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Was Trump a Good President?

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  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  

    5 Reasons Why



    Trump and the Economy

    Trump has undoubtedly set economic growth on fire, with rising stocks, GDP, and lowering employment, President Trump has undoubtedly stimulated a golden age of economic prosperity before the pandemic and created a ‘Goldilocks Economy’ according to many experts.

    https://www.thebalance.com/unemployment-rate-by-year-3305506


    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/how-trump-has-set-economic-growth-on-fire.html


    Trump and the Pandemic

    Despite many individual Governors and Mayors(Such as Cuomo and De Blasio) completely messing up on Covid-19, Trump managed to save very many American lives through his actions, from putting attention to the virus in the early spring and putting down Travel Bans before the pandemic got more serious according to medical experts such as Dr. Fauci.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-trump-travel-restrictions-saved-lives-coronavirus


    https://www.newsmax.com/finance/mikefuljenz/fauci-trump-chinese-tourist/2020/03/24/id/959787/


    Trump and Immagration

    Illegal immigration has been dropping under president trump Along with the percentage of long-term vs short-term illegal immigration residences.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/


    Trump and Nasa

    Trump has had a steady increase in the budget of NASA, increasing development in NASA and scientific research in that area.

    https://www.thebalance.com/nasa-budget-current-funding-and-history-3306321


    Trump and the Middle East

    With Trump making great strides in peace and coming out of the middle east I can safely say he absolutely shined here.

    Trump made 4 great peace deals between Israel and Sudan, Bahrain, the UAE, and Morocco.

    Not only that, he killed Sulamani, ended the bombing campaigns, and broke the 2015 Iranian Nuclear Agreement.


    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/12/trump-announces-israel-morocco-peace-deal-4th-trump-era-middle-east-peace-deal/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action


    https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/cnn-confirms-trumps-reason-killing-iranian-general-soleimani-legitimate

    Happy_KillbotPlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • anarchist100anarchist100 332 Pts   -  
    @Debater123
    Trump has done some good and some bad.




  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3702 Pts   -  
    The consequences of presidential policies should be analyzed in the long-term perspective, not in the immediate one. There are many ways to "set economical growth on fire" in a way that leads to its reversal eventually, and uncontrollable governmental spending is one of them. This spending sends wrong signals to the market, causing the market actors to overinvest and cause short-term economical growth - but the misallocation of resources will eventually hit the market back in full force, as, for example, happened in 2008.
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  
    @anarchist100 Has not every president?
  • anarchist100anarchist100 332 Pts   -  
    @Debater123
    Good point.
    Debater123
  • @Debater123

    I'm not convinced that voters even vote for a President of the United States in the first place...
    Every President? Do you really believe that any person elected as an Exsecutive Officer of the United States of America is a President of the united states based on a majority of just those voters? A man must relieve another man of command on a Presidential level, or he must relive a Preseadera of her command of her Constitutional united state create between all women. For lack of better words to describe the state of the Union.

    Has not every president? No. Every President of Constitutional United State has not done some good and bad, the ballot of a vote in a political sense for President is not made on those two principles. You are giving an account of the elected Executive officer only. Only those who own land under the constitutional United States can legally vote on a President or Presadera of the United states. You are at liberty on this matter as voting by constitutional principles as a united state is not sexual discrimination.
    Debater123AlofRI
  • Starlord616Starlord616 330 Pts   -  

    5 Reasons Why

    1. Trump and the Economy

    2. Trump and the Pandemic

    3. Trump and Immigration

    4. Trump and Nasa

    5. Trump and the Middle East

    1
    • Raised housing payments for new homebuyers by about $500 in 2017. On its first day, the Trump administration reversed an Obama administration action to lower Federal Housing Administration
    • Attacked the Department of Labor’s fiduciary rule, which would have required retirement advisers to act in their clients’ best financial interest. 
    • Delayed court proceedings on the Obama administration’s expansion of overtime, failing to defend the pro-worker rule. This rule would have raised wages for workers by $12 billion over the next 10 years and extended overtime protections to 4.2 million more Americans.
    • Delayed enforcement of a rule to reduce workers’ exposure to deadly silica dust for three months. After more than four decades of development, this rule would protect construction and manufacturing workers from inhaling silica, which can lead to lung cancer, silicosis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and kidney disease. 
    • Supported efforts in Congress to cut taxes on the wealthy that help fund the Affordable Care Act or ACA.
    • Tried to cut his own taxes by millions of dollars while taking health insurance from tens of millions of Americans. Based on President Trump’s leaked 2005 Tax Return Form 1040, repealing the ACA could give Trump a personal tax cut of more than $2 million. 
    • Assembled a team of wealthy financial industry elites to advise him on tax reform, which he promised would benefit the middle class. 
    • Made it harder for veterans to find jobs with a federal hiring freeze. 
    • Proposed budget cuts that would threaten billions in loans and investments to distressed communities. The proposed budget would eliminate the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Community Development Financial Institutions Fund, which supports billions of dollars in financing across low-income communities, including more than $300 million in rural and Native American communities, as well as the Economic Development Administration and the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, costing another $300 million or more that is annually invested in community growth.
    • Proposed funding cuts for programs that help support and encourage small business development. President Trump’s budget cuts funding for several programs that help groups with historically low business ownership rates overcome barriers to becoming entrepreneurs, including the PRIME technical assistance grants for low-income micro-entrepreneurs
    • Proposed eliminating NeighborWorks America. NeighborWorks America provides grants to community development organizations that help build and maintain affordable housing. The program created 53,649 jobs and assisted 360,009 families with affordable housing in the last year alone.
    2.
    • The US president’s actions have exacerbated the pandemic that has killed more than 200,000 people in the United States, rolled back environmental and public-health regulations and undermined science and scientific institutions. Some of the harm could be permanent.
    • Over the past eight months, the president of the United States has lied about the dangers posed by the coronavirus and undermined efforts to contain it; he even admitted in an interview to purposefully misrepresenting the viral threat early in the pandemic. 
    • Trump has belittled masks and social-distancing requirements while encouraging people to protest against lockdown rules aimed at stopping disease transmission. 
    • His administration has undermined, suppressed and censored government scientists working to study the virus and reduce its harm. And his appointees have made political tools out of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), ordering the agencies to put out inaccurate information, issue ill-advised health guidance, and tout unproven and potentially harmful treatments for COVID-19.
    • The British medical journal 'The Lancet', published an assessment of Donald Trump’s presidency and its impact on Americans’ health, concluding that 40% of the nearly 500,000 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. over the past year were avoidable. 
    • The journal came to the conclusion by comparing the U.S. health outcomes on the coronavirus (the country leads the world in COVID deaths and confirmed cases with more than 27 million) with the weighted average of other G-7 nations. 
    3. 

