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Should the minimum wage be raised to $20/hr?

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I want to know what you think of the minimum wage being raised. Some of you may even think that it should be higher than that.



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  • theinfectedmastertheinfectedmaster 33 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: $15/hr is still too little

    I think the minimum wage should be raised to $20/hr because it would help to break the wealth gap.
    OakTownA
  • exconexcon 562 Pts   -   edited July 26
    I want to know what you think of the minimum wage being raised.
    Hello t:

    It's not quite as simple as that..  Let's look..  Can a person working a full time minimum wage job, support their family?  No, they can't..  So, who makes up the difference?  We do through myriad programs for the poor..

    Therefore, it's MY view that we (you and I) should NOT subsidize the Walmart's of the world.  I'd be happy if they raised taxes on Walmart (and every other minimum wage payer) to fund programs for the poor...  

    Is that a roundabout way to raise the minimum wage??  Yup.

    excon
    OakTownA
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 978 Pts   -   edited July 26
    @theinfectedmaster

    No, artificially inflating goods and services in a market is not a good idea. All this will do is destroy small businesses and create monopolies that can afford the sudden inflation. Prices for goods and other services will also increase dramatically to make up for this. 

    In the end, the market will just adjust and level out but small businesses will get destroyed and unemployment will skyrocket.

    Until the labor market adjusts you are creating a premium for unskilled labor.  I'm not sure what economies thrive by driving their workers towards unskilled labor.

    The only reason the wage gap matters at all is because people are driven by emotion and jealousy and it can cause people to commit more crime as they feel cheated.  However even those in poverty in the U.S. most likely wouldn't want to trade places with people in China whose government controls their economy.  In reality it seems like they have a small piece of the pie comparatively but they still have more than most in China for instance.
    markePlaffelvohfen
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4676 Pts   -  
    I am okay with it being raised to 20 Venezuelan dollars per hour. Even better if the supporters of this proposals also have the maximum wage of 20 Venezuelan dollars per hour forced on them. After all, they like price controls, and what currency is better to receive wages in than the one from a country the government of which caused the economy to shine in all colors with its price control policies? :)
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -   edited July 27
    Of course it should be raised which those on a good wage will mostly disagree with because we all know only certain people should have the necessities of life 

    Modern Americans sound like self entitled Victorians ……..”the audacity of the working classes demanding an extra 3 pence a week outrageous”

    A basic wage should cover the basic necessities of life if it doesn’t it’s exploitation 



    PlaffelvohfenxlJ_dolphin_473
  • markemarke 403 Pts   -  
    @theinfectedmaster

    Governmental wage and price controls have the negative effect of disrupting businesses and damaging the economy.
  • markemarke 403 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    Rich socialist and communist politicians love to take other peoples' money and distribute it around as they see fit.
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    @marke

    Rich socialist and communist politicians love to take other peoples' money and distribute it around as they see fit.

    Funny that I live in a capitalist country with social policies so again you’re just ranting 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • markemarke 403 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    America has always had social policies, just not policies that put the secularist government in charge of running businesses and controlling prices and wages so no worker could earn much more money than a bum by working harder and sacrificing more.
  • DeeDee 4773 Pts   -  
    K@marke



    America has always had social policies, just not policies that put the secularist government in charge of running businesses and controlling prices and wages so no worker could earn much more money than a bum by working harder and sacrificing more.

    LOL sure buddy keep telling yourself that ……Bet Jesus would hate you 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • raisin98raisin98 7 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: No

    I think the minimum wage shouldn't be a constant wage but rather the employee's cost of living so long as they can still be considered poor or even lower middle class. This way if they get one job, they will have the ability to at the very least provide for themselves and hopefully the minimum wage also accommodates allowing the employee in question to save some money on the side as well. It wouldn't make sense to have $20 an hour in places where the cost of living Is lower than that while in places where it's expensive to live you aren't getting enough.
  • piloteerpiloteer 1531 Pts   -  
    excon said:
    I want to know what you think of the minimum wage being raised.
    Hello t:

    It's not quite as simple as that..  Let's look..  Can a person working a full time minimum wage job, support their family?  No, they can't..  So, who makes up the difference?  We do through myriad programs for the poor..

    Therefore, it's MY view that we (you and I) should NOT subsidize the Walmart's of the world.  I'd be happy if they raised taxes on Walmart (and every other minimum wage payer) to fund programs for the poor...  

    Is that a roundabout way to raise the minimum wage??  Yup.

    excon
    That's the can do attitude that makes you a legend. 

    Amazon and Target have a much higher expected growth than Wal-Mart though. Wal-Mart is still on top, but with a 20% expected growth rate for Amazon compared to a less than three percent growth rate in that same time frame for Wal-Mart..........well, we can all see the writing on the wall. Would your plan require massive tax burdens on those other companies when they get to the top, or should we just go ahead and tax them before they get the chance to get as big as Wal-Mart? 
  • @theinfectedmaster
    I want to know what you think of the minimum wage being raised.
    If we keep rasing the minimum wage at some point we are going to reach a starting wage where all those who create jobs will simply want to start over and just work for someone else as the phisical demads are much less.
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 2925 Pts   -  
    Honestly, in my opinion, a minimum wage wouldn't fix anything... I think we should look into policies about CEO-to-worker compensation and establish a maximum ratio... In the 50's and 60's (arguably the time when the middle class was thriving in the US) that ratio was averaging 20 to 1, went up to 50 to 1 in the 80's and it's now at a whooping 278 to 1 on average, McDonald ratio is a mind-blowing 3,101:1 ratio... The wage ration of the top earner in a company should not go over 20 or 30 to 1... This way, there is no actual limit for a CEO's pay... If you want a 20 million/year pay as a CEO great, no problem, but the lowest paid employee should be paid 1 million/year...  If you can't pay the lowest employee more than 25k/year, then the top earner shouldn't be paid more than 500k/year... It's a very reasonable ratio...
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4676 Pts   -  
    Honestly, in my opinion, a minimum wage wouldn't fix anything... I think we should look into policies about CEO-to-worker compensation and establish a maximum ratio... In the 50's and 60's (arguably the time when the middle class was thriving in the US) that ratio was averaging 20 to 1, went up to 50 to 1 in the 80's and it's now at a whooping 278 to 1 on average, McDonald ratio is a mind-blowing 3,101:1 ratio... The wage ration of the top earner in a company should not go over 20 or 30 to 1... This way, there is no actual limit for a CEO's pay... If you want a 20 million/year pay as a CEO great, no problem, but the lowest paid employee should be paid 1 million/year...  If you can't pay the lowest employee more than 25k/year, then the top earner shouldn't be paid more than 500k/year... It's a very reasonable ratio...
    I like this kind of arguments. I propose to take it a step further and recognize that we are all beneficiaries of our ancestors... I propose that Plaffelvohfen is not to be allowed to have more than 20 times as many possessions as the poorest human in human history did. Basically, take the brokest of the broke hunter gatherer from 20,000 BC, multiply what he/she had by 20 - and that is the cap on Plaffelvohfen's wealth.

    It's a very reasonable ratio...
    PlaffelvohfenMichaelElpers
  • Honestly, in my opinion, a minimum wage wouldn't fix anything... I think we should look into policies about CEO-to-worker compensation and establish a maximum ratio...

    I don’t think the wording is quite right on this thought, CEO’s do not get workers-compensation and those on workman’s comp do not need stock options a part of their unemployment. In a way through the idea has an interesting twist as this might mean those on unemployment would be rewarded with higher unemployment when they in turn become a part of a lower number group of people on unemployment.


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