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The Left is using this riot at White House to censor speech! I thought the Left loved free speech?

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Can you believe how the Social media and the Democrat Party is using this White House riot to take away free speech in America?

Where is the Left? Where is their supposed passion for free speech? Free speech is about allowing diverse and dissenting opinions to be heard for all to see and hear. These authoritarian Democrats and Social media outlets are taking advantage of a riot, and using it to push their Big Brother control of our lives and our speech! You should be outraged! Where are all those voices from the Left fighting for free speech?

Just because these obstructionist Democrats have tried to impeach Trump his entire term, does not mean that you allow them to destroy our freedoms. TRUMP DID NOT TELL PEOPLE TO STORM THE CAPITOL BUILDING!
Trump told the people to march down to the Capitol PEACEFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is how the Left censors. They drum up all the hate for those they want to censor. They ignore how Democrats incited non stop riots of death and destruction on our police, on private citizens and their businesses, etc.
Where was Twitter's censoring of any Democrat tweets that attributed to those Black Lives Matter, and ANTIFA riots? HYPOCRITES!

Did you know that Twitter allows the Supreme leader of Iran, a supporter of terrorism, to post on Twitter while banning President Trump for doing nothing more than speaking to the bias and corruption in our media and election process.

Did you know that these Social media giansts are doing all in their power to destroy other social media outlets, the ones that allow free speech on both sides?
Did you know that Apple is not allowing apps for Social media sites competing with the Leftwing Social media monopoly? These Leftwing sites will censor you and any competitor from existing! This is why the Left used to say they were opposed to monopolies controlling everything.

Are we living in China, or Iran, where Big Brother Government controls what you can hear or read? STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT if you are not a hypocrite who says you care about free speech, but only the speech that agrees with your politics.

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  • xlJ_dolphin_473xlJ_dolphin_473 1131 Pts   -   edited January 10
    Really this situation is getting a bit out of hand. Many of the people at the Capitol riots were chanting "Hang Mike Pence", which ended up trending on Twitter mere hours later. Furthermore, some people interpreted Trump's tweet that he would not be attending the inauguration as a message that it would be safe for them to attack the inauguration, as Trump would not be there.
    These Trump supporters - not all Trump supporters, just the ones who are rioting - are attacking American democracy. They are sending the message that democracy is only good when it works for them; that the elections are only fair when they win.
     No one's life should be put at risk as a result of misinformation. 
    piloteerPlaffelvohfenAlofRITreeManCYDdharta
  • @xlJ_dolphin_473

    Yes, as with the misinformation about how all police departments are all racists and how you can't trust any of our law enforcement agencies. That kind of misinformation creating death and destruction to so many cities.
    AlofRIPlaffelvohfenTreeManCYDdharta
  • xlJ_dolphin_473xlJ_dolphin_473 1131 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable
    Yes, as with the misinformation about how all police departments are all racists and how you can't trust any of our law enforcement agencies. That kind of misinformation creating death and destruction to so many cities.
    Yes, that is misinformation too. I am against misinformation of all kinds. The police is not a racist system: there are just some racist individuals within the police.

    Are you using this example of misinformation to attempt to refute my point, or do you agree with my point? 
  • piloteerpiloteer 1111 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable

    If we stop private businesses from choosing to run their business as if it is their own private property, then we will be like China. If our government forces private businesses to allow terrorist speech from ISIS or Trump supporters, then we will be like China.

