Is Delusion Bad?

ZeusAres42

@Swolliw

How do you know you are not delusional right now?

ZeusAres42

Swolliw said:

Delusion: [dɪˈluːʒ(ə)n] Noun, a false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, occurring especially in mental conditions.

According to the definition, delusion occurs especially in mental conditions which is understandable, given that those who have full-time psychological disorders such as schizophrenia and spiritualism we would expect them to be deluded full-time.

John Kennedy Jr. was a very alert, intelligent, well put-together guy but he came undone very tragically one day when he crashed the plane he was piloting, killing himself, his wife and sister-in-law. It turns out that he suffered an attack of spatial disorientation when he became deluded in believing what his mind was telling him rather than the flight instruments. That was a bad form of delusion even though it was temporary and influenced by outside factors.

But what about normal every-day folk who just want to escape from reality and indulge themselves in watching a movie, reading a good book or having a few drinks. You could say that these people are slipping into a form of delusion which probably does us all the world of good.

So, is it possible that, from time to time we can all have delusions to our benefit?

FYI, your fallacies are definist and begging the question and a few others. You just gave the psychological definition of a delusion and then used it as a blanket definition for the term in all contexts. In addition, you have assumed that this means that all schizophrenics are under false beliefs 100 percent of the time. Furthermore, you have equivocated that Spiritualism is a psychological disorder. Some really wild argumentive claims here bruh @Swolliw.

Don't worry though buddy. I don't think your delusions are bad. I mean they aren't harming anyone. In fact, IMO they are rather amusing. PS, Merry Christmas and enjoy the rest of that Moroccan woodbine.

Nomenclature

Argument Topic: The Entire Mental Health Industry Is Rooted In Delusion

The fact is that mental illness can never be accurately diagnosed because it lacks physical symptoms. If I go into the doctor with a sore knee he can perform an x-ray and find the physical problem, but mental health is different. Mental health professionals have to rely on things like behaviour and speech patterns to make a diagnosis and, while they aren't always wrong, they are wrong a huge percentage of the time. One study found that 51 percent of patients with an initial diagnosis of schizophrenia were not schizophrenic, and 43 percent of those had no mental health disorder at all.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/patients-misdiagnosed-schizophrenia

MayCaesar

In certain specific cases, delusions can be very helpful. Say you are flirting with an attractive lady who hates your guts, but you are in the delusion that she is crazy about you and that delusion gives you confidence and boldness - and that confidence and boldness eventually makes her actually fall for you, and you live together happily there after. This would not have been the outcome had you been realistic about the situation.

However, if a part of your general approach to life is based on a delusion, then in the long run it is going to work against you. It is impossible to make a consistent mistake about the facts of the world and benefit from it: this mistake is going to cause you to consistently act under wrong assumptions about reality, and this approach is going to be inferior to the reality-based approach. If you consistently think that everyone loves you and is crazy about you when that is not the case, then one day you will likely end up in a courtroom facing sexual harassment charges, or get fired when you least expect it and do not have any savings prepared for it, or get in a street fight and get beaten up badly.

Regarding drinking, I do not think many people are under delusion with respect to what they are doing. Few people think, "Oh, I am going to drink a cup of vodka and that will make me into Einstein!" People know very well that alcohol is going to make them unable to function properly, and that is kind of the point. Entering a delusional state voluntarily, fully aware of the consequences, is very different from becoming delusional while thinking that one is not. I can plan for my delusional states: I just drank a cup of fine Amaretto to relax after a long day full of physical stress, and I did not exactly expect to produce any philosophical masterpieces as a consequence (in fact what I am typing right now could easily come up to be complete garbage, and I am okay with that!). Delusional states that are a product of genuine confusion, however, are unplanned for and can have drastic consequences.

