Why is Jesus infinitely superior to the god of Atheism, Satan, concerning societal sustainability?

just_sayin

@RickeyHoltsclaw
Atheism has no real moral basis.  If you believe that you are just the product of imperfect random processes, then you can't objectively say something is good or evil.  The child molester who sexually assaults children because it brings him pleasure is just as moral as any other atheist who does what they think is best.  The best they can say is that a moral choice is their preference.  But even that must be questioned because it presupposes progression towards a goal and there is no basis to say that goal is objective.  Who is to say that someone whose brain is the product of imperfect naturalistic processes can accurately determine what is a better choice than another. They have no basis to believe that their brain is capable of true rational logic.  To suggest that one atheist's morals are better than another is completely unsustainable in their corrupted world view.  Instead the best atheism can do is borrow the ethical system of religious groups such as Christians and Jews.  It is devoid of being able to have any meaningful system of right and wrong, because it has no objective basis for it.  

Factfinder

@just_sayin ;@RickeyHoltsclaw

The bloody religion of Christianity. 

https://inference-review.com/letter/hitlers-christianity

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@just_sayin ;@RickeyHoltsclaw

The bloody religion of Christianity. 

https://inference-review.com/letter/hitlers-christianity

@Factfinder ;  Hitler was not a Christian...he was born into a Catholic family but hated religion; in fact, his worldview was closely aligned with yours...a worldview that culminates in death in Hell.

At first, Adolf Hitler seemed to accept Christianity.

“In his childhood, Hitler was enthralled by the pomp and ritual of the Catholic Church,” wrote Fritz Redlich in his 1999 biography of the Führer. “Allegedly, for a while he even considered becoming a priest.”

Bullock, in describing Hitler as a “rationalist and materialist,” quotes him in a wartime conversation with aides as saying:

The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”

His mother, Klara, reportedly the only person Hitler ever loved, was a devout Catholic. His father, Alois, with whom Hitler often fought, thought religion was essentially a scam — a “crutch for human weakness,” as another historian put it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

just-sayin

YOUR INEPT CHRISTIAN THINKING RELATIVE TO ASSOCIATING CHILD MOLESTERS TO ATHEISTS:  "The child molester who sexually assaults children because it brings him pleasure is just as moral as any other atheist who does what they think is best. "

The bloody and brutal serial killer God you worship, in being Jesus the Christ (2 Peter 1:1), did things to innocent children that is sickening to say the least, BIBLE FOOL!  Then you want to call out Atheists like you did relative to child molesters???!  Surely you jest, Bible ignorant FOOL!

 

Just a few of MANY Bible passages in showing how IMMORAL your God is that YOU WORSHIP are in the following passages:

1. God orders the BEATING of a child with a rod, to obviously leave bloody bruises! (Proverbs.23:13-14)

2. God promotes the selling of your daughter as a SLAVE (Exodus 21:7)

3. God orders His creation to eat their children!!!  (Jeremiah 19:9)

4. God’s words says to murder any offspring that attacks their father or mother (Exodus 21:15)

5. God allows pregnant women to be ripped open equal to a BLOODY AND BRUTAL  abortion!!!  (2 Kings 15:16) 

6. God’s word to murder offspring that curse their parents!!!  (Leviticus 20:9) 

7. God orders to Kill Sons of Sinners that had nothing to do with the sinner ancestor in the first place! (Isaiah 14:21 )

8. God will murder INNOCENT babies and the UNBORN, and if born, God will murder them as well!!!   (Hosea 9:11-16)

JUST_SAYIN, THEREFORE, ARE YOU GOING TO RUNAWAY FROM THE BIBLE AXIOMS SHOWN ABOVE LIKE THE DUMBFOUNDED ATHEIST “FACTFINDER” DOES ALL THE TIME AT HIS EMBARRASSING EXPENSE? HUH?

I will check back to see if you put on your “running shoes” again to NOT ADDRESS THE ABOVE BIBLE EMBARRASSING FACTS!

This is an image of “just_sayin” in running away from my Christian Bible factual posts directed to him all the time: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MERYH0W

.

RickeyHoltsclaw

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@just_sayin

just-sayin

YOUR INEPT CHRISTIAN THINKING RELATIVE TO ASSOCIATING CHILD MOLESTERS TO ATHEISTS:  "The child molester who sexually assaults children because it brings him pleasure is just as moral as any other atheist who does what they think is best. "

The bloody and brutal serial killer God you worship, in being Jesus the Christ (2 Peter 1:1), did things to innocent children that is sickening to say the least, BIBLE FOOL!  Then you want to call out Atheists like you did relative to child molesters???!  Surely you jest, Bible ignorant FOOL!

 

Just a few of MANY Bible passages in showing how IMMORAL your God is that YOU WORSHIP are in the following passages:

1. God orders the BEATING of a child with a rod, to obviously leave bloody bruises! (Proverbs.23:13-14)

2. God promotes the selling of your daughter as a SLAVE (Exodus 21:7)

3. God orders His creation to eat their children!!!  (Jeremiah 19:9)

4. God’s words says to murder any offspring that attacks their father or mother (Exodus 21:15)

5. God allows pregnant women to be ripped open equal to a BLOODY AND BRUTAL  abortion!!!  (2 Kings 15:16) 

6. God’s word to murder offspring that curse their parents!!!  (Leviticus 20:9) 

7. God orders to Kill Sons of Sinners that had nothing to do with the sinner ancestor in the first place! (Isaiah 14:21 )

8. God will murder INNOCENT babies and the UNBORN, and if born, God will murder them as well!!!   (Hosea 9:11-16)

JUST_SAYIN, THEREFORE, ARE YOU GOING TO RUNAWAY FROM THE BIBLE AXIOMS SHOWN ABOVE LIKE THE DUMBFOUNDED ATHEIST “FACTFINDER” DOES ALL THE TIME AT HIS EMBARRASSING EXPENSE? HUH?

I will check back to see if you put on your “running shoes” again to NOT ADDRESS THE ABOVE BIBLE EMBARRASSING FACTS!

This is an image of “just_sayin” in running away from my Christian Bible factual posts directed to him all the time: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MERYH0W

.

@21CenturyIconoclast ;

@21CenturyIconoclast

You cite my Lord's battles in the Old Testament as He is a Warrior God and you are but a breath in the mist .. you are foolish and unwise...and you are without knowledge or respect.

1) 1. God orders the BEATING of a child with a rod, to obviously leave bloody bruises! (Proverbs.23:13-14)

Yes, children must be disciplined that they not mature to be god-less, nihilistic, atheists, seeking de-ath in Hell and life of unsustainable immorality but that they be honorable, honest, contributing, citizens.

2) 2. God promotes the selling of your daughter as a SLAVE (Exodus 21:7)

The regulation in Exodus 21:7 is for the selling of what is, essentially, an indentured servant.  There is certainly no implied right of the owner of the servant to have sex with the woman.  This regulation is designed to protect the rights and particularly the right to avoid being sexually taken advantage of.  The regulation says (or implies) that the one who takes her into his home should either marry her or have his son marry her.   If he does not provide her with the opportunity to be married, then he must set her free.  Also, he is not to sell her to another party–especially a non-Jew, as this would likely deprive her of her rights.