    The number of foreign-born people living in the US has risen by about 3% from 43.7 million the year before Mr Trump's election to about 45 million last year.
    President Trump has done everything in his power to subject more than one million DACA recipients and TPS holders to deportation, including hundreds of thousands of essential frontline workers helping our communities survive the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. He has separated children from their mothers and fathers, both at the border and across the country, inflicting far-reaching trauma to children and families and harming communities. He has blocked millions of individuals from coming to the U.S. through existing immigration channels, undercutting our nation’s ability to respond to and recover from the ongoing public health and economic crisis. Throughout, the Trump Administration has relentlessly scapegoated immigrants for the challenges our country faces.
    4.
    • Donald Trump is poised to eliminate all climate change research conducted by Nasa as part of a crackdown on “politicized science”, his senior adviser on issues relating to the space agency has said.
    • Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding in favour of exploration of deep space, with the president-elect having set a goal during the campaign to explore the entire solar system by the end of the century.
    • This would mean the elimination of Nasa’s world-renowned research into temperature, ice, clouds and other climate phenomena. Nasa’s network of satellites provides a wealth of information on climate change, with the Earth science division’s budget set to grow to $2bn next year. By comparison, space exploration has been scaled back somewhat, with a proposed budget of $2.8bn in 2017.

    • 5.
    • The U.S. drone strike that killed Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the long-time leader of Iran’s paramilitary Quds Force of the Islamic Republican Guard Corps, comes when the United States is at a dangerous crossroads in the Middle East. 
    • Soleimani was responsible for many of Iran’s most important relationships, including with paramilitary groups in Iraq, the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, and Palestinian terrorist groups like Hamas, among many others. In many countries, he and the Quds Force basically controlled Iranian policy.

    Debater123ZeusAres42Happy_Killbot
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -   edited February 18
    @Starlord616

    1: The fiduciary rule is kinda useless since they would be doing that or nearly doing that already.
    Okay, so apparently, not forcing companies to pay workers more money is bad for the economy, great. How did you figure that one out?
    And what rule was that?
    How do tax cuts on the wealthy hurt the economy?
    Define 'cutting your own taxes', do you mean he wants to cut taxes on the wealthy?
    But it DID help the middle class, taxes were lowered tremendously!
    How did he make it harder for veterans to find jobs?
    And that doesn't help! Giving communities money only hurts them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ4lnDy2xnQ
    What programs were they? How would they help?
    Neighborworks isn't run by the government, he has no power over it, I have no idea where you got something like that.

    2: He said this before, he didn't want to tell people how dangerous it was because of panic.
    Perhaps you have a point with the masks, however, this still does not make his efforts to travel ban the virus early on bad.
    What's wrong with protesting lockdowns? They don't work, hurt your liberties, and destroy your economy!
    Censored? What? Can you give a source?
    What inaccurate information was known at the time to be inaccurate was given?

    3: This is kind of irrelevant, by immigration I was talking about illegal immigration.

    4: The Budget still went up, meaning more funding for Nasa.

    5: So what if Solomani was an important diplomat? The fact is that he killed 1000's of American lives, I also noticed you ignored the rest of my argument.

    I noticed that for every argument you seemed to avoid the point, please address them, disprove the economic growth caused by cutting regulations and taxes, disprove that the budget didn't go up with Nasa, disprove that fewer illegal immigrants came in, and disprove that Trump didn't save thousands of American lives with his travel bans, as for Solomani, I'm not sure what you were trying to do in that argument, what point you were trying to push.
  • Starlord616Starlord616 330 Pts   -  
    @Starlord616

    1: The fiduciary rule is kinda useless since they would be doing that or nearly doing that already.
    Okay, so apparently, not forcing companies to pay workers more money is bad for the economy, great. How did you figure that one out?
    And what rule was that?
    How do tax cuts on the wealthy hurt the economy?
    Define 'cutting your own taxes', do you mean he wants to cut taxes on the wealthy?
    But it DID help the middle class, taxes were lowered tremendously!
    How did he make it harder for veterans to find jobs?
    And that doesn't help! Giving communities money only hurts them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ4lnDy2xnQ
    What programs were they? How would they help?
    Neighborworks isn't run by the government, he has no power over it, I have no idea where you got something like that.

    2: He said this before, he didn't want to tell people how dangerous it was because of panic.
    Perhaps you have a point with the masks, however, this still does not make his efforts to travel ban the virus early on bad.
    What's wrong with protesting lockdowns? They don't work, hurt your liberties, and destroy your economy!
    Censored? What? Can you give a source?
    What inaccurate information was known at the time to be inaccurate was given?

    3: This is kind of irrelevant, by immigration I was talking about illegal immigration.

    4: The Budget still went up, meaning more funding for Nasa.

    5: So what if Solomani was an important diplomat? The fact is that he killed 1000's of American lives, I also noticed you ignored the rest of my argument.