ZeusAres42

Nomenclature said:

The fact is that mental illness can never be accurately diagnosed because it lacks physical symptoms. If I go into the doctor with a sore knee he can perform an x-ray and find the physical problem, but mental health is different. Mental health professionals have to rely on things like behaviour and speech patterns to make a diagnosis and, while they aren't always wrong, they are wrong a huge percentage of the time. One study found that 51 percent of patients with an initial diagnosis of schizophrenia were not schizophrenic, and 43 percent of those had no mental health disorder at all.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/patients-misdiagnosed-schizophrenia

@Nomenclature

Did you actually read this study? Take the following for example:

A retroactive analysis of patients referred to a psychiatry consultation clinic with an initial schizophrenia diagnosis found that about half of all such diagnoses were inaccurate upon further review.

This does not mean that mental health professionals around the globe are wrong a huge percentage of the time. I mean that is one hell of a leap to conclude this based on a single study review centered around a consultation clinic in someplace.

With that being said, I guess things in the medical arena have only just marginally improved in the last few decades, depending on what country or state you are from that is. At least for the last few decades, Primary care physicians have probably been selling their patients short most of the time (Prof. Trish Greenhalgh: How to read a medical paper). And we are not just talking about mental health professionals here. The thing we need to remember is that medical science isn't a binary science like Math or Physics where an equation either works or it doesn't; it's actually a bit more complex than that, with more variables, lots of low and high probabilities, and never or almost never 100% certain.

Nomenclature

Argument Topic: Your Question Is Ridiculous

You asked if I read the study, so is your belief that I took a guess at the statistics listed in the study and got them right by coincidence? Because that's quite possibly one of the most moronic things anybody has ever said to me. Moreover, I post on sites like these a lot, so I'm no stranger to people writing daft things.

I find it quite amusing actually, that you can literally be looking at a study which proves that mental health professionals were wrong over half of the time when diagnosing patients with schizophrenia, and yet your reply is to claim it doesn't mean mental health professionals are frequently wrong. I'm not quite sure how to react to somebody saying something so overwhelmingly contradictory to the material he is reading.

I mean, the title is literally:-

Patients Are Commonly Misdiagnosed with Schizophrenia

And your response is to sarcastically ask me if I've read it, for proposing that patients are commonly misdiagnosed with schizophrenia? Is this some sort of joke, or are you actually this dense?

The article goes on...

Margolis, a professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, and clinical director of the Johns Hopkins Schizophrenia Center at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, said his team’s findings reflect trends among first-line clinicians, referral psychiatrists, and even flawed electronic medical record (EMR) devices.

His team's findings reflect trends among first-line clinicians and referral psychiatrists. Do you understand what the words "reflect trends" mean?

Swolliw

@ZeusAres42 ;

Primary care physicians have probably been selling their patients short most of the time

I think that's because, as Nomenclature was pointing out, it is hard to diagnose a mental condition and specialists have to be as much of a detective as being a psychiatrist in diagnosing mental disoreders. 

I have argued often as to the mental state of those who believe there is a God or any other supernatural phenomena. Whilst we know these people are clearly deluded, the (Oxford Press) definition implies that this is not a mental condition itself but more a symptom of a mental condition. But then the definition does state that it occurs especially in mental contions.Therefore we can accept that those who suffer delusions to a considerable degree, have a mental condition or disorder. Given that John Kennedy Jr had only a temporary state of delusion, one could not rightly claim that he had a mental condition. However someone who fervently believes there is a God 24/7 and governs his or her life according to the aparition can be said to have a profound mental disorder.

Swolliw

@Nomenclature

The fact is that mental illness can never be accurately diagnosed because it lacks physical symptoms. 

That is indeed one of the challenges faced by those charged with diagnosing the condition. You can't feign a severed limb but psychiatrists and psychologists quite often need to have several sessions with a patients before they can get the true thoughts of the patient and I think these professionals will invariably develop the skills of a detective in order to ascertain the truth and dig out the information.

I was aiming the thread specifically at delusion which, according to the definition (Oxford Press) seems more to be a symptom of, rather than a mental condition itself.

In particular, I have argued many a time about spirituality and delusion. For example, most people who claim to believe in God do so as  blasé throw-away line. Those who do fervently believe there is a God (or any other supernatural phenomena) however, are deluded and you would then use that as a springboard to diagnose any underlying mental disorder.