One thing I can say for sure is that this regulation definitely prohibits anything even remotely approaching prostitution.   She must either be given the opportunity to be married or she must go free.   If she does not please him means that if he chooses not to marry her, then he must let her be redeemed.  In other words he must take back the money and send her home to her parents if he decides that he does not want to marry her.  He CERTAINLY was not allowed to “check her out” sexually to see if she was sexually pleasing.  This would be blasphemy under Jewish law.  The idea that this allows for prostitution is a gross abuse of what the scripture says.  In fact, it is to make the scripture say exactly the OPPOSITE of what it says.   Did any Jew ever abuse this law and use the woman?  I am sure it did happen, but in that case, we certainly should not blame God or the law, as the law was intended specifically to prevent such a thing. (evidenceforchristianity)

3) 3. God orders His creation to eat their children!!!  (Jeremiah 19:9)

Cannibalism is mentioned in the Bible. Although there is no direct statement such as, “Thou shalt not eat human flesh,” the obvious indication from Scripture is that cannibalism is a terrible evil.

After the global flood, God gave Noah permission to eat meat. "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything” (Genesis 9:3). However, God specifies that the “food for you” does not include fellow human beings. People are treated much differently from animals: “Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind” (Genesis 9:6).

Cannibalism is mentioned several times in Scripture (Leviticus 26:29; Deuteronomy 28:53-57; Jeremiah 19:9; Lamentations 2:20; 4:10; Ezekiel 5:10), but in each case, the practice is regarded as a horrible curse and inhuman act of desperation. Moses and other prophets predicted that, if the Israelites forsook God, they would fall into such awful degradation as to cannibalize their own children. These harrowing prophecies were fulfilled during the siege of Samaria during the reign of King Jehoram (2 Kings 6:28-29). Cannibalism was the physical horror which accompanied the spiritual horror of apostasy.

Cannibalism has been ritualized in some pagan cultures as part of a religious ceremony or cultural superstition. Thus, not only is the act itself wrong, but also the reason behind the act is wrong. For example, some people groups would eat the flesh of dead family members, believing that doing so would allow the spirits of those who had died to live on. Such cannibalistic rites have no biblical justification. The Bible teaches that the spirit does not remain in the body, nor does it wander around at liberty. A spirit either goes to be with the Lord immediately upon death (2 Corinthians 5:8) or goes to hades to be kept until the judgment (Luke 16:19-26; Revelation 20:11-15).  (GotQuestions)

4. God’s words says to murder any offspring that attacks their father or mother (Exodus 21:15)

Physically striking or verbally abusing a parent is no different to God than murder. They are capital crimes worthy of death! Maltreatment of a parent through striking or cursing is placed on a par with murder and kidnapping and is punished in the same way—death.  (bibletools)

5) God allows pregnant women to be ripped open equal to a BLOODY AND BRUTAL abortion!!!  (2 Kings 15:16) 

2 Kings 15:16  (The horrors of war) has nothing to do with abortion but the eradication of one's enemies presently and in the future....

Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the
coasts thereof from Tirzah
The Jewish writers commonly take this Tiphsah to be without the land of Israel, the same with that in ( 1 Kings 4:24 ) on the borders of Syria, and near the Euphrates; but it seems to be some place nearer Samaria, and Tirzah; according to Bunting F20, it was but six miles from Samaria:

because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it;
they refused to open the gates of their city to him, and receive him, and acknowledge him as their king; therefore he exercised severity on the inhabitants of it, and the parts adjacent, as far as Tirzah, putting them to the sword:

and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up:
which was a most shocking instance of barbarity, and which he did, to terrify others from following their example. Ben Gersom interprets it of strong towers built on mountains, which he demolished, deriving "haroth", which we render "women with child", from (rh) , "a mountain".

6. God’s word to murder offspring that curse their parents!!!  (Leviticus 20:9) 

20:1-9 Are we shocked at the unnatural cruelty of the ancient idolaters in sacrificing their children? We may justly be so. But are there not very many parents, who, by bad teaching and wicked examples, and by the mysteries of iniquity which they show their children, devote them to the service of Satan, and forward their everlasting ruin, in a manner even more to be lamented? What an account must such parents render to God, and what a meeting will they have with their children at the day of judgment! On the other hand, let children remember that he who cursed father or mother was surely put to death. This law Christ confirmed. Laws which were made before are repeated, and penalties annexed to them. If men will not avoid evil practices, because the law has made these practices sin, and it is right that we go on that principle, surely they should avoid them when the law has made them death, from a principle of self-preservation. In the midst of these laws comes in a general charge, Sanctify yourselves, and be ye holy. It is the Lord that sanctifies, and his work will be done, though it be difficult. Yet his grace is so far from doing away our endeavours, that it strongly encourages them. Work out your salvation, for it is God that worketh in you.(Matthew Henry)

7. God orders to Kill Sons of Sinners that had nothing to do with the sinner ancestor in the first place! (Isaiah 14:21)

To keep the king's family from becoming a dynasty, the people declare their intention to eliminate his descendants. These potential heirs will pay the price for the crimes against humanity done by their father.

8. God will murder INNOCENT babies and the UNBORN, and if born, God will murder them as well!!!   (Hosea 9:11-16)

9:11-17. God departs from a people, or from a person, when he withdraws his goodness and mercy from them; and when the Lord is departed, what can the creature do? Even though, for the present, good things seem to remain, yet the blessing is gone if God is gone. Even the children should perish with the parents. The Divine wrath dries up the root, and withers the fruit of all comforts; and the scattered Jews daily warn us to beware, lest we neglect or abuse the gospel. Yet every smiting is not a drying up of the root. It may be that God intends only to smite so that the sap may be turned to the root, that there may be more of root graces, more humility, patience, faith, and self-denial. It is very just that God should bring judgments on those who slight his offered mercy. (Matthew Henry)

RickeyHoltsclaw

@just_sayin ;  Atheism does possess a moral basis; that is, immorality.

The facade of the atheist is the epitome of hypocrisy and self-deception. A spiritually and mentally ill people who proclaim the attributes of “science” as their god citing logic and reason as their corrupt motive for denying our Creator yet display cowardliness and ignorance in their inability to define origin of matter, origin of the human genome, apart from design and a mandated Designer. Atheists, a narcissistic and perverse people who mock the Holy Scriptures yet are spiritually ignorant of their Truth and the eschatological value in promoting a life of sustainable morality, ethics, values.

Atheism is the root of the demonic and has as its clueless constituency those who advocate for the mutilation of babies in the womb; the moral filth and debasement of homosexuality-lesbianism-transsexualism-child sexual mutilation in gender confusion/reassignment. Atheism is a demonically destructive religion in any society but is an especially destructive metastasizing malignancy in America’s Constitutional Republic. A hoard of demons who destroy a Nation’s soul in vulgar moral and ethical rot. Vile and disgusting at its core…atheism, secular humanism is deserving of the Lake of Fire.

