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Creation: God Wins

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Debate about Creation, Was God the creator or are we lucky to be made accidently? 
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Rounds: 3

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  • Round 1 | Position: For
    NoahFlynnNoahFlynn 86 Pts   -  
    I believe God created not just earth, but the whole universe, for many reasons here's a few, the Bible say's that God created the earth in 6 days, and the Bible, has been proven to be scientifically correct, also we see evidence of a creator today, all around us, and also because Evolution just isn't possible. Disclaimer: I am not trying to make you believe in God, I am just showing you the great evidence for a creator. and that I believe this to be true.
    Happy_KillbotDeeLuigi7255Keal303NXQ3Plaffelvohfen
  • Round 1 | Position: Against
    Keal303NXQ3Keal303NXQ3 55 Pts   -  
    This debate has been debated over and over many times. 

    I am arguing in favor of the theory of Evolution and against Creationism (any forms).

    -the Bible say's that God created the earth in 6 days, and the Bible, has been proven to be scientifically correct,

    Laughably false. The age of the earth is approximately 4.54 billion years old, plus or minus 50 million years, according to nationalgeographic.org (https://www.nationalgeographic.org/topics/resource-library-age-earth/?q=&page=1&per_page=25). Many pieces of evidence have supported this claim, namely, fossils, minerals, and rocks. All of these have been calculated using the aforementioned techniques. For example, a fossil of an organism dating 4 billion years old, according to space.com (https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html), "When life arose is still under debate, especially because some early fossils can appear as natural rock forms. Some of the earliest forms of life have been found in Western Australia, as announced in a 2018 study (https://www.livescience.com/63386-oldest-microfossils-strelley-pool.html); the researchers found tiny filaments in 3.4-billion-year-old rocks that could be fossils. Other studies suggest that life originated even earlier (https://www.space.com/39176-oldest-known-fossils.html). Hematite tubes in volcanic rock in Quebec could have included microbes between 3.77 and 4.29 billion years ago. Researchers looking at rocks in southwestern Greenland also saw cone-like structures that could have surrounded microbial colonies some 3.7 billion years ago." Another example is also from space.com (https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html), "Research groups in Australia found the oldest mineral grains on Earth. These tiny zirconium silicate crystals have ages that reach 4.3 billion years, making them the oldest materials found on Earth so far (https://www.livescience.com/43584-earth-oldest-rock-jack-hills-zircon.html). Their source rocks have not yet been found. The rocks and zircons set a lower limit on the age of Earth of 4.3 billion years because the planet itself must be older than anything that lies on its surface." 

    The Bible isn't a scientific book and just because one event in the book is proven to be correct, doesn't mean all the other events mentioned are correct. Affirming so would lead you into a fallacy of Composition, which according to wikipedia.org states, 

    "when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole. A trivial example might be: "This tire is made of rubber, therefore the vehicle of which it is a part is also made of rubber." This is fallacious because vehicles are made with a variety of parts, most of which are not made of rubber."

    -also we see evidence of a creator today, all around us, and also because Evolution just isn't possible.

    No support. Support this claim and expand on it.

    NoahFlynnHappy_KillbotPlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • Round 1 | Position: Against
    Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 4919 Pts   -  
    @NoahFlynn ;

    To suggest that the bible proves creationism simply begs the question as it can not be used as a source for evidence to verify the claims within. Consider that if someone writes on a napkin:


    That this same line of reasoning might be used to prove the napkin religion. This however is wrong because the fact that something claims it is truth can't be used to prove that claim.

     Rather, the claims for truth need to come from outside the proposed record. In this case, that source is the study and observation of the natural world, which blatantly contradicts a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis on basically every level. Every stream of information from Geology, astronomy, Cosmology, and biology indicates that the earth is very old and organisms evolved. This evidence is simply overwhelming.