    I noticed that for every argument you seemed to avoid the point, please address them, disprove the economic growth caused by cutting regulations and taxes, disprove that the budget didn't go up with Nasa, disprove that fewer illegal immigrants came in, and disprove that Trump didn't save thousands of American lives with his travel bans, as for Solomani, I'm not sure what you were trying to do in that argument, what point you were trying to push.
    You made your arguments of how trump helped the; Economy, Pandemic, Immigration, Nasa and the middle east and so I replied with my arguments on how he caused major problems in all of the same areas. the truth is that trump only seeks to help the upper-class American born people and anyone else is 'not his problem'
    He creates tax cuts for the rich so he doesn't have to pay as much and in doing so publically funded organisation which help those in need do not receive the money they require. He underprepared his country for a global pandemic and killed thousands of people to avoid hurting big business. Families are broken up at the border and many asylum seekers who are escaping from war zones are given a similar lack of mercy at the gate to the free world'. The budget went up for NASA but not where we really needed. Trump is more worried about beating other countries to mars or privatizing the space industry than protecting our own planet from global warming. 

    Debater123CYDdhartaTreeMan
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1287 Pts   -  
    No.
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  
    @Starlord616 By the way, Trump cut taxes across the board, not just the upper class, so this doesn't prove how he is biased 'for himself'. How did he underprepared the country? Did the travel bans not help, experts like Fauci say they do. Actually, Trump ended the family separation thing, you can thank him for that. Entry should be given to those who enter through the gate, not go around. If I am from Brazil, I can claim that I was subject to drug cartels, and be let in, this is a highly exploitable system that was restricted under President Trump. Listen,  I'm all for people coming to the US, just in a way that is legal and accountable.
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  
    @AlofRI Why do you say that?




  • AlofRIAlofRI 1287 Pts   -  
    George Washington would say the same ......... because he could not tell a lie.  :grin:
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  
    @AlofRI How did George Washington get into this? Can you please tell me why you believe Trump was not good?
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1287 Pts   -   edited February 19
    @debater123
    I guess the story of Washington chopping down his father's cherry tree and admitting it because "I cannot tell a lie.", is too old for you. He would OBVIOUSLY think Rump was a bad president. (Actually, he WASN'T a "president" IMO!

    Someone said Rump knew how to run a business. No, he knew how to get money, and how to keep it .. for a while. Good example: This week Atlantic city imploded his Trump Taj Mahal! He built it with little of his own money a Times investigation found. He shifted personal debts TO his Casinos leaving the burden of his failures on investors and others who gambled on his success ... THEY lost THEIR money. Just like those who invested in his "University"!  He's a CON ARTIST! Nothing more! He's conned many into paying his legal fees with the suggestion he will be back! (perish the thought!) He's being investigated like the MOB BOSS he is! He thought he could con the world as "president". He just conned the United States of America! Hopefully, the states he wanted to take care of themselves, will take care of HIM ... and put him where he belongs!
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -   edited February 19
    @AlofRI You didn't answer my question, why was Trump a bad president? You seem to be focusing more on him as an individual rather than his policy and what he's done/achieved.
  • @Debater123

    First, tell me if you own land in the United States of America as a qualification make even make witness account of a man being President? This is a vote without the prejudice of crime as its creator set as a common defense to the general welfare of justice for all. So, do you have a "Deed" of ownership to Land In the United States of America? As President is a display of constitutional representation which creates a state of the union that can be described as holding all men equal when demonstrated the state of the union correctly.

    Not just white Americans but all men, the grievance that is to be proven before the democratic intervention was set on racial prejudice alone. Which is not argued to have been a legal issue outside of the crime of a female President. The method of the vote that has been created in the United States of America is strictly by its own creation set on the job and title of Exsecutive officers and not a President of the United States. Though very possibly embasing to the conflicting voiced opinion of educational institutions and Congress not in itself self-evidently truth.
    Debater123
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -   edited February 19
    @John_C_87 Why do I need to own land to say that he was a president?

    I think you should try addressing the prompt on whether or not he was a good President for the United States.
  • @Debater123
    You need to own land in America to vote on if any man is a President of the American constitutional united states.
    I cannot my self bear witness that he was a President of the United States of America as demonstrated by his abilities while in Exsecutive office this however does not in any way interfere with his abilities as a man to become President of the United States while out of Exsecutive office.

    Do you own deed on land in the United States of America?

    Gees nothing like a united state held in a republic to make a guy sound like a bureaucrat.
    Debater123
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1287 Pts   -  
    @Debater123

    26,000+ verifiable lies to the American people ... and others. The secret, non-recorded meetings with our enemies. Insults and abuse of our allies. Tax "reductions" for the middle class (advertised as YUGE), but were 80% for the rich. A YUGE rescue package for people hurt by a coronavirus, while doing away with all "watchdog" or "oversight" agencies ... after which we find we have over 50 new BILLIONAIRES (and after he is heard telling his friends at Mara Lago "I just made you guys a lot richer!" He spent over 330 days, nearly a YEAR, playing GOLF (when he wasn't watching television or tweeting)! He does nothing but "give a name" to his pandemic show, then leaves everything up to the states (so HE won't get blamed if anything goes wrong!  (it DID!). He covered up for the murder of an American citizen (butchering, actually) by one of HIS friends (certainly not a "friend to America!). He lied about the severity of the virus to the American people (and it's all recorded), while he did NOTHING to slow it! He ignored climate change, which is found to be serious by every other country. He recommended drinking Chlorox. He demanded loyalty by NDA's from people who were SUPPOSED to be loyal to the Constitution and the American people. He used the AG as a personal lawyer that was supposed to be OUR lawyer. He broke every law in the book about making money off of his presidency from other countries and organizations. He gave cabinet positions to people who supported him monetarily ... and were not, in large part "vetted" or given the necessary security clearance! 

    That's about 10% of my "addressing the prompt on whether or not he was a good [president]". An Executive Order is NOT passing a bill or making a law. They are mostly temporary rules that eventually have to be run through Congress and The Senate. Was ANYTHING he did actually passed?? Hopefully, the states and other jurisdictions will be correcting the mess he made, and the laws he broke. He was NOT a good president, he was not a president at all. He was a "Don". A gangster. Time to pay the piper.
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -   edited February 19
    @John_C_87 ;
    I do not need to vote nor own land to have an opinion on him. Also, please respond to the prompt.

