as a forgery, but are widely circulated. Henry Ford sponsored a study of international activities of Jews. This led to a series of antisemitic articles in the Dearborn Independent, which were published in a book, "The International Jew." The Protocols were sold on Wal-Mart's online bookstore until they were removed on 2004-SEP-21.
     
    bullet    1920: The defeat of Germany in World War I and the continuing economic difficulties were blamed in that country on the "Jewish influence." One antisemitic poster has been preserved from that era. 6 It shows a German, presumably Christian woman, a male Jew with distorted facial features, a coffin and the word "Deutschland" (Germany).

    bullet    1920's, 1930's: Hitler had published in Mein Kampf in 1925, writing: "Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." The Protocols are used by the Nazis  to whip up public hatred of the Jews  in the 1930's. Widespread pogroms occur in Greece, Hungary, Mexico, Poland, Rumania, and the USSR. Radio programs by many conservative American clergy, both Roman Catholic and Protestant, frequently attacked Jews. Reverend Fr. Charles E Coughlin was one of the best known. "In the 1930's, radio audiences heard him rail against the threat of Jews to America's economy and defend Hitler's treatment of Jews as justified in the fight against communism." (12) Other conservative Christian leaders, such as Frank Norris and John Straton supported the Jews. 7
    Discrimination against Jews in North America is widespread. Many universities set limits on the maximum number of Jewish students that they would accept. Harvard accepted all students on the basis of merit until after World War I when the percentage of Jewish students approached 15%. At that time they installed an informal quota system. In 1941, Princeton had fewer than 2% Jews in their student body. Jews were routinely barred from country clubs, prestigious neighborhoods, etc. 8
     

    bullet    1933: Hitler took power in Germany. On APR-1, Julius Streicher organized a one-day boycott of all Jewish owned businesses in the country. This was the start of continuous oppression by the Nazis culminating in the Holocaust (a.k.a. Shoah). Jews "were barred from civil service, legal professions and universities, were not allowed to teach in schools and could not be editors of newspapers." 2 Two years later, Jews were no longer considered citizens.
     
    bullet    1934: Various laws were enacted in Germany to force Jews out of schools and professions.
     
    bullet    1935: The Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws restricting citizenship to those of "German or related blood." Jews became stateless.@maxx@maxx

  • SwolliwSwolliw 712 Pts   -  
    @mickyg
    if christians stopped being racist they would not be following the bible.

    Or rather, following the parts of the Bible that they choose.

  • SwolliwSwolliw 712 Pts   -  
    @maxx
    The definition of a bigot is a person who is intolerant of others opinions. All your posts show this definition

    Not one of my posts displays intolerance of others and in fact, I have stated in this forum that whilst I tolerate religion, for example, I have no respect for a system of beliefs that sets out to manipulate and control those who are weak and harbors anti-social views. Exposing the bigotry of others is not bigotry in itself.
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    none of your posts show any intolerance of beliefs of others??  You are lying through your teeth.  all your posts show that  . Each and every post yo throw out shows that.  @Swolliw
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    any monotheistic religion is inherently racist
    "chosen "@Swolliw
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    any monotheistic religion is inherently racist"chosen "@Swolliw @maxx
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    any monotheistic religion is inherently racist.

    "chosen "@Swolliw @maxx
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    if christians had evidence they would never use the words belief or faith. @maxx
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    i rest my case  you are a bigot @mickyg
  • SwolliwSwolliw 712 Pts   -  
    @mickyg
    if christians had evidence they would never use the words belief or faith.

    Exactly. And in such a case the words "belief" and "faith" are merely euphemisms for "delusion".
    Tell them that though and they won't have a bar of it and instead will break out in a deluded rage of denial.
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    your "case" that you rest is a grade 6 level hissy fit.
  • SwolliwSwolliw 712 Pts   -  
    @maxx
    i rest my case  you are a bigot 

    You haven't even made a case in the first place.

    Sitting on the sidelines and calling others bigots because of your sneering, sour view of the world is hardly making a case nor, contributing to reasonable argument for that matter.

  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    yes christians universally lack self awareness ...oh....and  comprehension skills. @Swolliw
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    its almost embarrassing to talk to these people.
    They have a primary school grasp of logic and reading.
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -   edited November 22
    that is exactly what you are doing.  You fit the classical definition of a bigot and your ego refuses believe it. Do i need to spell it out for you?  A bigot is one who is intolerant of other peoples beliefs.  you and mickey  are intolerant of the beliefs of religious people, therfore you are bigots.  Simple logic! @Swolliw
    Sand
  • SwolliwSwolliw 712 Pts   -  
    @maxx
    you and mickey  are intolerant of the beliefs of religious people, therfore you are bigots.  Simple logic!

    So, by your demented, twisted reckoning, someone who is intolerant of rape, murder, Nazism or holocaust denial is a bigot, is he?

    Furthermore, I have stated quite categorically on this page and many others in this forum that I tolerate religion.

    Now, if you don't accept that, tough titties for you but to continue making lying aspersions is nothing more than gutter talk for want of anything decent to say. Geeziz bleeding Kerrist, they certainly drum the hatred and bigotry into you at whatever brain-washing clinic (Church) that you go to. Do they also give you a bag of unripe lemons on Sunday to suck on for the rest of the week? Because it seems sounds like it.

