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Is the Pope Gay?

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In a book entitled "In the Closet of the Vatican: Power, Homosexuality, Hypocrisy", French journalist Frederic Martel claims that 80 percent of Vatican priests are gay.

Given that his findings are correct, could it mean that:

 * There is an 80% chance that the Pope is gay?

 * That only 20% of Vatican clerics prey on little girls?



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  • SonofasonSonofason 216 Pts   -  
    Are you?
  • SwolliwSwolliw 709 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
    Are you?
    No, and if you have any ideas of cracking onto me, forget it.
  • SonofasonSonofason 216 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @Sonofason
    Are you?
    No, and if you have any ideas of cracking onto me, forget it.
    I'm just curious why you are asking the question.  Are you a bigot like me?  Do you believe homosexuals have a mental deficiency that should exclude them from the priesthood?  I sure do.  Do you believe that homosexuality is perhaps one of the most depraved human conditions on the entire planet?  I sure do.  

    I guess the real question I am asking is this.  Why are you asking the question "Is the Pope gay?".

  • SonofasonSonofason 216 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @Sonofason
    Are you?
    No, and if you have any ideas of cracking onto me, forget it.
    I'm just curious why you are asking the question.  Are you a bigot like me?  Do you believe homosexuals have a mental deficiency that should exclude them from the priesthood?  I sure do.  Do you believe that homosexuality is perhaps one of the most depraved human conditions on the entire planet?  I sure do.  

    I guess the real question I am asking is this.  Why are you asking the question "Is the Pope gay?".

  • PortiaRobertsPortiaRoberts 7 Pts   -  
    To fully reply I will start with, I am not catholic and not atheist.  I am a Christian who would like to begin with the fact that God hath labeled this type of activity an abomination.  Understanding is important; however, God has his reasons and I he would not say something without it.  Understanding that here is an example.  This is a 45 miles per hour or kilometers per hour speed limit and you cannot get out of the ticket by asking why.  I'm so sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   @Swolliw
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  • SwolliwSwolliw 709 Pts   -   edited November 23
    @Sonofason
    I'm just curious
    Yes well, that's how it all starts off, doesn't it? Next thing, you'll be trying on pantyhose and dresses.

    I guess the real question I am asking is this.  Why are you asking the question "Is the Pope gay?".

    I'm throwing it out there for you to comment, and hinting at the hypocrisy of an institution that shuns homosexuality, yet 80% of its members are (presumably) gay.


    Do you believe that homosexuality is perhaps one of the most depraved human conditions on the entire planet? 

    I think that homophobia is perhaps one of the most depraved conditions on the entire planet.

     You asked for that one.

  • SwolliwSwolliw 709 Pts   -   edited November 23
    @PortiaRoberts
    To fully reply I will start with, I am not catholic and not atheist.  I am a Christian who would like to begin with the fact that God hath labeled this type of activity an abomination. 

    There are many dictates in the Bible, yet do Christians follow them all? No.

    For example, in Leviticus (the same book that you quoted homosexuality as an abomination) it says not to wear clothes of mixed fabrics. Do you abide by that? Also, it is forbidden to harvest crops from the periphery of fields. Do you check the food you buy for this? Also, it is forbidden to cut your hair or shave one's beard. Do you go along with that? Presumably you are a female; do you agree to be locked in a room once a month and only come out when "clean"? There are many other rules in the Bible that I could also quote but "God has his reasons and I he would not say something without it."

    So, why would Christians follow one rule and not the others and, in this instance, the rule about homosexuality?

    Because Christians are homophobic, having an already inground hatred towards those in minority groups (e.g. homosexuals) and use the Bible (out of context) to justify their fear and hatred.


  • SonofasonSonofason 216 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @Sonofason
    I'm just curious
    Yes well, that's how it all starts off, doesn't it? Next thing, you'll be trying on pantyhose and dresses.

    I guess the real question I am asking is this.  Why are you asking the question "Is the Pope gay?".

    I'm throwing it out there for you to comment, and hinting at the hypocrisy of an institution that shuns homosexuality, yet 80% of its members are (presumably) gay.


    Do you believe that homosexuality is perhaps one of the most depraved human conditions on the entire planet? 

    I think that homophobia is perhaps one of the most depraved conditions on the entire planet.

     You asked for that one.

    You'll have to ask the Pope and the Catholic Church about that.  I'm not in the business of answering for other people.  But thankfully, the filth that is in the church has absolutely nothing at all to do with the Bible, and what is written in it.

    Well, I'm glad to see you have your priorities straight.



  • SwolliwSwolliw 709 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
     But thankfully, the filth that is in the church has absolutely nothing at all to do with the Bible

    Oh really? Let's start with:

    Genesis 19:5 "Three angels visited............." then we can move onto.....

    Judges 16:1 "Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her", Oh, and then there's.......

    Genesis 38:8 "....when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground..." and lest we forget....

    Ezekeil 23: "....they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity...."

    Judah 38:8-10:.....Let's talk about Onanism, shall we? ....Gotta hand it to ya......

    We can thank goodness that the filth in the Church is nowhere near as bad as the filth in the Bible.

  • SonofasonSonofason 216 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @Sonofason
     But thankfully, the filth that is in the church has absolutely nothing at all to do with the Bible

    Oh really? Let's start with:

    Genesis 19:5 "Three angels visited............." then we can move onto.....

    Judges 16:1 "Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her", Oh, and then there's.......

    Genesis 38:8 "....when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground..." and lest we forget....

    Ezekeil 23: "....they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity...."

    Judah 38:8-10:.....Let's talk about Onanism, shall we? ....Gotta hand it to ya......

    We can thank goodness that the filth in the Church is nowhere near as bad as the filth in the Bible.

    And these are nothing in comparison to the depravity of today's American culture.
  • SwolliwSwolliw 709 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
    And these are nothing in comparison to the depravity of today's American culture.

    And given that Americans have a reputation for being overwhelmingly religious and Christian (more so than any other western nation) is it any wonder where they get their ideas from?......violent video games, pornography, war and horror movies?......No siree; they get it all right here in this one book....the Bible.

  • SonofasonSonofason 216 Pts   -  
    Swolliw said:
    @Sonofason
    And these are nothing in comparison to the depravity of today's American culture.

    And given that Americans have a reputation for being overwhelmingly religious and Christian (more so than any other western nation) is it any wonder where they get their ideas from?......violent video games, pornography, war and horror movies?......No siree; they get it all right here in this one book....the Bible.

    Indeed, it seems you take the most sinful and condemned behaviors one can find in the Bible, then you engage in those behaviors, and then blame the very book that condemns it.  Bravo to you.
  • SwolliwSwolliw 709 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
    Indeed, it seems you take the most sinful and condemned behaviors one can find in the Bible

    That's right. Is there a point that you wish to make about it?

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