    @AlofRI
    As we've already pretty much covered everything else, let's talk about his policy which you don't like.

    Actually, only 32% of the tax cuts went to the rich, and tax cuts for the rich aren't actually bad, believe it or not. Aren't 50 new billionaires good? Doesn't that show that people are getting richer? 
    Perhaps he leaves everything to the states because situations vary, by the time people were calling for a national shut-down West Virginia didn't have a single recorded case.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/ (sorry for not having the 2020 numbers) His 'ignoring of climate change' actually hasn't done much, emotions have stagnated essentially.
    He actually didn't cover up that the reporter had been killed, he just doubted the crown prince's involvement.
    He lied about the severity in order to avoid panic. Also, he actually did do a ton to slow the spread of the virus, for example. the travel ban which he did actually saved thousands upon thousands of American lives. 
    He didn't recommend drinking Chlorox, I saw what he said, he didn't ask anyone to drink bleach.
    What is wrong with NDAs?
    What money did he get from other countries? All I heard about was the soccer ball(where Putin gave him one for his children) scandal but that's about it.

    I'd also personally love it if you would respond to my main argument.
    AlofRICYDdharta
  • @Debater123

    I did address the prompt, are you qualified to vote on  Exsecutive officer Trump was a President of the United States of America? I understand why any person would think they are qualified it is due to the principle of discrimination created around the legal precedent set by the creation of a president of the United States of America. States of the union required land and to in general be men some states specified white though the union made by states didn't.
    We can debate by arguing if states could by basic principle eliminate voters by describing them as P.O.W.'s sold or indentured servants to citizens of the united states. 




  • AlofRIAlofRI 1287 Pts   -   edited February 20
    @Debater123
    There comes a time when butting your head against a wall gets you nowhere. We disagree. If you want a Don for president again, you have my ... sympathy.
    Debater123
  • @AlofRI
    Do you own land as a citizen of American?
    It is not impossible for a Don to create a united state that can be proven as constitutional preservation just as easy as an Ilian woman can be voted as a Presadra having disguised herself as creating a united state holding all woman as created equal. The basic issue is if a Don must be Italian...or not. My understanding is they must be. Italian and a person man or women can be born an American Italian citizen.

    @Debater123
    Don't get upset please, at one point in history the qualification of voting for an Exsecutive officer of the United States and Present of the United States had been without a doubt a united state itself that is true. You do not need to humor us as if you qualify to a legal precedent once set for President.
    AlofRI
  • These are just a few ways that Trump was an amazing president


    1. Judges: Trump has appointed two Supreme Court justices, 53 federal appellate judges, and 146 District Court judges (as well as two judges for the Court of International Trade) who have been confirmed by the Senate so far. In addition, 64 more have been appointed and are awaiting Senate confirmation. All of them are committed to interpreting the Constitution and laws according to the original meaning of the words, rather than according to what a modern liberal judge thinks the law should have said.


    2. Historic tax cuts and deregulation: After eight years of high unemployment and meager growth under President Obama’s administration, the Trump tax cuts of 2017 and Trump’s extensive canceling of excessive government regulations on businesses have given a tremendous boost to the American economy. An estimated 25,000 pages of regulations have been canceled, resulting in a savings of $3,100 per household per year. Another result of tax cuts combined with deregulation has been the addition of thousands of new jobs, so that unemployment (before the coronavirus crisis) fell to the lowest point in 50 years, and unemployment among African-American and Hispanic workers was the lowest it has ever been in history.On election day, 2016 (11-8-16), the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 18,332.74. This afternoon (8-28-20 at 2:44 PM) it stands at 28,618.39 which is an increase of 56% in 3 ½ years, even including several months of the coronavirus epidemic. This is remarkable.These economic changes affect ordinary people’s everyday lives, not just wealthy people. Tens of thousands of people who were unemployed have recovered the dignity of steady employment (including getting paid during the coronavirus crisis). Millions of ordinary Americans whose retirement savings are partially invested in the stock market (including my wife and me) are finally receiving some protection and even growth in their savings.


    3. Building a stronger U.S. military: Reversing the massive budget cuts that had seriously weakened our military under the Obama administration, President Trump has increased military spending by nearly $150 billion per year from $605 billion in 2016 to $750 billion, steadily rebuilding U.S. military readiness.


    4. Protecting unborn babies: Numerous executive orders have increasingly restricted government funding for abortions (such as the reinstatement of the Mexico City policy). On February 22, 2019, the Trump administration announced that it would not allow organizations that provide referrals for abortions to receive federal family-planning money, which implies a cut in funding for Planned Parenthood (the nation’s largest abortion provider) unless they perform abortions in a separate facility and not refer patients to it. And on May 2, 2019, the Trump administration’s Department Of Health And Human Services issued a new rule protecting healthcare workers who decline on the basis of conscience or religious conviction to participate in procedures such as abortion or assisted suicide. Trump was the first president ever to personally attend the pro-life March for Life in Washington, DC on January 24, 2020.


    5. Expanding educational freedom: President Trump appointed Betsy DeVos, one of America’s leading advocates for greater school choice, to be Secretary of Education, resulting in rising support for charter schools, taxpayer-funded vouchers, and tax credits for private-school vouchers, programs aimed at expanding options for parents looking beyond traditional public schools as she brings attention to them.


    6. Standing with Israel: Reversing President Obama’s repeated marginalization and shunning of Israel, President Trump has reaffirmed our commitment to support and defend Israel. He decisively moved the United States Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. He recognized the Golan Heights as part of Israel. He has welcomed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House several times and has repeatedly reaffirmed our support for Israel.