Thank you for your input. Rick

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@just_sayin ;@RickeyHoltsclaw

The bloody religion of Christianity. 

https://inference-review.com/letter/hitlers-christianity

@Factfinder ;  Hitler was not a Christian...he was born into a Catholic family but hated religion; in fact, his worldview was closely aligned with yours...a worldview that culminates in death in Hell.

At first, Adolf Hitler seemed to accept Christianity.

“In his childhood, Hitler was enthralled by the pomp and ritual of the Catholic Church,” wrote Fritz Redlich in his 1999 biography of the Führer. “Allegedly, for a while he even considered becoming a priest.”

Bullock, in describing Hitler as a “rationalist and materialist,” quotes him in a wartime conversation with aides as saying:

The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”

His mother, Klara, reportedly the only person Hitler ever loved, was a devout Catholic. His father, Alois, with whom Hitler often fought, thought religion was essentially a scam — a “crutch for human weakness,” as another historian put it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

'The evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian is overwhelming. He banned secular education in Germany on the basis that Christian religious instruction is essential to moral development, repeatedly vilified atheism, and although he often clashed with Catholic bishops over his ill-treatment of Jews, Hitler did not perceive himself as being anti-Christian, but rather as bringing the Church back to what he saw as its proper, traditional role in persecuting the pestilent. While negotiating the Reichskonkordat, Hitler said to Bishop Berning that suppressing Jews was, “doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.”

There are numerous other examples, from Mein Kampf (“only fools and criminals would think of abolishing existing religion”), to Hitler’s letters (1941: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”), to the Gott Mit Uns motto on German army uniforms during the Nazi era, to the Lutheran Church in Berlin, full of carvings celebrating Hitler’s rise to power (including an exquisitely carved SA paramilitary trooper on the baptismal font), to the amended 1934 loyalty oath of the German military (“I swear by almighty God this sacred oath: I will render unconditional obedience to the Führer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht…”).

Perhaps the most telling Hitler quote of all shows that not only did he believe in God, he believed his racial purity laws would protect God’s creation from spoliation by interbreeding. From Mein Kampf (vol. 2, chapter 2):

[H]undreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?'

https://inference-review.com/letter/hitlers-christianity

Openminded

Argument Topic: @RickeyHoltsclaw

Treat others as you want to be treated. Easy.
You sound mentally ill.
You don´t need religion to be a good person.
Stop with the wacky religious extremism.

Factfinder

just_sayin said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw
Atheism has no real moral basis.  If you believe that you are just the product of imperfect random processes, then you can't objectively say something is good or evil.  The child molester who sexually assaults children because it brings him pleasure is just as moral as any other atheist who does what they think is best.  The best they can say is that a moral choice is their preference.  But even that must be questioned because it presupposes progression towards a goal and there is no basis to say that goal is objective.  Who is to say that someone whose brain is the product of imperfect naturalistic processes can accurately determine what is a better choice than another. They have no basis to believe that their brain is capable of true rational logic.  To suggest that one atheist's morals are better than another is completely unsustainable in their corrupted world view.  Instead the best atheism can do is borrow the ethical system of religious groups such as Christians and Jews.  It is devoid of being able to have any meaningful system of right and wrong, because it has no objective basis for it.  

All one has to do is look at christianity and be the opposite. Then they will have morals. (0k sure, christianity isn't required in anyway. But for arguments sake) Look at history for example: The crusades were about monetary wealth, the bloodier they got the more riches were won. The inquisitions were about exhorting power and control, instilling fear and physical pleasure. Witch hunts and trials were all about rape, silencing the victims by cutting their tongues out and executing them before they started showing they were pregnant. Oh, christians in the cult thought it was okay because their sky daddy god of the old book rewarded the patriarchs with harems of whores that were valued below farm animals. Then there's genocidal accounts in their book that the christian hitler emulated. Even today we have a christian who boast of hiding behind his badge in houston to pursue racist, bigoted desires of persecuting innocent people different than him, smarter than him. Proof positive atheism has the moral high ground.

GiantMan

@Openminded
You don´t need religion to be a good person.

True, but atheists aren't exactly known for their generosity.  How many atheist charities do you know of.  

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

just_sayin said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw
Atheism has no real moral basis.  If you believe that you are just the product of imperfect random processes, then you can't objectively say something is good or evil.  The child molester who sexually assaults children because it brings him pleasure is just as moral as any other atheist who does what they think is best.  The best they can say is that a moral choice is their preference.  But even that must be questioned because it presupposes progression towards a goal and there is no basis to say that goal is objective.  Who is to say that someone whose brain is the product of imperfect naturalistic processes can accurately determine what is a better choice than another. They have no basis to believe that their brain is capable of true rational logic.  To suggest that one atheist's morals are better than another is completely unsustainable in their corrupted world view.  Instead the best atheism can do is borrow the ethical system of religious groups such as Christians and Jews.  It is devoid of being able to have any meaningful system of right and wrong, because it has no objective basis for it.  

All one has to do is look at christianity and be the opposite. Then they will have morals. (0k sure, christianity isn't required in anyway. But for arguments sake) Look at history for example: The crusades were about monetary wealth, the bloodier they got the more riches were won. The inquisitions were about exhorting power and control, instilling fear and physical pleasure. Witch hunts and trials were all about rape, silencing the victims by cutting their tongues out and executing them before they started showing they were pregnant. Oh, christians in the cult thought it was okay because their sky daddy god of the old book rewarded the patriarchs with harems of whores that were valued below farm animals. Then there's genocidal accounts in their book that the christian hitler emulated. Even today we have a christian who boast of hiding behind his badge in houston to pursue racist, bigoted desires of persecuting innocent people different than him, smarter than him. Proof positive atheism has the moral high ground.

@Factfinder ;

1) I seriously doubt you know what Christianity is...

2) The Crusades were a response to the Islamic Caliphate who were butchering hundreds-of-thousands of Jews, Catholics, Christians, their families, by the edge of the sword and swallowing up territory for Islam by the thousands of miles. Even though the Crusaders were not successful, the Islamic Caliphate was temporarily stopped in 1929. The Crusaders were primarily Catholic, not Christian.

3) The inquisition was initiated by Pope Gregory IX warring against Protestant Christianity. 

4) Christians don't hunt witches...those that do are more aligned with atheistic "values."

5) Hitler was a secular humanist - atheist...Satanist...you will see him in Hades-Torments lest you repent.

6) I did my job as I swore to do it...I enforced the law... I faithfully served those in my jurisdictional responsibility.

7) Atheists are servants of Satan and will suffer a fate similar to his in Hell...this includes you lest your repent. 

