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When Will Americans Stand Up To The Gun Lobby?

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Another day, another massacre...
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  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    Hopefully never.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    Hopefully never.
    Explain, please.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    It's a bad idea to let the government be the only ones allowed to own guns.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    So you love guns more than children?
    PlaffelvohfenJoeKerrOakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    And you trust an 18-year-old with an assault weapon?
    OakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Depends, I certainly don't trust the government to decide who gets to own guns.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    So we just have to put up with massacres?
    OakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    You think we wouldn't have massacres if the government where the only ones with guns? Have you ever heard of Ruby Ridge?
    PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    And you trust an 18-year-old with an assault weapon?
    Can you name a military that doesn't?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    Lol.  Ruby Ridge?  We should sympathize with an Aryan thug believing "zionists" are taking over the world?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    And you trust an 18-year-old with an assault weapon?
    Can you name a military that doesn't?
    I knew 18-year-old door gunners during the Vietnam War.  I wouldn't trust them with a water pistol.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    You think the state should be able to execute children and people who hold views that you disapprove of?
    anarchist100PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    It doesn't matter what he believed, what matters is that the government went on to his property because he had some illegal moderation on his gun, a totally victimless crime, shot a teenage buy and a family dog, and then went on to shoot an unarmed woman when she was holding a baby, if you think that what the government did was ok because of the guys views, then you are the most disgusting, filthy, slimy piece of scum to ever assault our planet with your putrid existence, you are a scar that disfigures this planet with your filthiness, and I imagine that after you have died your memory will still pollute our once wonderful earth, I pray that human souls are not eternal, for if they are then you will continue to be a blot upon the universe it's self.
    OakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta
    The filth does.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Now I see the point of hell, if a soul is eternal there must be a place for it to go where it can no longer be a disfiguring scar upon the universe.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    @JulesKorngold

    You think the state should be able to execute children and people who hold views that you disapprove of?
    Randy Weaver and his tribe had a large illegal stash of assault weapons they planned to use.  They got what they asked for.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -   edited May 25
    @JulesKorngold
    Your very being nauseates me.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Sir I challenge to a duel, when are you available?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Your very being nauseates me.
    You sympathize with an antisemitic Aryan thug.  Stop trolling my debate.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    You think it was justified that they shot a woman while she was holding an infant? Just disgusting.
    CYDdhartaPlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    You think it was justified that they shot a woman while she was holding an infant? Just disgusting.
    Vicki Weaver chose to support (like you) an antisemitic Aryan thug.  She chose her fate.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    Randy Weaver and his tribe had a large illegal stash of assault weapons they planned to use.  They got what they asked for.
    They did?!?  Then why weren't they ever charged with possession of illegal assault weapons?
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    I am very serious about that duel sir, if you are interested please tell me when you will be available, and were you think we should do it.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -   edited May 25
    Just look at this guy, got al upset about children dying and says the solution is to give the government a monopoly on gun ownership, but when he's told about a child being killed by the government he doesn't care at all, it's almost as if he doesn't care about children, it's like he just wants to take away people means of defense so that the government can control us a lot more.
    PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    I am very serious about that duel sir, if you are interested please tell me when you will be available, and were you think we should do it.
    Stop trolling my debate.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Stop marring our planet with your existence.
    PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    Randy Weaver and his tribe had a large illegal stash of assault weapons they planned to use.  They got what they asked for.
    They did?!?  Then why weren't they ever charged with possession of illegal assault weapons?

    They were:

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) first became aware of Weaver in July 1986, when he was introduced to a confidential ATF informant at a meeting at the World Aryan Congress.[20]: 13,22  The informant portrayed himself as a weapons dealer. Weaver had been invited to the meeting by Kumnick, the original target of the ATF investigation. It was Weaver's first time at this Congress. Over the next three years, Weaver and the informant met several times. In July 1989, Weaver invited the informant to his home to discuss forming a group to fight the "Zionist Organized Government", referring to the U.S. government.[20]: 13,22 

    In October 1989, the ATF claimed that Weaver sold the informant two sawed-off shotguns, with the overall length of the guns shorter than the limit set by federal law. In November 1989, Weaver accused the ATF informant of being a spy for the police; Weaver later wrote he had been warned by "Rico V."[26] The informant's handler, Herb Byerly, ordered him to have no further contact with Weaver. Eventually, FBI informant Rico Valentino outed the ATF informant to Aryan Nations security.[2]: 112 