Swolliw

@MayCaesar

In certain specific cases, delusions can be very helpful. Say you are flirting with an attractive lady who hates your guts.....Regarding drinking

I suppose that having a few drinks suppresses many of our thought patterns and awareness which is a form of delusion and, although my drinking days are behind me I still find it an effective, even if mild, form of escape to have a few beers.

Have you seen the movie "Shallow Hal"? On the face of it, any movie starring Jack Black, Jason Alexander and Gweneth Paltrow has got to be pretty light on and mainstream. However throw Tony Robbins into the mix and you have a surprisingly in-depth and serious expose of the mental condition. A converse situation of your example, Hal (Jack Black) somehow believes that the ugliest, fattest girl in town is a lithesome, gorgeous blond. In this case, when he overcame his delusion, Hal's "shallow" view on life took a turn for the better. Worth watching, or even again if you have seen it...many themes going through that movie.

Bogan

Yes, delusion is bad.    Anyone who thinks that races are equal is obviously suffering from delusions.    

maxx

imagine that, regardless of the evidence!  fits you well. Allicin and health: A comprehensive review - ScienceDirect  and you refuse to Accept the evidence so that  makes you; as well as certain others deluded.@Swolliw

Swolliw

@Bogan

Anyone who thinks that races are equal is obviously suffering from delusions.    

In which case I think that's a good delusion since you would not be prejudging anyone just because they belong to a particular race.
Oh yesssss. You dug yourself into that one good and proper.

Bogan

@Swolliw

For a person like you who claims to know a thing or two about psychology, you sure don't seem to know enough.   Everybody prejudges, and everybody stereotypes.    That is how people think.   People need to form judgements about others every day for their own safety, prosperity, and survival.     it is impossible to know everybody personally.    So we judge people by their group associations and what is known about those groups.    That is prejudging, and there is nothing wrong with it provided that the prejudgment is based upon a reasonable assumption.       If you had to go for a swim at a beach and you looked around for a stranger to watch your belongings while you went for a swim, would you choose a white family man with a wife and kids, or would you choose a surly looking young black man with dreadlocks and prison tattoos all over his neck, face, and body?

Mr Swallow wrote     In which case I think that's a good delusion since you would not be prejudging anyone just because they belong to a particular race.

Anytime you have the guts to debate me on this issue, please go right ahead.    My favourite racial prejudgment and stereotyping quote comes from the leader of the US NAACP, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who once famously quipped "When walking in the streets of Washington at night, I feel much safer knowing there is a white man behind me, than a black."

Swolliw

@Bogan

 Everybody prejudges, and everybody stereotypes.  

And here we go folks as the resident racist launches into his usual blanket cover tactic.

Frank Zappa is accredited with once saying: "We're all coloured, otherwise we wouldn't be able to see each other."

Bogan

@Swolliw ;   And here we go folks as the resident racist launches into his usual blanket cover tactic.

And here we go, folks, as another posturing, virtue signaling anti racist who is so delusional about racial equality, that he is too frightened to even debate this subject, dodges the issue again.    I think you read a psychology book and think you know it all, although they were obviously not the books that I read.     Everybody prejudges and everybody stereotypes because that is how people think.    If you disagree, all I have to do is to wait until you do it yourself and throw your quote back in your face.    I have done this dozens of times with well meaning and misinformed people like yourself, and I really get a kick out of doing it.

Mr Swallow quotes  Frank Zappa is accredited with once saying: "We're all coloured, otherwise we wouldn't be able to see each other."

Oh wow!   That is just so profound!   Was Frank Zappa your only source on why you think that races are equal?    C'mon ma-a-a-a-te.    If you don't even know yourself why you think that races are equal, then it is obviously something that has been conditioned (brainwashed) into your head, like a religious catechism.   It is a BELIEF, no different from "I believe in God the father, maker of heaven and earth, and his son, Jesus Christ, who was crucified and buried, and rose from the dead........"    A belief  that you can not justify, even to yourself.   It is a delusion, a psychological disorder.   A meme which has been implanted into your head as a thinking boundary, which you have been conditioned to never think beyond.

