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Is the Bible True?

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These are the ONLY works of righteousness (the Bible...Ricky D

These are works of threatening rhetoric designed to suck in those who are naive and gullible who take things at face value and will believe that the sky is going to fall if it were written in a book.

.........Oh, wait......it has been written in a book. Just think of all those nit-wits out there frantically building underground shelters full of baked beans and beer just because they believed what Henny Penny said in a book.




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  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -   edited April 23
    I never said that there are only works of righteousness...why do you deceive with intent or negligence?

    There is but ONE form of "righteousness" that mankind can acquire that will result in forgiveness of sin and reconciliation with the Father; that is, humbling yourself before God the Father, admitting you're a sinner and agreeing with the Father that you need an Intercessor because you cannot be sufficiently good or righteous to earn your own forgiveness but that you believe and trust in the Son, Jesus Christ, as your Lord and Savior and you believe that Jesus died for you to pay your sin-debt owed the Father, a debt you could NOT pay yourself and you believe Jesus was resurrected from the dead for your justification (John 3; Romans 10:9-10).

    Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord with a sincere heart will receive the perfection, the righteousness (a right standing with the Father) imputed into and over their life in exchange for their sin and they will receive the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Guarantor of that covenant relationship, forever (John 3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Ephesians 1:13-14). It is the righteousness, purity, sinless perfection, of Jesus imputed into your life by faith as the ONLY righteousness you will attain that will please the Father and belay His wrath for your sin and reconcile you with the Father who then considers you family.

    At the moment you receive the Holy Spirit who takes-up residence within you...you will began a journey in your New Nature given you by the Spirit (2 Corinthians 5:17) and the Holy Spirit will methodically walk you daily in the Father's will for your life via the conscience via the process of sanctification as the Holy Spirit prepares you for service in the New Jerusalem (Galatians 5:16; 1 John 2:27).

    There is NOTHING you can do in and of yourself to save yourself from death in Hell...you must rely totally and completely upon what Jesus did for you at Golgotha by shedding His innocent blood for your sin and taking on a sinners death in your place (John 3; Matthew 26:28). You cannot work yourself to God (Ephesians 2:8-9) as Elohim demonstrated in Genesis 3:21 by rejecting the works of Adam's hands (fig leaves) to cover his sin and shame while Elohim, HIMSELF, shed innocent blood and clothed Adam and his wife in an imputed robe of righteousness...a prophecy that was fulfilled 4000-years later by Jesus Christ on the Cross with the words "It is finished" (John 19:30); in fact, the reason the Son of God, Jesus Christ, entered Time was "to destroy the works of the Devil" for YOU and offer YOU His righteousness by faith (1 John 3:8b; 2 Corinthians 5:21)!!!


  • anarchist100anarchist100 605 Pts   -   edited April 23
    Argument Topic: The fool Bush played with himself, while his babysitter, Dick Cheney, committed mass-murder in order to become rich AF.

    @Swolliw
    Probably not, but you know what else isn't true? The claim made by genocidal war mongers Cheney and Bush that there where weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a claim that they only made so that Cheney could get very, very rich, after all, the demon's company made 39.5 billion dollars.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @Swolliw
    I never said that there are only works of righteousness...why do you deceive with intent or negligence?

    There is but ONE form of "righteousness" that mankind can acquire that will result in forgiveness of sin and reconciliation with the Father; that is, humbling yourself before God the Father, admitting you're a sinner and agreeing with the Father that you need an Intercessor because you cannot be sufficiently good or righteous to earn your own forgiveness but that you believe and trust in the Son, Jesus Christ, as your Lord and Savior and you believe that Jesus died for you to pay your sin-debt owed the Father, a debt you could NOT pay yourself and you believe Jesus was resurrected from the dead for your justification (John 3; Romans 10:9-10).

    Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord with a sincere heart will receive the perfection, the righteousness (a right standing with the Father) imputed into and over their life in exchange for their sin and they will receive the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Guarantor of that covenant relationship, forever (John 3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Ephesians 1:13-14). It is the righteousness, purity, sinless perfection, of Jesus imputed into your life by faith as the ONLY righteousness you will attain that will please the Father and belay His wrath for your sin and reconcile you with the Father who then considers you family.

