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Will Trump Die In Prison?

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Yes.  In 2039.
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  • SonofasonSonofason 448 Pts   -  

    Yes.  In 2039.
    Trump won't spend a moment in prison.
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Nope.

    I can't see anybody sending a former president to jail. It hasn't happened before and I don't think Trump will be an exception.
  • BoganBogan 419 Pts   -  
    @Nomenclature

    Trump is not going anywhere near a jail.   But now that the bigwigs in the FBI are going to have to justify their apparently criminal conduct over lying about the Hunter Biden laptop in front of the House Judiciary committee , I can't say the same thing for Joe Biden or Hunter Biden.     The evidence is all there.     Joe Biden has been running an influence peddling racket for year with his mo-ron of a son and they can't hide that clear criminal behaviour any more.       And  the bigwigs in the FBI not only knew about it, they will almost certainly face criminal charges themselves over suppressing evidence to prevent a criminal prosecution.    Add violating every US citizens 1st Amendment rights by fabricating a monstrous lie, that the laptop was :Russian disinformation in order to influence the outcome of an election, and the FBI bigwigs are very deep in the poo.      Not even Merrick Garland and his politically partisan US Justice Department can save the Deep State criminals this time. 
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Arrest

    Trump will be arrested this week.  How wrong you geniuses are.   :D
    jack
  • John_C_87John_C_87 Emerald Premium Member 864 Pts   -   edited March 2023

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  • jackjack 447 Pts   -  

    Trump will be arrested this week. 
    Hello J:

    All I gotta say is, if you come at the king, you'd best not miss.

    excon

  • Luigi7255Luigi7255 695 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    @JulesKorngold

    As much as I hate Trump, he likely will not be arrested. One, indictment =/= arrest, it just means you have to go to court to defend yourself against a criminal charge. Two, it's likely just a false statement from Trump (he's the one who says he'll be indicted) to rile up his base to form another riot. Just the idea of him getting indicted in the first place would bring even more chaos within the U.S. than ever before. We already have threats of execution on Democratic leaders if Trump does get indicted.

    What I'm essentially saying here is: to preserve the U.S., you have to keep the most controversial politician in U.S. history clean.
    Nomenclature
    "I will never change who I am just because you do not approve."
  • BarnardotBarnardot 519 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255 I just think that the hole thing sets a bad president for presidents because it is no bodies business that he paid a heap of money to that horse face chick because in the end it is his business any way any way look at what happened to Cliton when he missed and shooted off on that Monica chicks dress. Nothing that’s what so in the end all there doing is a which hunt just so they can score political points any way 
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    Argument Topic: The Crime

    @Barnardot
    The charge is not the paying of hush money.  The crime is falsifying business records of the Trump Organization.
  • SonofasonSonofason 448 Pts   -  
    Trump will be arrested this week.  How wrong you geniuses are.   :D
    Time is running out for your dream to come true...Well, keep dreaming.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    @Sonofason
    2039
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Trump will be arrested this week.  How wrong you geniuses are.

    Mhm. How wrong we were. Oh no wait, we weren't wrong. 


  • BarnardotBarnardot 519 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold ;The charge is not the paying of hush money.  The crime is falsifying business records of the Trump Organization.

    Well yes I know but it still a mounts to the same thing really because the payment details in the a count isn't going to read 10000 bucks for banging the crap out that horse mouth bich is it. So then what the countant does is water down the entry to read like disbursement for the entertainment of the ceo. And then the democrats jump on it and say wow hush money lets do him just like the same thing when the republicans tried to do Clinton. Clinton just said I did not have sex with that women and then when they drilled in him he said oh well it depends on how you define sex. Where as Trump just said nothing so in the end it depends what side that your toast is butted because is making up lies better than saying nothing.

  • SonofasonSonofason 448 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    @JulesKorngold
    Trump will be arrested this week.  How wrong you geniuses are.

    Mhm. How wrong we were. Oh no wait, we weren't wrong. 


    Nope, not wrong.
    Nomenclature
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Indicted

    What now, geniuses?
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    What now, geniuses?

    What now is you should take some time to learn the difference between the words arrested, prison and indicted.

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Indicted vs Arrested

    Being indicted and arrested are two different steps in the criminal justice process.

    An indictment is a formal charge of a crime brought by a grand jury. A grand jury is a group of citizens who are responsible for determining whether there is enough evidence to charge someone with a crime.

    An arrest is the act of taking someone into custody by the police. An arrest can be made without an indictment, but it is usually made after an indictment is issued.

    Being indicted is a more serious step than being arrested. It means that a grand jury has found that there is enough evidence to believe that you committed a crime.
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Trump will be arrested this week.  How wrong you geniuses are. 

