Christian Churches, remove your handicapped ramps and parking spaces now!

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,”

IN ANSWER TO YOUR FEBRUARY 28 POST:

HEBREW CREATION DEFECTS:

The concise bottom line to your over active and 3 paragraph “War and Peace” disertation to Jesus’ creation with defects relative to them not entering His Temples, is the fact that priestly or NOT, a godly proposal; why didn’t Jesus repel ALL of His Hebrew creation with defects from  entering His Temple in the first place?  If it was good enough for Aaron’s decendants with defects, then it should be good enough for EVERYONE that has defects if Jesus is that annoyed by them in the first place!

JESUS REPEATING HIMSELF TWICE: 

Jesus repeating Himself is still being weak as none other than the Hebrew God Jesus the Christ. Imagine, the only one god of the universe, that He created approximately 6000 years ago, has to say the same sentence TWICE!  This goes against this passage herewith where Jesus gets into the minds of His Hebrew creation to begin with in letting them know in what He means the FIRST TIME around:  “The Lord DIRECTS the steps of the godly. He delights in every detail of their lives. Though they stumble, they will never fall, for the Lord holds them by the hand.” (Pslam 37:23-24)

YOUR QUOTE OF JESUS RETURNING WITH CREATURES TO BRUTALLY MURDER HIS CREATION THAT DO NOT WANT HIM TO RULE OVER THEM:  “No, it is important to understand what these creatures represent as well, as that will provide a clear picture of what is going to happen in the future.”

Yes, Jesus and His horrific sulfur spitting creatures will brutally murder a portion of His Hebrew Creation upon his return, praise Jesus ever loving and forgiving nature, NOT!

The above biblical axiom directly goes against Jesus’ Forgiveness Doctrine herewith: “My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”(1 John 2:1-2)

Let me know if you need further explanation to the above contradicting proposition to Jesus’ murdering nature upon his 2nd Coming! Okay?

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YOUR QUOTE OF NOT PERMITTING CHILD ABUSE: “ ….. but when coupled with the rest of Scripture we see that we are not to go overboard and into the realm of child abuse. (Proverbs 19:18)

HUH? But, your Jesus as God, initiated child abuse as shown unfortunately below by His inspired words all the time within the scriptures, as an example for you to do the same if needed, what gives with you?

1. JESUS AS GOD SAID: “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?  For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.  (Matthew 15: 3-4)

2. JESUS AS GOD SAID: “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” (Samuel 15:3)

3. JESUS AS GOD INSPIRED THIS PASSAGE: “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalms 137:9)

4. JESUS AS GOD STRUCK DOWN THE FIRST BORN OF EGYPT: “He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of people and animals.” (Psalms 135:8)

5. JESUS AS GOD SAID: “I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.’ (Jeremiah 19:9)

6. JESUS AS GOD; murdered all of His Jewish Creation, including innocent zygotes, fetus,' babies, and children in His Great Flood Temper Tantrum (Genesis 6:5-7)

I DARE YOU TO SAY THAT JESUS AS GOD WASN'T A BRUTAL CHILD ABUSER THAT YOU ARE ALLEGEDLY AGAINST, DARE YOU!

YOUR INSIDIOUS QUOTE OF NOT TELLING THE TRUTH: “I am not running away from your ‘refutations’ but I can see that this conversation is going nowhere and for that reason decided to move on to another topic. We both provided our views and I believe I very clearly refuted YOUR posts and that you are searching for anything you can possibly use to justify your standpoint on this issue now that I have shown the error in many of your points.”

The conversation is seemingly to you going nowhere, but in fact, it is at your embarrassing expense.  This is simply because you are trying so hard to ungodly rewrite the LITERAL WORDS of Jesus at your expense upon Judgment Day!   I can’t help it if I have to correct your Bible ignorance and stupidity all the time, as shown in my recent refutations AGAIN, in you taking a Satanic position of trying in vain to REWRITE GODS EXPLICIT WORDS, in using your pitiful eisegesis that blatantly went nowhere as readily shown!

YOUR QUOTE OF WHICH WILL SHOW MORE OF YOUR FUTURE BIBLE STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE: “I will post my first topic shortly, so keep an eye out for it. Understand I am currently in college and have been turning in late assignments just so I can debate you so if I take a week or so to post my topic, that is why”

OMG, Trust me, I cannot wait for you to create a thread!  Hopefully you will actually do this act, and not get cold feet and run away in shame and embarrassment in front of the membership! 