    . SO GO HOME YOU N A Z I   C U N T,  AND KEEP YOUR  N A Z I    S H I T  TO YOURSELF. WE WILL RESIST YOUR TERRORISM AND CONTINUE TO ADHERE TO THE CONSTITUTION. IF YOU DO NOT ARGUE THAT I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CALL YOU WHAT I DID WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT SPACES IN BETWEEN THE LETTERS OF THE GOOD STUFF SO DEBRA WILL ALLOW IT TO BE POSTED, THEN YOU ARE LYING. I'M CALLING ON YOU TO ARGUE THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PUT SPACES IN BETWEEN THE LETTERS OF THE WORDS I WILL USE TO DESCRIBE YOU FROM NOW ON, OR SHOW EVERYBODY THAT YOU WON'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU THINK I SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO SAY IT. SHAME ON YOU IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN. YOU PISSED IN THE GENE POOL.    
    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotAlofRIxlJ_dolphin_473We_are_accountableCYDdhartaJGXdebatePRO
  • xlJ_dolphin_473xlJ_dolphin_473 1131 Pts   -  
    @piloteer
    Aside from the somewhat gratuitous swearing, you have a point. Just as it is authoritarian for the government to demand that certain speech is banned, it is equally authoritarian for the government to demand that it is allowed. Companies like Twitter should be allowed to independently choose what is allowed and what is not, in order to uphold the ideals of freedom which America is built on.
    piloteerPlaffelvohfenCYDdharta
  • piloteerpiloteer 1111 Pts   -  
    @piloteer
    Aside from the somewhat gratuitous swearing, you have a point. Just as it is authoritarian for the government to demand that certain speech is banned, it is equally authoritarian for the government to demand that it is allowed. Companies like Twitter should be allowed to independently choose what is allowed and what is not, in order to uphold the ideals of freedom which America is built on.
    The gratuitous swearing was needed to drive the message home. 
    PlaffelvohfenWe_are_accountableJGXdebatePROCYDdharta
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 660 Pts   -  
    @piloteer They should be allowed to run there business the way they wish, although we should strip them of certain government protections.  They'd be allowed to state that anything posted on their platform, can be taken down for any reason they deem fit.

    The point is if leftists were supporters of free speech should be angry that anyone is being silenced.  Instead most are encouraging it including news media.  I'd argue you should be able to say that to accountable and I'd argue for anyone being silenced.  I realize that silencing ideas only keeps us from finding the best ones. I as a conservative libertarian am fine with leftists posting; either they're ignorance, make me think about my positions in response, or they change my mind.  Ideas are how we learn, anyone trying to silence ideas has bad intentions.
    We_are_accountablePlaffelvohfenCYDdharta
  • piloteerpiloteer 1111 Pts   -  
    @MichaelElpers

    If somebody comes to my house and openly says that they love sex with cats in front of my family, then I have absolutely no responsibility to ensure they be allowed to stay and express themselves freely. I'm not sure what government protections you are talking about, but whatever they may be, should I then lose those "government protections" that you speak of? Would one of those protections be my freedom of expression? Private companies are private property, even when they are online. Should we now lose our governmental protections because of us expressing ourselves on our private property?   
  • anarchist100anarchist100 217 Pts   -   edited January 10
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1219 Pts   -  
    You can't yell "fire" in a crowded place. You can't slander another person dishonestly. You can't lie in court. There HAVE to be some limits on "free speech' 

    I can say Trump is the biggest liar ever to occupy the White House .... because it's true. I can say he and his family are grifters and con artists because it's true. I can be arrested, though, for inciting a riot. Trump is NOT above the law (not now that his personal AG is gone at least :-)!

    We are a country of laws .... even Trump, (laughingly) said that! He doesn't think they were for him, though. A few of those laws relate TO free speech. You can move to another country if you don't like our laws, see how they allow free speech there. You'll likely have to wait until Americans are again welcome in other countries. Personally, I hope that is soon ... for your sake. (And MINE, come to think of it).
    We_are_accountableCYDdharta
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 660 Pts   -  
    @piloteer. I'm talking about the protection that allows them to not be liable for what people post because the argument is they are just a platform that people can use to express free speech. If they censor a certain side they should no longer have that protection.
    Like I said as a private platform they could still censor who they want but need to have that in terms of service.

    It is a surprise to me that people who supposedly support minorities are calling for censorship, as minority opinions are the most likely to be censored.

    On your private property you can kick people off for saying whatever.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1111 Pts   -  

    On your private property you can kick people off for saying whatever.
    If a business is private property, which it is according to the constitution, then they are totally within their rights to express themselves by disallowing what content they do not want. Just as private citizens are not held liable for speech that a visitor expresses on their property, a business should not be held liable for speech that is posted on their page. 