    Tell us more about that.

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: April 4

    Trump is expected to be arraigned next Tuesday.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Predictions of Geniuses

    I can't see anybody sending a former president to jail. It hasn't happened before and I don't think Trump will be an exception.
    Bogan said:
    Trump is not going anywhere near a jail.
    Sonofason said:
    Trump won't spend a moment in prison.
    Wanna change your minds?   B)
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Trump's Odds Of Going To Prison This Time

    According to a 2018 study by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 68% of people indicted for a felony were convicted.
  • anarchist100anarchist100 781 Pts   -  
    According to a 2018 study by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 68% of people indicted for a felony were convicted.
    68% of them weren't billionaire politicians with millions of people willing to die for them.
    Nomenclature
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: So?

    According to a 2018 study by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 68% of people indicted for a felony were convicted.
    68% of them weren't billionaire politicians with millions of people willing to die for them.
    What's your prediction?
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    If you put Trump in prison you risk starting a civil war. He's the leader of a heavily armed cult with 70 million members.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Consequences

    There are many potential consequences of not holding Donald Trump accountable for his crimes. Some of these consequences include:

    Erosion of trust in the justice system:  If Trump is not held accountable for his crimes, it could erode public trust in the justice system. This could lead to people feeling like the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy and powerful, and that they cannot rely on the justice system to protect them.

    Increased political polarization:  If Trump is not held accountable for his crimes, it could further increase political polarization in the United States. This could lead to more gridlock in government and make it more difficult to address important issues.

    Damage to American democracy:  If Trump is not held accountable for his crimes, it could damage American democracy. This could lead to people losing faith in the system and making it more difficult to hold elected officials accountable.

    Set a dangerous precedent:  If Trump is not held accountable for his crimes, it could set a dangerous precedent. This could lead to other elected officials feeling like they can break the law without consequences. It could also make it more difficult to hold future presidents accountable for their actions.

    It is important to hold Donald Trump accountable for his crimes, not only for the sake of justice, but also for the sake of American democracy.
    jack
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    There are many potential consequences of not holding Donald Trump accountable for his crimes.

    Don't give me that absolute crap. Bush and Cheney's crimes killed close to a million people, and you're talking about a hush payment to a porn star. 

  • MineSubCraftStarvedMineSubCraftStarved 148 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    @JulesKorngold
    While Trump's arrest looks ever more likely with the indictment, I personally won't think it will lead to jail time.
    I think the case focusing on around 130,000$ paid to Stormy Daniels(even before Trump was president) is rather weak legally speaking. They could've focused on something more serious, such as tax fraud. Why they chose this specific example is beyond me.
    However, I believe Trump as a person is rather disgusting(like many other politicians and celebrities), but this whole legal case looks more like a character witch hunt, rather than something more substantive legalistically.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Many Crimes

    There are a number of crimes that Donald Trump could be held accountable for, including:

    Obstruction of justice:  Trump has been accused of obstructing justice on multiple occasions, including during the Mueller investigation and the January 6th insurrection.

    Campaign finance violations:  Trump has been accused of violating campaign finance laws by using his personal charity to pay off hush money to women who alleged affairs with him.

    Tax fraud:  Trump has been accused of tax fraud by the New York State Attorney General's office.

    Fraud:  Trump has been accused of fraud by multiple people and businesses, including by his former employees and contractors.

    Conspiracy to defraud the United States:  Trump has been accused of conspiracy to defraud the United States by the House January 6th committee.

    Solicitation to commit election fraud: Trump is alleged to have pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find" enough votes to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.

    Obstruction of justice: Trump is alleged to have interfered with the Georgia election investigation by trying to pressure witnesses and by making false statements.

    Conspiracy to commit election fraud:
     Trump is alleged to have conspired with others to illegally interfere with the 2020 election in Georgia.
    Sonofason
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Civil War Is Unlikely

    It is highly unlikely that sending Trump to prison would cause a civil war. While there are some Trump supporters who might be angry if he were to be imprisoned, there is no evidence that they would be willing to engage in armed conflict. In fact, most Americans support the rule of law and would expect Trump to be held accountable if he were to break the law.

    It is also important to remember that the United States has a long history of peaceful transfers of power, even after contentious elections. There is no reason to believe that this tradition would break down simply because Trump were to be imprisoned.

    Of course, it is impossible to say for certain what would happen if Trump were to be imprisoned. However, based on the evidence available, it is highly unlikely that his imprisonment would lead to a civil war.
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    @JulesKorngold

    Your impossible double standards expose you as a complete imbecile who under no circumstances should ever be taken seriously.