 

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I'm sure christianity is as evil as you proudly boast. Pride goeth before the fall

And it's a proven fact your cult is the bane of humanity as I truthfully posted here: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174460/#Comment_174460

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I'm sure christianity is as evil as you proudly boast. Pride goeth before the fall

And it's a proven fact your cult is the bane of humanity as I truthfully posted here: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174460/#Comment_174460

@Factfinder ;

1) Support your allegation that "Christianity is as evil as you proudly boast"...prove Christianity evil...

2) Prove that Christianity is a "cult."

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I'm sure christianity is as evil as you proudly boast. Pride goeth before the fall

And it's a proven fact your cult is the bane of humanity as I truthfully posted here: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174460/#Comment_174460

@Factfinder ;

1) Support your allegation that "Christianity is as evil as you proudly boast"...prove Christianity evil...

2) Prove that Christianity is a "cult."

Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

cult

/kəlt/

noun

noun: cult; plural noun: cults

1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
   
   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
   
   

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ;     @Factfinder ; 

Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages 

a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sin-ister.

"a network of Satan-worshiping cults" 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ;  

WHAT IS A CULT?- Introduction
With such an overwhelming number of religious groups around these days, it is necessary to understand the difference between a legitimate religious group and a cult. What exactly is a cult?

WHAT IS A CULT- Definitions
There are two ways to define a cult. The first way to describe a cult is popular in the secular media. From this perspective, a cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization.

This kind of cult is usually manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from its followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their own families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are some examples of this kind of a cult.

The second way to define a cult is popular in evangelical Christian circles. From this perspective, a cult is any group that deviates from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds.

WHAT IS A CULT- Psuedo-Christian Cults
These groups deny or distort fundamental Christian doctrines such as the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and salvation by grace through faith alone. Some cults that would fall into this category are the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Science, The Way International, and the Unity School of Christianity.

Most of these cults claim to be Christian, and even consider the Bible to be authoritative. But they manipulate the Scriptures to fit their own beliefs. Although they may claim to serve Jesus Christ, and may even use the same terminology orthodox Christians use, their definitions are vastly different.

WHAT IS A CULT- The Dangers of False Teachings
These groups do not lead to the Christ of the Bible, but to another Jesus and another gospel (2 Cor. 11:1-4; Gal. 1:8,9). We must therefore reject these false teachings, and “earnestly contend for the faith which was once and for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). And, of course, remember the Bible also goes on to admonish us that we must do this with gentleness, and with respect. Remember, you must present the message, but you need to recognize that it is only the Holy Spirit that changes the heart.  https://www.equip.org/perspectives/what-is-a-religious-cult/

MayCaesar

Hmm, the most stable societies out there - in Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea - are also the least religious ones. The most unstable ones - in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Yemen - are the most religious ones. Could you explain how this aligns with your theory?

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ;     @Factfinder ; 

Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages 

a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sin-ister.

"a network of Satan-worshiping cults"  

Nope. Wrong again. The first definition fits your cult to a T. It calls for you to let let your brains atrophy and spread hatred, ignorance and bigotry around the world and YOU specifically boast of self willed ignorance. Christianity in a nut shell. Well of course there is the rape, murder ,and genocide too. And hitler was a christian

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

Hmm, the most stable societies out there - in Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea - are also the least religious ones. The most unstable ones - in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Yemen - are the most religious ones. Could you explain how this aligns with your theory?

Those societies are homogeneous and their faith system is pervasive and accepted...

Religion in Japan is manifested primarily in Shinto and in Buddhism, the two main faiths, which Japanese people often practice simultaneously. According to estimates, as many as 80% of the populace follow Shinto rituals to some degree, worshiping ancestors and spirits at domestic altars and public shrines.

Hong Kong is ruled under the thumb of communism - behavior is controlled by fear and tyranny.

Which Korea?

Factfinder

 @RickeyHoltsclaw

WHAT IS A CULT?

Christianity. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

 @RickeyHoltsclaw

WHAT IS A CULT?

Christianity. 

@Factfinder ;  Christianity is not a cult...you're simply proving your hate for the faith and the Founder, Jesus.

A cult is that which denies or adds to the precepts of Christianity which is righteousness, salvation, by grace through faith, alone, in Jesus as one's Messiah. Cults are represented by Islam - Judaism - Mormonism - Jehovah's Witnesses - Seventh-Day Adventists...on and on...

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Those societies are homogeneous and their faith system is pervasive and accepted...

Religion in Japan is manifested primarily in Shinto and in Buddhism, the two main faiths, which Japanese people often practice simultaneously. According to estimates, as many as 80% of the populace follow Shinto rituals to some degree, worshiping ancestors and spirits at domestic altars and public shrines.

Hong Kong is ruled under the thumb of communism - behavior is controlled by fear and tyranny.

Which Korea?

There are indeed many Shinto temples in Japan - however, very few Japanese identify as following any religion. Rituals are certainly practiced by the majority, much like on the West Christmas is celebrated by the majority (including atheists). Shinto and Buddhism do not have the concept of god of the same kind Christianity does. And the fraction of Christians in Japan is tiny, below 2%.
Does it not follow that faith in Jesus is not conductive to achieving the highest societal stability?

My first real crush was a Japanese Shinto priestess. I at the time was a very arrogant young lad, and I tried criticizing her spiritual assertions... Yet her arguments and charms completely disarmed me. Arguments she made, I had no response to - and as arrogant as I was at the time, I had the decency to keep silent when I knew I was philosophically outmatched.

I can see myself living in a society of Shinto priests and priestesses like that. Something she never tried to do is to threaten me, to convert me by promising horrible future if I do not. Again, is that not a mode of philosophical discourse more conductive to societal stability than... whatever you are doing here?

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

... behavior is controlled by fear and tyranny.

Just the way christian cult leaders like it. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Those societies are homogeneous and their faith system is pervasive and accepted...

Religion in Japan is manifested primarily in Shinto and in Buddhism, the two main faiths, which Japanese people often practice simultaneously. According to estimates, as many as 80% of the populace follow Shinto rituals to some degree, worshiping ancestors and spirits at domestic altars and public shrines.

Hong Kong is ruled under the thumb of communism - behavior is controlled by fear and tyranny.

Which Korea?

There are indeed many Shinto temples in Japan - however, very few Japanese identify as following any religion. Rituals are certainly practiced by the majority, much like on the West Christmas is celebrated by the majority (including atheists). Shinto and Buddhism do not have the concept of god of the same kind Christianity does. And the fraction of Christians in Japan is tiny, below 2%.
Does it not follow that faith in Jesus is not conductive to achieving the highest societal stability?

My first real crush was a Japanese Shinto priestess. I at the time was a very arrogant young lad, and I tried criticizing her spiritual assertions... Yet her arguments and charms completely disarmed me. Arguments she made, I had no response to - and as arrogant as I was at the time, I had the decency to keep silent when I knew I was philosophically outmatched.

I can see myself living in a society of Shinto priests and priestesses like that. Something she never tried to do is to threaten me, to convert me by promising horrible future if I do not. Again, is that not a mode of philosophical discourse more conductive to societal stability than... whatever you are doing here?