    7. Negotiating a historic agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates: On August 13, 2020, President Trump announced that Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had come to a historic agreement to establish full diplomatic relations between the two countries, including the establishment of permanent embassies and the beginning of direct airline flights between the two countries. This is important because Dubai, the largest city in the UAE, is the leading financial center in the Middle East and plays a leading role in world air travel and tourism. The agreement will “strengthen regional checks on Iranian power.” It also has the potential to set a pattern for future agreements establishing peaceful relations between Israel and other Arab countries in the Middle East.


    8. Actually building a border wall: President Trump has relentlessly battled against Democratic stonewalling and liberal federal judges to build an effective, secure border wall along more than 200 miles of our southern border, and it could possibly reach as much as 450 miles by the end of 2020. Critics object that most of this construction is simply replacing old barriers that were already in place, but they fail to recognize that the government’s first priority has been to secure the highest traffic areas, and in many of those areas the old fence was not up to the job. An effective border wall is absolutely necessary to keep our nation secure and to gain some control over an immigration crisis that has spiraled out of control. It won’t stop all illegal immigration, but eventually it will likely stop over 95% of people who try to enter on foot. This is important, because once the American people feel that the border is secure, it will be much easier to gain the political consensus necessary for a humane and just solution regarding the undocumented immigrants who are already here, and for widespread support for the legal entry of large numbers of immigrants who will contribute much of value to this great nation.


    9. Comprehensive immigration reform proposals: President Trump has proposed and worked for sensible, comprehensive reform of our broken immigration system that would change our policy on legal immigration from a system based on extended family connections and randomness to a system based on merit, so that we prioritize admitting people who will be most likely to contribute positively to American society (as well as those who are escaping from genuine threats to their lives in their homelands).


    10. Religious freedom and freedom of conscience: President Trump’s administration has repeatedly and continually worked to defend religious freedom, and his Justice Department has defended religious freedom in numerous court cases, such as supporting the case of Colorado cake designer Jack Phillips at the Supreme Court (Phillips faced massive fines for politely declining to design a cake celebrating a same-sex wedding), and the right of faith-based organizations not to be forced to provide access to abortifacients through their health care plans, overturning the Obamacare HHS regulation that had forced them to do so. In addition, in the first year of Trump’s presidency, the Department of Justice issued a strongly-worded, 25-page memorandum detailing exceptionally strong protections for religious liberty.


    11. Withdrawing from Paris climate accord: President Trump wisely and decisively removed United States from the Paris climate accord, a radical environmentalist program which, according to a Heritage Foundation study, would have brought massive increases to U.S. energy prices with no statistically significant benefit to the environment. Doubling or tripling of U.S. energy costs (as under the Paris climate accord, according to the Heritage Foundation) would have harmed the poor most of all as they spend the highest portion of their budgets on energy. In addition, it would have cost America more than 206,000 jobs by 2040.


    12. Energy production and energy independence: President Trump gave approval to the Keystone pipeline, the Dakota access pipeline, and oil production from the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, a vast uninhabited region which could produce up to 20 percent of our petroleum needs. His administration has also granted more permits for mining of oil, gas, and coal from federal lands. The result has been lower energy prices (which benefits everyone) and also U.S. energy independence so that we are now becoming the leading exporter rather than a net importer of energy.


    13. Waterways of the U.S.: The Trump administration’s decision to abandon the “waterways of the U.S.” policy rightfully returned control of water on private lands to the owners of those lands, rather than the federal government seizing control over nearly all waterways in the United States. These rules have hindered farmers, ranchers, and developers. American Farm Bureau Chairman Zippy Duvall praised the action, saying: “Farmers and ranchers care about clean water and preserving the land, which are essential to producing healthy food and fiber and ensuring future generations can do the same. That’s why we support the new clean water rule. It provides clarity and certainty, allowing farmers to understand water regulations without having to hire teams of consultants and lawyers. We appreciate the commitment of the agencies involved and this administration to crafting a new regulation that achieves important regulatory oversight while allowing farmers to farm. Clean water, clear rules.”


    14. Halting the increase in Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards: The Trump administration decision halted the Obama-imposed harsh annual increases in projected average miles per gallon required in new cars every year. This decision will lead to more consumer choice and less expensive and safer cars, which is much better than the Democratic policy of ever-higher mileage goals, requiring ever-lighter and smaller cars, which means more dangerous cars and less consumer choice.


    15. Defeating ISIS: President Trump gave our military forces the freedom to defeat ISIS and drive them out of large sections of Iraq and Syria, which they did. This is far superior to the Democratic policy of inaction and appeasement, which had allowed ISIS to take over large areas of the Middle East. Under President Trump’s leadership, U.S. military forces located and killed ISIS founder and terrorist leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Oct. 26-27, 2019. President Trump also directed the killing of Iranian terrorist mastermind Qasem Soleimani on Jan. 2, 2020.


    16. Persuading European nations to pay more for NATO: President Trump has insisted that NATO countries start to pay their fair share of defense costs, and some NATO countries have responded by increasing their defense budgets. In 2017, five countries met the goal of spending 2% of their GDP on defense and that has now increased to nine according to the alliance’s latest budgetary data. The U.S. is set to spend over $750 billion (3.7% of GDP) on its military this year and leads the “above 2%” group, which now includes Bulgaria (3.25 percent), Greece (2.28 percent), the United Kingdom (2.14 percent), Estonia (2.14 percent), Romania (2.04 percent), Lithuania (2.03 percent), Latvia (2.01 percent) and Poland (2 percent)


    17. Protections against false accusation on college campuses: President Trump’s administration has restored many due process guidelines that universities must follow in processing title IX accusations of sexual assault on university campuses.


    18. Protecting freedom of speech on college campuses: President Trump issued an executive order giving more specific protections to freedom of speech on college campuses by threatening the loss of federal research dollars if they do not allow for free speech for all students and faculty members. On many campuses, conservative and religious students and faculty members have had their views censored or have faced retribution for expressing conservative or faith-based views


    19. Protecting boys’ and girls’ bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports teams: On February 22, 2017, President Trump directed the Department of Education to revoke the Obama-administration’s guidance letter that had directed schools to allow children who claim to be “transgender” to use the bathrooms, locker rooms, and showers of their choice, and to join sports teams of their choice, even when their choices differed from their biological sex.