I find it funny that you are forever starting topics slamming religious belief as illogical, and attacking the religious premises of your opponents in a very superior way, when you have a social belief which is just as illogica,l which you refuse to even talk about, much less justify.       Is it because you, yourself know that you can not defend your belief?    And so that would put a crimp in your favourite pose, that of a far seeing social progressive talking down to the plebs while behind you is a chorus of singing angels?

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Reasoning?

@Bogan
Could you explain the reasoning behind your belief that some races are superior?

Swolliw

@Bogan

 that he is too frightened to even debate this subject, dodges the issue again. 

I wouldn't exactly use the word "frightened". It's more a matter of being sporting. I mean, let's face sit; a diluted weasel's p  argument such as, "Everybody prejudges, and everybody stereotypes" is hardly going to make the cut, is it? So, bring it on....chuck down a glove.

Swolliw

@JulesKorngold

Could you explain the reasoning behind your belief that some races are superior?

I think what he means is that some members of some races believe they are far superior to others. I suppose you could call it a form of elitism and you can see it oozing out of the woodwork in other facets of life such as religion. Here we find each religion, even each denomination, looking down at all others as inferior heathens. You can even find this syndrome just pop up quite randomly with individuals such as Hitler. He had a very unsavory style in which he would suddenly burst out into fits of uncontrollable temper, single somebody out who dared have a different view to his and belittle him with gratuitously cruel and vulgar personal attacks. It's just as well we won't see the likes of that self-righteous control freak again, will we?

Swolliw

@maxx

....and you refuse to Accept the evidence .....

Yeas well, I suppose it's just me  and the way I read into things and I admit that it is just the way I am.

Like when I see qualifications such as "promising capacity" of allicin to interact with thiol groups seems to be directly related to its antimicrobial "potential".......alarm bells ring in my head and I just go off into this weird tangent of thinking that the writer is deliberately playing with words in order to say something but actually saying nothing.

I know, I know. I shouldn't be thinking like that and just accept face value but I know that I'm not alone in thinking like this. In fact, anybody with half a brain happens to think the same way.

jack

Swolliw said:

Delusion: [dɪˈluːʒ(ə)n] Noun, a false belief or judgment about external reality,

Is Delusion Bad?

Hello S:

1.  For me, I'd rather deal with the world as it IS. 

2.  So, how do I know the world I inhabit is real??? 

3.  See number 1 above.

excon

Bogan

@JulesKorngold ;   Could you explain the reasoning behind your belief that some races are superior?

I would love to explain to you why aces are not equal, Mr Korngold. as a matter of fact, I even have a topic on this site devoted to just that.    But you see, I have a problem with you.    You do not appear to have any desire to debate this topic on it's merits.    I have already realised that Dee, Piloteer, Barnadot, and recently jack/excon are just trolls who are not interested in debate, they are trying to stifle debate.    So I either don't respond to their posts at all, or I just heckle them like they heckle me.    The jury is still out on you.    My memory is that you were doing your best to heckle me also, so I would have to get an assurance from you that you will respond to my posts in an intelligent manner, not just with sneery one liners and nothing else.

To begin with, I will give you some background.   Just like yourself, I was brainwashed to believe that all races are equal and I accepted that.    After all, it was a noice concept and I wanted to believe it.    And belief in that concept in the western world is practically mandatory.    Labelling somebody as a "racist" meant that they were utterly without brains or morality.    They were Nazis or Ku Klux Klansmen, social pariahs, people beyond the pale of decent, mainstream thinking.      But you see I am a perceptive man and a natural heretic, and it did not take me long to figure out that those who claimed to be the most noble anti racists, were in fact extremely racist towards white people.   My people.   And probably your people.    

Now, just in case you have not figured it out yet, there two mutually exclusive racist theories explaining why some ethnicities are always dysfunctional.   Not just in every western county where they are always a crime and welfare dependency problem, but even in their own countries.