    At the moment you receive the Holy Spirit who takes-up residence within you...you will began a journey in your New Nature given you by the Spirit (2 Corinthians 5:17) and the Holy Spirit will methodically walk you daily in the Father's will for your life via the conscience via the process of sanctification as the Holy Spirit prepares you for service in the New Jerusalem (Galatians 5:16; 1 John 2:27).

    There is NOTHING you can do in and of yourself to save yourself from death in Hell...you must rely totally and completely upon what Jesus did for you at Golgotha by shedding His innocent blood for your sin and taking on a sinners death in your place (John 3; Matthew 26:28). You cannot work yourself to God (Ephesians 2:8-9) as Elohim demonstrated in Genesis 3:21 by rejecting the works of Adam's hands (fig leaves) to cover his sin and shame while Elohim, HIMSELF, shed innocent blood and clothed Adam and his wife in an imputed robe of righteousness...a prophecy that was fulfilled 4000-years later by Jesus Christ on the Cross with the words "It is finished" (John 19:30); in fact, the reason the Son of God, Jesus Christ, entered Time was "to destroy the works of the Devil" for YOU and offer YOU His righteousness by faith (1 John 3:8b; 2 Corinthians 5:21)!!!



  • SwolliwSwolliw 1410 Pts   -   edited April 23
    @RickeyD
    I never said that there are only works of righteousness..
    That's right but I never said you did, I said that you said: "These are the ONLY works of righteousness".
    It's quite interesting how it all came about you see. What happened is that I held down the left click as I scanned over the words that you posted (allegedly.....only allegedly; I'm not accusing you for one second that you did do it because perhaps a troll crept into your study whilst you took a leak and typed it). Then, low and behold, I clicked the right button and selected "copy" then pasted said copied contents into my post. Now granted, there is an extreme outside chance that the clipboard could have been corrupted in some way due to a conspiratorial bug on the website that misquotes. And we all know how beliefs in conspiracies screw up those who already suffer delusional thoughts, don't we?
  • JoeKerrJoeKerr 241 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    Human sacrifice is disgusting, and as it is central to this covenant, that makes the covenant disgusting too. And as if it couldn't get worse, those who take up this covenant remember this human sacrifice by indulging in ritual cannibalism. The Catholica actually believe the wafer and the wine become real flesh and blood. Ukk!
    The stuff of the madhouse!

    Plaffelvohfen
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @JoeKerr Catholicism, transubstantiation, is a cult of works and paganism masquerading itself as truth and Christianity.

    Our Creator's response to sin is so strong and objectionable that the only payment, atonement, appeasement, He will accept for mediation of that sin is innocent blood, why?

    Why has the Earth been created, our genome?

    What most people are unaware of is the causation for our creation in Time; that is, we are the product and response to an unfathomable rebellion, a coup d'état if you will, that manifest in the Kingdom of God, a Spiritual Kingdom where nothing impure is permitted to exist due to the destructiveness of sin (Revelation 21:27). This unfathomable rebellion is of such magnitude that it involves one-third of the Heavenly hosts and due to its potential to cause great harm, the Father commissioned the Son, Jesus Christ (John 3:35), to procure elements from the unseen spiritual realm and fashion those elements into matter that can be apprehended by "life" constrained by Time and flesh and physics (Hebrews 11:3; Genesis 1; John 1; Hebrews 1; Colossians 1)...this creation narrative was performed for cause with rapidity.

    Our entire creation in the temporary realm of Time is exclusively a response and a repository to a literal WAR that was raging in the Spiritual Kingdom and said conflict was extricated from the Kingdom and placed within the constraints of Time and physics to be dealt with by our Creator HERE and limit the destruction to His eternal Kingdom; in fact, the primary reason the Son of God, Jesus Christ, entered Time was "to destroy the works of the Devil" for your benefit (1 John 3:8b).

    It is SIN that initiated the war in God's Kingdom and God is completely and thoroughly opposed to sin for this reason and the seriousness of sin is reflected in God's righteous decree that the soul that sins will die and only the shed blood of innocence will make atonement for that sin (Leviticus 17:11). Our Creator will NOT accept just any form of blood for atonement but the atoning sacrifice must be without blemish, spot, wrinkle...perfection...this was foreshadowed by the Law Covenant with Israel's children through the mandates of the animals subject to sacrifice and the perfection, the mandated testing and inspection of those animals prior to their submission for sacrifice.

