first I am not talking about panpsychism. so do not bring it up, for it is not part of my debate. Now science really do not know where consciousness resides in the brain. All they say it is based upon perceptions, and neurons firing giving us awareness. This theory i am discussing, is that what we deem consciousness, is just a form of natural energy that; like time; fills the universe everywhere at once. It does not flow, but simply expands as the universe expands; and it permeates all physical matter giving awareness and what we call consciousness to those with a brain that can receive it; much like a radio receiver. This energy however is in all matter, including rocks and trees, plants, and so on, yet this type of matter in not capable of using this energy for they lack a brain or receiver to do so. For instance, radio signals may be absorbed by a rock, but can not use it. So this energy, is just a natural force of energy that at a fundamental level, fills the universe. any feed back?
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Maxx, Your topic reminds me of the work of Nobel prize winner Roger Penrose. He believes consciousness is linked to quantum mechanics. His view is not the majority opinion though. Here is an article for you about it though:
Roger Penrose: "Consciousness must be beyond computable physics"
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How does your theory work from a scientific point of view?
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Consciousness falls under Shannon’s Information Theory which relates energy to information. In other words, your brain could not work without a source of energy, but your consciousness is not any form of energy.
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consciousness is a product of the organization of energetic activity in the brain.
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can you at least explain your definition of consciousness before we go any farther. @Joeseph
Electrical and biochemical processes in action.
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And again, how does this produce consciousness?
Ask a Neuroscienctist , no one knows for definite
And that is not a decentdefinitionof consciousness
Based on whats known It sure is works for me.
I want what actuallyconsciousnessis, not the action of electricprocessesthat causes it.
Do you? It seems not as usual you want people to agree with what your preffered opinion on the matter might be
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. At least you should have a personal theory. @Joeseph
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That's a ridiculous analogy , and I told you what it was several times here you go again.........Electrical and biochemical processes in action., that's it no big mystery as far as I'm concerned.
Is this the part where you keep saying repeat that again and again and again ........
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I understand perfectly I've said it several.time .........Electrical and biochemical processes in action.= consciousness......its pretty obvious really .....
Do you understand " in action" ? Same as a computer just a machine doing its thing using all the necessary components.
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Thank you for allowing me to belive what is factually correct ?
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Well stated. Yet consciousness may not be a physical thing, it is a thing.
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Of self. Not outlr thoughts, or memories, but that little spark in your brain that is you, the life force of self. For lack of a better word, it is the observer part of your brain, the point of reference where you are behind all your thoughts,and actions. It is the part of you that watches your dreams at night, the part of you that is there as you look around sleepily in the moment you first wake up. @MayCaesar
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What is "self"?
We are just a bundle of perceptions, like links in a chain. To look for a unifying self beyond those perceptions is like looking for a chain apart from the links that constitute it.
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Yes Maxx I know all meditation I used to be Buddhist after leaving Catholicism.
what part of you is stopping those thoughts? It is your self, the first impulse you were born with, the part of you that stays with you all of your life, regardless of all thoughts and ideas; for thoughts and ideas are by-products of this self. It is your control center and that is the part of you that can stop all of these thoughts.
I don't know what my first impulse was nor does anyone , you haven't said exactly what "part" stays with you.
"Control centre" is self? But what is " self"? Look at a photo of "yourself " from 20 years ago and tell me ars you the same self as then? If so how?
What persists?
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**you tell me. what part of you is stopping these thoughts? **
So stopping thoughts is self ,really?
I don't know the exact biochemical / electrical process that stops thought you would need to ask a neuroscientist , calling it " self" is strange.
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That's way too Deepak Chopra for me Maxx but hey if that suits you no worries.
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If I were able to do such a thing, I doubt I would be able to make any sense out of it - and there is no evidence that the brain can even theoretically function this way. I also do not understand when you talk about whatever it is you are trying to define as "part of me": are you talking about a phenomenon or a human body part?
Your last question makes no sense to me. A brain is just an organ. It is not a living being that can be "aware" of anything.
I know you like to redefine commonly used words (although I do not know why), but in this case even what you are trying to define is unclear to me.
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No, I do not know what it means to halt one's thoughts. How can I know that I am aware if I cannot think about whether I am aware?
In my understanding, consciousness is inseparable from intelligence. You express the viewpoint similar to that of Eastern mystics who see the "self" as some separate entity, some kind of "soul" extraneous to the body, and to me this is pure fantasy.
The practice I engage in is acceptance of my thoughts and feelings: for example, when I run a hard event and feel a lot of pain and my chatterbox is telling me to quit the race, I do not fight these things and just keep going, letting them flow. Unlike the mystics though, I do not pretend that something supernatural is happening here: this is just a convenient way for my mind to conceptualize this things. In the end, it is all just chemical reactions.
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In the end, it is all just chemical reactions.
Spot on , it's pretty obvious isn't it?
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To me eastern or western practices of mediation are an expression and a byproduct of consciousness so being open to this may evolve in to a deeper understanding. I am looking at it like this, Where is the one asking the question located? and does this one have form?Ramana Maharshi practiced this method.
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A sophisticated AI intelligence doesn't have the fear of death so whatever solution it arrives at is flawed in so many ways. It also doesnt experience joy or sadness. @MayCaesar
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I think your trying to over simplify things to much. If I can make an analogy think about say garlic. If you over simplify it you can say that there is some thing in it thats good for you. But if you analize the hole thing of course garlic is real bad for you.
So it is over simplifying things to say that the same energy in rocks is the same energy thats in your brain.
But the irony is that the brain is very simple and the scientists are right. It is just a system of neurons transmitting very small electric pulses. And there is nothing to complicated about that. Computer chips do the same thing and the eneergy they use is from plugging the computer in to a wall socket. So with our brain it gets energy from burning food. Some food like garlic though could cause a serious malfunction just like computers, trash in trash out.
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I think that your making an assumption there. How do you know that?
Beer in mind that joy and sadness in animals is just chemical reactions that react with neurons and receptors. For example you go for a run and your body produces adrenalin and hormones that make your heart beat faster and react with nerves to produce a ffeling that we call being elated. The thing with AI is that they are all ready starting to build brains that have much more capacity and capability than a human brain. So wait for it. They will proberly experience more joy and sadness than humans ever have.
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