 May I make a needed observation? Do you have room for another class at college that relates to "English writing skills," whereas it would teach you to be more concise, and not give us a WALL OF TEXT in a “War and Peace” book dissertation?  Please look into it, thank you. 

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21 Century Iconoclast,

You have repeatedly taken verses out of context throughout the course of this entire debate and I am wasting my time even responding. I think everybody can see you are grasping at straws now in reinterpreting everything in the Bible from the meaning that is commonly understood from the text. I noticed you completely ignored what I said about the Hebrew meaning in refuting your argument as shown in YOUR FEBRUARY 28 POST. You seem to like to jump from one argument to another. Whenever I refute one point you make, you move on to another, then another, and so on. Let me just summarize my points on the Leviticus 21 topic:

1.       Only the priests were allowed to enter the temple of God in order to offer the bread and the entire text of Leviticus chapter 21 pertains to the priesthood, and is, therefore, contrary to the basis of your argument that no one who is handicapped should be allowed to enter churches today.

2.       God’s purpose in instituting the laws contained in Leviticus chapter 21 was to provide a picture of the ultimate high priest, Jesus Christ, who would enter into the holiest place once for all to make atonement for sins, contrary to your statement that Jesus is annoyed by the disabled of His creation or that He for some reason, hates them. It had nothing to do with them and everything to do with the picture, just like every other law the Jews were given.

3.       Moses was not a priest, however, he acted as priest for a little while only for the purpose of showing Aaron and his sons what they must do. Whether Moses’ difficulty speaking indicates he had a disability or not, he would have been allowed by God into the temple for the purpose of demonstrating to Aaron and his sons what they must do simply because God Himself told him to do so. This is contrary to your statement that Moses was a priest and therefore violated God’s law in entering the temple because he supposedly had a disability.

Jesus Repeating Himself Twice:

That verse you have provided is completely incompatible with your claim that God will never say the same sentence twice. The Lord directing the steps of the godly does not equate with Him repeating Himself and therefore this argument is null. You are proposing that ‘directing someone’ means you will never repeat yourself, which is obviously not true.

Jesus Returning to Judge His Creation That Rejects Him:

First of all, Jesus doesn’t kill His Hebrew creation in the passages provided in Revelation that you presented. He will destroy all who reject Him, whether you are a Hebrew or not. Second, 1 John 2:1-2 was written to Christians. John was not telling unbelievers that if they sin they have an advocate with the Father. Once again, just as you did with Leviticus 21, you are not considering the context in which this passage was written and are thus applying, ‘anyone’ to everybody in the entire world. Since you have a hard time understanding this, let me give an example. Imagine I have a family. Imagine I tell everyone in my family, “No one is allowed to play video games past 9:00” Does that mean no one at all? Or does it mean no one in my family? In the same way, when God speaks to Moses about the priesthood and says ‘no one’ does that mean no one at all? Or does it mean no one of the priesthood? Furthermore, when John speaks to believers about committing sin and says ‘anyone’ does that mean everybody? Or does it mean any believer? It is not that difficult to figure out.

When St. John says that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, he literally means for the sins of the whole world. Christ died for everybody, even the worst sinner. But Scripture makes it clear that in order for the benefits of His sacrifice to be applied to you, you must believe and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38) You must put Scripture with Scripture instead of picking one verse and using it for your own purposes.

21 Century Iconoclast,

You are accusing me of eisegesis when you are the one who has used this fallacy time and time again throughout this debate. Putting two Scriptures together that pertain to the exact same topic in order to draw a Biblical conclusion is in no way eisegesis. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly used eisegesis, drawing verses out of Scripture and putting in your own interpretations and preconceived ideas as to what they mean. Let me give you some examples:

You claimed FOUR TIMES that, based on Leviticus 21, ‘If pseudo-christians actually read their primitive Bronze and Iron Age Bibles, instead of being “spoon fed” their doctrine on Sunday mornings, they would remove all handicapped entities now!’ I showed you very clearly that this verse simply pertains to the priesthood. EISEGESIS!

You claimed that in Matthew 5:18, ‘Jesus likened the continuance of the 613 Mosaic Laws, to the permanence of heaven and earth’ I showed you from Scripture that Christ fulfills the Old Law and because of that, we no longer follow the Old Law because when we follow Him, the Law is fulfilled within us. EIDEGESIS!