    As early as Genesis 3:21, Elohim demonstrated that He HIMSELF in perfect righteousness would provide innocent blood as atonement for our sin apart from our own human efforts to make ourselves acceptable through human conduct; that is, Elohim rejected Adam's attempt to cover his sin and shame with the work of his hands i.e. fig leaves and Elohim proceeded to shed innocent blood and take the garments of animals and clothe Adam and his wife in an imputed robe of righteousness...this imputed robe of righteousness foreshadowed as a prophecy in Genesis 3:21 was ultimately fulfilled by Elohim Himself in the body of Jesus Christ 4000-years later on a Roman Cross outside of the gates of Jerusalem with the words "It is finished" (John 19:30).

    Your sin is serious and will culminate in your death in Hell lest you repent and accept the imputation of Jesus' righteousness over your life by faith in Him as your Lord believing that He died to pay your sin-debt you could never pay yourself (John 3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; John 8:24; John 14:6). Faith in Jesus is the KEY to the Kingdom via the forgiveness of sin (John 14:6; John 3). It is our Creator's selfless love and sacrifice for His created beings that will ensure His volitional relationship with the angelic creation and the redeemed in Christ continues with integrity and sincerity while the horror, death, suffering, disease, in this temporary World initiated by the Evil One, by sin, over the previous 6000-years will act as an effective bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will remains extant by necessity.

     
  • maxxmaxx 858 Pts   -  
    considering jesus was a jew, why do you not follow judhisim? 
    @RickeyD
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @maxx ; Judaism simply provided the foundation for Messiah's introduction into the Realm of Time but Judaism, its Law Covenant, only defined the sin and culpability of mankind but provided no atonement for sin; therefore, that Covenant was NOT complete...it is the New Covenant established in Messiah Jesus' blood that fulfills all that the Old Covenant (Judaism) foreshadowed; so then, why would I follow the mandates of a Covenant that only condemns me, curses me, but provides no atonement?



  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    The bible is the same as any other non-historical piece of literature from that time period, especially religious ones....it's mythology mixed with elements of real places. Kind of like how Spiderman is based in New York. But just because New York is a real place, that doesn't mean that Spiderman is real...just like Jesus and everything claimed about him. There's just no reason to believe any of it. 
    SwolliwPlaffelvohfen
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 ; The Scriptures provide you knowledge of who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning our temporary World and Universe and your purpose within the constraints of Time and you deny the Scriptures at the peril of your own soul. Your ignorance of God's will does not provide a pardon from death in Hell.


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -  
    The bible is the same as any other non-historical piece of literature from that time period, especially religious ones....it's mythology mixed with elements of real places. Kind of like how Spiderman is based in New York. But just because New York is a real place, that doesn't mean that Spiderman is real...just like Jesus and everything claimed about him. There's just no reason to believe any of it. 
    Are you telling me that the beautiful female vampires from the Underworld are not real? There go my dating prospects... :'(
  • SwolliwSwolliw 1410 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD
    The Scriptures provide you knowledge of who, what, where, when, why, how.......

    The scriptures provide exactly what Dallas said. If I want to gain knowledge of the history and geography of a region I would look in the 900s of the library.

    If anyone wanted to peruse the absolute crap, myths, inaccuracies, hyperbole and gratuitous pornography and violence that is the Bible, they will find such a rag in the "Reference" section of the library. 


  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @Swolliw ; Without knowledge of the Scriptures, you will perish in ignorance and sin and Hell. Without Jesus, your entire existence will culminate in nihilism and wastefulness.






  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    RickeyD said:
    @dallased25 ; The Scriptures provide you knowledge of who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning our temporary World and Universe and your purpose within the constraints of Time and you deny the Scriptures at the peril of your own soul. Your ignorance of God's will does not provide a pardon from death in Hell.


