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xlJ_dolphin_473

You seem to have posted the debate twice. Anyway, I think that the government taking away our freedoms is a necessary evil to fight a deadly disease.

anarchist100

@xlJ_dolphin_473
And do you trust them to just give us our freedoms back after it's over? They won't work like that, if we don't control the government the government controls us.

Happy_Killbot

@anarchist100 ;
I would argue that forcing people to wear masks preserves freedoms rather than takes them away.

To put it simply, because the loss of freedom from forcing many people to wear masks is less than the loss of freedom from death, it is appropriate to force many people to wear masks.

Wearing a mask really isn't that big of a restriction on your life unless you psych yourself out by believing that it somehow restricts your breathing or O2 intake. (It doesn't)

Dying on the other hand, represents a total loss of all freedoms, real or perceived.

If you put a very high value on freedom, then you ought to support mask mandates.

anarchist100

@Happy_Killbot

anarchist100

@Happy_Killbot
It doesn't matter if how dangerous covid is, or that having to wear a mask is really not to hard, but if we don't control the government, the government controls us.

Happy_Killbot

@anarchist100 ;

It doesn't matter if how dangerous covid is, or that having to wear a mask is really not to hard, but if we don't control the government, the government controls us.

Cool, then lets control the government democratically....



And get the same result.

anarchist100

@Happy_Killbot
That's not how it works, we can elect politicians, but why should we trust them to not oppress us? Hitler was elected in a democracy.

Happy_Killbot

@anarchist100 ;

That's not how it works, we can elect politicians, but why should we trust them to not oppress us? Hitler was elected in a democracy.

If we had a direct democracy, then we would still get mask mandates.

Here, let's do this mathematically. If you were to put a value on freedom, how much would you consider absolute freedom to be worth?
What value (loss) would you place on being forced to wear a mask?

John_C_87

@Happy_Killbot

Here, let's do this mathematically. If you were to put a value on freedom, how much would you consider absolute freedom to be worth?
One word......Liberty.

Dee

I don't support the government taking away my freedoms

So you want the freedom to not wear a mask? So do you intend to isolate or do you want the freedom to roam without a mask? If  you do not want to wear a mask yet go about as normal you’re just a selfish p-r-i-c-k with no concern for the impact your decisions have on others , why do people like you call this a freedom?

anarchist100

@Dee
As I've said I don't mind wearing mask, but we've got to keep government control in check.

Starlord616

anarchist100 said:anarchist100 said:

@xlJ_dolphin_473
And do you trust them to just give us our freedoms back after it's over? They won't work like that, if we don't control the government the government controls us.

like its supposed to

anarchist100

@Starlord616
Do you favor dictatorship?

Starlord616

anarchist100 said:

@Starlord616
Do you favor dictatorship?

no. whether or not I agree with it I understand that as a ruling body the government has control over some part of their citizen's life. wether this is banning the murder of fellow citizens or creating strict health mandates to protect their population citizens are expected to obey. wearing a mask does not change you as a human and thus can not be seen as breaking any rules of human rights surely.

anarchist100

@Starlord616
And what if I don't want to?

Starlord616

anarchist100 said:

@Starlord616
And what if I don't want to?

as your name suggests your allowed to leave structed society or government at anytime but you must not expect to be granted certain freedoms that come with living within a nation (using publuc goods, citizenship, health care, voting ect)

Note: this is not to say that authority should be questioned (because almost everyform of authority should be) however after said instution has proved their actions with valid third person data their advice should be listened to, and if made into law, followed

Dee

@anarchist100

As I've said I don't mind wearing mask, but we've got to keep government control in check.

Right so you’re pro mask ,you must be the worst anarchist in the history of anarchism .....You’re like Superman with no super powers 

Debater123

@anarchist100

I'm for wearing masks as a choice and something that is within your control.

I'm against wearing masks if I am forced to do so by the government.

Debater123

xlJ_dolphin_473 said:

You seem to have posted the debate twice. Anyway, I think that the government taking away our freedoms is a necessary evil to fight a deadly disease.

"Anyway, I think the government taking away our right to speak is a necessary evil to fight pro-drug when we have a problem with it here."

piloteer

anarchist100 said:

@Starlord616
And what if I don't want to?

What the f u c k? Is this what you actually consider to be a valid retort to anything anybody ever has to say about anything? I don't even know what you're responding to here, but the obvious answer is that no matter whether you want to or not, you can be forced to, either by being fined, or by physical force. If that doesn't work, you can be incarcerated or terminated. In an anarchy, or in terms of social justice, you will always have to validate your very existence no matter what decisions you have, or have not made. So the idea that you are somehow impervious to retribution because you believe we should live in an anarchy is a rookie emotion and nothing more. You are NEVER automatically justified in an anarchy.

