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In terms of the vaccine, it's your body - your choice. In terms of abortion - NO choice at all

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What's wrong with this?

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  • Luigi7255Luigi7255 286 Pts   -  
    Either way, it's a contradictory statement. You can't support one without the other.
    anarchist100
    "I will never change who I am just because you do not approve."
  • BlastcatBlastcat 178 Pts   -   edited September 14
    excon said:
    Hello:

    What's wrong with this?

    excon

    The first thing that I noticed is that the statement makes a false equivalency, and is therefore, a fallacious comment.

    Most people who are anti-abortion tell me that personhood begins at conception. A cell isn't a person.
    Even a whole bunch of human cells can't make rational or emotional choices. They can't choose, for example, to live or not to live. Not one way or the other and they are oblivious, uncaring about either outcome.

    The UN has decided that personhood begins at birth. So, their basic human rights don't come into effect until then. As soon as they are born, they have full human rights. Not before.

    Anti-abortion people reject that decision.
    But it represents the world's best thinking right now.

    And it's worse than a false equivalency. I say that this kind of thinking is dangerous:

    There is a high correlation between being anti-abortion and supporting Donald Trump, so I would expect that a lot of anti-abortion people also reject the notion that Biden won the 2020 election.

    Rejecting reality in favour of what one desires is not only fallacious thinking but extremely dangerous. We have seen how Trump supporters aren't opposed to using violence in order to get their way. Right now, the Capitol police are on high alert because they fear more violence from these "Pro-Life"/ Pro-Trump people.
    OakTownA
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1647 Pts   -  
    excon said:
    Hello:

    What's wrong with this?

    excon

     It's the exact opposite of current policy.  The Biden admin's policy is; in terms of abortion, it's your body - your choice. In terms of the vaccine - NO choice at all.

    Glad I could clear that up for you.
  • Luigi7255Luigi7255 286 Pts   -  
    If you support bodily autonomy with abortions, you must support the choice to not get the vaccine, and vice versa. Which both Republicans and Democrats contradict themselves on that statement.
    anarchist100PlaffelvohfenBlastcat
    "I will never change who I am just because you do not approve."
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2769 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255

    I do support the right for people to not get the vaccine, it's their body & their choice, I would denounce any initiative to physically vaccine people against their will...

    But that said, the mandate doesn't force people to get it...  If your employer requires that you do get it, anti-vaxxers are totally free to change jobs... 
    anarchist100CYDdhartaBlastcat
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 888 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255

    The prolife stance would be that there is another body ( the fetus) that should be protected.
    Blastcat
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1647 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255

    I do support the right for people to not get the vaccine, it's their body & their choice, I would denounce any initiative to physically vaccine people against their will...

    But that said, the mandate doesn't force people to get it...  If your employer requires that you do get it, anti-vaxxers are totally free to change jobs... 
    Kinda like "separate but equal"
    Plaffelvohfen
  • xlJ_dolphin_473xlJ_dolphin_473 1572 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255
    As far as I'm aware, being a Democrat or a Republican is to do with left-wing vs right wing, not authoritarian vs libertarian...
    Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I would have assumed that how much personal choice is allowed should be plotted on an entirely different axis to how left-leaning or right-leaning you are...
    Blastcat
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  • excon said:
    Hello:

    What's wrong with this?

    excon
    The legal representation process and the medical institution do not tangle the receipt of a vaccine in such a way that it is self-incrimination to a felony crime just to receive a needle as a shot. Pregnancy Abortion was found to do so 48 years ago in America. That what's wrong the word abortion is a description that forces the loss of privacy.
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