    It was reading the bible cover to cover that started me on my deconversion from christianity. It led me down a path of discovery, researching the history of the church, the bible, Jesus and everything about christianity. I know what the bible is and what it is not. It is not a book from any god, or even inspired by any god. It's a human made piece of literature, full of historical inaccuracies, mythology, embellishments and is not unique at all, except in the fact that so many believe it is divinely inspired. There is no knowledge in the bible that was unique, or original and it's ideas on the world, the universe and how things work were exactly what you'd expect of that time period...primitive. It also doesn't make any sense at all, for a being who's supposedly infinitely smart...to inspire a book in literally the worst time period, in a mostly illiterate country, using the worst means to spread his message imaginable. The bible has been changed so many times at this point, that it's impossible to know what the originals even looked like, especially since none exist and the earliest Greek ones that exist, have entire passages missing, meaning the later editions had them added after the fact. The bible is a man made, invented, changed, re-written, embellished, re-translated, things added to it, work of both fiction with some real history within it. Instead of gaining knowledge of the bible...you should gain knowledge of history and how utterly chaotic the history of your own church is. You don't owe christian history to your god, you owe it mainly to Emperor Constantine who put christianity on the map, who many christians consider ironically to be the first anti-christ, especially considering how he did it and how many he killed to do it. That's real history, not the fictional, unsupported stories within that book, that was written decades after supposed events, by non-witnesses.  
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 The Scriptures are provided you by the Holy Spirit and they are your "owner's manual" for life and when you deny them you deny your only hope for understanding and life in Eternity. Constantine is a Roman Emperor who merged Roman and Babylonian paganism with elements of Apocryphal doctrine and certain element of Christian doctrine and via the Edict of Milan (312-313AD) formed the 2nd-largest religious cult in the known World i.e. Catholicism. Catholicism is NOT Christianity and if you deny Jesus Christ, you will perish in Hell.

     
  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -   edited April 29
    RickeyD said:
    @dallased25 The Scriptures are provided you by the Holy Spirit and they are your "owner's manual" for life and when you deny them you deny your only hope for understanding and life in Eternity. Constantine is a Roman Emperor who merged Roman and Babylonian paganism with elements of Apocryphal doctrine and certain element of Christian doctrine and via the Edict of Milan (312-313AD) formed the 2nd-largest religious cult in the known World i.e. Catholicism. Catholicism is NOT Christianity and if you deny Jesus Christ, you will perish in Hell.

     
    You have zero proof that the scriptures are anything but man made words. You may hate Catholicism and call it "not christianity", but so many would disagree with you and it still remains indisputable that without Constantine and what he did, including requisitioning the several councils of Nicea to determine things like "the divinity of Jesus" and codifying what you call the modern bible and having the council determine from among the 50+ gospels which were canon, you don't get all the other branches of modern christianity. So you proved my point unwittingly of my last post that while you call him pagan, you owe practically all of modern christianity, including yours, to him and what he did. 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 ; The Scriptures are not the work of men but of the Holy Spirit working through 40-divinely appointed men to pen the mind of our Creator on parchment. The divinity of Jesus was proclaimed hundreds-of-years before Nicea and chronicled in the first Canon called the Muratorian Canon (Circa 180AD).

    The same God who placed breath in your lungs has provided you with the EXACT words He desires you have...no council of men or Emperors or Kings decided what you would possess in order to know God personally; love God intimately; live with God eternally. You seek justification for your path to Hell through man's wisdom while rejecting the word of life provided you by God through His mercy.


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    Funny how the "holy spirit" could appoint 40 men to write a fantasy book eons ago, but cannot appoint one scientist today to write a paper providing the scientific confirmation of just one of those big claims in the book, or to set up a simple experiment with the same purpose. And that the best it can do on this website is appoint a guy who has less persuasive ability than a bottle of dishwashing liquid.
    JulesKorngold
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ; Science continues to confirm the veracity of the Genesis narrative, our sin-nature, the overwhelming amount of prophecy that has been fulfilled and is being fulfilled; funny, how a man or woman is willing to nonchalantly walk into Hell without the slightest consideration that our omnipotent Creator may have just left us with words of purpose and life and eternity and to disregard with such abandonment because their penis or vulva controls their wisdom and discernment.

