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Should we regulate the internet against extremists as suggested by Theresa May?
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By agsragsr 842 Pts
New international agreements should be introduced to regulate the internet in the light of the London Bridge terror attack, Theresa May 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-internet-regulated-london-bridge-terror-attack-google-facebook-whatsapp-borough-security-a7771896.html



passedbill
  1. ?

    9 votes
    1. Yes - Regulate the internet
      11.11%
    2. No
      88.89%
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1606 Pts
    With each false flag more and more rights are stripped away. 
    passedbill
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • I will give a fist bump to that @Erfisflat . Less rights and more supervision.
    Erfisflat
  • There is no way that she can possibly do anything to regulate the internet. The ideas she suggests can be easily bypassed by anyone with a small amount of experience.
    Zombieguy1987
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1606 Pts
    By definition I could be considered an "extremist", and I wouldn't be able to talk about the flat earth.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1606 Pts
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat

    The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

    Wayne Dyer
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 636 Pts
    edited November 4
    There is no possible way to target only extremists with censorship. Any type of censorship necessarily applies to everyone who decides to partake in the related activity, and it tends to quickly get out of hand. 

    Censorship is not how you fight malicious ideologies and/or actions. You fight them by removing the source of the problem, and the extremists' ability to coordinate via Internet is merely one of the vessels through which this problem manifests - and not its source.

    Theresa May has not studied history very well and advocates for repetition of the old good mistake that has plagued humanity for as long as it has been around: suppress freedoms in order to provide safety - and lose both in the end.
    Polaris95Zombieguy1987
  • TTKDBTTKDB 148 Pts
    @agsr:

    It's said that there are roughly 2 billion computers around the globe.

    Then you have the cellphones that are connected to the internet, along with how many tablets? 

    The internet itself has been around basically since the early 1990's? 

    Some could try to regulate the internet, but that notion I'm guessing would get balked at.

    I see people driving with their cellphones a few inches away from their faces while manuvering through traffic at 65 mph.

    People walking through cross walks with their eyes entranced by what they are seeing on their cellphones, oblivious as to looking to see if any traffic might be heading their way while walking.

    People playing their video games for how many hours in a day? Some play their video games for a straight 24 hours? 

    Then you have the alleged hate website's that are on the internet?

    How many websites that have been created by the various advocates and activists, campaigning to the internet participants to help get this or that illegal drug/s legalized? 

    A guess for the above, watch how fast an internet website or websites get created by some advocates and activists, to present an argument against the regulation of the internet? 

    Because some are going to frown on others for being "pro regulation of the internet," while some of the others are going to be "anti regulation of the internet."

    And again some of humanity will once again find something else to fight and argue over, using the internet to fight the fight for them, and they'll be using the internet to fight the regulation of how some utilize the internet.

     An example of how that argument might look like?

    The internet has in a sense become synonymous with cyberbullying, if the internet were to become hypothetically regulated, and those who have used the internet to bully others with, found out that they couldn't utilize the internet to bully anyone anymore? 

    Who would you guess would be using the internet to fight the regulation of the internet?

    The cyberbullies, because they'll likely frown on not being able to bully others via the internet after regulation were to hypothetically take place. 

    And because they'll likely view the regulation as an infringement on their freedom to utilize the internet as they choose to? 

  • @TTKDB

    I try to keep it at a minimum of 55mph when I'm surfing the internet. You know, just to be on the safe side.
  • That would lead to censorship of free speech, which is a right.
  • TTKDBTTKDB 148 Pts
    @piloteer

    What point are you trying to make? 
  • TTKDBTTKDB 148 Pts
    https://cyberbullying.org/stories

    There are individauls who have been bullied via the internet.

    Some individauls are brave when bullying others because they have the ability to hide behind their computer, cell phone, or tablet, while on the internet and bully, because the bravest act that the bullies like to engage in is hiding behind technology to bully kids, middle schoolers, high schoolers and maybe even college kids as well? 

    They don't know how to utilize (respect or courtesy, or act civil,) towards others, because in other words they don't know how to censor their own ways to communicate with others whether it's in person at a school or via technology. 

    If the internet was regulated and an algorithm was imbedded within the servers themselves, when the brave bullies were to go about bullying who they are expressing their negative langauge towards, the "bully algorithm" could pinpoint where the bullying is coming from and places the bully on pause, to give the bully a non bullying timeout?

    I wonder that if bullying could lead to an individual developing PTSD from having been harrased by an online bully or bullies.

    If a bully thought about what their harassment leads to an individuals peace of mind being messed with because a bully likes to get online and verbally hammer someone over and over again with their harassment towards another?

    How is it fair that an individual could bully another kid, who has parents just like the bully has parents, and the parents of the bullied kid, wouldn't have an issue with the bullying kid, bullying their kid? 

    Or maybe the bully was bullied by one of the parents, or bullied by a sibling, or bullied by another kid at school, and was bullying another kid, so that another kid could feel the bully's grief from being bullied? 

    Whether it's the internet or in person, some need to be more humane towards others and sensor their actions, by being respectful towards themselves and others. 

    Otherwise, it's just a vicious cycle whether a bully bullies another online via the internet, or in person. 


  • @TTKDB I have been criminally threatened, but I still think this is a matter for the civil courts not the criminal courts. I am concerned about the effects on free speech. If someone is being bullied, sad to say, they need to toughen up and block the bullies, or leave the website.
  • Yes, there is this effect of living in a safe and prosperous society, that the emphasis in consideration of group and personal conflicts is always put on the initiator, but not on the victim. For example, if someone was offended by something, then typically the one who offended them is considered the entirety of the problem. 

    This, of course, is not practical. There are bullies out there and they should be called out - but at the same time, it is important to teach people how to deal with bullying. There are people who purposefully make aggressive statements to provoke others on negative reactions - but on the receiving end, it is important to learn to deal with the aggression without letting it get to you.

    The term "victimhood mentality" has become a part of our everyday political jargon, and for a good reason. People getting the short end of the stick are seen as innocent victims, and almost never comes up the question: "What could they have done to remedy the issue?" I am not saying we should ignore the guilt of the aggressors; I am simply saying that even if the victim cannot control what happens to them, the victim can control how they react to that. And this is something that is completely missing in the victimhood approach to conflicts.

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    I was bullied extremely hard at mid-to-high school, and unfortunately at the time I did not learn how to deal with that and succumbed to the typical mentality: "I feel so bad because of other people and not because of me". With age, I got much wiser, and now petty personal attacks have no emotional effect on me. This - the ability to deal with stress without letting it get under your skin - should be one of the primary skills taught at school, in the media, etc., because this skill alone already sets you up for success in life. If you fully control how you feel, and no matter what happens outside, you maintain your emotional integrity - then what can stop you, really?

    Alternatively, we can babysit the victims, cuddle them and rank them by "privilege" - leading to a society of wimps that are used to the idea that their success does not depend on them. It is easy to then sell those people the ideas of statism and socialism: if they cannot take care of themselves, then they need someone who can, and that someone is surely the government! And this is how authoritarianism stars: it starts when people lose self-respect and become dependent on someone who promises to take care of their problems.

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    Bullying is nasty business. It just so happens that trying to prevent bullying by "bullying bullies" and taking away their rights has the consequences much nastier still.
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