1) Incorrect, Shintoism, a polytheistic and animistic religion...is a "religion" by definition and 80% follow some form of religion in Japan.

2) Again, Japan is relatively homogeneous in ideology, lifestyle, obedience to authority...and their society is rather "honorable" compared to the diverse and morally sick society in the United States...mostly as a result of America's atheists and secular humanists who have polluted our schools and governments in the demonic name of "Progressive." America was founded upon Christian principles...the Holy Spirit was supposed to be our Law and arbiter...not Satan. 

3) You would do America a huge favor by relocating yourself to Japan...and serving as a Shinto priestess.

 

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Rickey, 

To address your comical whims relating to your Jesus as God in being a brutal and bloody serial killer, THAT YOU WORSHIP NONETHELESS IN THE 21ST CENTURY, are the following biblical answers to your pathetic responses to my quotes to you:

1. God orders the BEATING of a child with a rod, to obviously leave bloody bruises! (Proverbs.23:13-14)

YOUR PATHETIC QUOTE REGARDING PROVERBS 23:13-14 TO GIVE CREDENCE TO YOUR SICKENING PRIMITIVE FAITH OF CHRISTIANITY:  “Yes, children must be disciplined that they not mature to be god-less, nihilistic, atheists, seeking de-ath in Hell and life of unsustainable immorality but that they be honorable, honest, contributing, citizens.”https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174454/#Comment_174454

By all means, pseudo-christians like RickeyHoltsclaw are to brutally BEAT their children WITH A ROD if they do not follow the primitive disgusting thinking of the JUDEO-Christian Bible, whereas, Christianity under this biblical condition has NO FAMILY VALUES OR MORALS WHATSOEVER!   

What parents wants to join the cult of Christianity like the Bible inept "RickeyHoltsclaw" so you too can BEAT YOUR CHILDREN WITH A ROD to possibly leave life long wounds, will be ......?

 2. God promotes the selling of your daughter as a SLAVE (Exodus 21:7)

YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE TO SAID BIBLE FACTS ABOUT SELLING A DAUGHTER AS A SLAVE!!!:  “The regulation in Exodus 21:7 is for the selling of what is, essentially, an indentured servant.  There is certainly no implied right of the owner of the servant to have sex with the woman.” https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174454/#Comment_174454

WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  The term "slave,” as the verse directly states, DOES NOT MEAN “INDENTURED SERVANT,” Bible FOOL!  Nice try with your inept pseudo-christian apologetics!  LOL!

Indentured servant: Indentured servitude is a form of labor where an individual is under contract to work without a salary to repay an indenture or loan within a certain timeframe. 

Slave: a person who is forced to work for and obey one another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

THE PASSAGE IN QUESTION: “then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. And if a man sells his daughter to be a female SLAVE she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.” Exodus 21:6-8)

RICKEY, do you know of any other pseudo-christian like you that sold their DAUGHTERS AS SLAVES in the said Jesus inspired passage shown above?  If so, could you share their experiece, and how much money did they receive in selling their offspring daughter in this manner?

AWAITING FOR A COGENT ANSWER:

 3. Your Jesus as God orders His creation to eat their children!!!  (Jeremiah 19:9)

YOUR PATHETIC APOLOGETIC RESPONSE TO JESUS AS GOD ORDERING CANNIBALISM!:  Cannibalism is mentioned in the Bible. Although there is no direct statement such as, “Thou shalt not eat human flesh,” the obvious indication from Scripture is that cannibalism is a terrible evil.”  https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174454/#Comment_174454

My response to your quote above in saying that cannibalism is a terirble evil, DUH! 

If you are against Evil, then how do you feel towards your serial killer Jesus as Gpd when he created EVIL in the first place?: "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create evil; I am the Lord, who does all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

THE PASSAGE IN QUESTION: "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them." (Jeremiah 19:9)

Even you being a pseudo-christian at best, you should know that Jesus as God also ordered his JEWISH CREATION to eat their children in other biblical passages shown below:

“You will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters.” (Leviticus 26:29)

"Then you will eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters whom the LORD your God has given you, in the siege and distress that your enemy will inflict on you.” (Deuteronomy 28:53)

Therefore, is your serial killing Jesus as God in the Bible, STILL EVER LOVING AND FORGIVING when he ordered his JEWISH creation to eat their children in Jeremiah 19:9, Leviticus 26:29, and Deuteronomy 28:53?  Yes or No?  

WAITING FOR A COGENT ANSWER:  

RICKEY, DON'T WORRY, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED WITH YOU RELATIVE TO THE PRIMITIVE DISGUSTING JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE, UNDERSTOOD BIBLE FOOL?!!!

.

RickeyHoltsclaw

   @21CenturyIconoclast ; I have responded to these allegations previously...

1) God orders the BEATING of a child with a rod, to obviously leave bloody bruises! (Proverbs.23:13-14),

Elohim's perceived harshness toward disciplining a child is for legitimate cause concerning Israel, eschatology, the Messiah, the Gospel, the Great Commission. Please consider this,

Elohim's objective with the creation narrative is the restoration of holiness and order to His Eternal Kingdom and Elohim points us to this objective in Genesis 3 with the introduction of Satan, Adam, the Son-Jesus Christ from the seed of the woman; the declaration of war between the Son and Satan; the victory of the Son and the crushing of Satan; the battle strategy of the Gospel as per Genesis 3:21.

Initially, Elohim's objective through the Adamic and Noahic generations was that they be progenitors of the Messiah whose primary reason for entering the Realm of Time would be "to destroy the works of the Devil" (1 John 3:8b) via a battle strategy know as the "Gospel" which was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1:8-10).

Unfortunately, the Adamic and Noahic generations fell prey to dem-onic compromise through the Nephilim and their unconscionable defile-ment, their complete lack of moral discipline, nullified their ability to bring forth the Messiah and their seed was so defiled by de-monic compromise that Elohim regrettably chose to destroy all inhabitants of the Earth save eight (Romans 1:18-32; Genesis 6:5). 

Elohim began anew with Noah and his family; specifically, Noah's son named Shem, then Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel) and Elohim sanctified (set apart) a people group through whom He would bring forth His Messiah to fulfill His eschatological promise made to Abraham as through Abraham would come One who would "be a blessing to every family of the Earth" (Genesis 12:3b). 

Elohim went to great lengths in His efforts to stymie Israel's compromise with the pagan gods of Baal and Molech; this, in an attempt to thwart a repeat of the failures of the Adamic and Noahic generations; therefore, Elohim provided Israel's children the Sinai Commandments etched in stone while Moses via the Holy Spirit scratched 603-edicts upon parchment; these, given specifically to Israel's children for eschatological and sanctification purposes. 