You claimed that Revelation 21:8 implies that even if a pedophile priest repents, he will be sent to hell regardless. ‘Repent? No you Bible fool, they are to be sent to the sulfur lakes of Hell’. I showed from the Scripture that Christ offers forgiveness of all sin, if repented of, and that this verse applies to the unbelievers who continue in the listed sins. EISEGESIS!

You claimed that 1 Corinthians 12:18-26, Ephesians 2:10, AND Romans 11:8(TWICE) are speaking of God creating everybody with every defect they are born with. “The irony is the biblical axioms that Jesus formed these “defected of His creation at birth” as shown and implied in the following passages below.’ Neither of these passages speak of the human body, nor God creating our physical flesh. 1 Corinthians 12 speaks of the mystical body of Christ and Ephesians 2 speaks of God’s work in us, and Romans 11 speaks of a spiritual blindness and deafness upon those who reject God. EISEGESIS!

You attempted to use Revelation 22:18-19 to prove that taking away from the book of Leviticus will result in God taking away a person’s part in the book of life. ‘Listen up Bible fool, the pseudo-christian accepts "those words," that were approximately written 3200 years ago, from their serial killer God Jesus, where they have NO AUTHORITY to usurp said words within the Holy Scriptures, do you understand?’ I showed that this passage, as the text itself states, is merely talking about taking away from the book of Revelation. EISEGESIS!

You claimed that Numbers 23:19 implies that, since God will not change His mind, He will never repeat His words more than once. ‘it is weak if He has to repeat himself because as the passage below states, He will NOT change his mind in the first place’ In reality repeating yourself and changing your mind are two totally different things. EISEGESIS!

You claimed that Proverbs 23:13-14 meant you are to beat any child you see who is out of line. ‘Since Jesus in Luke 4:4 says you are to BEAT a child with a rod that has gotten out of line… in seeing a child that needs a beating with a rod, why didn't you beat them as Jesus commanded you to do?’ I explained that this passage pertained to parents disciplining their children, as the context CLEARLY IMPLIES. EISEGESIS!

You claimed that Psalm 37:23-24 indicates that Jesus will never repeat Himself because He says that He directs the steps of the godly. ‘Jesus repeating Himself is still being weak… Imagine, the only one god of the universe… has to say the same sentence TWICE! This goes against this passage herewith where Jesus gets into the minds of His Hebrew creation to begin with in letting them know in what He means the FIRST TIME around’ I showed you the obvious fact that directing somebody’s steps does not in any way mean that He will never repeat Himself. EISEGESIS!

You claimed that 1 John 2:1-2 means that everybody will be forgiven, in contradiction with the book of Revelation. ‘Yes, Jesus and His horrific sulfur spitting creatures will brutally murder a portion of His Hebrew Creation upon his return, praise Jesus ever loving and forgiving nature, NOT! The above biblical axiom directly goes against Jesus’ Forgiveness Doctrine herewith’ I showed you, by the context and the audience of St. John, that this verse is speaking to believers. EISEGESIS!

I just showed that at least ¾ of the verses you chose to use in this debate employed the fallacy of eisegesis, and you are going to tell me that by comparing 1 Corinthians 11:5 and 1 Timothy 2:12, which both pertain to women being silent in the church, and coming to a solid conclusion that includes both of these verses’ input, I am committing eisegesis? NEED I SAY MORE? Who should be ‘wiping the proverbial egg off their face’?

21 Century Iconoclast, who likes to accuse other people of eisegesis when 99% of what they post utilizes the fallacy of eisegesis,

None of the verses you have provided make God a child abuse initiator. Let me address the verses you provided in one refutation because Paul himself IN FACT, ADDRESSED THIS VERY ISSUE: Romans 9:10-24. “Not only that, but Rebecca’s children were conceived by one man, our father Isaac. Yet before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that God’s plan of election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls, she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” So it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say? Is God unjust? Certainly not! For He says to Moses: “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore, God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use? What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory- including us, whom He has called no only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles?”

I think this passage is the perfect ending for this argument. You may not like the fact that God is able to do whatever He wants because that takes away your own control over your life, but the reality remains. God created us, He can do as He wills with us. We ought to be thankful He has given us some extent of free will to choose or reject Him and to live our lives for or against Him. He could’ve made us mindless robots; instead, as Paul states: “[God] bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath prepared for destruction.” He is patient with us and remember that clay is shapeable. If we turn to God in penance and turn from our evil ways, He will mold us into a vessel of mercy. If you want to read more on that, look at the parallel passage to this verse Jeremiah chapter 18.