     
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    Okay, do you have any links to those scientific peer-reviewed papers confirming it? I have asked you this multiple times; yet to see anything, other than one more bunch of vague unsubstantiated claims.

    There is also no such thing as "hell" according to modern physics. But modern physics never stopped you, did it?
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ; Physics is a vain attempt to explain the unexplainable....and Hell is not of this Realm and physics is irrelevant in the Realm where Hell is located. Jesus spoke rather often about this Realm that you will enter the instant you exhale your last.


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    So what do you mean by "science" when saying that it supports the claims from your book? If physics and other natural sciences are not science, then what is?

    I hope to live to see the day when your faith produces any technology. Physics, "a vain attempt to explain the unexplainable", produces the things we are using to have this conversation. Where is the Internet produced by Christianity? It seems to me that your religion has only produced one fantasy book, and that fantasy book is not even that good compared to the alternatives.
    JulesKorngold
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ; Geological finds...biology...physics...continue to support the Biblical narrative...but you don't see.

    Robert Boyle 1627 – 1691.
    Said that a deeper understanding of science was a higher glorification of God. Defined elements, compounds, and mixtures. Discovered the first gas law – Boyle’s Law.

    Antoine Lavoisier 1743 – 1794.
    A Roman Catholic believer in the authenticity of the Holy Scriptures. A founder of modern chemistry; discovered oxygen’s role in combustion and respiration; discovered that water is a compound of hydrogen and oxygen;

    Leonhard Euler 1707 – 1783.
    The son of a Calvinist pastor. Wrote religious texts and is commemorated by the Lutheran Church on their Calendar of Saints. Published more mathematics than any other single mathematician in history, much of it brilliant and

    Michael Faraday 1791 – 1867.
    A devout member and elder of the Sandemanian Church. Discovered electromagnetic induction; discovered the first experimental link between light and magnetism; carried out the first room-temperature liquefaction of a gas.

    James Clerk Maxwell 1831 – 1879.
    An evangelical Protestant who learned the Bible by heart at age 14. Transformed our understanding of nature: his famous equations unified the forces of electricity and magnetism, indicating that light is an electromagnetic wave. His kinetic theory established that temperature is entirely dependent on the speeds of particles.

    Arthur Compton 1892 – 1962.
    A deacon in the Baptist Church. Discovered that light can behave as a particle as well as a wave, and coined the word photon to describe a particle of light.

    Ronald Fisher 1890 – 1962.
    A devout Anglican: made religious broadcasts, and wrote religious articles. Unified evolution by natural selection with Mendel’s rules of inheritance, so defining the new field of population genetics. Invented experimental design; devised the statistical concept of variance.

    Bernhard Riemann 1826 – 1866.
    Son of a Lutheran pastor. A devout Christian who died reciting the Lord’s Prayer. Transformed geometry providing the foundation of Einstein’s theory of general relativity; the Riemann hypothesis has become the most famous unresolved problem in mathematics.

    Bernhard Riemann 1826 – 1866.
    Son of a Lutheran pastor. A devout Christian who died reciting the Lord’s Prayer. Transformed geometry providing the foundation of Einstein’s theory of general relativity; the Riemann hypothesis has become the most famous unresolved problem in mathematics.

    Charles Townes 1915 – 2015.
    A member of the United Church of Christ. Prayed daily. Wrote books linking science and religion; believed religion more important than science. Invented the laser and maser. Established that the Milky Way has a supermassive black hole at its center.

    Willard Gibbs 1839 – 1903.
    Member of the Congregational Church who attended services every week. Invented vector analysis and founded the sciences of modern statistical mechanics and chemical thermodynamics.

    on and on and on..

  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    I am sorry, but I was asking about the scientific findings confirming the claims made in the Bible, not a list of scientists who were religious and believed that science and religion are linked. For instance, can you cite a peer-reviewed paper scientifically establishing the claims about the magical powers of Jesus of Nazareth?
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ; I believe scientific findings are found in the Genesis narrative...they've never been countered with truth...you'll believe that the Scriptures are God's words to you or you won't....it's your choice...it's your eternity...enjoy.



