When Does Life Begin?

John_C_87

@Sargonski
You are not addressing anything said to you.
"I did address what you said directly it is admiting the state of the union made with established justice and personhood is inadiquit because of an inablilaty for a group of people to understand when a person due to age can be made, if they can be made a citizen of a nation."
but that is just the science --- 
Correct science as well as people fail to make a solid connection to established justice because it cannot tell when life starts. As a consequence of failure constitutional states of the union can be described as better and are placed on the table. The fact of law to argue which is better the murder as a united state of law is immigration of the very young child that is not a citizen of a nation at the time their movement into America ends. The question of right being sought for an answer of science as truth, whole truth, and nothing but truth is in the form of the question does an immigration process stop when a pregnancy is terminated?

  science not the determining factor in such cases of constitutional Law .. 
Science has been made a witness in an American United States Constitutional state of the union of the better right or the worse wrong.

  where Gov't wants to mess with individual liberty 
Women, men, and lawyers have combined to create a failure in perfection to a connection to established justice the process of governing is a victum in their crime of perjury. Is it that hard to believe humans are not perfect all the time, by all efforts, even when highly educated? Any form of speech that can be construed as an admission to a potential confession of crime is not a library as a connection to established justice.

 .. but has no legitimate authority to do so. 
Legislators be it state licensed lawyer, or some other professional persons do in fact have a legal obligation to do just that describe civil liberties clearly to the best of their abilities. It is in writing, and they often say an oath to those ends in America. The difference is how a council of law might be held by the process of Constitutional right and how a professional person might be held are not equal by their won practice or right.
Thus -- from a constitutional perspective -- an overwhelming consent is required ..    at least 67%    .. the bar is 75% of states in the case of a Change to the Constitution ..  which this would not require .. but might be an idea.
Simply said you are talking about ratification of United States Constitutional right not the preservation of Constitutional right. The Courts findings matter and when a Constitutional Right or better said an American United States Constitutional right that has been ratificed is found to be impefect.

 "Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation." 19th /1865 +
 "Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation." 13th / 1865 +
"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." 14th. / 1865 +
 "The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation".15th. / 1865 +

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."10th / 1791 

So that there is clarity, these speculated civil rights are legal disclaimers in law not American United State Constitutional states of the union with established justice or other parts of the American Constitution Preamble.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. / 1791 

Do you see a noteable change in writing between the years 1791 and 1865 ?

Sargonski

Argument Topic: Abortion is not in the Constitution mate ...

@John_C_87

once again you avoided the central point ---   yammering on about some nonsense that does not apply  -- 

Gov't has no legitimate authority to mess with essential liberty --   Constitution gives a list of some of those liberties .. but was never intented to cover all ..   in such cases ..  Gov't must appeal to "We the People" for a change to the Social Contract -   construct by which the people give consent ---  at least figuratively.      Its how the system was set up ... how it is supposed to go

The whole point of a Constitutiona REpublic is what  John ..     and whats the point of Robbery when nothing is worth taking. 

If  you answered  -- To avoid Tyranny of the Majority ...   give yourself full marks ..  ===   If you didn't know that  ..  blame the education system   .. as through 12 years we manage not to teach kids the founding principle. 

What we have is a group of Political Puppets ..   Every sitting member should be dismissed for dereliction of duty ...  failure to interpret law on the basis of the DOI -- founding principle - Rules of the Constitutional Republic. 

SCOTUS is a Kangaroo Clown Show ..  and thus fail to apply the rules ..    removing the safeguards put in place to protect essential liberty ..  down the slippery slope we have slid ..  so far the mountain top no longer visible. 

Abortion law exists on the basis of Clown show Justices ..  who hate the founding principle  ..  pandering to  Religious right theocracy ..    ..  there is no legitimate Secular justification for   Law against abortion   up until around 22 weeks. 

John_C_87

once again you avoided the central point ---   yammering on about some nonsense that does not apply  -- 
I'm offering a better state of the constitutional union between all women and established justice.

                                          "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

U.S. Constitution - The Preamble | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Constitution gives a list of some of those liberties. 

Article II Section I

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, or Presadera, in Vice Executive office chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

The executive power shall be vested in a Presadera of the United States of America. She shall hold her office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, or Presadera, inVice Exsecutive office chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Possible location Artical II Section V

                                            In truth is no the American Constitution does not give those list of liberties. What you are addressing are the First Ten Amendments made on American United States Constitutional Right. It is the First Ten Amendments that are labeled as "The Bill of Rights." The American United States Constitution has a Preamble prior to the declaration of Constitutional Right. A preamble is a legal introduction of fact and truth into a written legal document the liberties are listed as a United State which can be held by a person, by lawyer, who at the time had been only men licensed under equal power of justice. Laws are written to expedite established justice. United State Constitutional Right is written to as the facts and truth of preamble state form then more perfect union the simple speed in the path to establish justice.

