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The Quran contradicts the bible and is therefore not the word of God

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This is a debate on whether or not the Quran contradicts the bible.



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  • PepsiguyPepsiguy 26 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Why the Quran contradicts the bible

    contradiction 1

    The bible only mentions 1 unforgivable sin, that is the "blasphemy of the holy spirit":
    Matthew 12:31-32
    Matthew 12:32
    Mark 3:29 
    This sin cannot be performed today because Jesus is not down here performing Miracles. He sits on the right hand of God

    But what does the quran say?
    * surah 
    2:8-1*8


    contradiction 2

    The bible says that God NEVER lies:

    Titus 1:2
    Numbers 23:19

    but the Quran says
    * surah 3:54

    contradiction 3

    Jesus is referred to in the bible as literally God himself and the son of God the father:

    Luke 3:22
    John 10:30

    however the Quran reduces him to a mere servant and just a prophet:

    * Surah 19:30
    * Surah 
  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne Gold Premium Member 1608 Pts   -   edited November 14
    Let's agree the Quran and the Bible contradict - how does this make the Quran 'not the word of god'? It could be the Bible is not the word of God...or neither the Bible nor the Quran is the word of god. 

    Excluding personal preference, how are we to determine which holy book (if either) is the word of god?
    OakTownA
    A supreme being is just like a normal being...but with sour cream and black olives.
  • DeeDee 4846 Pts   -   edited November 14

    The Quran contradicts the bible and is therefore not the word of God

    So anything that contradicts the Bible is not the word of god therefore the Bible is the word of god ….fine , prove it?
    OakTownA
  • PepsiguyPepsiguy 26 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Off topic

    @Dee Whether or not the bible is the word of God is another topic of its own. However any book outside the bible that contains heresy is not the word of God. 
  • PepsiguyPepsiguy 26 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: The bible's test of truth

    The bible has a perfect test for truth:
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 18:20-22&version=ESV
    In essence: If they speak for another god or if their prophecy does not come true, then they are a false prophet. So basically if people followed this then we would ignore Harold Camping, the 2012 prediction, crazy climate alarmists, etc.
  • PepsiguyPepsiguy 26 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Why are there atheists here?

    I'm sorry but this is a non-muslim vs muslim debate. The debate is not about the truth of the bible but I can say this:

    The oldest Hebrew bible manuscripts date to the 7th century BC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketef_Hinnom_scrolls#:~:text=The%20Ketef%20Hinnom%20scrolls%2C%20also,ever%20made%22%20for%20biblical%20studies.

    The oldest nigh-complete bible manuscripts is the great Isaiah scroll which came 2 centuries before Jesus and shares no difference with a modern translation. In fact translators use these super-old manuscripts.

    The oldest new testament manuscripts date to around the 2nd to 3rd centuries ad: http://https//biblearchaeologyreport.com/2019/02/15/the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts/

    The oldest accounts of Jesus' life are the gospels and the Pauline epistles: http://https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#:~:text=The%20seven%20Pauline%20epistles%20considered,may%20include%20information%20about%20Jesus.

    Although most Muslims believe that the bible has been corrupted and that the Quran is perfect, the Quran affirms the bible:

    • “Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light” (Surah 5:44a; 2:87).

    • “And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil)” (Surah 5:46).

    • “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)” (Surah 3:3).

    • “If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers” (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43).
  • DeeDee 4846 Pts   -  
    @Pepsiguy ;

     However any book outside the bible that contains heresy is not the word of God. 

     However any book outside the Quran that contains heresy is not the word of God. 
  • DeeDee 4846 Pts   -  
    @Pepsiguy

    Utter nonsense 
  • BoganBogan 203 Pts   -  
    If Jesus "sits on the right hand of God" then Christians believe in two Gods.
  • @Pepsiguy

    Argument Topic: Why are there atheists here?

    This is a religion forum. It should not come as a shock that various religious positions (including atheism) can be found here. 