  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -   edited April 30
    @RickeyD

    "The Genesis narrative" does not constitute a product of a rigorous scientific peer-reviewed process. I take it you have no actual scientific references to back your claims up with, so your claim that "science continues to confirm the veracity of the Genesis narrative" is not something that you can demonstrate?

    As for "I believe"... We are talking about science. What you dream up in your wild imagination is of no consequence. What you can demonstrate is, and so far you have been able to demonstrate absolutely nothing.
    JulesKorngoldJoeKerr
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ; That is your opinion...you are welcomed to it...one will believe by faith that our Creator has informed us of His eschatological intent through what He has written, the life of Jesus, or they won't...this is the most critical decision a man or woman must make in their three-score and ten...it's your "choice." 


  • RickeyD said:
    @dallased25 The Scriptures are provided you by the Holy Spirit and they are your "owner's manual" for life and when you deny them you deny your only hope for understanding and life in Eternity. Constantine is a Roman Emperor who merged Roman and Babylonian paganism with elements of Apocryphal doctrine and certain element of Christian doctrine and via the Edict of Milan (312-313AD) formed the 2nd-largest religious cult in the known World i.e. Catholicism. Catholicism is NOT Christianity and if you deny Jesus Christ, you will perish in Hell.

     

    According to this John XIV : VI John is officially giving witness that Jesus had assumed the role of Satin and is limiting the access of the creator from the creation. Explaining the creation of the path of Jesus as not his fathers nor GOD but his own to deal with. These words are only to be held a self-evident truth by us when interpretation of the life of Jesus is held accurate. Had Jesus never been put to death for a crime against the Empire it could be interpreted otherwise RichyD.


  • @RickeyD
    That is your opinion...you are welcomed to it...one will believe by faith that our Creator has informed us of His eschatological intent through what He has written, the life of Jesus, or they won't...this is the most critical decision a man or woman must make in their three-score and ten...it's your "choice."
    You are worshiping Satin through a likely desiple of Satin Jesus...

    Faith, GOD's word is like the words of braile felt in its radiates throughout light and darkness and cannot be ovbershadowed by one being which to be GOD by his own desire or others. A person who does not know or understand GOD as a relgion cannot know or understand GOD as something which is not of faith or religion, fact.
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -   edited April 30
    @John_C_87 ;  What foolishness and what lies....Jesus is Elohim, He is the spotless Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the World in response to the spiritual warfare placed partially within the constraints of Time and physics apart from the Kingdom...where do you people come up with this apostate trash?

    "All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered." Revelation 13:8 (NASB)





  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @John_C_87 ; Are you the Devil's servant? Jesus is your Creator and your Messiah and your Judge...what is wrong with you? Have you gone completely mad?


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -   edited April 30
    @RickeyD

    Really? I call you out on your lack of argumentation in favor of your claim about the science confirming Genesis, and you respond with, "It is just your opinion"?

    And you are right, one will have faith in your narrative or one will not. Science is not about faith, it is about rigorous comparison between theoretical hypotheses and the real world events. In your comments you have not even acknowledged what science is, you have just been using this word as a placeholder for something that you cannot quite identify yourself.

    Bottom line is, science contradicts a lot of things you believe to be true. I have to wonder why you choose to use products of science, such as your computer and the Internet, in place of products of religion. I think we both know the answer: first, because religion has never produced any technology of substance, and second, because deep inside you know that science is superior to religion in every way.
    JulesKorngold
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ; I trust my Creator as opposed to man and his science as God is the ultimate scientist as He is Creator and has made everything we apprehend with our senses; therefore, I believe the Author of science is greater than those who seek knowledge from it. One thing is certain, we're both going to perish in these decaying bodies and we will see on the other side.