                                           Female specific amputation is an insured domestic tranquility to provide for the common defense which promotes the general welfare of the indoctrination of woman as a republic democracy bound in constitutional right. We the people of the United States of American republic are being held as a witness to raise the standard of legislation of law. It is not a tyranny it is an accidental malpractice of law which looks like tyranny.

Sargonski

Argument Topic: Disingenuous Oblivion

@John_C_87

Failing to address what was stated to you -    yammering on about some constitutional list -- having nothing to do with justification for abortion Law.. 

Just not sure whether or not it is pretend or real  ?!

John_C_87

Argument Topic: Ratify or not?

@Not Sure

You have no justification of all imperfect Pregnancy Abortion law...All that you speak of in debate is a common defense towards the imperfections of Pregnancy Abortion law as a truth, whole truth, and nothing but truth even without the help of one GOD if you had the ability to represent that before the courts as real as well.

Precisely, we are debating the United States Constitutional Right set around a form of immigration that only a women can perform.  

Name one man who has by law given birth after being impregnated by a woman. There is a very long list of women who have by fact of law been impregnated by a male and have gone on to perform an immigration that has been the cause of death to women. By the use of law incorrectly.To ratify or not to ratify, that is the question. I come not to bury women I have come to show one of the two lights of GOD. That light we see easily and that light we must adjust as humans to see at all. All women are created equal by their creator. That creator of a women’s democracy grievance of United States Constitutional Right.

Failing to address what was stated as yammering on about some long list -- having nothing to do with justification for abortion Law. only the connection to a popular or unpopular preamble of fact and truth.

John_C_87

@Not Sure
Argument Topic: Abortion is not in the Constitution mate ...

 Pregnancy had been found to be unconstitutional so should we be surprised it is not in American Constitution directly? I‘m not.

Article III

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Article III | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

 "Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation." 19th /1865 +
 "Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation." 13th / 1865 +
"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." 14th. / 1865 +
 "The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation".15th. / 1865 +

All of these quotes from Ratifed Amendments of the United States consitutions introductioin of preambel truth and fact describe Congress to have limited power to enforce only by appropriate legilsation.
A women is the Ambasador by assumed law of nature as she is the border herself born between life and liberty. 

John_C_87

@Sargonski
Failing to address what was stated to you.
I fail to address the grievence in the way that has been cleard by inappropriate legilsation.

Why was it inappropriate legislation, a person might ask, it is due to lack of Presidential representation brought on by Civil liberties taken in Civil Court be it for right or be it wrong. The United States Constitutional Amendment # 16 The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. < --------Imperfect connection to estabished justice.

U.S. Constitution - Nineteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 How can it be made perfect?  It is lack of Presidential / Presadera representation the right of a female as citizen of the United States of America, held from the representation on taxation paid on a federal level, that no natural born female citizen be denied established justice, by common defense, under ensured tranquility for her actions of ambassador, as the creator of women, and as a creator of men, to vote for the appointment of Executive officer.

No woman who is a mother of a child of posterity be held from vote as a mother without approprate conviction of felony crime or treason, for she is now by her choice the males new mother though she is not asked to migrate him as well as a the nation’s posterity, witnessed before the civil union, natural parents, or adopted parent, which ever and all that shall still thrive.

Thrive : to progress toward or realize a goal despite or because of circumstances 
Thrive Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

intransitive : to move from one country, place, or locality to another

Migrate Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

As a state if the union there is a series of Articles and Sections of the United States Consitution which first are to be expanned by the states of the union they are to hold.
At which time there is a series of Amendment of the Bill of rights which then to be expanned by the states if the union set by preamble.

The executive power shall be vested in a President Presadera of the United States of America 
A note for future debate it is this line in Article II section one that desciribes all men are created equal. As the Exsecutrive powers show be vested in President of the United States of America. The powers of Presdient shall not be vested in the executive officer. The oath of office describes  "Before he / she enter on the Execution of his /her Office, he / she shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:–I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President / Presadera of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Oath of Office for the Presidency | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Swolliw

@Dreamer ;Abstinence is murder!

And persistence is rape.