  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    first you seem to have bigot and racist intertwined.  They are different. You claim you tolerate religion yet you call the people who believe in it delusional, rapists, and murderers and you ridicule the beliefs of others. That is not someone whom is tolerant of religion. How can you expect anyone to believe anything you state when you prove by your own posts that you are intolerant of christians yet put them down for their bigotry? Again, learn the difference between a bigot and a racist.@Swolliw
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    no, you seem totally incapable of a classic debate; you just want to use this site to rant and rave. How many post have you created that were not  related to religion? Do you know any science?  Apparently not, yet here you are of accusing me of aa low level grade mentality when you probably do not know the first thing about any of the sciences.@mickyg
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    nice plagerizing by the way.  next time cite your sorces.  dont you know anything?@mickyg
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    SO WHEN TRUMP STOPPED REFUGEES OF WAR FROM SYRIA YOU SPOKE UP AGAINST IT?? @maxx
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    i do not see where that question has anything to do with this post.  If you wish an answer(s) to that question, perhaps you should begin a debate upon it@mickyg
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    you wrote this>>>>>>>> A bigot is one who is intolerant of other peoples beliefs<<<<<<<<<<<<
    DID YOU SUPPORT TRUMPS BIGOTRY?
    OR ARE YOU JUST lacking in self awareness with your statement
    YOU ARE AFRAID TO EXPOSE YOURSELF RACIST ...@maxx
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    MY SOURCE IS world history....
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    That is not how it works.  If you got it out of a text book then you quote the author; If you got it off the internet, you quote the author where the site got its information, in which is normally at the bottam of the article.@mickyg
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    First you flat do not know much about me.  I do support trump nor did i support clinton.  I go by who i like and i did not like any of the two.  Second, for your information, racism is inherent in all humans and most primates. Why do you not gain some knowledge upon a subject before you attempt to talk about it?@mickyg
  • SonofasonSonofason 219 Pts   -  
    maxx said:
    That is the pot calling the kettle black. The definition of a bigot is a person who is intolerant of others opinions. All your posts show this definition, so does that not make you a bigot? Perhaps you should look up the defintion before you reply. @Swolliw
    That is exactly correct, that is absolutely the pot calling the kettle black, and he is therefore what he is.
  • SonofasonSonofason 219 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @maxx
    you and mickey  are intolerant of the beliefs of religious people, therfore you are bigots.  Simple logic!

    So, by your demented, twisted reckoning, someone who is intolerant of rape, murder, Nazism or holocaust denial is a bigot, is he?

    Furthermore, I have stated quite categorically on this page and many others in this forum that I tolerate religion.

    Now, if you don't accept that, tough titties for you but to continue making lying aspersions is nothing more than gutter talk for want of anything decent to say. Geeziz bleeding Kerrist, they certainly drum the hatred and bigotry into you at whatever brain-washing clinic (Church) that you go to. Do they also give you a bag of unripe lemons on Sunday to suck on for the rest of the week? Because it seems sounds like it.

    Blatant dishonesty in this post.  Atheists are not necessarily rapists.  Christians are not necessarily rapists.  Rapists are rapists.  Whatever else they might be is coincidental.  Do try to be more honest.
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    montheism started racism
    THE ROMAN EMPIRE HAD FREEDOM OF RELIGION  all gods were fine as long as you paid your taxes
    it is only with christianity that racism took control..@maxx
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    i did not ask who you voted for halfy
    i asked if you supported trumps racism and attacks on BELIEFS
    YOU SAID BIGOTRY WAS ATTACK ON BELIEFS
    OF Course not having self awareness you don't see the contradiction here..
    i think i can guess what you thought about dead babies washed up on shore.....@maxx
  • SonofasonSonofason 219 Pts   -  
    mickyg said:
    i did not ask who you voted for halfy
    i asked if you supported trumps racism and attacks on BELIEFS
    YOU SAID BIGOTRY WAS ATTACK ON BELIEFS
    OF Course not having self awareness you don't see the contradiction here..
    i think i can guess what you thought about dead babies washed up on shore.....@maxx
    The problem with this comment is that it includes a blatant lie.  Trump is not a racist.  He is less a racist than you are.  Please show evidence of Trump's racism.
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    there is lots of episodes where trump showed his racism........pro nazi remarks .....refusal to condemn KKK
    IF YOU don't see it you are a racist as well....
  • SonofasonSonofason 219 Pts   -  
    mickyg said:
    there is lots of episodes where trump showed his racism........pro nazi remarks .....refusal to condemn KKK
    IF YOU don't see it you are a racist as well....
    You saying so, doesn't make it so.  Please show evidence, or maintain your position in ignorance and dishonesty.
  • SonofasonSonofason 219 Pts   -  
    Trump never made pro nazi remarks, and he did condemn the KKK on numerous occasions

  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    no it did not.  racism began long before recorded history.@mickyg
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    TRUMP TALKED ABOUT making muslims wear patches and be registered
    EXACTLY how hitler wanted to mark jews
    hitler was fascist not socialist....@Sonofason
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
    no religion made racism policy until christianity.. @maxx
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    What does ones actions such as trumps have to do with any reply that i gave you?  A simple ruse in an attempt to change subjects?  I claim that you are just as much a bigot as those you claim to be and you bring up trump?  what an idealistic come-back. Dont show to others that you are intellectually incapacitated. @Sonofason
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
  • maxxmaxx 393 Pts   -  
    nope,,, i have read many of your posts and you call christians all sorts of vile innuendos. any one who takes time reading your posts know it is true.  @Sonofason
  • mickygmickyg 141 Pts   -  
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