Your Lying Quote: The conversation is seemingly to you going nowhere, but in fact, it is at your embarrassing expense…

I have not rewritten one passage whereas YOU COMMITTED THE FALLACY OF EISEGESIS AT LEAST 15 TIMES IN THIS DEBATE. Maybe you should consider that before arguing that you refuted my posts throughout this debate.

Your Quote: OMG, Trust me, I cannot wait for you to create a thread!...

I assure you I will not get cold feet. Debates like these only serve to solidify my faith in the one, true, holy, and apostolic Church that Jesus Christ founded. Give me about a week or so and I will create a thread.

And that is not a needed observation as I have been learning the English language and writing novels since I was seven years old, have already taken one English Composition class, and am currently in my second class of the same. Perhaps most ironic of all is the fact that I am currently pursuing a degree in Englsh and Literature and will be aiming for a career as an editor in the not-so-distant future. I have provided lengthy responses where needed to convince you beyond a reasonable doubt that what I am saying is true and since your first complaint, I have begun shortening them, as a quick back on this thread will reveal to you.

Unless you can provide me with an argument I have not already clearly refuted, I will not be responding on this thread again. Thank you.

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,” and the king of using EISIGENSIS in trying to rewrite Jesus' actual literal words, 

PROUDTOBECATHOLIC QUOTE OF RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE OF HIS OUTRIGHT BIBLE STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE!: “Unless you can provide me with an argument I have not already clearly refuted, I will not be responding on this thread again. Thank you.”

Debateisland Religion Forum, we have a “clean up” in isle 666, where ProudToBeCatholic is running away from his Bible ignorance and stupidity, where what he “thought he knew” using his ungodly eisegenis positions, he didn’t!  LOL!

ProundToBeCatholic, will you be using this same runaway tactic in your quote above when you actually post a thread, where I will continue to Bible Slap you Silly®️?

EISIGENSIS: an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.

Because of you using your ungodly and BLATANT EISIGENSIS POSITIONS, you have not clearly refuted my "LITERAL as written" Bible passages inspired by Jesus the Christ as shown in my posts to you below!

@ProudToBeCatholic 

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,” and the king of using EISIGENSIS in trying to rewrite Jesus' actual literal words, 

YOUR QUOTE OF ME ALLEGEDLY TAKING “LITERAL PASSAGES” OUT OF CONTEXT, LOL!!!!:  "You have repeatedly taken verses out of context throughout the course of this entire debate and I am wasting my time even responding. I think everybody can see you are grasping at straws now in reinterpreting everything in the Bible from the meaning that is commonly understood from the text."

What part of the word “LITERAL” don’t you understand?  You are the one using ungodly EISEGESIS in reinterpreting Jesus’ words from their “literal form” that I have brought forth at your expense!  Where the irony is, you CHERRY-PICK certain passages that CONTRADICT my literal passages to show that what they LITERALLY say, they do not! LOL!

Because of your ungodly actions shown above, you therefore are a and are destined to your burning sulfur lakes of Hell upon your Satanic ESIEGESIS demise!

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

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@ProudToBeCatholic 

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,” and the king of using EISIGENSIS in trying to rewrite Jesus' actual literal words, 

YOUR QUOTE ON JESUS REPEATING HIMSELF: “That verse you have provided is completely incompatible with your claim that God will never say the same sentence twice.”

Here is said passage that you “conveniently” forgot to include in your Bible ineptness quote above, where it is compatible to Jesus not having to repeat himself because he is GOD!

The Lord DIRECTS the steps of the godly. He delights in every detail of their lives. Though they stumble, they will never fall, for the Lord holds them by the hand.” (Pslam 37:23-24)

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@ProudToBeCatholic 

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,” and the king of using EISIGENSIS in trying to rewrite Jesus' actual literal words, 

YOUR QUOTE OF BIBLE STUPIDITY #2:  “You claimed that Revelation 21:8 implies that even if a pedophile priest repents, he will be sent to hell regardless. ‘Repent? No you Bible fool, they are to be sent to the sulfur lakes of Hell’. I showed from the Scripture that Christ offers forgiveness of all sin, if repented of, and that this verse applies to the unbelievers who continue in the listed sins. EISEGESIS!”

WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  Do the simple math, Jesus didn’t create a Hell and not plan on using it, GET IT?  Therefore, your digusting child buggering Pedophile priests, that you are guilty by association of in being a member of your Catholic church, are biblically burning in Hell as we speak! 

THINK! How utterly wrong is it to sin, like killing your wife, and then be forgiven for this sin by the serial killer Jesus, whereas, there is NO incentive not to sin in the first place if you are a despicable pseudo-christian like YOU?  Get it Bible fool?

TRY and understand this Jesus inspired passage below relating to your disgusting pedophile priests and you, where there was NO FORGIVENESS whatsoever in Jesus’ name in the particular situation shown below, got it?

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," (Hebrews 10:26)

Do you need further understanding of the passage above regarding that NOT ALL SIN is forgiven like you erroneously said in front of the membership? Huh? Maybe? Just a little bit?

Its been a long time in where I have run across a pseudo-christian like you that is so God Damned BIBLE IGNORANT!

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21 Century Iconoclast,

Your dumb Post: What part of the word “LITERAL” don’t you understand?

I provided a list of each time you committed eisegesis and put your own thoughts into what the Bible says rather than the clear reading of the text. Are you blind, or did you just skip over it in embarrassment? Maybe a mixture of both? LOL!

And I am an a and are destined to my burning sulfur lakes of Hell? Please explain…

ADDRESSING YOUR SECOND POST:

Your post: You blatantly CONTRADICTED yourself in the same sentence where you said Moses was NOT a priest, then saying he acted like a priest, whereas Jesus’ inspired words in the passage below state specifically that Moses WAS A PRIEST!!!

I will ignore your attempt to reinitiate the debate when I have already clearly explained the Hebrew meaning of the word priest in Psalm 99:6. I explained to you what the implication of Moses ‘acting’ as priest were and it is not a contradiction to say, Moses was not a priest but he acted as priest for the purpose of demonstrating to Aaron what he and his sons needed to do. If I am the manager and I show a teller what to do, have I become a teller? Acting as something does not make you that something.

The rest of your posts are irrelevant and I do not have the time to explain to you why every other sentence you write is false. Taking the Bible literally does not mean disregarding common sense. I have taken the passages literally whereas you have taken them out of context. Ever heard the phrase, ‘a text without a context is a pretext’? Maybe you should try memorizing that, UNDERSTOOD?

Now, feel free to bombard this thread with as many more irrelevant responses as you would like, but unless you choose to start a new debate addressing any further problems you may have, I will not be wasting my time with a response to somebody is only interested in flinging insults, cherry-picking passages from Scripture, and committing eisegesis on every verse they quote, GOT IT? GOOD!

@ProudToBeCatholic 

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,” and the king of using EISIGENSIS in trying to rewrite Jesus' actual literal words, 

YOUR QUOTE OF BIBLE STUPIDITY #5: You attempted to use Revelation 22:18-19 to prove that taking away from the book of Leviticus will result in God taking away a person’s part in the book of life. ‘Listen up Bible fool, the pseudo-christian accepts "those words," that were approximately written 3200 years ago, from their serial killer God Jesus, where they have NO AUTHORITY to usurp said words within the Holy Scriptures, do you understand?’ I showed that this passage, as the text itself states, is merely talking about taking away from the book of Revelation. EISEGESIS!

WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  Although the warning in the book of Revelation 22:18-19 is specific to the book of Revelation, the principle applies to anyone who seeks to intentionally distort God’s Word elsewhere in the Bible!  Moses gave a similar warning in Deuteronomy 4:1-2 where he cautioned the Israelites that they must listen to and obey the commandments of Jesus, neither adding to nor taking away from His revealed Word!  GET IT?

Then, in Proverbs 30:5-6, it contains a similar admonition to anyone who would add to the serial killer Jesus’ words: he will be rebuked and proven to be a . Although the warning in Revelation 22:18-10 applies specifically to the Book of Revelation, whereas its principle must be applied to the entire revealed Word of your brutal serial killer Jesus as God within the scriptures!  

You as a pseudo-christian at best, must be careful to handle your primitive Bible with care and reverence so as to not distort its ENTIRE message like you are trying in vain to do.  Do you understand?!