Victor_van_Helsing

Argument Topic: Life begins at fertilization or conception

Many argue through the strawman method that it's "My body my choice". Yet, they defy the logical aspect that there is responsibility when you have sexual relations that are not within wedlock. It is only women who get pregnant, however, men do have a part to play in doing so. Why is that? Because biology teaches us that in order to reproduce, a man gives his sperm, while the woman has the egg in her ovaries. The sperm fertilizes the egg in order to make a fetus. We have all been there in each of our mother's womb, individually. Whether that individual is a boy or a girl, gender/sex is determined at birth. There is no such thing as a "spectrum". Snowflakes who tell me otherwise are invalidated and will be silenced by more facts and truth. There are only 2 genders; male and female. Life begins as soon as a woman gets pregnant. That fetus is alive. To have an abortion is murder indeed. If women do not want a pregnancy, THAN DON'T OPEN YOUR LEGS TO A MAN UNLESS YOUVE MARRIED HIM AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WANT A CHILD. An abortion just proves you are running from responsibility and yes, I am talking to both men and women because it takes one man and one woman to create a child. That responsibility falls on both, not just the woman. However, the woman does bear more since they are the only ones who do carry the child in their wombs. That is where life begins. If you believe that the unborn is not living, than we could say the same about you now eh? If you dehumanize a developing human in any woman's womb, even if you are a woman but never got pregnant before, than you are less human than any fetus about to be born into this world. The unborn youth have so much potential to be good in this world. I have watched films where detectives questioned themselves, "How can I bring a baby into a world that is so full of evil?"

Well, the only answer I have is, "Newborns just bring so much hope for people of the older generations so that they can hopefully turn things around and stop as much evil as a future generation that will learn from what people have done wrong and never do it again, such as teen sex and drugs."

The problem these days is that there are many who scream and deny the truth. Pro life is pro science. It has been proven that all fetuses are living, as we have all been there. Our mothers could have easily aborted us and some of you might not care. However, have a talk with your parents, perhaps they can enlighten you with their wisdom. But for those of you who have unfortunately lost your parents...I can only say, they loved you so much that they wanted to bring you into this world so you would have a chance to live a good life. If you aren't appreciative of that, it's truly a pity. I will never back down that baby lives do matter and that lgbtpedos do not because all they care about is mutilating children, pride, drag and endless adultery that will never satisfy their desires. 

Leave our children alone, protect the unborn and our young. These are absolute objective universal truths. Whether you like it or not, I will label all of the opposition as truthphobes, Christophobes, binaryphobes, genderphobes, infantphobes and heterophobes. 

John_C_87

@Victor_van_Helsing

A woman is an ambassador in an immigration process wed or unwed assigned by law of nature. The immigration process does not change sides and is life threatening to a woman as a united state. Life begins with the egg and is only extended by the introduction of sperm to the egg as a whole truth, and nothing but truth. The last 50 years in America and worldwide has been nothing but strawman arguments to hide incompetence in law and in the display of any American United States Constitutional preservation, protect, or defense.

There has literally been no state of the union with preamble of United States Constitutional union, female-specific amputation is not pregnancy abortion, thanks for nothing. 

Leave our children alone..

They are not your children you must emancipate the child by court order. This will never be done not because it is impossible for the court to do so, but only impossible because the new legal ambassador acting as guardian assigned by a court can be then equally charged with the death of a mother who has been forced into a life-threatening immigration process.

These are absolute objective universal truths.
Abortion is not one of them...

Sargonski

Argument Topic: Life begins with the egg and is only extended by the introduction of sperm to the egg as a whole truth, and nothing but truth.

@John_C_87

Sorry John  --  but Life does not begin with the Egg --    Animate does not come from inanimate ..     the gleam in your daddy's eye looking at your mom's backside was life ... and from the union of this life .. as necessary to the process as sperm and egg coming together - came you. 

Life is a continuum .. 

John_C_87

@Sargonski
Sorry John  --  but Life does not begin with the Egg --    Animate does not come from inanimate ..     the gleam in your daddy's eye looking at your mom's backside was life ... and from the union of this life .. as necessary to the process as sperm and egg coming together - came you. 

Male human sperm are produced on a daily basis, a female human egg is produced in cycles of 28 days. The age of the female egg is greater than the age of most male sperm making the egg older. The egg ages and dies being rejected by the female body. Sperm also age and die within the male body. Sorry, basic addition in mathematics does not agree with people, medical doctors, or scientists performing medical practice testimony in court. Has the question been asked in a way which is clear or was it associated with legal prejudice before having been asked as truth?

If only the truth set in the laws of nature had been on your side.

Sargonski

John_C_87 said:

@Sargonski
Sorry John  --  but Life does not begin with the Egg --    Animate does not come from inanimate ..     the gleam in your daddy's eye looking at your mom's backside was life ... and from the union of this life .. as necessary to the process as sperm and egg coming together - came you. 

Male human sperm are produced on a daily basis, a female human egg is produced in cycles of 28 days. The age of the female egg is greater than the age of most male sperm making the egg older. The egg ages and dies being rejected by the female body. Sperm also age and die within the male body. Sorry, basic addition in mathematics does not agree with people, medical doctors, or scientists performing medical practice testimony in court. Has the question been asked in a way which is clear or was it associated with legal prejudice before having been asked as truth?