    Not all sites are platforms that can be used for free speech, and they explicitly tell users that before users are even allowed to post anything. Debate Island is not a site that allows all users to express themselves freely to the full extent of the law (unless they use a closed forum which is a paid service). Hate speech and profanity is not allowed, and every user is made aware of that before they are able to post anything. It is the fault of the people who think they must be allowed free speech on any website, but have neglected to keep in mind that they filled out a page that tells them the terms of their agreement before they are able to use it. Just like stormfront does not allow racial slurs or threats of violence, Facebook and Twitter do not allow those things also. They signed a contract to be able to use the site. 

    Just in case somebody may try to argue that Facebook and Twitter are more popular, let me address them before hand. There are no laws which state that once a business becomes more popular than others it will no longer have the same rights of expression that the less popular sites have. To change that would be a violation of the constitution and nothing more than socialism (which I already think we have more than enough of to begin with). 

    What is actually surprising is someone who claims to be a libertarian who is calling for government restrictions on private enterprise. Socialism is  Feel free to justify that inconsistency. Calling for government restrictions on private businesses is socialism.         
    PlaffelvohfenCYDdharta
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    where are you getting your info.where is free speach guaranteed?@We_are_accountable
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 660 Pts   -  
    @piloteer. I'm not calling for government restriction, I just want them to remove the government protection they currently have.  They'd still be able to put in their terms that they aren't not responsible for what you post and can take it down if they want.

    My question is why are people on this site and throughout the U.S. encouraging censorship instead of being angry about it.  If it censorship was unpopular they wouldn't do it.  That scares me that the country is headed in this direction.
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
  • We_are_accountableWe_are_accountable 890 Pts   -   edited January 11
    @xlJ_dolphin_473

    I agree with you about misinformation, but what I never hear from the Left is the total hypocrisy from Democrats who do it much more then Republicans.

    Democrats have been inciting riots for many decades and the biased media holds their water. Everytime there is a possible racist Cop shooting or possible hate crime, Democrats with the help of the biased Leftwing news outlets are all over the airwaves, race bating purely for political grandstanding to secure the Black vote. This is truly reprenhensible to put our people and cities in danger, all for votes.

    Trump did his best to shine a light on the corruption in our biased media, and the corruption in our election officials changing elections laws such as absentee ballots being flooding into cities when not requested, all under the lie that it is too dangerous to vote in person.
    This was truly a coup, by a biased Leftwing media in bed with the Democrat Party. It was Big Corporate Social media companies funnellng hundreds of millions to Democrat elections, and censoring news stories that would hurt Biden.

    After Trump exhausted his attempts to get the courts to act, he should have accepted the results and told his supporters that he would keep fighting for fair elections in the future. He should have conceded and stopped the nonsense of thinking he could change the ballot count.

    His motives were for building support for his next presidential run, and continuing to be a voice in politics for the issues important to him and 70 milion American voters.

    I am angry with Trump because his ego and thin skin has hurt this movement of Americans fed up with the corruption in our politics and in our media. We love the guy for starting this MAGA movement and having the strength and leadership to give the GOP a backbone to finally fight these Leftist Politicians.

    He should have won in a landslide on his great accomplishments alone, but he refused to tone down his unpresidential rhetoric for sake of winning more voters angry with his personality. He was a terrilbe politician! He had no training in dealing with voters, and truly lacked the common sense ability to speak to his 70 million supporters, while not angering moderates who hated his in your face personality.

    It's amazing how for our entire lifetimes, Conservatives waited for a President like Trump. Someone not tied to the power brokers in Washington, not tied to big Corporate donations and influence. He was his own man as witnessed by the fact that both Democrats and Republicans hated him in the beginning.
    Trump supporters, such as myself, looked past his ego and lack of humility, because we saw the strength and toughness required to take on the swamp of Government and the powers to be.