  • maxxmaxx 858 Pts   -  
    well, i dont care what your beliefs actually are, however i am beginning to think that you believe that the bible sprang into existence in its present form.  i simply fail to understand why one so steadfast in their beliefs about the bible either simply ignores or denies the history of it.  @RickeyD
    dallased25
  • maxxmaxx 858 Pts   -  
    well, i dont care what your beliefs actually are, however i am beginning to think that you believe that the bible sprang into existence in its present form.  i simply fail to understand why one so steadfast in their beliefs about the bible either simply ignores or denies the history of it.  @RickeyD
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -   edited May 1
    @maxx ; The Autographs, the original manuscripts, are no longer with us...but extant, meticulous copies exist in abundance and I believe that our omnipotent Creator is fully capable of preserving and providing me with the EXACT words He desires I have so that I know Him personally; love Him intimately; live with Him eternally; therefore, I believe the English copy of the Canon before me is EXACTLY what my omnipotent God desires that I have so that I can understand the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning the creation narrative relevant to the World in which I live and the World I will live in once I have departed this body of decaying flesh...you don't believe this...that is your right via free will. The Bible is God's "owner's manual" for life, disregard it at your own peril.


  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4521 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD

    Who cares what you trust? As I said, what is important is what you can demonstrate, and so far you have demonstrated nothing. Science is about demonstrating your claims, so what you are doing here has nothing to do with science.

    God is the "ultimate scientist"? I am not sure you even understand what this conversation is about.
  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    RickeyD said:
    @maxx ; The Autographs, the original manuscripts, are no longer with us...but extant, meticulous copies exist in abundance and I believe that our omnipotent Creator is fully capable of preserving and providing me with the EXACT words He desires I have so that I know Him personally; love Him intimately; live with Him eternally; therefore, I believe the English copy of the Canon before me is EXACTLY what my omnipotent God desires that I have so that I can understand the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning the creation narrative relevant to the World in which I live and the World I will live in once I have departed this body of decaying flesh...you don't believe this...that is your right via free will. The Bible is God's "owner's manual" for life, disregard it at your own peril.


    No one cares what you believe, it only matters what is actually true and what you can prove. The facts are, the bible has changed. Entire passages were added, altered, changed from the earliest versions that are still in existence. Why you believe the "English version" is the best one that god wants for you kind of speaks to the fact that you are narcissistic. You believe that god specifically made the English bible for you. How utterly arrogant and assuming. Now I get it. Your ego is overly inflated that you believe that god specifically does things...just for you. That child in Africa dying of hunger...no time for that, I must talk to Ricky D! People praying right now to be saved from a Hurricane...no time for that, Ricky needs inspiration. The lack of humility is astounding. 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 ; My Heavenly Father cares what I believe...if you don't...that is your business. Nothing in the Scriptures have changed and you remain culpable before God and if reject His grace and mercy offered you by faith in the Son, Jesus Christ, the truism of eternal death for the sinner remains relevant.




  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    RickeyD said:
    @dallased25 ; My Heavenly Father cares what I believe...if you don't...that is your business. Nothing in the Scriptures have changed and you remain culpable before God and if reject His grace and mercy offered you by faith in the Son, Jesus Christ, the truism of eternal death for the sinner remains relevant.



    Oops....
    https://historycollection.com/18-ways-the-bible-has-changed-throughout-history/

    Again, no one cares what you believe, only your imaginary friend I guess. 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -   edited May 3
    @dallased25 ; Quoting me does not address the response to me; therefore, I don't know when you have responded because your rebuttal does not appear in my notifications...why do you do this? If you don't care what I believe or think...why rebut with impotent opinion? Truly, no one is interested. The Scriptures have NOT changed irrespective of what some secular source my use to under gird and falsely justify your path to Hell.
  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    RickeyD said:
    @dallased25 ; Quoting me does not address the response to me; therefore, I don't know when you have responded because your rebuttal does not appear in my notifications...why do you do this? If you don't care what I believe or think...why rebut with impotent opinion? Truly, no one is interested. The Scriptures have NOT changed irrespective of what some secular source my use to under gird and falsely justify your path to Hell.
    Because you are lying. I mean, this isn't even controversial among christian apologists, they KNOW the scriptures have changed from the earliest editions available, such as the Codex Sinaticus, P52 and not to mention the entire history behind the formation of the KJV and all the codified changes that happened with that version! So your opinion is not worth anything in this case, because the facts speak for themselves! That's what I mean when I say no one cares what you think. Your opinion is of no value, only the facts matter and the facts say that the bible not only has changed, but was especially changed when it was translated to English! 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 ; The Codex is not the authority of Scripture...it was found in a waste basket last report....the Autographs have NOT changed...nor does God change. Codex Sinaiticus, also known as “Aleph” (the Hebrew letter א), was found by Count Tischendorf in 1859 at the Monastery of St Catherine on Mount Sinai. Portions of the manuscript were found in the monastery dump, and a larger portion was presented to Tischendorf by one of the monks. It is a large codex, with 400 pages (or leaves) comprising about half of the Old Testament in the Septuagint version and the full New Testament.

