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Trump is calling out his mob again. You goin??

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  • OakTownAOakTownA 366 Pts   -  
    I think The Bard said it best:
    "It is a tale Told by an , full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

  • OakTownAOakTownA 366 Pts   -   edited September 16
    I think The Bard said it best:
    "It is a tale Told by an , full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

  • BoganBogan 195 Pts   -  
    Trump is right again.   Any attempt by the Left to arrest Donald Trump over the Mar-a Lago raid will be seen by about half the population of the Democrats using any means necessary to remove a political opponent they fear.   This is right out of the CCP or Vladimir Putin's playbook.     The USA, once touted as the 'world's greatest democracy" is in real danger of a civil war.   Attitudes pertaining to what Americans think are right or wrong values have become so polarized from multiculturalism and left wing thinking, that the gap between the competing parties is now unbreachable.   

    Rummaging around in any person's belongings using an open warrant allowing the state to look for anything to convict them on, is completely contrary to the long established principles governing search and seizure.   Any evidence found would be fruit from the poisoned tree and not admissible in court.   I suspect that the real reason for the FBI raid was because Donald Trump was using classified documents to build his case that the leadership of the FBI was using underhanded tactics to spy on his campaign, and the Feds needed to know what was in those documents.    They were so terrified of what would be revealed by Trump using the documents, that they had to retrieve them at any cost.       The FBI leadership knew that this would create an historical scandal but they gambled on the ability of their friends in the fake news press to run interference for them, to get away with it.       
    OakTownACYDdhartaSkepticalOne
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4713 Pts   -  
    Trump seems to misunderstand what country he is in, thinking that, like in many dictatorships, he can rile up the mob and hence affect the verdict of the court. Yet, with all the flaws of this system, the system of justice in the US is still mostly uncorrupted, and if there is evidence to indict Trump, then he will be indicted, no matter how many supporters he gets agitated.

    I do not see the point of such events in general, for that matter: a former president is not a president. I have never understood why people go listen to Clinton, or Bush, or Obama: they have no official roles at this point, and they are not intellectual geniuses that warrant getting out of your way to come and listen to. Trump is no different: the guy at this point is just a successful businessman, and while I would take his advice on how to run a business seriously, when it comes to politics, he is nobody now.
    OakTownACYDdhartajack
  • jackjack 45 Pts   -   edited September 17
    Bogan said:

    Any attempt by the Left to arrest Donald Trump over the Mar-a Lago raid will be seen by about half the population of the Democrats using any means necessary to remove a political opponent they fear.
    Hello B:

    Couple things.  In the REAL world, the FBI and the Justice Department are ANYTHING but the left.  DU-DE!!

    To me, stealing our nations secrets and selling them to our enemy is certainly WORTHY of a criminal investigation. No?

    And, if he wasn't selling 'em, isn't leaving 'em laying around, where I'm SURE a Chinese spy could get 'em, WORSE???

    And, then after he gets CAUGHT, isn't calling on his mob to RIOT in the streets, where people will be KILLED, even worse than that?

    Du-de!

    excon
    CYDdhartaOakTownA
  • America as a nation has always faced big problems regardless of any court formal accusation or indictments made addressing any one man or women. "We the people in order to form the more perfect union with established justice."

  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    @jack

    What secrets could the Chinese possibly want that they haven't already gotten from Feinstein or Swalwell, people who were actual security threats?
  • BoganBogan 195 Pts   -  
    Gidday, Mr Jack.

    Even a wild eyed ideological zealot like your good self should have the brains to see the glaring differences in the way that the FBI and the US Justice Department handled Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Donald Trump.      It is clear to me that the bureaucratic elite in the USA is making a grab for absolute power by prosecuting their political opponents, which every totalitarian leadership does routinely.       Your country is heading towards a civil war if people like yourself will not recognise that your civil service (of which I am sure you are a member) is right out of control.      The only hope that they USA now has to prevent a left wing socialist tyranny eventually taking absolute control of the US government, is the hope that the next US election is free and fair, and that enough people in the USA are smart enough to vote Republican.
    OakTownA
  • jackjack 45 Pts   -  
    CYDdharta said:
    @jack

    What secrets could the Chinese possibly want that they haven't already gotten from Feinstein or Swalwell, people who were actual security threats?
    Hello C:

    Feinstein and Swalwell didn't have the nuclear codes..  Trump did..  Maybe he sold 'em to the love of his life, Kim Jon Un. 