    There will probably never be the perfect President who is his own man, not beholden to Special interests, with the guts and strength to take on the Liberal biased media, the Government corruption, while staying humble and presidential. I guess there is no such human being on the planet. I would vote for Trump again if it is a choice between him and a RINO, or Democrat Leftist. His horrid personality is the least of my worries if he gets things accomplished.

    Democrats are trying to impeach him with a few days left in his term, spitting on the voices of 70 million Americans. Democrats truly have become arrogant Leftwing extremists who want to bury the voices of so many who do not agree with their Socialistic politics. Social media is going all out with censorship.

    Democrats and the media would like you to forget the protesters banging on the White House door during Judge Kavanaugh's supreme court nomination hearings. I do not remember ANY talk about Democrats inciting these protests on our most sacred Governmental grounds. The hypocrisy is truly astounding. This naton's freedoms are being stolen by radical Leftists controlling our news outlets and Social mediia.

    PlaffelvohfenCYDdharta
  • @piloteer

    Are yu for real? It is the Left and your side who are the big censors of speech. What world of denial do you live in? Have you been completely brainwashed by the biased Leftwing media?

    I agree with you that we should be able to call someone without having our post denied, but I also understand we need some limits of hateful speech to keep the site from falling into a cesspool of confrontation and hate.

    There are anarchists and terrorists who would use these sites to recruit.

    I have you on ignore for being such an angry person, always insulting and lacking the ability to debate without childish anger. If you want me to respond to you, try acting in a civil manner. If not, then don't expect any responses in the future.
    CYDdharta
  • We_are_accountableWe_are_accountable 890 Pts   -   edited January 11
    @AlofRI

    If you are going to arrest trump for supposedly inciting a riot, which he did not do, then you must first arrest every Democrat Politician for decades of inciting riots in our big cities with their non stop race bating.

    I can not believe your pathetic double standards!

    ignore
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2140 Pts   -  
    @MichaelElpers

    Censorship is (and always should be) illegal only when done by the government... You, I and any other private citizen, have every right to censor (on our property) any and all speech we disagree with...   
    CYDdharta
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • @mickyg

    These social media sites advertise for membership based on the lie that they are fair and balanced with each member. They blocked the New York Post's story of Hunter Biden's laptop and the connection to Joe Biden. Twitter blocked them with the lie that this was Russian disinformation, or simply rumors and inuendo, etc. etc.

    The facts are that Biden has been under investigation by the FBI for two years for tax evasion from Chinese interests. This story was real and Twitter purposely censored it because it could hurt Joe Biden's Presidentail election. New York Post deserves the right to sue these people for their slander against the Post.

    If these Social media sites are not willing to admit they are Leftwing biased, then they can not censor conservative opinions! PERIOD!

    They have protection from Government because they are supposedly non biased! They are effecting our elections with their insideous bias towards Democrats.

    Government has every right to take away any protection from liability if they refuse to be open and fair.
    PlaffelvohfenCYDdharta
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    TRUMP HAS BEEN UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR DECADES
    DID ANYONE BLOCK THE NY POST FROM PRINTING?
    THE SENATE BLOCKED DEMS FROM CALLING WITNESSES ON TRUMPS IMPEACHMENT
    DOES THAT SOUND LEGIT STEW PIDD? @We_are_accountable
    We_are_accountableCYDdharta
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body addresses charges against a government official.[1] National legislations differ regarding the definition and consequences of an impeachment. In many countries, for example those in Latin America, "impeachment" refers to a definitive destitution; a president in these jurisdictions is therefore only considered "impeached" when they had been definitely removed from office. In the United States, on the other hand, "impeachment" refers to a previous step, that of the authority's indictment; a U.S. president impeached by the House of Representatives remains in power while charges are addressed by the Senate, and may be found not guilty.     