The first racist theory, is based upon the widely accepted truism that every race is equal.    Therefore, the only possible reason why these notorious ethnicities are always dysfunctional is because it is all the fault of white people.    This is now being taught in schools as Critical Race Theory.   Now, blaming one race for the problems of another, just happens to be racism.    Hitler blamed the Jews for the problems of the Germans, and that is supposed to be a classic example of racism.    Yet here we go again, and we blame the white race, my race, who invented the modern world and created the most prosperous age in human history, and we get blamed for everything.   And people like your good self  can not see past your ideological blinkers and cultural conditioning, and recognise this obvious racism directed at your own people.  

The second racist theory, is that races are not equal, especially in the "bell curve" of IQ.    Therefore, the reason why some ethnicities are always dysfunctional is because as a group,  they are just not smart enough to function in the modern world, where a certain level of brains are mandatory.

On the basis of impartial examination, everything I have seen, watched, read, and listened to,  tells me that the second racist theory of ethnic dysfunction is the correct one.    And no amount of name calling, heckling, moral posturing, or virtue signaling can convince me otherwise.    Of course, I will be very happy to be proven wrong by listening to someone who wishes to debate in good faith, but in many years of bringing this topic up on debate sites, nobody has ever tried to do that.      I doubt if you will do otherwise.      My presumption is that alI we will get from you is moral grandstanding and a lot of sneery superiority.   Which leads me to believe that I am right, and that my opponents simply have no idea of why they think the way they do.    To them, it is a culturally implanted Absolute Truth that must never be questioned.   So they are simply unable to formulate a reasoned argument to justify their belief.    All they can do is heckle and act superior.

  
  

Bogan

@Swolliw ;  

 Mr Swallow wrote     I wouldn't exactly use the word "frightened". It's more a matter of being sporting. I mean, let's face sit; a diluted weasel's p  argument such as, "Everybody prejudges, and everybody stereotypes" is hardly going to make the cut, is it?

 I would judge that a sneery two liner.    Don't address the subject, just act superior and call your opponent names.     I warned you on the  "Should public religious schools be allowed to exist in the U.S.?"  topic, that I would catch you out stereotyping yourself, and here is a quote from you doing just that.   "And how is it any different to what Christians do?......Preaching hatred?"     Which proves my point.    Everybody stereotypes and everybody prejudges.    Time for you to go into a quiet, dark place and contemplate upon what I have written.    You may learn something about how you, yourself think.  

 

 Mr Swallow wrote     So, bring it on....chuck down a glove.

 Take that, vartlet  (smack).   And that (smack.)

 

Mr Swallow wrote     I think what he means is that some members of some races believe they are far superior to others.

 You can not debate rationally on this subject, so you just put a false spin on what I supposedly believe, and then heckle this position which you invented.

 Mr Swallow wrote     I suppose you could call it a form of elitism and you can see it oozing out of the woodwork in other facets of life such as religion. Here we find each religion, even each denomination, looking down at all others as inferior heathens. You can even find this syndrome just pop up quite randomly with individuals such as Hitler. He had a very unsavory style in which he would suddenly burst out into fits of uncontrollable temper, single somebody out who dared have a different view to his and belittle him with gratuitously cruel and vulgar personal attacks. It's just as well we won't see the likes of that self-righteous control freak again, will we?

 Actually, I see a different religious perspective from you.       Just like religious people, anti racists have been culturally conditioned to accept an irrational premise that all races are equal.    Don't think about it, you must BELIEVE!.  You must BELIEVE!    They are then taught to look down on anybody who questions the prevailing orthodoxy as the most disgusting of heretics..   It is a form of elitism.  And just like religious people, anti racists can not justify their beliefs with a rational, evidence based argument.  

maxx

let me put it this way; try to understand.  Over many posts, I have given plenty of evidence. Plenty.  Now de is just on this site to deride, ridicule, and insult. Zeus, I don't know WHAT his problem is. May, would rather grade the paper than to look att he evidence. I have given links from universities, professors, doctors, science, nutritionists, and so on. Not only do you fail to accept the evidence, you think that they are all making it up; and if you can not show me evidence that proves the links wrong, and still not accept the evidence, then by the very definition you are delusional @Swolliw

Dee

@maxx

  Now de is just on this site to deride, ridicule, and insult. Zeus, I don't know WHAT his problem is. May, would rather grade the paper than to look att he evidence. I have given links from universities, professors, doctors, science, nutritionists, and so on. 