    Now, if you are worried about what that implies for your god-beliefs, I would suggest that a metaphorical interpretation might be adopted. Genesis is not the literal creation of the natural world, but rather it is the genesis of religion and faith itself.
    NoahFlynnPlaffelvohfenOakTownA
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • Round 2 | Position: For
    NoahFlynnNoahFlynn 86 Pts   -   edited May 4
     Ok, for round two, I will give you some more evidence for a creator, then I will ask my own questions, first of all you said that "  just because one event in the book is proven to be correct, doesn't mean all the other events mentioned are correct."  and seeing that the first thing in the book of the Bible is the creation, than that means you just said yourself that creation is proved right, another thing, the Bible may not be a "Scientific book" but it has been scientifically proven to be accurate.

     Now for the evidence around us today that supports creation ( which you asked me to expand on), starting with space have you noticed that some planets are spinning different directions? If there was a Big Explosion that came from nothing "Big Bang Theory" then scientifically the planets should all be spinning the same direction, another thing, if animals evolved over millions of years, wouldn't they all die, because they wouldn't have all their necessary components, defense systems and such? 

     Now for my questions,

    How do you know there was a Big Bang?
    How can you prove that scientifically that there was a Big Bang?
    How did DNA code originate?
    How did sex originate?
    What do you mean by evolution?
    What do you mean by theory?
    How can you undeniably prove that the Big Bang Happened? (your weren't there)
    What if your wrong?  
     Answer those.

     Meanwhile the Bible has proof, notice the gospels tell of the death of Christ, written by different people, who had probably never met!
    and yet they all had the same story. We see proof of God every day, He created us, he loves us, we shouldn't  lie to, steal from, or harm His greatest creation, us. 

           


    Happy_KillbotPlaffelvohfenOakTownAKeal303NXQ3DeeLuigi7255
  • Round 2 | Position: Against
    Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 4919 Pts   -  
    @NoahFlynn ;
    "  just because one event in the book is proven to be correct, doesn't mean all the other events mentioned are correct."  and seeing that the first thing in the book of the Bible is the creation, than that means you just said yourself that creation is proved right,
    This is a non-sequitur. It does not follow from "if one event is correct  that it doesn't mean all others events are correct" to "the first thing in the bible is Genesis therefore Genesis is correct".

    Consider this logical analogy:

    p1: Bob likes vanilla ice cream.
    p2: Just because Bob like vanilla ice cream, it does not mean that he likes all other types of ice cream.
    p3: The first type of ice cream Bob ever had was chocolate ice cream

    Q: Does Bob like Chocolate ice cream?

    => You can not tell from the information provided.
    Now for the evidence around us today that supports creation ( which you asked me to expand on), starting with space have you noticed that some planets are spinning different directions? If there was a Big Explosion that came from nothing "Big Bang Theory" then scientifically the planets should all be spinning the same direction,
    It does not follow that a big bang would produce planets spinning in the same direction, why would it? After all, if you spray water into a pan of other water, you get swirling water in both directions. It is possible that some planets formed spinning in some directions, and others in opposite directions, so long as the net rotation = 0 there is no problem here.
     another thing, if animals evolved over millions of years, wouldn't they all die, because they wouldn't have all their necessary components, defense systems and such? 
    This also makes no sense, and besides most of the animals did die, that is one of the central points of evolution. Organisms which can not defend themselves or are inadequately equipped to survive die, leaving only those that are behind. Over time, only the surviving ones will continue creating organisms most apt to survive in their environment.

    Here is a question for you: Do you accept that selective breeding created all sorts of domesticated plants and animals such as dogs, dairy cows, pigs, corn, strawberries, and all of these plants shown below?