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@ProudToBeCatholic 

ProudToBeCatholic, whose mantra is; "Do not cherry-pick biblical passages, even though they are inspired by Jesus, that totally embarrasses me and my primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age Catholic Religion,” and the king of using EISIGENSIS in trying to rewrite Jesus' actual literal words, 

YOUR COMICAL QUOTE IN REACHING FOR THE STARS REGARDING THE BIBLICAL 2ND CLASS WOMAN: “This passage is relative to teaching. Women are not to teach in the church.”

Hmmm, again, you left out the appropriate passage for obvious reasons to save you from further embarrassment, of which is now shown below: 

JESUS SAID: “The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

Does the LITERAL passage above mention that women are not to “teach” in church? NO IT DOESN’T EISEGENES BIBLE FOOL! 

YOUR QUOTE IN TRYING TO SAVE YOURSELF FROM BEING AN EISEGENES FOOL: “There is a parallel passage to this that makes it more clear what St. Paul is saying. In 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet”.

HEADS UP EISEGENES FOOL, the above passages DOES NOT pertain to a church setting, therefore null and void!  The main premise is that 2nd class biblical woman are NOT to speak in church as 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 so states by none other than Jesus the Christ! 

You having to argue from “silence” shows explicitly that you DO NOT know your primitive Bible! LOL!

21 Century Iconoclast, who loves to cherrypick Bible passages and twist the references in the Catechism of the Catholic Church,

Now let me respond to your misuse of paragraph 116 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You really do like taking things out of context, DON’T YOU? From the Bible, to other’s posts, to the Catechism of the Catholic Church; is this ignorance or on purpose?

You referenced the CCC paragraph 116 which states, “The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal”.

Now, look at what the Catechism states surrounding this paragraph. “109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words. [Pay attention cause this next part is important] IN ORDER TO DISCOVER THE SACRED AUTHORS’ INTENTION, THE READER MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CONDITION OF THEIR TIME AND CULTURE, THE LITERARY GENRES IN USE AT THAT TIME, AND THE MODES OF FEELING, SPEAKING AND NARRATING THEN CURRENT. “FOR THE FACT IS THAT TRUTH IS DIFFERENTLY PRESENTED AND EXPRESSED IN THE VARIOUS TYPES OF HISTORICAL WRITING, IN PROPHETICAL AND POETICAL TEXTS, AND IN OTHER FORMS OF LITERARY EXPRESSION.” The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with Spirit who inspired it. BE ESPECIALLY ATTENTIVE “TO THE CONTEXT AND UNITY OF THE WHOLE SCRIPTURE”. DIFFERENT AS THE BOOKS WHICH COMPOSE IT MAY BE, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God’s plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, open since his Passover. READ THE SCRIPTURE WITHIN “THE LIVING TRADITION OF THE WHOLE CHURCH”. ACCORDING TO THE SAYING OF THE FATHERS, SACRED SCRIPTURE IS WRITTEN PRINCIPALLY IN THE CHUCH’S HEART RATHER THAN IN DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS, FOR THE CHURCH CARRIES IN HER tradition the living memorial of god’s word, and it is the holy spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of scripture. Be attentive tot eh analogy of faith. By “analogy of faith” we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.” And then it goes on to speak of the two tenses of Scripture: literal and spiritual, while claiming that, “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”

This does not mean you take one verse from the Bible and apply it in whatever way you want. Look at the way to study Scripture, as provided by the very same document in the same section of the passage you ONCE AGAIN took out of context. We are to take into account what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, what God wanted to reveal to us by their words, their time, culture, literary genres, modes of feeling, speaking, and narrating, and the CONTEXT AND UNITY OF THE WHOLE SCRIPTURE. This is how you read the Bible literally. You do not take on verse and apply it how you see it fit so why don’t you stop cherrypicking passages from Scripture and the CCC and actually be an honest handler of the word of God and others’ material, HUH? I guarantee you hae some good arguments you can bring. You do not have to stoop this low in order to try and justify your hate of religion. Instead bring up valid topics we can discuss like grown adults who don’t need to insult each other in every post? We aren’t five year olds and should be able to have an adult conversation. UNDERSTOOD?

21 Century Iconoclast,

In response to your post at 12:11

Uh, this was the passage we were talking about, DUH! Why would I include it in my quote when you already provided it. You can follow a conversation right? Or would you like me to include the Bible verse we are discussing at the beginning of every post I make? I can do that if you would like. I told you that God directing someone’s steps has nothing to do with repeating Himself. If I direct you to walk out the door of a building, does it show weakness on my part if you don’t obey me? Or does it show disobedience on your part? GET IT?