Wow ! You really are obsessed with preaching your new age b-ll sh-t . This site is a joke I go elsewhere for debate ; you cannot prove one of your garlic wonder cure claims and your favourite response is …’the reason hospitals , doctors and pharmacies don’t use it is because there is no money in it for them ‘ proving you’re a typical brain dead conspiracy theorist ; so sure I always ridicule , deride and ridicule greasy haired kiddy fiddlers  like you 

Swolliw

@Bogan

I would judge that a sneery two liner.   

So would I and as you very well know it was in answer to your challenge to a debate and referred to your argument that was so cringingly weak and laughable that it was perfectly in context.

Don't address the subject, just act superior and call your opponent names.

I already did....eleven posts back as you very well (should) know, it was pointed out that you used an unqualified and thus redundant "blanket cover" argument.......it is you who is refusing to address the subject and reply to my retort .....ohhhhhh yes...and we have forgotten about the debate now, have we. 

This should be good. I would guess that after no more than two addresses, you will give up and start launching into the usual personal attacks. After all, what can you do when on the losing side...there are no logical nor reasonable arguments to make so....derrr, let's resort to personally attacking the writer and anti-racists; like derrr it sounds good to me.

Swolliw

@maxx

and if you can not show me evidence that proves the links wrong

There you go...case in point. You certainly know how to use their language now, don't you? Just shove the "IF" word in, and you cannot be accused of making a false comment.

Swolliw

@jack

So, how do I know the world I inhabit is real

Good question and the best way to address that is by doing a simple but effective, practical demonstration. I will come up to you with a length of four by two and wop you fair and square over your noggin with it. Then, you can tell me whether or not it was real.

Victor_van_Helsing

Argument Topic: There are only 2 genders, gender/sex cannot be changed, age is not fluid.

It depends on the situation really. If it's just mere fantasy, it should be fine. But if the individuals believe themselves to be something they are not, that's when it gets bad. For example, the whole toxic transgenderism movement. They believe in mad science technically that gender can be changed and bendable aka fluid. But is it? 


The answer is no. It's a very rhetorical question. Biology goes against "gender theory". So yes, in this case, delusion is bad, especially when these people, the cultists of the snowflake alphabet stealing cult want to push it further onto kids and adults alike to force them to believe their beliefs are real when it's mere delusions. Age is also not fluid. Those who believe it is are pedophiles and are masking themselves as "normal" folks in society. Delusion is a danger to the individuals themselves as well as to others. If you've heard and studied about Body Integrity Dysphoria, it's the same condition as Gender dysphoria, "the belief that something isn't right with the individual, whether male or female alike". In the case of body integrity dysphoria, it's the belief that an arm or a leg doesn't belong to the individual. With gender dysphoria, it's the belief that an individual is not male or is not female when he is born as he is as a man or she is born as she is as a woman. Ellen Page is a delusional snowflake who is still a woman, yet she believes she's a man. That's what I call bad delusions. Bruce Jenner suffers from the same condition of gender dysphoria and yet, he is still a man. He refuses to be a man but he is still a man. Facts do not care about your feelings. I have spoken all absolute objective universal truths.

Bogan

@Swolliw

Still no reasoned argument from you justifying your religious belief that all races must be equal.    Just a dummy spit and a hissy fit.

maxx

again, i have given plenty of evidence, yet you refuse to accept it, so since you can not prove the links incorrect, then you are deluded for not accepting what the majority of the science community states.  @Swolliw @Dee ;  Allicin: Chemistry and Biological Properties - PMC (nih.gov)

Dee

@maxx

then you are deluded for not accepting what the majority of the science community states

Deepak Chopra is not the majority of the science community , I think you meant the pseudoscience community …….what? Oh you’re welcome  

maxx

that is a quality top scientific link, it is not fake science. why don't you and sawlloiw actually read it and then explain what part is incorrect and explain why it is incorrect. Or should I answer that for you? Because you can not. Why don't you and swalliow ; since I have posted plenty, give me some quality sites that proves that allicin has not the benefits so stated? Again, because you can not. @Dee

Dee

@maxx

From your own source …….