    How do you know there was a Big Bang?
    How can you prove that scientifically that there was a Big Bang?
    How can you undeniably prove that the Big Bang Happened? (your weren't there)
    We do not know there was a big bang, it is the best standing scientific theory which explains the origin of the cosmos. It is evidenced by the Cosmic microwave background (CMB) and the fact that every distant galaxy is moving away from every other galaxy due to the expansion of space-time, indicating it was in one place at some point in the distant past. These and other observable phenomena point to a big bang, so by following the evidence we might know about it.
    How did DNA code originate?
    How did sex originate?
    What do you mean by evolution?
    DNA and RNA forms naturally in the environment under the right conditions. Sex has a number of theories of how it developed, but the predominant theory is that it was evolved from mutant X chromosomes which enabled asexual organisms to share DNA, giving them a distinct survival advantage by allowing the mixing of genetic material in offspring. "Evolution" is slang for "the theory of evolution by natural selection" and basically refers to the predominant scientific theory for how life diversified on earth. It proposes that as organisms are born, only the most fit for survival live to reproduce, and the others die. Over time, this allows for the gradual change of organisms by environmental pressures, which forces diversity and resulted in the myriad of plants, bacteria, and animals seen on earth today.
    What do you mean by theory?
    A "Theory" is one of the highest classification of scientific proposals. It specifically refers to anything which has been highly supported by evidence & experimentations and never once falsified. It should not be confused with the layman's term "theory" which just means to some idea that someone thinks is true, this is not what a "theory" is in a scientific context.
    What if your wrong?  
    Since Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism are undeniably false it means that the world as we see it needs to be explained by a similar but unknown theory, and once proven wrong and why we can start work on figuring out what that theory is, becoming stronger and wiser in the process. Remember, even if science is wrong it doesn't mean that religion is right.
    Meanwhile the Bible has proof, notice the gospels tell of the death of Christ, written by different people, who had probably never met!
    and yet they all had the same story. We see proof of God every day, He created us, he loves us, we shouldn't  lie to, steal from, or harm His greatest creation, us. 
    They all conflict so we know 100% that at least 3 of the gospels are false. Also, the Quran tells about Muhamad, so why don't you accept that book as well given it has as much if not more evidence, and being as only 1 person authored it the chance of accuracy is higher?
    NoahFlynnKeal303NXQ3PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • Round 3 | Position: For
    NoahFlynnNoahFlynn 86 Pts   -  
     "The Big Bang created the world" that's what evolutionists say, here what's wrong with that.

    Physical Evidence: none
    Proof: none
    Scientifically Accurate: nope

     It's just a theory, they say that man evolved over millions of years, look at the moon, scientists discovered that the moon travels 1.48 inches away each year, if evolution was true the moon would be so much farther away, in fact it would be so far away that we would have no tide whatsoever.

     The planets are spinning in different directions, if evolution was true, then all the planets are supposed to be spinning the same direction.

     If animals Evolved over millions of year then we would fossils of those animals, but we only see fossils of animals that are the same as some of todays creatures.

    They contradict their own theory, first they say animals evolved over millions of years slowly, then they say it happens rapidly, they can't get their stories straight.

     And you will something to try and prove me wrong, but the facts are, we see more evidence for creation rather than evolution: dating methods, physical evidence, fossils, scientific evidence , and we have the Bible which lines up all these things, and when I say that there are facts for creation and that the Bible is scientifically accurate I say it because I am not the only one, scientists all over the world say that this is true, even the evolutionists! The Creation theory is more accurate has more physical and scientific evidence than any other theory out there, especially evolution.

    You can't argue with the facts, take a very close look at the theory of evolution, and then look at the facts we have today, you will see it does not match. The simple truth is Creation is the most undeniable theory out there. And once you look evolution very close, then take a close look at the Bible and compare what the bible says and the scientific evidence we see today you will see it matches in lot's of ways.




     Now I am not trying to make believe this I am simply giving you the evidence and letting make up your own mind. Thank You
    Happy_KillbotPlaffelvohfenLuigi7255
  • Round 3 | Position: Against
    Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 4919 Pts   -  
    @NoahFlynn ;
    "The Big Bang created the world" that's what evolutionists say, here what's wrong with that.