    In a related decision President Trump issued an executive order banning transgender persons from entering our military forces, which would have allowed biological males free access to women’s bathrooms, locker rooms and showers, and similarly allowed biological females to enter men’s facilities. Present Trump’s order was upheld by the Supreme Court which lifted the block on the order by a 5-4 vote. While litigation will continue, the order stands for now.


    20. Negotiating new trade agreements that are more favorable to the United States: President Trump has negotiated new trade agreements with Mexico, Canada, and China, and all of them give more favorable treatment to the United States than the previous treaties did.


    21. Streamlining environmental reviews for major construction projects: In order to build a new section of highway, a new subway line, or a new gas pipeline, the necessary environmental impact statements have recently taken an average of 4.5 years, and many ran for six years or longer. These delays massively increased construction costs and delayed relief for over-congested highways for many years. But on July 15, 2020, President Trump’s White House released new guidelines limiting environmental impact studies to two years and limiting less-extensive environmental assessments to one year. The Wall Street Journal says these new rules “could literally cut thousands of years of cumulative delay” for construction projects. This will be a huge help in renewing America’s aging infrastructure.


    22. Sending weapons to Ukraine: Whereas President Obama sent only humanitarian aid, President Trump authorized the selling of actual military equipment to Ukraine, including Javelin missiles which were necessary to defend against Russian aggression.


    23. Standing up to China and Russia: Trump has been the first president to decisively denounce China’s blatant practice of industrial espionage and bullying, stealing of intellectual property, and violating international copyright protections. He has followed up with strong trade sanctions against China, an increased U.S. naval presence in the South China Sea, and the closing of the Chinese consulate in Houston, which was a center of Chinese espionage. The Trump administration has closed several Russian consulates in the U.S. and expelled over 60 Russian “diplomats” (espionage agents), issued sanctions against several Russian officials, and persuaded several European nations to increase their defenses against potential Russian invasion.


    24. Withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal: President Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal, called the Joint Comprehensive Plan for Action, which would have allowed Iran to build a nuclear bomb within the next few years.


    25. A wise COVID-19 response: President Trump imposed strict restrictions on travel from China on January 31, 2020, long before other leaders recognized the danger of this coronavirus. Then, when the COVID-19 virus began to spread rapidly within the United States, the dominant media narrative was a fear that we would run out of hospital beds to care for the sick. President Trump immediately mobilized the military to construct huge new hospital facilities in New York City and elsewhere, and soon there were enough beds. The next fear was that we would run out of ventilators. President Trump persuaded leaders of American industry to fast-track the manufacture of ventilators, and soon there were enough ventilators. Then the question was how soon to reopen buildings and meeting places, and President Trump wisely left the decision to local governors and other local officials who best know the different situations in their individual locations. President Trump wisely left the decision to local governors and other local officials who best know the different situations in their individual locations. Finally, the FDA has fast-tracked the trial and approval process for a vaccine, and the federal government has made commitments to purchase millions of vaccines from various companies as soon as they are approved for widespread use. Several promising vaccines are now in the advanced stages of testing on human subjects. The previous record for rapid FDA approval of a new vaccine was four years from initial research to final approval, but under President Trump’s leadership experts are now optimistically predicting that an FDA-approved coronavirus vaccine will be available as early as October 2020, which would be nine months from the time the outbreak of the coronavirus in Wuhan, China became known. In addition, President Trump, working with Congress, quickly passed three coronavirus relief packages, with the result that millions of Americans continued to receive pay in spite of their workplaces being temporarily closed. Unfortunately, many Democrats have decided to make the coronavirus tragedy a political issue, repeatedly criticizing President Trump’s response. With the benefit of hindsight, Monday morning quarterbacks can always claim they would have made better decisions in Sunday afternoon’s game, but they didn’t have to make instant decisions in the midst of the contest.


    26. Reforming the Department of Veterans Affairs: On June 23, 2017, President Trump signed the Veterans Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act, which gave the Secretary of Veterans Affairs streamlined authority to fire unproductive employees and to appoint new medical directors at VA hospitals. But even before that law, the Trump administration had begun to clean house, and over 500 employees were fired from the Veterans Administration in the first six months of Trump’s presidency.


    27. Criminal justice reform: President Trump signed the First Step Act on December 21, 2018.This law gives judges more flexibility in reducing mandatory sentencing guidelines in individual cases, eliminates the “three strikes” requirement of life imprisonment for some offenses, improves opportunities for academic and vocational education within prisons, provides more support for the successful reentry of released prisoners into society, and requires prisoners to be placed in prisons near their place of primary residence where possible


    28. Reducing prescription drug prices: on July 24, 2020, President Trump signed four executive orders aimed at reducing prescription drug prices. These included requiring federal health centers to make insulin and epinephrine available at massive discounts to low income persons, prohibiting secret deals between drug manufacturers and pharmacy “benefit manager” middlemen, ensuring patients directly benefit from available discounts at the pharmacy counter. Allowing more importation of prescription drugs from Canada and other countries where prices are lower, and reducing prices for Medicare Part B drugs if they are available for lower prices in other economically advanced countries.