Contained within those laws were strict edicts concerning discipline relevant to Israel's children, the necessity for their adherence to authority, especially the authority of their parents as the parent is given their authority over the child by Elohim as Elohim has authority over the parent. Any form of disrespect was to be halted and dealt with immediately and severely as subsequent generations of Israel's children would carry the torch for Elohim's eschatological imperatives; primarily, the introduction of the Messiah; the introduction of the Gospel, the introduction and administration of the Great Commission which were all pointed at the ultimate eschatological goal of des-troying the works of the Devil at Golgotha through Messiah and ultimately redeeming fallen humanity back to Elohim through faith in Messiah Jesus as our atoning sacrifice; therefore, strict discipline of Israel's youth was of a necessity if Elohim was to accomplish His eschatological imperatives through His Messiah.

2)  God promotes the selling of your daughter as a SLAVE (Exodus 21:7)

These "daughters" are more accurately called "indentured servants" or the spoils of war in the instance of refugees and in another instance when the "daughter" was in the custody of a family too poor to provide for her; therefore, Elohim made provisions for the daughter to be sold to a family where the daughter would be cared for and if a son was present, possibly married into the family. If the "daughter" was not desired as a wife, she must be set free if a bond woman was taken as an indentured servant. There are two-differing scenarios here concerning daughters. Rape was not at issue here...it was prohibited.

3) 3. Your Jesus as God orders His creation to eat their chil-dren!!!  (Jeremiah 19:9)

Relevant to the text of Jeremiah 19:9 and the suggestion that Elohim would cause the people of Judah (not Israel, see 19:3) to engage in cann-ibalism; understand, this would violate Elohim's prohibitions against murder and the consumption of human flesh; therefore, this prophecy need not be taken to mean that Elohim would actually advocate for murder or cann-ibalism. Elohim's purpose here is as warning to Judah's leadership and the people to repent, change their ways. Note what the prophet articulates in a previous chapter...

7 At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; 8 if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. (18:7-9)

In light of this preceding prophecy, we see that Jeremiah 19:6 is not to be taken literally but as a warning that if Judah's repentance was not forthcoming such horror would manifest among the people. Elohim's intent was repentance not degradation and compromise with paganism. It was within the people's free will, their volition, to repent and change their ways and avoid the degradation that would surely follow. It is the "if-then" of the previous chapter that is an implied warning.

A similar warning was issued by Elohim to the people of Nineveh through the prophet Jonah. Jonah finally relented to Elohim's will and preached to the King of Nineveh and its people who ultimately repented and their destruction was stayed due their obedience; unfortunately, Nineveh later returned to moral and ethical defilement with paganism and were subsequently destroyed. 

4) Please bring forth your hat-red for Jesus, the Scriptures, in bite-sized portions so that I not be required to spend an hour answering multiple objections to the Bible, please? Gish-Galloping is rude and unnecessary...I have other things to do in my day...please be kind and patient...I'll do my best to respond to your concerns? 

Thank you, 

Rick

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

1) Incorrect, Shintoism, a polytheistic and animistic religion...is a "religion" by definition and 80% follow some form of religion in Japan.

2) Again, Japan is relatively homogeneous in ideology, lifestyle, obedience to authority...and their society is rather "honorable" compared to the diverse and morally sick society in the United States...mostly as a result of America's atheists and secular humanists who have polluted our schools and governments in the demonic name of "Progressive." America was founded upon Christian principles...the Holy Spirit was supposed to be our Law and arbiter...not Satan. 

3) You would do America a huge favor by relocating yourself to Japan...and serving as a Shinto priestess.

You are literally the only person I have met in my 10 years here in the US who said that this country would be better off without me. Considering how low of a human being you have demonstrated to be so far, I would say that your third bullet point is a strong endorsement of me staying here, so thank you!

I love Japan as well and had lived there for quite a while, and I think that 99.9% of the Japanese would say that you are doing Japan a huge favor by not relocating there.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

1) Incorrect, Shintoism, a polytheistic and animistic religion...is a "religion" by definition and 80% follow some form of religion in Japan.

2) Again, Japan is relatively homogeneous in ideology, lifestyle, obedience to authority...and their society is rather "honorable" compared to the diverse and morally sick society in the United States...mostly as a result of America's atheists and secular humanists who have polluted our schools and governments in the demonic name of "Progressive." America was founded upon Christian principles...the Holy Spirit was supposed to be our Law and arbiter...not Satan. 

3) You would do America a huge favor by relocating yourself to Japan...and serving as a Shinto priestess.

You are literally the only person I have met in my 10 years here in the US who said that this country would be better off without me. Considering how low of a human being you have demonstrated to be so far, I would say that your third bullet point is a strong endorsement of me staying here, so thank you!

I love Japan as well and had lived there for quite a while, and I think that 99.9% of the Japanese would say that you are doing Japan a huge favor by not relocating there.

@MayCaesar

1) The United States would be infinitely more prosperous and moral and sustainable without the atheist.

2) I love America...I've given most of my life serving Her...I have no desire to live in Japan...spent some time there...not my choice.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Addressing your SATANIC REWRITES of the JUDEO-Christian Bible in this pathetic LYING post of yours: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174720/#Comment_174720

YOUR LAUGHABLE SATANIC SPIN DOCTORING QUOTE OF BIBLE PASSAGE PROVERBS 23:13-14: “Elohim's perceived harshness toward disciplining a child is for legitimate cause concerning Israel, eschatology, the Messiah, the Gospel, the Great Commission. Please consider this,”

WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  The only thing that I will “consider” is the FACT that you are proposing that Proverbs 23:13-14 is only for Israel, and the other entities you listed needlessly seemingly were to “try” and promote that you are Bible scholar, NOT!!!!!

Jesus as GOD inspired the Proverbs 23 verse in question above IN BRUTALLY BEATING OFFSPRING WITH A HARD ROD (1 Thessalonians 2:13) of which was one of 613 commandments by him for you to follow!  Therefore, EVERY pseudo-christian like you are to BRUTALLY BEAT THEIR OFFSPRING if they get out of line simply because of Jesus’ inspired passage herewith:  “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4)

Your other long-winded "Bible Babble Comments" in said post topic of yours relative to the verse in question above, were not needed and totally irrelative to the Proverbs verse, and only showed that you continue to be the outright BIBLE FOOL of this Religion Forum!

Now, wipe the proverbial egg from your face in LYING about the Proverbs verse in question, where at your demise upon earth, you are heading to the sulfur lakes of HELL as shown in this passage below:

“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

NEXT BIBLE FOOL LIKE “RICKEYHOLTSCLAW” THAT WANTS TO OUTRIGHT LIE ABOUT JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES WHICH WILL SEND THEM TO HELL AS WELL, WILL BE ….?

