Justice by choice.

Barnardot

@John_C_87 well if it’s an amendment then they can amend way ever it was they amended in the first place and while there at it they can amend the bit about baring guns and amend it to say that a woman s body is hers and not the property of goddists to tell her what to do with it.

John_C_87

I never really noticed that myself and thought I might share out loud what I found as a state of the union for little cost.

maxx

doesnt matter.  it is but a human concept anyway  @John_C_87

John_C_87

@maxx
That was a surpising from you maxx, isn't that the same as saying science doesn't matter?
"Can I take it as a you don't care?

maxx

science is a learning process, what we call science is  an acummulation of knowledge built up over generations and passed down to others. justice is a human concept and is useless without the backing of laws  @John_C_87

John_C_87

@maxx
"We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union."
So would you say science is also trying to form a more perfect union of its own?

maxx

no.  science in its origins is and was nothing more than an atempt to learn about the world and ion that regard, all individuals are scientists. @John_C_87

Barnardot

@maxx ;no.  science in its origins is and was nothing more than an atempt to learn about the world and ion that regard, all individuals are scientists.

Well what your got to realize is that science is used to make just about every thing we have like iPhones and even were I work we knock off thousands of chickens and we use heaps of science like not every one knows this but what happens when we ring there necks and pull there guts out then we throw them down this shoot with heaps of ice and they cool down real quick so that people don’t get infected when they go to eat them and they used science to work that out. And what the point is is that they weren’t finding out the word when the did that any way.

John_C_87

@maxx
no.  science in its origins is and was nothing more than an atempt to learn about the world and ion that regard, all individuals are scientists.

Learning is not a search for a perfection in understanding about the world? I don't understand elaborate please.

maxx

i said in science origins, all learning was based upon trying to understand the world and in tha regard, all humans were and are scientists.  as well about your idea of a perfect unoion; there will never be one as long as people have opposing thoughts.  @John_C_87

John_C_87

@maxx
"What you said is doens't matter." Did you mean to say you simply just never care about justice?
 there will never be one as long as people have opposing thoughts.
The best connections of learning at the time is not the perfect union?
Trying to understand and a more perfect union are not two ways to say or hold something as sumular?

A more important or precise point made is that finding a more union or connection, precise means a cost is identified as the best connection. Payment is to be made at the time of service so to say not pay later, maybe.

maxx

justice is a human concept and without laws to back it, there would be no justice.. justioce does not exixt in the universe except as where humans create it and back it by laws.  even as such backed by laws, there is nio true justice either. for human backed justice to work, then it would be the same for all.  @John_C_87

John_C_87

justice is a human concept and without laws to back it, there would be no justice.. justioce does not exixt in the universe except as where humans create it and back it by laws.  even as such backed by laws, there is nio true justice either. for human backed justice to work, then it would be the same for all.

I think more importantly justice is backed by truth and laws are best held if they are written as a self-evident truth. However, you are not explaining if you had ever noticed that the 1st Amendment does not hold a state of the union with justice by word. I like our discussions but am still curious if you had noticed this point before or not. Have you identified that justice is not a mentioned part of the 1st Amendment written as a Bill of Rights?

maxx

perhaps by reading between the lines.  equality, and freedoms is a type of justice, no seizures or searches with ouit warrents and so on @John_C_87 ;

John_C_87

perhaps by reading between the lines.  equality, and freedoms is a type of justice, no seizures or searches with ouit warrents and so on.

Perhaps - used to show that something is possible or that you are not certain about something:
PERHAPS | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Type or goal of the measurement of justice? 

Are you afraid to just answer without details to the reason of asking the question, did you know or have seen the use of justice specifically not in the 1st Amendment? You are welcome to elaborate if you like on any answer I was hoping for a direct answer before we elaborate.

Justice -

1a: the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments

 Judge especially : a judge of an appellate court or court of last resort (as a supreme court) a supreme court justice  --used as a title

c: the administration of law

2a: the quality of being just, impartial, or fair

b(1): the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action

(2): conformity to this principle or ideal: righteousness

3: conformity to truth, fact, or reason 

Justice Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

maxx

Truth is also a humanconcept.   You are trying to back one concept with others.  Also, the preamble does mention justice.  @John_C_87

John_C_87

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It not only mentions justice it links it to expressing a liberty to find a perfect state of a union.
 U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 You are trying to back one concept with others.

Maxx I'm just asking a question and you are just answering the question. What society proves about the truth afterwards is not part of this debate. As we can see in the preamble yes justice is held in a united state of words with truth as an introduction of public fact. You did not remember or recognize it was there...We can still discuss the possible impact this precedent might hold for you or us if you like.

all4actt

Article 1 section Iii

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/45

John_C_87

@all4actt
Sorry need some contex if you please?

What is the link for? What am I looking for inside Article Three, Section One?
What does then link have to do with the preamble "We the people" meaning the introduction of fact and truth acting as legal precedent to the Articles of American Constitution which are written after?

Have you noticed that the 1st Amendment doesn’t have the word justice specifically described in writing as part of its state of the union presented as the  “ Bill of rights “?

all4actt

@John_C_87

Sorry meant to provide the link.

https://judiciallearningcenter.org/article-3-and-the-courts/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/45&ved=2ahUKEwiN--CY37L4AhUcKEQIHT-5Au0QFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw04wKxIuhtz4xnRKDrWhn7z

It was added by the founders after the language was agreed upon.

A lot of the articles in the constitution are just as important and almost as old.

all4actt

@John_C_87

The entire article has to do with setting up a judicial system.  It is part of the 11th admendment.

Barnardot

@all4actt ;The entire article has to do with setting up a judicial system.  It is part of the 11th admendment.

What a lot of people don’t realize is that these are amendments and your got to think what it was that was amended in first place any way. Take the 11th amendment what did that actually amend and if it was amended then why can’t they amend that again because it is only an amendment any way.

John_C_87

all4actt said:

@John_C_87

The entire article has to do with setting up a judicial system.  It is part of the 11th admendment.

Yes, that is true.
Could the entire Article also be more than the setup of an establish justice system? 
Could it also describe a relief of command to establish justice as congress has been given a power to ordain a Holy order on. We the people and the established justice we hold as a united state.

Eleventh Amendment is saying a courts can be relieved of command and not interpreted and run without order of law. It is interpreted by some  people to mean a State or Government office cannot be sued by law. While it is an understanding of Presidential powers which create all men equal by their creator. A power by the way that cannot be just handed to a woman by vote of the public. She must be endowed by her creator that all women are created equal as _________ Something. The description I chose was Presadera. It is a sue of legal precedent and law without crime to hold all women in a united state under constitutional principles.

We are always in a contest to explain the more perfect union to an established justice which is we are to look for liberty and explain the boundaries of no cost in freedom.