    A LITTLE TEST OF SELF AWARENESS FOR THE CHRISTIAN....WAS THE SENATE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THE IMPEACHMENT OR BLOCK WITNESSES AND WHITE WASH IT@We_are_accountable
    We_are_accountableCYDdharta
  • @mickyg

    If we had just one Conservative Social media company, and they banned the Post from reporting on stories that hurt Trump, HYPOCRITES LIKE YOU WOULD BE SCREAMING!

    It sounds like time to ignore another Leftwing joke!

    IGNORE
  • piloteerpiloteer 1111 Pts   -  
    @piloteer

    Are yu for real? It is the Left and your side who are the big censors of speech. What world of denial do you live in? Have you been completely brainwashed by the biased Leftwing media?

    I agree with you that we should be able to call someone without having our post denied, but I also understand we need some limits of hateful speech to keep the site from falling into a cesspool of confrontation and hate.

    There are anarchists and terrorists who would use these sites to recruit.

    I have you on ignore for being such an angry person, always insulting and lacking the ability to debate without childish anger. If you want me to respond to you, try acting in a civil manner. If not, then don't expect any responses in the future.
    Leave us not lie to ourselves. You respond to my posts because you see that they generate responses, and they often get marked with those thumbs up icons, or the lightning bolt thingies. That's a common occurrence when I post, and I'm sure you're used to it. You also respond to me because of my intoxicating charm and wit. It's tough to love me, but it's even tougher to hate me. 

    If you understand that "we need some limits of hateful speech to keep [this] site from falling into a cesspool of confrontation and hate", then why are we having this discussion? Do you believe debate island should be forced to allow useless racial slurs that do not encourage civil debate? Or should  aarong be allowed to remove that type of rhetoric? Are we really expected to believe it's liberty if our government has the authority to stop people from deleting offensive material? The nazis used to force everybody to own and fly the nazi flag. Was that "free speech". Is not the act of deleting offensive things an act of our freedom of expression in and of itself? I guess you think the government should be able to decide for us what is and isn't offensive and that's your measure of linerty. 

    If a social media page is dedicated to the holocaust, I don't think they should be stopped from disallowing david duke to go on it and question whether more than 10 people even died in the holocaust. Just like Jane Fonda should be allowed to get kicked off of stormfront for showing off her latest yoga technique, and Hunter S Thomson should probably be barred from any online AA meetings. 

    It's not actually like social media sites are going around and kicking off conservatives. There are no icons on everybody's profiles that states what political affiliation they are. They're kicking off people who deny the holocaust happened, spread disinformation about vaccines, use racial slurs or homophobic or misogynistic rhetoric. Or try to incite violence. And since when did you want your cause to be affiliated with those things anyway?  Do we really need to have a counter narrative to every single thing that is posted anywhere in this country, or can people just go on running their own sites the way they feel fit?

    If half of the country is made up of repressed conservatives, it behooves me as to why they can't just make their own social media sites that allows them to throw digital darts at Dr. Fauci. If and when you do finally make up your pro-nazi site where all you flat-earthers can say what you want, I won't argue that you need to allow Ru Paul on there as a counter narrative, because I actually believe in your freedom of expression.       
    CYDdharta
  • piloteerpiloteer 1111 Pts   -   edited January 13
    @piloteer. I'm not calling for government restriction, I just want them to remove the government protection they currently have.  They'd still be able to put in their terms that they aren't not responsible for what you post and can take it down if they want.

    My question is why are people on this site and throughout the U.S. encouraging censorship instead of being angry about it.  If it censorship was unpopular they wouldn't do it.  That scares me that the country is headed in this direction.
    If and when you become barred by law to start your own social media site without restrictions, then it's time to be scared. But since you are able to start your own social media site without being told what you can and can't sensor, and all the other social media sites have the same protections, then we're OK. If your scared, stop arguing for government enforcement of our social media. Because that will mean you cannot start your own site and run it how you'd like.     
  • @piloteer ;

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2021-01-11/tech-faces-backlash-with-trump-twitter-ban-parler-offline-video
    https://adage.com/article/media/big-tech-under-attack-after-parler-goes-dark/2304791

    It's nice to see you are capabe of posting without childish insults, and therefore I will respond. I normally ignore the vast vast majority of your posts, so you are completely wrong about me not being able to stop from responding to you.