    The Muratorian Canon  (Circa 180AD) predates the Codex by over 1000-years...  Of course, when a language is translated there are certainly language variations and literary styles that are almost impossible to convey but our best English translations provide you with any alternative understanding of a word, phrase, reading, concept, doctrine...it is the Holy Spirit that teaches, not the printed word...the printed word is simply a conveyance that the Spirit uses to disclose what is not seen by the natural man (1 John 2:27).

    The Canon of Scripture in translations such as the New American Standard Bible are there for your edification and your eternal life and they're there because the Holy Spirit has preserved them through much Hell...you disregard them and obfuscate their validity and accuracy because you love your aberrant lust and your flesh more than God's truth.



  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD
    It's ironic that you acknowledge there are differences, but the earliest scriptures that are complete, are missing entire passages from later additions, which means there were things added around the 4th century to the bible. You claim that it's the "holy spirit" that teaches, yet all we have to go by are the scriptures themselves and tons of different denominations who also claim the exact same thing, but have different interpretations as to what "truth" actually is. For example there are non-trinitarian denominations and some that believe that Jesus was the son of god, but not god himself. There are some pretty stark differences and all using the same source "The bible" and all claim they have received the "holy spirit". So again, claiming something to be true and that you have the "holy spirit" behind you does zero to prove that what you believe is true, because there are a whole host of others claiming the exact same thing, but have different "truths". You can't all be right and obviously can't all have the "holy spirit" telling you conflicting beliefs, so there must be some other mechanism to determine who is right in what they believe! This is what you keep not understanding is that saying "I have the holy spirit" isn't of any value to anyone in discerning the truth. It's white noise among all the other claims. 
    JoeKerr
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 ; It's important to study and note those translations that include both the oldest manuscripts available compared to the latest finds like the Dead Sea Scrolls so that the completeness of the Holy Spirit's words are before you. God's words have gone through a tumultuous history of persecution, martyrdom, with every attempt made by evil men to eradicate the Word of God from the face of the Earth...but it remains and it will never fade away.

    Be wary of denominationalism as far too often men bicker over traditions, worship style, baptism, music, dress, communion procedures...and I find Satan to be an extremely proficient warrior and strategist who often times practices the military tactic of "divide and conquer;" essentially, that is what denominationalism is...a fracturing of the Body of Christ, a powerful cohesive community of the 1st-Century, into impotent factions of pride and arrogance. So be wary and use wisdom...know what the word of God says for yourself through fervent study and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you (2 Timothy 2:15; 1 John 2:27).

    The Holy Spirit is only given in the New Covenant to those have entered the family of God by faith in Jesus Christ as Lord as the Spirit is given as the Guarantor of covenant relationship with the Father (Ephesians 1:13-14)...not all who suggest the Spirit is active in their life are truthful and though a "spirit" may be active in their life, what spirit is it? Jesus said that you could identify them by their "fruit" or the way they act and the things they do (Matthew 7). Do their words and actions comport with Scripture?

    The Father and the Spirit have placed me here with you to plead with you to repent and turn to Jesus as your Lord and be saved and find life with the Father in Eternity. I have told you what the Holy Spirit has said...my presence here is not happen-chance...God is faithful.



     

      
  • dallased25dallased25 171 Pts   -  
    @RickeyD
    For all that you wrote, you clearly, once again, didn't actually read what I wrote or comprehend it. Your reply is nonsensical and in no way a reply to my questions and challenges. If you aren't going to reply to what I have actually said, then just don't bother replying at all. 

    As far as I'm concerned, you are delusional and have a god complex. How arrogant is that statement you made of "God put me here to plead with you". Give me a break. 
  • RickeyDRickeyD 770 Pts   -  
    @dallased25 ; Have a good life...please mute me and I will you as well...perhaps we won't bother one another in the future...thanks.
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