    29. Protecting federal property from rioters: The movement that began as peaceful and well-justified protests against the murder of George Floyd was soon co-opted by the presence of lawless rioters whose goal was destruction of property by looting and arson that began in Minneapolis and soon spread to Seattle, Portland, Chicago, New York, and other cities. In contrast to the weak Democratic mayors and governors who adopted a policy of appeasement that only encouraged more violence and even resulted in the burning of a police station in Minneapolis, President Trump announced in Washington, DC that any destruction of federal statues and monuments would result in fines up to $10,000, and suddenly the attacks on these statues came to an abrupt halt. When rioters threatened to destroy the U.S. courthouse in Portland, and the governor and the mayor were not protecting this federal property, President Trump sent in federal officers learn to protect it, which they did. The courthouse was not destroyed and the slightly over 100 U.S. marshals and DHS officers inside the building were protected until eventually the mayor of Portland sent local and state police to protect the building. According to the 1807 Insurrection Act, the president has the legal authority to take any measures (including deploying federal troops or other law enforcement officials) necessary to suppress any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, even without an invitation or permission from the governor of the state in which that federal property is located. An example of this happened in 1957 when President Dwight Eisenhower sent federal troops into Arkansas, over the objections of Governor Orval Faubus, to enforce federal school desegregation orders and protect African-American schoolchildren from a mob that had gathered to stop them outside Central High School in Little Rock. In a further response to the violence threatening many of our cities, President Trump’s Department of Justice has now launched Operation Legend, in which over 1000 additional federal agents have been dispatched to work alongside local law enforcement officers in nine cities to apprehend the most violent instigators of these riots. They have now located and arrested 1485 suspects for violent crimes, including 90 homicides.



    AlofRICYDdhartaDebater123
  • @ConservativeGirl0519
    President of the United States, or Exsecutive officer

    "These are just a few ways that Trump was an amazing president."

    President and Exsecutive officer these are two descriptions as job duties, not one.
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87 You didn't address the prompt, never, did I hear these words or something similar of it from you: "Donald Trump was/wasn't a good president for the United States of America". Also, please answer this question, why should I not be allowed to have an opinion or express that opinion based on whether or not I can vote. 
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 1751 Pts   -   edited February 21
    I didn't really like Trump as a President much, to begin with. But what really made me go off him completely was his handling of the Covid Crisis. Now, I understand that because this is a novel virus every country was bound to make some mistakes to a certain extent. But nothing compares to the lousy attitude of Trump that resulted in thousands of covid related deaths that could have been avoided. I am also reminded of Dr. Anthony Fauci stating in the middle of last year that there would be about 100, 000 cases a day by the winter, and guess what; he was right. At a certain point in this crisis, the Trump administration was not following the best scientific medical advice and was making decisions in favor of the economy at the expense of millions of lives; technically that is mass murder! I don't care how you spin it; that literally is genocide!

    It is for that reason I conclude that Trump was not only one of the worst presidents in the US but in the history of mankind, and all other presidents that ended up either directly or indirectly causing genocide amongst their own people.








    Debater123



  • @Debater123
      
    I have told you I can witness he was an Exsecutive Officer it is unclear if I have a right to vote for a President of the United States of America or even if that job is still part of the state of the union to create all men equal by their creator. Didn't say you cannot have an opinion, I asked are you qualified by any original precedent to vote on the abilities of President of the united state of constitutional America. I have confessed to my participation in perjury as it relates to elections with a woman as President. Perjury sacrifices a person of their right to vote I understand the perjury that took place and the level it was on Exsecutive officer both candidates had not run for P{resdient of the United States of America only exsecutive officers.
    Debater123
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1425 Pts   -  
    I didn't really like Trump as a President much, to begin with. But what really made me go off him completely was his handling of the Covid Crisis. Now, I understand that because this is a novel virus every country was bound to make some mistakes to a certain extent. But nothing compares to the lousy attitude of Trump that resulted in thousands of covid related deaths that could have been avoided. I am also reminded of Dr. Anthony Fauci stating in the middle of last year that there would be about 100, 000 cases a day by the winter, and guess what; he was right. At a certain point in this crisis, the Trump administration was not following the best scientific medical advice and was making decisions in favor of the economy at the expense of millions of lives; technically that is mass murder! I don't care how you spin it; that literally is genocide!

    It is for that reason I conclude that Trump was not only one of the worst presidents in the US but in the history of mankind, and all other presidents that ended up either directly or indirectly causing genocide amongst their own people.


    Why would you try to blame the failures of Dem governors on Pres. Trump?
    Debater123
  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87 Then if you are not questioning my opinion on whether or not he was good, I see no reason to further this conversation unless you inform me of your opinion on whether or not he was a good president and/or upheld the duties of his office to a good or bad standard.
  • CYDdharta said:
    I didn't really like Trump as a President much, to begin with. But what really made me go off him completely was his handling of the Covid Crisis. Now, I understand that because this is a novel virus every country was bound to make some mistakes to a certain extent. But nothing compares to the lousy attitude of Trump that resulted in thousands of covid related deaths that could have been avoided. I am also reminded of Dr. Anthony Fauci stating in the middle of last year that there would be about 100, 000 cases a day by the winter, and guess what; he was right. At a certain point in this crisis, the Trump administration was not following the best scientific medical advice and was making decisions in favor of the economy at the expense of millions of lives; technically that is mass murder! I don't care how you spin it; that literally is genocide!

    It is for that reason I conclude that Trump was not only one of the worst presidents in the US but in the history of mankind, and all other presidents that ended up either directly or indirectly causing genocide amongst their own people.


    Why would you try to blame the failures of Dem governors on Pres. Trump?

    Why would you try to blame the failures of Pres. Trump on the Dem governors?







  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1425 Pts   -  

    Why would you try to blame the failures of Pres. Trump on the Dem governors?


    I wouldn't
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 1751 Pts   -   edited February 21
    CYDdharta said:Why would you try to blame the failures of Dem governors on Pres. Trump?
    I wouldn't.

    Two can play that game buddy.




  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1425 Pts   -   edited February 21
    ZeusAres42 said:

    CYDdharta said:Why would you try to blame the failures of Dem governors on Pres. Trump?
    I wouldn't.

    Two can play that game buddy.


    Except that you did.

    You're not very good at this.



  • CYDdharta said:

    Why would you try to blame the failures of Pres. Trump on the Dem governors?


    I wouldn't

    Except that you did.

    You're not very good at this, are you? You most definitely don't understand the concept of reductio ad consequentia do you?