    As a hard and fast right winger, I can't image that you're ok with a security breech of this magnitude..  I guess the Trump koolaid'll do that to you.

    excon

  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    @jack

    There was no security breech and nuclear codes were not among the documents in Pres. Trump's possession.  

    What would Kim Jong-un want with nuclear codes anyway, to launch a first strike on himself?  Think for a change.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 341 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: The Danger

    CYDdharta said:
    @jack

    There was no security breech and nuclear codes were not among the documents in Pres. Trump's possession.  

    What would Kim Jong-un want with nuclear codes anyway, to launch a first strike on himself?  Think for a change.
    How do you know the contents of Top Secret documents?

    Nuclear launch codes are for ANY TARGET ON EARTH.  With America's nuclear launch codes, Kim Jong-un could attack America's allies.  Think for a change.
    OakTownA
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1823 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    Wrong.  Launch codes are, well, launch codes.  They are not targeting instructions.  The targets are preprogrammed.  Think for a change.
  • @MayCaesar

    Trump is no different: the guy at this point is just a successful businessman,

    I would question that description. I mean, he did bankrupt a casino...isn't the house always supposed to win?!

    OakTownA
    A supreme being is just like a normal being...but with sour cream and black olives.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 341 Pts   -   edited September 21
    CYDdharta said:
    @JulesKorngold

    Wrong.  Launch codes are, well, launch codes.  They are not targeting instructions.  The targets are preprogrammed.  Think for a change.

     Based on a Wikipedia article:  After issuing the launch code, the president would then decide which attack options (specific orders for attacks on SPECIFIC TARGETS) to use. The attack options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs) and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the launch codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special secure channel.

    With launch codes and attack options, any bad guy could nuke SPECIFIC TARGETS.

    Do some research before making bullsh-it claims.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4713 Pts   -  
    SkepticalOne said:

    I would question that description. I mean, he did bankrupt a casino...isn't the house always supposed to win?!
    The house winning is just the most basic requirement for a casino to be viable at all. There are many other considerations in place: the infrastructure has to be maintained, an army of bureaucrats and lawyers maintained to make sure all the legal requirements are continually satisfied, security has to be trained and maintained, the land has to be paid for (with a huge premium when it comes to casinos), a large chunk of profit needs to be paid as tax, state-wide (perhaps nation-wide) ad campaigns have to be performed... Running any business of a somewhat large size is no trivial matter, and when you are running hundreds of them, just statistically, at least, some of them are bound to fail.

    Say what you will about Trump, but anyone who is not an absolute master of the business world is going to quickly lose all of their capital when competing against the top sharks. If Trump gave me a business advice, I would absolutely listen and take it seriously. What I would not absolutely listen to and take seriously is his philosophical, economical or political ideas: he has no clue about these things.
    SkepticalOne
  • MichaelElpersMichaelElpers 986 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar

    If you commend Trump on his business knowledge, I'm not sure why you think he'd have no political or economic ideas.

    I mean he was elected president so he has some idea on politics.

    Note I don't agree with all his ideas but to say he has no clue is maybe pushing too far.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4713 Pts   -  
    @MichaelElpers

    He knows how to appeal to the audience; he knows how to play politics. It does not at all imply that he has any idea what effects various policies actually have. Based purely on his comments, it is quite clear to me that his knowledge of economics and politics is abysmally poor. Then, again, so is knowledge of most high-level politicians in Washington. Trump is a Keynesian interventionist through and through, and a much less sophisticated Keynesian interventionist than the most.

    People can have very specialized skills and be largely ignorant outside of their areas of expertise. I am an expert on physics, statistics, a couple of programming languages and certain other narrow fields; you would not want to make me a dean of a university department of Anthropology though.
    OakTownA
  • OakTownAOakTownA 366 Pts   -  
    "What secrets could the Chinese possibly want that they haven't already gotten from Feinstein or Swalwell, people who were actual security threats?"
    And what evidence do you have that Feinstein or Swalwell actively gave secrets to the Chinese government? Yes, there was a Chinese spy who tried to befriend Californian politicians, including Swalwell, but he was cleared of an improprieties, as the investigation found that the spy did not receive ANY information from any of the politicians she was wooing.


    jack
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