.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast

Please state your premise in a concise and intelligible format so I can respond...please don't vomit all over the page in a foolish rant. Please?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR "HEARSAY" QUOTE RELATIVE TO THE BIBLE SAYING THAT YOU CAN SELL YOUR DAUGHTER AS A SLAVE:  "These "daughters" are more accurately called "indentured servants" or the spoils of war in the instance of refugees and in another instance when the "daughter" was in the custody of a family too poor to provide for her; therefore, Elohim made provisions for the daughter to be sold to a family where the daughter would be cared for and if a son was present, possibly married into the family."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174720/#Comment_174720

What part of my refutation to you upon your English language stupidity didn't you understand herewith:

1. Indentured servant: Indentured servitude is a form of labor where an individual is under contract to work without a salary to repay an indenture or loan within a certain timeframe. 

2. Slave: a person who is forced to work for and obey one another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Therefore, any daughter SOLD by any pseudo-christian is described above as a SLAVE, and NOT an "indentured servant" by definition, period!  

Additionally, give your JUDEO-Christian Bible references for your "other" alleged facts shown in your quote above, otherwise, it is just meaningless HEARSAY on your part!

BEGIN: 



NEXT BIBLE IGNORANT FOOL LIKE "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" THAT GIVES CHRISTIANITY A BAD NAME, WILL BE .....?

.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


3. Your Jesus as God orders His creation to eat their children!!!  (Jeremiah 19:9)

YOUR ONCE AGAIN LYING QUOTE RELATIVE TO THE SCRIPTURES REGARDING JEREMIAH 19:9!!!!:  " ...... therefore, this prophecy need not be taken to mean that Elohim would actually advocate for murder or cann-ibalism."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174720/#Comment_174720

WRONG AGAIN BIBLE FOOL!!!  What part of what your serial killer Jesus as God specifically said in Jeremiah 19:9 didn't you comprehend?!

THE PASSAGE IN QUESTION: "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them." (Jeremiah 19:9)

AGAIN, what part of when Jesus as god said; "AND I WILL CAUSE THEM TO EAT THE FLESH of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, ..."  didn't you understand?  Therefore, it DOES MEAN that Jesus as God promoted the eating of his JEWISH PARENTS children in Jeremiah 19:9, where you embarrassingly said he didn't in your feeble quote above!  LOL!!!  ........  OMG, PRICELESS BIBLE STUPIDITY ON YOUR PART AGAIN!


RICKEY; is your biblical problem that you think that everyone else is as BIBLE AS YOU ARE, where you can LIE about the Bible and not be caught by members that have forgotten more about the Bible than you will ever learn from it? HUH? 


NEXT BIBLE FOOL LIKE "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" THAT IS AS BIBLE AS HE IS IN HIS SATANIC REWRITES, WILL BE ......?
.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR LAUGHABLE QUOTE ONCE AGAIN PERTAINING TO THE TOPIC OF BEING MORAL: "The United States would be infinitely more prosperous and moral and sustainable without the atheist." 

As I have EASILY done with your SATANIC rewrites of the Bible, has your inept Bible brain ever thought of what your primitive JUDEO-Christian Bible represents in it allegedly being moral?  Huh?  Then for you to become aware of this FACT, reread my posts shown below in your sickening Bible where the Christian can do the following IMMORAL THINGS in the name of Jesus' inspired words shown below:

1. Christians can BRUTALLY BEAT THEIR CHILDREN WITH A STIFF ROD (Proverbs 23:13-14)
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174821/#Comment_174821

2. Christians can sell their daughers as SLAVES! (Exodus 21:7)
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174825/#Comment_174825

3. There God Jesus causes his JEWISH parents to EAT THEIR CHILDREN! (Jeremiah 19:9)
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174829/#Comment_174829



NEXT EMBARRASSING BIBLE FOOL LIKE "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" THAT CONTINUES TO STEP IN THE PROVERBIAL POO BECAUSE OF HIS OUTRIGHT BIBLE STUPIDITY, WILL BE .........?

.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  I have responded to your Old Testament inquiries...is that all ya got, atheist?

MayCaesar

They are starting to eat each other, guys! It is happening!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR BEYOND LAUGHABLE QUOTE REGARDING YOU NOT ADDRESSING YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY!!!:  "I have responded to your Old Testament inquiries...is that all ya got, atheist? "

"All YOU got" is the FACT that you are running away from my posts showing in how Bible you truly are, where as first you responded to my initial posts, upon said topics, AND THEN I HAD TO CORRECT YOU upon your LYING posts, where you have yet to even "try" to respond to my CORRECTIONS pertaining to your Bible ineptness!  GET IT BIBLE FOOL?!



HERE ARE MY POSTS THAT CORRECTED YOUR PREVIOUS OUTRIGHT BIBLE POSTS THAT YOU ARE STILL RUNNING AWAY FROM FOR OBVIOUS REASONS BECAUSE YOU ARE A BIBLE DUNCE!:

1. Corrected your Bible STUPIDITY on the topic of your God says it is okay to BEAT YOUR CHILDREN WITH A ROD: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174821/#Comment_174821

2. Corrected your Bible STUPIDITY where your Christian faith said you can sell your daugthers into SLAVERY: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174825/#Comment_174825

3. Corrected your Bible STUPIDITY relative to your serial killer Jesus did force His JEWISH Creation to eat their children:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174829/#Comment_174829


Listen up pseudo-christian "RickeyHoltsclaw" if you are to SCARED in being a wimpy little christian to respond to the posts above, then just admit that you are a BIBLE FOOL that gives a bad name to your primitive faith of Christianity because of your Satanic laughable AND LYING BIBLE REWRITES!  

I have more posts in proving your Bible STUPIDITY AGAIN, hang on!


THE MEMBERSHIP IS WATCHING YOUR RESPONSE!

.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; I have responded...where is your rebuttal?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


YOUR ONCE AGAIN LYING QUOTE: "I have responded...where is your rebuttal? "
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174907/#Comment_174907

HEADS UP "BIBLE DUNCE" RICKEY!

You have NOT, I repeat, have NOT responded to myself in having to correct your outright Bible Duncery®️ within this thread as shown below!

1. I Corrected your Bible STUPIDITY on the topic of your God says it is okay to BEAT YOUR CHILDREN WITH A ROD: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174821/#Comment_174821

2. I Corrected your Bible STUPIDITY where your Christian faith said you can sell your daugthers into SLAVERY: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174825/#Comment_174825

3. I Corrected your Bible STUPIDITY relative to your serial killer Jesus did force His JEWISH Creation to eat their children:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/174829/#Comment_174829

RICKEY, are you to SCARD to even "try" and respond to my easily correcting your Bible ineptness shown in the 3 links above? Don't you realize that the membership is watching you RUN from my FACTS shown above in making you the Bible FOOL that you are? Huh?  

Furthermore, JESUS IS WATCHING YOU (Hebrews 4:13) run away in not even trying to defend your primitive Christian faith like tells you to do (Titus 1:9) and you think that you are going to your comical 1400 square mile heaven upon your demise? NOT!!!  LOL!

NEXT RUNAWAY FROM POSTS DIRECTED TO HIM LIKE "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" IN CORRECTING HIS BIBLE STUPIDITY, WILL BE .....?