  • The demonstration of ability as President of the United States is not a matter of opinion. I do not see that the voters place a President of the United States in the Exsecutive office.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1425 Pts   -  

     You most definitely don't understand the concept of reductio ad consequentia do you?

    Of course I do, that's why I replied in this thread in the first place.  You most definitely don't understand the concept of self-own, do you?
    ZeusAres42
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 1751 Pts   -   edited February 21
    CYDdharta said:

     You most definitely don't understand the concept of reductio ad consequentia do you?

    Of course I do, that's why I replied in this thread in the first place.  You most definitely don't understand the concept of self-own, do you?

    If you say so. I've only been replying to you right now just to toy with you as I am a little drunk and a bit bored. With a clear head, I probably wouldn't give you the time of day. I used to think you were a decent and reasonable person. Oh boy, how wrong was I eh? And by your own admission, you've just proved you have no idea what reductio ad consequentia means at all. And the irony is that I am the one that doesn't understand the concept of self-own; perhaps I'm living in a parallel world? 

    FYI, Reductio ad consequentia has nothing to do with posting a debate and then reciprocating to that debate. Reductio Ad Consequentia is the use of a rule to support a position without realizing that the same rule would require that support for other positions. The point of Reductio Ad Consequentia is to demonstrate that the rule being made is problematic, and at worst, invalid. But you of course already know this like you already know everything; satire!

    The grandiosity that you're emanating speaks volumes! No glimmer of self-awareness whatsoever. Anyway, good night little boy.



    CYDdharta



  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1425 Pts   -  

    If you say so. I've only been replying to you right now just to toy with you as I am a little drunk and a bit bored. With a clear head, I probably wouldn't give you the time of day. I used to think you were a decent and reasonable person. Oh boy, how wrong was I eh? And by your own admission, you've just proved you have no idea what reductio ad consequentia means at all. And the irony is that I am the one that doesn't understand the concept of self-own; perhaps I'm living in a parallel world? 

    FYI, Reductio ad consequentia has nothing to do with posting a debate and then reciprocating to that debate. Reductio Ad Consequentia is the use of a rule to support a position without realizing that the same rule would require that support for other positions. The point of Reductio Ad Consequentia is to demonstrate that the rule being made is problematic, and at worst, invalid. But you of course already know this like you already know everything; satire!

    The grandiosity that you're emanating speaks volumes! No glimmer of self-awareness whatsoever. Anyway, good night little boy.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, "No glimmer of self-awareness whatsoever." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Post more garbage about how Pres. Trump is responsible for all of the China virus deaths while whining about "Reductio ad consequentia".

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    ZeusAres42
  • TreeManTreeMan 95 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta ;
    oh, you racist pig, Biden comes into office and coronavirus cases instantly start to decline

    BTW in a study done by Australia into how well each country dealt with covid, the US came second last

    think that’s very good?

    even India, which is quite poor, did better than the US

    So did the EU, and it’s not doing well either
  • TreeManTreeMan 95 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta ;
    oh, you racist pig, Biden comes into office and coronavirus cases instantly start to decline

    BTW in a study done by Australia into how well each country dealt with covid, the US came second last

    think that’s very good?

    even India, which is quite poor, did better than the US

    So did the EU, and it’s not doing well either




  • TreeManTreeMan 95 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta ;
    oh, you racist pig, Biden comes into office and coronavirus cases instantly start to decline

    BTW in a study done by Australia into how well each country dealt with covid, the US came second last

    think that’s very good?

    even India, which is quite poor, did better than the US

    So did the EU, and it’s not doing well either
    ZeusAres42CYDdharta
  • TreeManTreeMan 95 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta ;
    oh, you racist pig, Biden comes into office and coronavirus cases instantly start to decline

    BTW in a study done by Australia into how well each country dealt with covid, the US came second last

    think that’s very good?

    even India, which is quite poor, did better than the US

    So did the EU, and it’s not doing well either
    ZeusAres42CYDdharta
  • SonofasonSonofason 296 Pts   -   edited February 21
    Biden has absolutely nothing to do with the decline in Corona virus.
    Debater123
  • anarchist100anarchist100 332 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
    What does?
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 1751 Pts   -   edited February 26
    TreeMan said:
    @CYDdharta ;
    oh, you racist pig, Biden comes into office and coronavirus cases instantly start to decline

    BTW in a study done by Australia into how well each country dealt with covid, the US came second last

    think that’s very good?

    even India, which is quite poor, did better than the US

    So did the EU, and it’s not doing well either

    Oh, you need not look any further than worldometers to see the comparison between India and the US. India is a huge population in comparison to the USA and the US is still ranked the number 1 in terms of cases and deaths. That kind of speaks volumes. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Anyway, in before this guy comes at you with a whole load of rubbish and then asserts he's just giving you facts.

    CYDdharta



  • Debater123Debater123 407 Pts   -   edited February 21
    @TreeMan
    A. All faults of the US during Covid lead back to regional rather than federal leadership.

    B. Cases were dropping even before Biden's inauguration, quite dramatically, in fact, Biden, who was not even President at the time, was somehow responsible for cases dropping.
    ZeusAres42
  • @TreeMan
    A. All faults of the US during Covid lead back to regional rather than federal leadership.

    B. Cases were dropping even before Biden's inauguration, quite dramatically, in fact, Biden, who was not even President at the time, was somehow responsible for cases dropping.


    That's not entirely correct. While even governors did play a part in this pandemic there were also many decisions made by the Trump administration that lead to harm being done. This was also highlighted live by Dr. Anthonthy Fauci but in a more diplomatic way. The Trump administration was slow to act and did make avoidable mistakes as also highlighted by Dr. Anthonthy Fauci along with many other medical experts. Eventually, Trump at one point did yield to this medical advice but by then it was too late.



  • SonofasonSonofason 296 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
    What does?
    It doesn't matter what does, so long as you understand that Biden doesn't
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