 The presence of any article, book, or document in these databases does not imply an endorsement of, or concurrence with, the contents by NLM, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), or the U.S. Federal Government.


                                                                  ZING 

Your own government doesn’t even back up any claims made in your B-———t paper 

maxx

you are not much of a debater. To claim someone is wrong without proof. Maybe you can find a comiic book ad that shows allicin has no benefits. Here is a site from the national library of medicine. got anything in return?  of course not.  Allicin: Chemistry and Biological Properties - PMC (nih.gov) @Dee

Swolliw

@maxx, @Dee

 so since you can not prove the links incorrect,

We can and have done so...many times. it is you who will not accept that it has been proven to you many times that your links are completely bogus and in the case of two, are fraudulent. 

Do you wish to comment now on the fraudulent links that you posted and that were pointed out to you and also pointed out to you with the proof that they are fraudulent....three times and to which you refused to comment on each time?

And would you also like to comment on the proof that was given to you numerous times that the remaining links were totally bogus and the proof was given to you?

Answers please........

(This is how to a complete nit-wit folks)

Swolliw

@Victor_van_Helsing

the cultists of the snowflake alphabet stealing cult want to push it further onto kids and adults alike to force them to believe their beliefs are real 

I think that you will find that transgender people are not "pushing" their ways onto anyone. They are certainly creating public awareness, and so they should after being shunned and ridiculed by ignorant, arrogant thugs for so long. They are perfectly normal human beings and we live in an age where we tolerate and accept those who live in minority groups.
The fact is that there still remains in society those who are self-centered and bigoted (and usually religiously motivated) who refuse to accept anyone who is different or has different views to them.

But, if we simply ignore these undesirable, anti-social misfits, just like a dog t**d lying in the gutter, they will just dry up and disappear, never to return again and decent, civilized society will be that much better off for it. 

Swolliw

@Bogan

Still no reasoned argument from you justifying your religious belief that all races must be equal.    Just a dummy spit and a hissy fit.

I thought you were going to initiate a debate. But then....as if?

Okay then....here we go.......as usual, I will take the lead and start one....

Dreamer

Argument Topic: Delusion as a self defense mechanism against shock and patternicity.

Our bodies evolved over million of years. Some of our distant ancestors lived three million years ago. The main concern was immediate physical danger.

For example being eaten by a jungle cat, bitten by a poisonous snake, etc. That being said being delusional can be a very helpful survival mechanism. If your sibling suddenly dies, spending years grieving could get you eaten. Instead, being delusional and hoping the sibling will show up soon would be more efficient.

We also need patternicity to help recognize predators. Even if it leads to false positives.

On the other hand, being delusional as in denying climate change can be very bad. Propagandists and grifters exploit the human mechanisms of patternicity and delusion. On the other hand if we are so aware of society's problems we never get out of bed maybe delusion is still useful today.

Bogan

I @Swolliw ;  I thought you were going to initiate a debate. But then....as if?

I started that topic 18 months ago.      A topic that you studiously avoided because you may BELIEVE that races are equal, but you know you can not justify your culturally conditioned delusion.

Dreamer

Argument Topic: Hi, Maxx I recommend sciencebased medicine.

@maxx

Due to confirmation bias and cherry picking fallacy is it too easy for a person to come to the conclusion that they want rather than what is true. In the past, I've spent a lot of time and energy to come to the incorrect conclusion. There is where trusting experts come in.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/garlic-the-fragrant-panacea/

"What does seem fair to conclude is that there is no persuasive evidence that garlic or garlic supplements can prevent hay fever attacks or protect against insect bites. Moreover, there is no clear evidence that regularly consuming garlic or garlic supplements provides any meaningful anti-bacterial, anti-viral, or anti-fungal effects." Scott Gavura June 9, 2022

I would trust sciencebased medicine and move onto another topic. More evidence could emerge either way.