If only the truth set in the laws of nature had been on your side.

 If only you could manage a coherent thought ... the Truth in the laws of nature is on my side .. .. what part of animate does not come from inanimate  are you having trouble adding up ?    

What question would you like asked in court ?    as regardless of expert .. none gainsays the metabolic perspective ..  life existed prior to the mighty Zygote ..   was requisite in its creation..     basic 1 + 1 mate .. no extensive logic skills required. 

John_C_87

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@Sargonski
If only you could manage a coherent thought.  

Doesn't mean you can understand a coherent thought, you only suggest coherent yet cannot handle even basic grade school math in a coherent way. 28 > 1 is true, 28 is greater than 1, the reasonable doubt the human egg exists for 28 days and is existing 1- 27 days longer then something which exists for 1 day has been broken, there is no reasonable doubt the egg is older. On top of that, we are not addressing when life begins in your many replies, we are answering a question that is not even asked in this debate. The question we answer, me by association to debate you by choices made against truth in the side of debate. I argue against it. When does a male become connected to the human birth / immigration process of life? This is the question being answered by a response that was coached and is said to describe as a truthful answer to when does life start. There is reasonable doubt in a fact such as the answer given by you as it does not match the question asked in whole truth and nothing but truth.

"no extensive logic skills required." 

At this point I’m afraid you need to be read Miranda rights, you have a right to remain silent anything you say can be held against you in a court of law, you have a right to an attorney who cannot be charged with the crimes you are being held for / accused of. Do you understand these rights clearly as they have been written for you.? There is a skill required you must be able to make a evaluation to connect your answer to questions you in fact are asked to asnwer. 

When Does Life Begin?  

What question would you like asked in court?

A Court of law as common defense towards a general welfare has a legal obligation by it process of prosecution to address the establishment of nothing but truth. A reason is to be given as why coaching of witness testimony in courts of law are in the form of establishing a timeline as to when a man is taking part in an immigration process, and not the principle of nothing but truth asigned to saing when life begins.

Not to the point. As an answer to a question asked perjury has been claimed as grievance against the answers given about cause of pregnancy, also obstruction of justice. We are kind at this point, the republic, to describe the issue as malpractice of law. We the people, I as Person / President have Right in expectation that the court would uphold truth, whole truth, and nothing but truth, be it with help from GOD as it is known by fact, or as it is not known. I am President by action of republic in holding all men in the state if equality on a legal subject matter as state of the constitutional union. Forming an Independent democracy consisting of only men. The grievances include and are not limited to answering a question in nothing but truth and this has not been executed regarding pregnancy abortion and has legal consequences. No matter how complicated the ways, nor by how many different types of acts of Congress as obstruction to states of the union made between justice prevented, or justice lost by time limitation of given for criminal trials. The expectations remained the same. It should also be noted that the outcome has major influence on what is seen as collectable debt which is stored under the terms of service as National Debt in America.

as regardless of expert .. none gainsays the metabolic perspective life existed prior to the mighty Zygote ..   was requisite in its creation..     basic 1 + 1 mate .. no extensive logic skills required. 

This is nothing but a lie plain and simple and yes basic mathematics describes life existed before fertilization, that lie about the starting of life becomes perjury in a court of law while under oath, or even perjury if the argument makes its way to a political process of appropriate legislation, or as note into National Debt by way of associations to executive order. I will repeat the facts slowly for you. A female egg has a life cycle of 28 days this means the egg is created already alive for 28 days, then has 28 days +- to become fertilized, to move on and live longer. Human sperm has a life cycle of a day and lives for about 24 hours. You are speaking of principles of medical treatment of one kind, on a theoretical clinical patient of one kind over another form of treatment and patient at a level of medical malpractice, as you are not bound by any state medical license you have no fear of repercussions of your malpractice of medicine. You still are, however, lying about a grievance filed publicly by a break created in a state of the union held by 1st Amendment.

Sorry John  --  but Life does not begin with the Egg

So, we remain clear in a statement of nothing but truth an egg does have a brief moment when it might be younger than a counterpart sperm, and then can be seen as younger the human egg no longer older than human sperm. This fact is marginalized due to the inability for the ongoing violation of medical privacy and privacy laws by the public that cannot ascertain facts of who and when this one 24-hour possibility exists between women and men out of 28 days now known as fact give or take hours. You make no mention of this fact as truth...You are not answering the question of when does life begins, you are answering a question not asked and are claiming that both questions are the same. When are all men created equal by their creator and become entangled with the process of immigration descried as a birth in which a women’s life is placed in danger?