Should it be illegal to question the Covid vaccine?

Happy_Killbot

It should be illegal to dress up like an old person to get the vaccine early. Also disposing of or tampering with them, or replacing them with anything else, or telling people they contain some kind of brain controlling parasite that will turn everyone into a zombie and bring back Jesus and Muhammad so they can star in a reality TV show.

anarchist100

@Happy_Killbot
So are you saying yes?

Happy_Killbot

@anarchist100 ;

ZeusAres42

@Happy_Killbot

It really is nice when people like you and plaff and others come to this forum. But it appears to be a rare occurrence these days. 

Starlord616

yes of course you can question it but it should be compulsory to have the vaccine nontheless

xlJ_dolphin_473

@Starlord616
I think no one should be forced to have the vaccine, but if you have the vaccine you aren't allowed to go to public places like restaurants, bars, cinemas etc. It is impossible to physically force someone to be vaccinated, but what is possible is to deny them certain privileges if they don't have the vaccine. This is what the UK is doing, with 'vaccine passports'.

anarchist100

@Starlord616
But I don't want to get vaccinated, My Body My Choice.

piloteer

Starlord616 said:

yes of course you can question it but it should be compulsory to have the vaccine nontheless

Because making the vaccine mandatory will convince vaccine skeptics to get vaccinated, right? Because it seems that you think we should just forego any engaging with vaccine skeptics and just go straight to enforcement. Or do you think it may actually be possible to convince the vast majority of the population to willfully get vaccinated and we reach herd protection without any mandate? As of now, there are no plans for any federal government entities to institute a mandate on covid vaccinations, so why do you think we should have one?    

ZeusAres42

piloteer said:

Starlord616 said:

yes of course you can question it but it should be compulsory to have the vaccine nontheless

Because making the vaccine mandatory will convince vaccine skeptics to get vaccinated, right? 

@Piloteer

I object your honor. That is a leading question.

piloteer

@ZeusAres42

Sorry. I shouldn't have lead with a question. It's a little too aggressive.   

anarchist100

@xlJ_dolphin_473
They have no right to do this. They don't own us!

Starlord616

anarchist100 said:

@xlJ_dolphin_473
They have no right to do this. They don't own us!

Representative John Franklin Farnsworth was a soldier in the Union Army, a Republican member of Congress, and a lawyer. In debating the Reconstruction Acts of 1867, readmitting Southern states into the Union, he said: “The first duty of the Government is to afford protection to its citizens.”
(protection from a pandemic)

anarchist100

@Starlord616
He can say all he likes, the government doesn't know what's best for me and it doesn't care either way.

xlJ_dolphin_473

@anarchist100
There has to be a balance between freedom to and freedom from - for example, leaded petrol being banned is probably a good thing, because although corporations said it was safe, the Government later found out this wasn't the case. There is a trade-off between safety and freedom, and a large part of political debate is about how far this trade-off should go. Simply saying 'but they can't do that!' proves nothing, as it is an unsupported assertion.

John_C_87

Starlord616

“The first duty of the governing is to afford protection of its citizens”

It is a slight misinterpretation of the understandings of the responsibilities that are undertaken by those who legislate the process of regulation as an act to politics. Restriction, constriction, and limitation are a part of governing so the lack of representation in the legal matters created are the constant threat.

AlofRI

I understand, back in the time of Jesus, they put lepers on an island or some other place no one would go. I think those who don't give a damn if they infect others "because they have rights" should be handled the same way. We put dangerous criminals in prison so they don't harm the rest of us and they no longer have "certain rights". They are a danger to the majority and should be treated as such. People who insist they have a right to ignore a life-saving vaccine IGNORE the rights of others to be protected from THEM! 

Back to one of my favorite quotes: "A people who values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." D. D. Eisenhower.  A PERSON who holds his/her privileges (rights) above the lives of others should live on an island somewhere and be kept away from the general population .... so they can enjoy their "rights"! (And WE can enjoy ours).

anarchist100

@AlofRI
So you're for the idea of putting anti-vaxxers in prison I suppose? And if so do you admit to the fact that you oppose freedom of speech?

AlofRI

No. anarchist100 said:

@AlofRI
So you're for the idea of putting anti-vaxxers in prison I suppose? And if so do you admit to the fact that you oppose freedom of speech?

 No. "Anti-vaxxers" are people who believe the dumb stories from dumb people, and some, I admit, KNOW the stories of ill-advised government experiments of long ago. It's a shame because they destroyed trust. However, that was then, this is now. People are dying by a half-million IN THIS COUNTRY ALONE!. We have someone we can believe in now. We have to put our trust in SOMEONE, SOMETHING, and science is IT! We HAVE to stop believing dumb stories or people who have proven that they only think of themselves, like Moscow Mitch, or Cancun Cruz, or Gulag Graham, etc. The vaccines are coming out, they've proven themselves around the world (unlike those mentioned before :-), and we have to think of those AROUND us ... or not, if you happen to be a Trumper and/or anarchist. When "Operation Warp Speed got some "management", it started to bring the bad numbers DOWN. Anti-vaxxers (and anarchists) should look at REALITY! They should consider those AROUND THEM! Principle before privileges! Americans for Americans! As YOU said, for the common good! Isn't it time you practiced what you preach, and did what is best "for the common good"!?

anarchist100

@AlofRI
Rulers don't care about the common good, "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule" -H.L. Mencken

UnknownArtist

I'm sorry, but why should I be exempt from school because I don't want to have unknown chemicals ejected into my body? Why should I not be allowed to go places because I disagree with something? I should be able to live my life how I want to without being affected by people who are afraid to live. You don't see people who disagree with vaccines/masking saying "hey you're not allowed in here because you're vaccinated/wearing a mask". I don't make you comply with my beliefs, you shouldn't make me comply with yours. 

Dee

@UnknownArtist

I'm sorry, but why should I be exempt from school because I don't want to have unknown chemicals ejected into my body?

Because you might infect someone 


 Why should I not be allowed to go places because I disagree with something? 

Because you might infect someone

I should be able to live my life how I want to without being affected by people who are afraid to live. 

You should once you’re not a threat to others. People aren’t afraid to live you i-d-i -o-t they’re afraid to die 

You don't see people who disagree with vaccines/masking saying "hey you're not allowed in here because you're vaccinated/wearing a mask". 

I don’t think people would want to mix with unvaccinated i-d-i-o-t-s like you so you’re pretty safe there

I don't make you comply with my beliefs, you shouldn't make me comply with yours. 

Because you’re putting others lives at risk you i-d-I-o-t , it takes a special kind of f-o-o-l to attack those trying to save lives , bet you will whistle a different tune if your family end up dying from it or will you just say “ hey well I showed them I didn’t get vaccinated” 

ScienceRules

Shouldn't be illegal of course. You've got a mouth, you've got a brain therefore you can question it. But that must be logical enough and not be something based upon Bible.