The system of governance we use in the US does enforce a rule that we do not ever need to validate our existence. But we can still be fined, or physically forced, or incarcerated, or winnowed out.     

       

ssppttzz

The government forces us to go to school, the government does not force us to wear a mask. Both are beneficial to people, but apparently is somehow "taking away our freedom". The irony is that the government not enforcing things like this is what takes away freedom. 

anarchist100

@Dee
I oppose mask mandates, I'm not pro-mask, I'm just saying this is not about masks, it's about keeping our freedoms.

anarchist100

@piloteer
I don't have to live under a government if I don't want to. If using tax payer funded things makes me have to then fine see you all the the amazon rainforest.

piloteer

@anarchist100

anarchist100 said:

@piloteer
I don't have to live under a government if I don't want to. If using tax payer funded things makes me have to then fine see you all the the amazon rainforest.

That's where I live. Just know that I will hunt you down. Dissent must be rooted out and eliminated. Mwa ha ha ha HA!!!! 

maxx

i will explain this very logically .and hope you understand.  A mask helps. No it is not 100 percent perfect.  It is a filter like your furnace filter in which it helps trap particles while allowing air in. It helps much more than not wearing one. It is not about freedoms, but common sense.You once said that the lack of oxygen lowers the immune system, so what  do you think covid will do to it, be gentle with it? Now the facts. people who do not wear them are spreading it among themselves and are collectively contributing to the destructions of small businesses and resturaunt across the united states; and AS WELL are contributing tio the downfall of our economy. Also they are adding to unemployment and loss of many jobs and adding to the homeless problem .This is what people who do not wear masks are doing because " no one tells me to wear a mask".@anarchist100

Dee

@anarchist100

 this is not about masks, it's about keeping our freedoms

Yet that’s what you’re whining about , the laws are there for your good and my good you’re just being argumentative 

anarchist100

@Dee
FOR THE LAST TIME!!! IF WE DON'T CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS US!!!!!

Dee

@anarchist100

FOR THE LAST TIME!!! IF WE DON'T CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS US!!!!!


Bet the government is shaking an quivering at your big gang ready  to seize control 

Tell me how is control by you and your buddies any better? 

anarchist100

@Dee
Read the name.

maxx

This is what is so dumb. People like him are yelling about freedom and that is why they are not wearing masks, Yet by spreading the virus among them selves, the government is giving away money, halting evictions by paying landlords and so on, this is one step closer to socialism and the conservities who do not wear masks are helping form it.

maxx

This is what is so dumb. People like him are yelling about freedom and that is why they are not wearing masks, Yet by spreading the virus among them selves, the government is giving away money, halting evictions by paying landlords and so on, this is one step closer to socialism and the conservities who do not wear masks are helping form it.

maxx

This is what is so dumb. People like him are yelling about freedom and that is why they are not wearing masks, Yet by spreading the virus among them selves, the government is giving away money, halting evictions by paying landlords and so on, this is one step closer to socialism and the conservities who do not wear masks are helping form it.

anarchist100

@maxx
Who's conservative here? Not me!

Dee

@anarchist100



Woooooohooooo scary 

Cringe_Train

@anarchist100
It's just a mask, not that big of a deal. doctors have been using them for decades.

anarchist100

@Cringe_Train
It's not about mask.

Cringe_Train

@anarchist100

well I know there's more to it, but i'm just saying that if people hadn't been kind of idiotic and just worn the masks we wouldn't be talking about this.

Cringe_Train

@anarchist100

well I know there's more to it, but i'm just saying that if people hadn't been kind of dumb and just worn the masks we wouldn't be talking about this.

Cringe_Train

@anarchist100

well I know there's more to it, but i'm just saying that if people hadn't been kind of dumb and just worn the hecking masks we wouldn't be talking about this.

anarchist100

@Cringe_Train
I support voluntary masking.

TreeMan

i actively support making masks mandatory for indoor venues and outdoor events with more than 1 person every 2 metres squared. This is only a bit of freedoms taken away. Here in Sydney(Australia) after just a relatively small outbreak, masks are already mandatory. However, in Britain and the US, masks still aren't mandatory, thanks to a huge numbers of protesters and anti-vaxers

TreeMan

MASKS SAVE LIVES, DAMNIT!!! If you don't want to wear a mask outdoors, then stay home and don't give the virus to anyone else! simple as that

xlJ_dolphin_473

@TreeMan
The problem with masks is that they only work as effective protection when everyone (or nearly everyone) wears them.  Of course, there are some idiots who refuse to wear masks and so a mask mandate is the only effective solution. For the people who say it takes away their freedoms, I say this:
Do you want to be free from masks, or free from coronavirus?

Which is the more important?