    You said and I quote...
     
    "If half of the country is made up of repressed conservatives, it behooves me as to why they can't just make their own social media sites that allows them to throw digital darts at Dr. Fauci. If and when you do finally make up your pro-nazi site where all you flat-earthers can say what you want, I won't argue that you need to allow Ru Paul on there as a counter narrative, because I actually believe in your freedom of expression."


    These social media sites, such as Parler, who do not censor free speech, are being blocked from Apple Apps, and are losing their platforms and abilities to run their business by Big Tech monopolies playing God.

    Twitter and the others are saying that Parler is supporting riots which is a complete lie. The hypocrisy is mind blowing since Twitter allows the Supreme leader of Iran to have an account! Under their own logic, they are supporting terrorism around the world!

    You ask why Conservsatives do not just make their own media sites? They can't because these Bog Tech Monopolies control the platforms that are needed!
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    do you think the quran should be in school libraries?..
    SHOULD the history of islam be taught in schools.
    SHOULD government money be given to muslim schools?..@We_are_accountable
    We_are_accountable
  • @mickyg

    No I do not believe the Quran should be in school libraries, unless of course we were an Islaminc nation with it's historical roots built on an Islamic heritage.

    Schools should be places for our children to learn the basics, not whatever some activist groups wants them to learn.

    I don't want Government money given to schools. I want MY school taxes, taken out of my hard earned money, going to the school of MY choice. I will decide the best schools for MY child, and I do not want MY money going to failing public schools, while still having to fully pay for a private school!
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -   edited January 15
    so you are 0k if taxes are used to build muslim schools
    OR are they not allowed to do as you.....put THEIR TAXES TOWARDS MUSLIM SCHOOLS..

    WHAT ARE THE BASICS FOR SCHOOL FOR A RACIST LIKE YOURSELF..........READIN...RITIN ..RITHMATIC  CHRISTIAN HISTORY?.@We_are_accountable
    We_are_accountableCYDdharta
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    so you are 0k if taxes are used to build muslim schools
    OR are they not allowed to do as you.....put THEIR TAXES TOWARDS MUSLIM SCHOOLS..

    WHAT ARE THE BASICS FOR SCHOOL FOR A RACIST LIKE YOURSELF..........EWADIN...RITIN RITHMATIC  CHRISTIAN HISTORY?.@We_are_accountable
    We_are_accountableCYDdharta
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    YES....YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN 1ST AMMENDMENT....YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS..@We_are_accountable
    We_are_accountableCYDdharta
  • @mickyg

    I told you what I supported but you are fake news as most people on the Left.

    Any American Muslim, Christian, Athiest, etc. should have the right to have part of their school taxes go to the school of their choice. There woud be very few muslim private schools since this is a majority Christian nation. If Muslims spend their money building a private Muslim school, people should have the freedom to spend part of their own school taxes on the private school of their choice. It's called freedom for every American to spend their own money on the school of their choice.

    I realize the Left wants to force every child into their failed Leftwing propaganda schools.

    If this is too hard for you to grasp, please ignore me.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1374 Pts   -  
    mickyg said:

    A LITTLE TEST OF SELF AWARENESS FOR THE CHRISTIAN....WAS THE SENATE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS THE IMPEACHMENT OR BLOCK WITNESSES AND WHITE WASH IT@We_are_accountable

    Um, the House was supposed to present the witnesses and provide a compelling case to the Senate.  The House failed.
  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    you can build al all christian school today
    you just can't use government money

  • mickygmickyg 208 Pts   -  
    The senate would not allow witnesses
    HOW ..JUST HOWWWW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS???????????/@CYDdharta
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1374 Pts   -   edited January 17
    mickyg said:
    The senate would not allow witnesses
    HOW ..JUST HOWWWW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS???????????/@CYDdharta

    The case is made in the House, not the Senate.  The House could call all the witnesses they wanted.  They failed to make their case.
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