    That being said, as a non-believer of Islam and Christianity, I wonder:

    "Excluding personal preference, how are we to determine which holy book (if either) is the word of god?

    A supreme being is just like a normal being...but with sour cream and black olives.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4800 Pts   -   edited November 14
    You must realize that any Muslim can make the exact opposite argument: "The Bible contradicts the Quran, therefore the Bible is not the word of god". Furthermore, had you grown up in a deeply religious Muslim household, you would be making the exact same argument in place of your current one.

    Have you ever noticed how in different parts of the world people have dramatically different religious views, yet those views are extremely similar within the parts themselves? The average resident of Atlanta has very different religious beliefs from the average resident of Tehran, but within Atlanta people generally have very similar beliefs, as they do within Tehran.

    This is not the case in virtually any other domain concerned with describing reality and making use of that description. Cars in Japan are built using the same general designs as cars in France; math in Japanese universities is the same as math in French universities; water dams in Japan are the same as water dams in France... But the Japanese almost exclusively do not believe in the single creator-god, while the majority of the French do. How can this be?

    The answer is simple: religion is fiction. Fictions have always differed between different people, but were similar within a given population, because that fiction is inspired by the local history and culture. Religious claims cannot be independently tested and verified, only learned and accepted as fantasy stories which they are.

    What does it tell us about which religious book is "right"? It tells us that the question makes no sense. Which story is right: the Chinese "White Snake", or the Danish "King's New Clothes"? Which describes real historical events? Neither, obviously. And the same is true for the Bible and the Quran.
  • PepsiguyPepsiguy 26 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar the quran affirms the bible, if the bible is not true then the quran collapses, it is like stacking blocks. Imagine the Hebrew bible/old testament as the base block, the new testament as the block on top of the base, and the quran is the block on top of the new testament block. If you remove the lower blocks then the top blocks collapse.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 4800 Pts   -  
    Pepsiguy said:
    @MayCaesar the quran affirms the bible, if the bible is not true then the quran collapses, it is like stacking blocks. Imagine the Hebrew bible/old testament as the base block, the new testament as the block on top of the base, and the quran is the block on top of the new testament block. If you remove the lower blocks then the top blocks collapse.
    Not at all: it is possible to imagine a universe in which Quran provides an accurate description of the history of the world and is the word of the creator of this world, while the Bible and Torah are heretical fiction stories written by people with limited knowledge. Quran may have built upon the Bible and Torah, just like Einstein's relativity theory has built upon Newtonian mechanics - yet correcting errors in the original and making it somewhat obsolete.

    It could also so happen that neither of the books are the word of the creator of the universe, but each contains true elements of that word. Quran corrects some of the errors in the Bible, yet introduces new ones.

    Finally, it is possible that both books are the word of the creator of the universe, despite contradicting each other. The creator may very well have spoken different words to different peoples - one simple possible reason being its curiosity, the desire to see how humans are going to resolve this contradiction; another possible reason being a purposefully set up experiment, to let different holy books compete with each other and see which one prevails.
    Afterall, nobody said that the god's word itself must be true. The god may very well has spoken words that conveyed false information - it did not have to tell the truth to humans, even if it did speak to them.
  • JoeKerrJoeKerr 286 Pts   -  
    Before you start to debate what is and what isn't the word of god, you first need to have evidence that such a god exists 
    otherwise, it is all just speculation and proves nothing.
    Why anyone would want to associate the words of the bible and the quran with the god they worship is beyond me. Two books filled with crazy nonsense and barbarity.

  • SwolliwSwolliw 1477 Pts   -  
    @Pepsiguy
    This is a debate on whether or not the Quran contradicts the bible.
    No it's not. In fact it isn't a debate. It is a grandstanding piece of crap by one person extolling his prejudiced, self-centered, delusional rant that his Christian religion is right, therefore, Islam is wrong.
    Am I right, or am I right?
    That's right, I'm right.
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