In response to your post at 12:13

I am not cherry picking your passages. I am summing up your arguments from each post you made and showing you how you have committed eisegesis in each one of them. I guess you forgot the definition of cherry-picking again. Maybe look it up again? And I told you the OT laws have not passed away yet; we fulfill them in Christ. How many times would you like me to tell you this?

In response to your post at 12:18

I never claimed Jesus created hell not to use it. God (a) created hell for the Devil and His angels and (b) for all of those who reject Him. They can repent because all sins can be forgiven, IF(YOU SEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORD IF MEANS) it is repented of.

The sin is wrong, the fact that God offers forgiveness for those sins if they are repented of is beautiful and many serial killers have come to Christ and been forgiven. St. Paul himself was a serial killer before he got saved, persecuting and killing the entire church of Christ, member by member. He said that the fact that Christ saved him is proof that Christ can save anyone. (1 Timothy 1:15)

You are taking Hebrews 10:26 out of context ONCE AGAIN! That verse is speaking to people who were believers and fell away from the faith. Here is the context, from verse 26 onward. “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT THAT SANCTIFIED THEM, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay, “ and again, “The Lord will judge his people”. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” This is speaking to believers who were once saved and had received the knowledge of the truth, but turned away from it. And in the Greek this passage connotates a continuous action on the part of the offender. The person continually tramples underfoot the Son of God and continually treats the blood of the covenant that sanctified him as unholy. As long as they are doing this, there no longer remains a sacrifice for them. That means there once was a sacrifice for them, but now there is not. Unbelievers who never accepted Christ in the first place never had a sacrifice for sins because they did not accept Him. Believers who turn from God and continue in their sin no longer have a sacrifice because they cast it aside as an unholy thing. GET IT?

21 Century iconoclast,

 Response to you post at 12:36

Your post: WRONG BIBLE FOOL!  Although the warning in the book of Revelation 22:18-19 is specific to the book of Revelation, the principle applies to anyone who seeks to intentionally distort God’s Word elsewhere in the Bible!  Moses gave a similar warning in Deuteronomy 4:1-2 where he cautioned the Israelites that they must listen to and obey the commandments of Jesus, neither adding to nor taking away from His revealed Word!  GET IT?

How did you forget what eisegesis is so quickly, given that you just provided the definition? It doesn’t matter if the concept is true; I told you that anyone who takes away from the Bible will be in trouble with God, but I said that you used eisegesis in attempting to prove it by Revelation 22:18-19. Why didn’t you use a verse that would actually prove what you were saying instead of taking the passage and Revelation and trying to make it seem as though that verse applied to all of Scripture. EISEGESIS!

I specifically told you that “while it is true that we are not to add or take away from the Scriptures, this passage in Revelation is only speaking of the book of Revelation”. What part of that is hard for you to understand? Tell me and I will clarify it.

Responding to your post at 12:40

I never said anything about children not having parents. In that case, obviously, it would be the caretaker of the child who is responsible to discipline them. And if they are street children, they are the responsibility of their original parents still and therefore the fact that they are not being disciplined is not anyone’s fault but the parents, if they are still alive. We are not responsible for each other’s kids. The fact that a child may not have parents does not mean some random stranger can walk up to him with a rod and smack him across the back, GET IT? It just requires a little bit of common sense to figure it out.

Response to your post at 12:42

Your post: Hmmm, again, you left out the appropriate passage for obvious reasons to save you from further embarrassment, of which is now shown below:

Once again, would you like me to include the verse we are discussing in every single post for you? I am perfectly capable of remembering what Bible verse we are discussing but if you are not, I will make sure to do that from now on. My apologies.

No, the passage merely says that women are not to speak in church, leaving it an open-ended statement. When can they not speak? Why can they not speak? Going to the passage in 1 Timothy 2:12 provides clarity as to what exactly this speaking is. Notice, these are two letters, both addressed to churches. Paul sends Timothy, who is a young pastor, one of these letters, and he sends the other letter to the church of Corinth. He provides instruction for behavior in churches in both letters, When you put both letter together you get a clear understanding of the guidelines churches are to follow. The Bible was not a collection of writing just put aside in a book. Most of the New Testament was written to actual churches and actual people but since they are inspired, we now read them for our own personal lives as well. Therefore it is not in anyway eisegesis for me to take two passages addressing women speaking in churches and put them together to form a coherent conclusion. How do you not understand this?