.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast @21CenturyIconoclast ;  I have responded, thoroughly, to your repetitive inquiry TWICE...would it be possible for you to maybe "mature" at least for the sake of rebuttal and post something that is articulate, comprehensible, rebuttable? Why not post your objections to my Christianity...how about taking a doctrine that you find reprehensible and let's debate that...is that possible?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


YOUR FEEBLE PATHETIC QUOTE IN LYING ONCE AGAIN TO THE MEMBERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: "I have responded, thoroughly, to your repetitive inquiry TWICE..."

YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED "TO MY BIBLE CORRECTIONS" TO YOUR OUTRIGHT BIBLE STUPIDITY AS SHOWN IN THIS LINK:  https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/175023/#Comment_175023


RICKEY, you are an outright and will burn in Hell upon your demise, so saith your serial killer Jesus in the following passage: “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)


RICKEY, obviously you went to FACTFINDERS; "School of how to RUNAWAY from posts that make you the Bible fool,"  but let it be known, I will relentlessly show that you are telling LIES regarding that you "allegedly" answered my post above, WHERE YOU DID NOT to save yourself from further EMBARRASSMENT in front of the membership!


IS THERE ANY OTHER BIBLE DUMMY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" THAT CAN HELP HIM IN THE LINK SHOWN ABOVE, WHERE AT THIS. POINT, HE IS RUNNING AWAY FROM IT, ANYONE?  

.

Factfinder

GiantMan said:

@Openminded
You don´t need religion to be a good person.

True, but atheists aren't exactly known for their generosity.  How many atheist charities do you know of.  

Atheist are known for their generosity. Just not known for their atheism. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ;

Factfinder said:

GiantMan said:

@Openminded
You don´t need religion to be a good person.

True, but atheists aren't exactly known for their generosity.  How many atheist charities do you know of.  

Atheist are known for their generosity. Just not known for their atheism. 

@Factfinder ;  A dog can be generous...A man is faithful to God, family, country.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Until you grow-up and get a pair...and provide a premise that is rebuttable...I will ignore you.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

THE BIBLE DUMMY RICKEYHOLTSCLAW FINAL QUOTE SHOWING TO ME THAT HE CANNOT ADDRESS HIS BIBLE STUPIDITY AS I HAVE SHOWN, PRICELESS!:  "Until you grow-up and get a pair...and provide a premise that is rebuttable...I will ignore you."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/175032/#Comment_175032

RICKEY'S quote above is pseudo-christian apologetic quote #28624 to run away from the FACTS that show without a doubt that RICKEY is becoming one of this Religion Forums most BIBLE PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS EVER, PERIOD!  LOL!!!


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
RICKEY, since you could not address my posts in correcting your Bible ineptness, and since you ARE SCARED and now sheepishly going into HIDING to prevent you from further embarrassment by my superior Bible Knowledge, over your pre-school knowledge of same, AND SINCE YOU WILL NOW IGNORE ME, it will make it easier for me to have free reign over you since you will no longer be responding to my posts showing you to be the BIBLE FOOL!

THANK YOU RICKEY!
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here is what the pseudo-christian RICKEY truly is:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU    LOL!!!!!
.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Still, you've offered NOTHING of substance, only drivel. Who is Jesus?

MayCaesar

@Openminded
You don´t need religion to be a good person.

True, but atheists aren't exactly known for their generosity.  How many atheist charities do you know of.  

The two biggest charity funds - Novo Nordisk Foundation and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - are explicitly non-religious. There is no such thing as an "atheist charity" because atheism is lack of belief. Do you call Christian charities "non-Zeus-believing charities"?

This, if anything, once more suggests that many atheists, when they do charity, actually mean it. I do not need to glorify Jesus or anything to do a good deed: I think the deed speaks for itself. If I do need to do so, then one might wonder if my charity is not a reflection of my goodness, but just a cover for religious propaganda.

GnosticChristian

Is Satan divine for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us?

This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn. 

The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpvmbBYtOAk

Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible.

Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine?

Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang?

I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door.

I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do.

Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden.

Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature.

Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing.

All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

RickeyHoltsclaw

GnosticChristian said:

Is Satan divine for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us?

This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn. 

The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpvmbBYtOAk

Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible.

Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine?

Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang?

I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door.

I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do.

Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden.

Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature.

Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing.

All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

@GnosticChristian ; @ZeusAres42 ; @Factfinder ; @MayCaesar

1) Satan did not impart the desire for reproduction within you, your Creator did and ordained that your reproduction and desires related to same be constrained and confined to the marriage covenant; this, for your protection and the benefit and protection of your wife and your children.

Satan simply took what Elohim created for good and sustainability and morphed it into defilement and ugliness and self-destruction.

2) Satan is consistently referenced in the masculine in Scripture (John 8:44).

3) Jesus is the true light...Satan is not the light but can only reflect same with inferiority. This can be seen in Islam's Allah who is Satan masquerading as an angel of light via the Arabic moon god...the moon is NOT truly a light, it reflects the light but can never match its intensity.

12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8:12 

English Standard Version
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

4) Satan has been given limited authority on Earth and can therefore be considered an "elohim" of sorts (2 Corinthians 4:4) as Elohim allows Satan to sift and separate the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats, concerning those who honor the Father and those who will ultimately perish in Hell.

5) Jesus is Elohim, our Creator (John 1; Hebrews 1; Colossians 1; Genesis 1)...Satan is created (Ezekiel 28:11-15).

6) Virtue did not emanate from Eden but death through rebellion and compromise with Evil (Romans 5:12)...this is why the great Kingdom War is first declared upon the Earth between the Son and Satan in Genesis 3:15 and the battle strategy Elohim would employ, the Gospel, to destroy the works of the Devil via Messiah (1 John 3:8b) is first pictured in Genesis 3:21, a Gospel that was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1: 8-10).

7) Sin is NOT a happy fault but sin is tragedy, death, suffering, deception, and Jesus gave Himself to defeat it and provide us victory through faith in Him as Messiah (John 3:16;1 Peter 1:18-19).

8) There is no virtue in sin...true, perfect, virtue is only found in Jesus who is without sin (2 Corinthians 5:21).

9) Satan did not initiate the Light...Elohim did...Satan brought darkness upon all of humanity through deception (John 8:44).

Ephesians 6:12 

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Acts 26:18 

To open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Colossians 1:13 

He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

1 Peter 2:9 

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

Ephesians 5:11 

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

1) Satan did not impart the desire for reproduction within you, your Creator did and ordained that 

Can't speak for my brethren but I happily pay tribute to that fact...

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage_HD.jpg/390px-Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage_HD.jpg

ZeusAres42

Folks, we must tip our hats to the ingenious invention of the "god of Atheism," a figure so elusive and paradoxical that it rivals the famed Invisible Pink Unicorn in its ability to be simultaneously nowhere and everywhere. Atheists, long believed to be collectors of godless philosophies, are sure to be surprised to find they've been worshipping a deity all along, and none other than Satan himself! It's a plot twist worthy of the finest telenovelas.

Perhaps a movie is in order?