Swolliw

@Bogan

I started that topic 18 months ago.      A topic that you studiously avoided 

Nonsense, you challenged me 3 days ago ........ "Anytime you have the guts to debate me on this issue, please go right ahead." I somehow recall those were your words. Am I right or am I right?

To which I replied and created the following debate..... https://debateisland.com/discussion/8820/are-white-people-better-than-black-people Am I right or am I right?

And to which you failed to participate.....Am I right or am I right?

Good, now we have the facts straight, don't we?

Dee

@maxx

Re-posting  a debunked paper that even your government and health service refuse to endorse demonstrate admirably my contention that you’re a new age vegan nut job

You still cannot name one reputable doctor , medical practice or pharmacy that uses garlic instead  of tried and tested medicines 

I told you before human excrement is of far more value in medical institutions as in its use in fecal transplants a technique used worldwide in reputable medical institutions ; yet you cannot name one reputable hospital that uses garlic to treat patients , you really are similar to the flat earth guy  I see is again back on site; possibly a relation of yours?

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/fecal-transplant

Bogan

@Swolliw ;   Nonsense, you challenged me 3 days ago ........ "Anytime you have the guts to debate me on this issue, please go right ahead." I somehow recall those were your words. Am I right or am I right?

You are right. 

Mr Swallow wrote     To which I replied and created the following debate..... https://debateisland.com/discussion/8820/are-white-people-better-than-black-people Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong.   I have never stated that white people are inherently superior to black people.     You are deliberately and with malice misrepresented my position.  The issue is, are races equal?

Mr Swallow wrote     And to which you failed to participate.....Am I right or am I right? 

You are right.  I will not take part in a debate where you deliberately misrepresent my position in the topic heading.     However, I double dog dare you to get onto my topic "Are Races Equal" and have a civilised debate, where the first question I will ask you is, how do you know that races are equal?      Like Maycaeser who never stopped dodging this crucial question, my prediction is that you will didge it also.   Because you, yourself, have no idea how you got deluded into thinking that races must be equal.    I also predict that you will chicken out and not go onto my topic.    Instead, you will stand on your dignity and pretend that you are not scared of engaging in debate with me on this important topic.   

Debating tip.    Don't show anger.    If you show anger, it means that your opponent knows he is getting to you, which is causing you to have an emotional response.

maxx

I suggest thst you do more research, as well as read the dozens of links I have made on this topic over the past few months. Here is but one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6271412/ ; @Dreamer ; as well, your link( which is ad bait) talks about allimax, t is not a natural constituent of the chemical properties of garlic. read the link I gave you. If you are like dee and swalloiw you will ignore the evidence. If you have an open mind, I can send you a dozen others.

maxx

look loser, give me proof that it does not work. You can not.@Dee

maxx

deluded loser @Swolliw

Dee

@maxx

look loser, give me proof that it does not work.

Listen pedo you cannot name one hospital or doctor who uses garlic instead of actual medicine 

You can not

Yet you’re the one hasn’t s shred of proof for your claims pedo 

Dee

@maxx

If you have an open mind, I can send you a dozen others.

You seem angry is it because you had a bad day trawling the kiddies playgrounds .......again? 

Bogan

Hi Maxx.    Dee is just a troll, and the best way to deal with trolls is to just ignore them and let them play their stu-pid games with each other.    My advice to you, is don't give the fo-ol oxygen.

Swolliw

@Bogan

You are wrong.   I have never stated that white.....

No, I'm right....I did post the topic.....after you did not post one, given that you had ample opportunity to. And if you don't like the title then tough titties isn't it. I called the shots in the end but nevertheless you continue to make up every excuse under the sun to not debate when it comes to the crunch just as you made every stall possible to actually challenge by debate. What is stopping you from putting your arguments into the debate?