    Physical Evidence: none
    Proof: none
    Scientifically Accurate: nope
    This is an argument from ignorance. Instead of actually engaging with the topic, it simply asserts that it is wrong based on a misrepresentation of what it is. Not only is the big bang well-evidenced, it was evidence that lead to the theory in the first place, and it is undeniably a scientific theory. @NoahFlynn has no idea what s/he is talking about.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316241578_About_the_theory_of_the_Big_Bang
     It's just a theory, they say that man evolved over millions of years, look at the moon, scientists discovered that the moon travels 1.48 inches away each year, if evolution was true the moon would be so much farther away, in fact it would be so far away that we would have no tide whatsoever.
    This is an equivocation fallacy. the word "theory" in a scientific context is not the same as the word when used in a layman's context. This same title is applied to Einstein's Theory of general relativity, (which without GPS wouldn't work) and Germ theory of disease (which without most medicines wouldn't work).

    Furthermore, lets examine this moon claim. At 1.48 inches per year, that gives us 5920000000 inches total, which equates to 93,434 miles. The moon is 238,900 mi from the earth, so there is no problem here. Once again @NoahFlynn has no idea what s/he is talking about.
     The planets are spinning in different directions, if evolution was true, then all the planets are supposed to be spinning the same direction.
    This makes no sense whatsoever. Planets formed long before life did, so there is no reason that evolution would effect the rotation of the planets.

     @NoahFlynn really has no idea what s/he is talking about.
     If animals Evolved over millions of year then we would fossils of those animals, but we only see fossils of animals that are the same as some of todays creatures.
    We see lots of fossils of extinct creatures which are not around today, this is pathetic! By your very own admission, a critical examination of reality and the very existence of extinct fossils disproves creationism!
     @NoahFlynn clearly has no idea what a Tyrannosaurus Rex is.

    Did T Rex Really Have Tiny Arms  Historical Science and Creationism   Naturalis Historia

    they contradict their own theory, first they say animals evolved over millions of years slowly, then they say it happens rapidly, they can't get their stories straight.
    That is not necessarily a contradiction, as the speed of evolution could be variable based on changing evolutionary pressures. If some cataclysm forces rapid evolution, it will happen at a faster rate than when there is none.
     And you will something to try and prove me wrong, but the facts are, we see more evidence for creation rather than evolution: dating methods, physical evidence, fossils, scientific evidence , and we have the Bible which lines up all these things, and when I say that there are facts for creation and that the Bible is scientifically accurate I say it because I am not the only one, scientists all over the world say that this is true, even the evolutionists! The Creation theory is more accurate has more physical and scientific evidence than any other theory out there, especially evolution.
    Dating methods, physical evidence, fossils, scientific evidence all point to evolution and an old earth. The bible can be disproved from page 1 with basically any of these things. The overwhelming majority of scientists accept evolution and reject creationism as pseudo-science. Creation theory isn't a theory, it makes no predictions or testable hypothesis. It is a con artist's tool for people who are afraid of reality.
    For Darwin Day 6 facts about the evolution debate  Pew Research Center
    You can't argue with the facts, take a very close look at the theory of evolution, and then look at the facts we have today, you will see it does not match. The simple truth is Creation is the most undeniable theory out there. And once you look evolution very close, then take a close look at the Bible and compare what the bible says and the scientific evidence we see today you will see it matches in lot's of ways.

    no, you can't argue with the facts, and the facts support evolution, the big bang, an old earth, and reject a literal interpretation of the bible wholesale. Anyone who does not accept this is scared of the truth because they would rather live a comforting lie.

    There is nothing more to say here,  @NoahFlynn ; has no idea what s/he is talking about whatsoever and that shows in the lackluster responses, complete absence of evidence, half-witted debunking, and of course the direct contradicting evidence that they brought up.
    PlaffelvohfenOakTownAKeal303NXQ3
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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