    In June 1990, Byerly attempted to use the sawed-off shotgun charge as leverage to get Weaver to act as an informant for his investigation into Aryan Nations.[20]: 13,22  Weaver refused to become a "snitch", and the ATF filed the gun charges in June 1990. The ATF alleged that Weaver was a bank robber with criminal convictions.[27] (Those claims were false: at that time Weaver had no criminal record. The 1995 Senate investigation found: "Weaver was not a suspect in any bank robberies.")[28][self-published sourceA federal grand jury indicted Weaver in December 1990 for making and possessing, but not for selling, illegal weapons in October 1989.[20]: 34 

    The ATF concluded it would be too dangerous for agents to arrest Weaver at his property. In January 1991, ATF agents posed as broken-down motorists and arrested Weaver when he and Vicki stopped to assist.[20]: 13,22  Weaver was told of the charges against him, released on bail, and told that his trial would begin on February 19, 1991. On January 22, the judge in the case appointed attorney Everett Hofmeister as Weaver's legal representative. 

    OakTownA
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    Since when are single-barrel shotguns considered assault weapons?
  • I am honoring a moment of silence for the horrific and great loss suffered today. I am at liberty to hold no-one else’s honor but my own. I am commissioned.

  • Argument Topic: Commissioned was meant as uncommisioned.

    I am honoring a moment of silence for the horrific and great loss suffered today. I am at liberty to hold no-one else’s honor but my own. I am uncommissioned.


  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    @JulesKorngold

    Since when are single-barrel shotguns considered assault weapons?
    Irrelevant.  You claimed Randy Weaver was not charged.  WRONG.
  • BarnardotBarnardot 185 Pts   -  
    Well it’s just as well that the dufis didn’t have a knife because he would have killed a lot more than 15 people right because all he had was an inanimate object that doesn’t kill. @CYDdharta
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    Irrelevant.  You claimed Randy Weaver was not charged.  WRONG.
    You claimed "Randy Weaver and his tribe had a large illegal stash of assault weapons".  He was never charged with possession of an illegal assault weapon.  YOU ARE WRONG.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Weapons

    @CYDdharta
    Tell us what weapons the Weavers used during the shootout.  Start with Sammy's semi-automatic Ruger Mini-14.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    @CYDdharta
    Tell us what weapons the Weavers used during the shootout.  Start with Sammy's semi-automatic Ruger Mini-14.
    Legal firearms.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    @CYDdharta
    Tell us what weapons the Weavers used during the shootout.  Start with Sammy's semi-automatic Ruger Mini-14.
    Legal firearms.
    Like what?  Name the weapons.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    Like what?  Name the weapons.
    I'm not sure.  It's hard to find documentation on them because there were no charges files on them ... because they were legal.  Do you have a point?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    Like what?  Name the weapons.
    I'm not sure.  It's hard to find documentation on them because there were no charges files on them ... because they were legal.  Do you have a point?
    So Sammy, a 14-year-old, owning a semi-automatic rifle was good parenting?  Lol.
    OakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Yeah, so it's great that he was shot.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Responsibility

    Sammy's parents got him killed by being antisemitic Aryan thugs.

    What did the Uvalde kids do to deserve to be massacred?
    OakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    The ATF and FBI thugs didn't have to shoot him, they committed murder.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1815 Pts   -  
    So Sammy, a 14-year-old, owning a semi-automatic rifle was good parenting?  Lol.
    Sammy wasn't a problem, overzealous police were the problem.

     Once again, you said they "had a large illegal stash of assault weapons".  Where is your evidence of this?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Again

    What did the Uvalde kids do to deserve to be massacred today?
    @anarchist100
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Nothing, but I'm not arguing the shooter and people like him should be the only ones allowed to own guns, unlike you, who argues that the government should be the only ones allowed to own guns, even after what they did.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Enough

    @CYDdharta
    You want to debate Ruby Ridge?  Start your own debate.  This debate is about today's Uvalde massacre.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    If you're to much of a turd to see that the Ruby Ridge massacre was a tragedy, then have you hear about the WACO massacre? When the FBI and ATF burnt down a church and killed 76 innocent people, 25 of which where children?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 306 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Nothing, but I'm not arguing the shooter and people like him should be the only ones allowed to own guns, unlike you, who argues that the government should be the only ones allowed to own guns, even after what they did.
    So your way to stop massacres is more guns to more people?
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    The government killed more people at Waco then the amount of people who died at Sandy Hook, and Robb Elementary combined, and yet these are the people who you think ought be trusted to be the only ones who get to own guns.
    PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
  • anarchist100anarchist100 672 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    That's not unreasonable, it's certainly better than having all the guns belonging to one group.
    PlaffelvohfenOakTownA
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