    Noting the war crimes now known and admitted to by George Bush and Cheney, George Washington University's highly-respected constitutional law professor Jonathon Turley asked MSNBC's Keith Olbermann last week: "If someone commits a crime and everyone's around to see it and does nothing, is it still a crime?"

    The discussion came in the wake of a new bipartisan US Senate report (pdf) that found that Bush was responsible for approving torture and abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and Cheney's admission during an ABC interview that he helped to approve torture and abuse in interrogations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/dec/22/george-bush--cheney-torture

    "I think things that they authorized probably fall within the area of war crimes. Whether that would be productive or not, I think, is a discussion we could all have. But we have established procedures now with the International Criminal Court in The Hague, where people who take actions as serving presidents or prime ministers of countries have been indicted and have been tried. So the precedent is there to do that sort of thing. And I think we need to ask ourselves whether or not it would be useful to do that in the case of members of the Bush administration. It's clear that things that the Bush administration did — in my mind, at least, it's clear that some of the things they did were war crimes."

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a35397/bush-cheney-war-crimes/

    In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were... found guilty of war crimes. Bush, Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia...At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a35397/bush-cheney-war-crimes/



    JulesKorngold
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Ongoing

    @JulesKorngold
     They could've focused on something more serious, such as tax fraud. 
    The New York State Attorney General's Office (OAG) investigated the Trump Organization for possible financial crimes, including tax fraud. The OAG's investigation was based on a referral from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office (DA), which was investigating the Trump Organization for possible campaign finance violations.

    The OAG's investigation found that the Trump Organization engaged in a number of fraudulent schemes, including:

    Valuing properties at inflated or deflated prices to reduce or increase tax liability:  The Trump Organization allegedly undervalued properties for tax purposes and overvalued properties for insurance purposes. This allowed the Trump Organization to pay less in taxes and collect more in insurance money.

    Deducting personal expenses as business expenses:  The Trump Organization allegedly deducted personal expenses, such as Trump's hairstyling and travel expenses, as business expenses. This allowed the Trump Organization to reduce its tax liability.

    Creating fake invoices:  The Trump Organization allegedly created fake invoices to support its claims for deductions. This allowed the Trump Organization to claim larger deductions than it was entitled to.

    The OAG's investigation resulted in the Trump Organization being charged with 15 felony counts, including tax fraud, grand larceny, and conspiracy. The Trump Organization has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

    The Trump Organization's tax fraud case is ongoing. Trump could be charged personally, and he could face significant penalties if he is convicted.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    Argument Topic: "What About" Bush And Cheney

    "Nomenclature" is committing the "What About" fallacy instead of providing evidence for his claims about Trump.  He should stay focused on Trump - the topic of this debate.  And, as usual, he resorts to personal childish insults.

    The "what about" fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone tries to avoid discussing a particular issue by bringing up another issue. This fallacy is often used in political debates, but it can be used in any type of discussion.

    The "what about" fallacy is often used in a way that is designed to change the subject or distract the listener from the original issue. For example, if someone is criticizing a politician for their handling of the economy, the politician might respond by saying, "What about the other politician who was in charge when the economy was in a recession?" This is an attempt to change the subject by bringing up a different politician's handling of the economy.

    The "what about" fallacy can also be used in a way that is designed to make the original issue seem less important. For example, if someone is criticizing a company for polluting the environment, the company might respond by saying, "What about all the other companies that pollute the environment?" This is an attempt to make the original issue seem less important by pointing out that other companies also pollute the environment.

    The "what about" fallacy is a logical fallacy that can be used to avoid discussing important issues. It is important to be aware of this fallacy so that you can avoid being tricked by it. If someone uses the "what about" fallacy in a discussion, you should point out that they are avoiding the issue and that they should address the original issue.


    Nomenclature
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    "Nomenclature" is committing the "What About" fallacy

    You are committing the "raging double standards" fallacy, where you gleefully ignore extremely serious war crimes and the sanction of torture by a sitting US president, but feign outrage over a hush payment to a porn star. Your transparent refusal to apply the law equally to all people exposes you as a disingenuous, self-interested troll, which quite ironically is exactly what Trump himself is. 

    If I shoot a shopkeeper in the face and the police come and arrest the kid next to me who was stealing sweets, but ignore the cold-blooded murder I just committed, then ordering me to "stay focused" on the sweet thief is not going to rationalise that absurd situation any more than telling me to "stay focused" on Trump is going to rationalise the fact that Bush and Cheney are completely free men.

    You have no credibility as a human being. 

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    More "What About" nonsense and insults from "Nomenclature".  What a genius.   :p

    Are we gonna be tricked by this juvenile trick?  Not me.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    Argument Topic: Values

    "Nomenclature" seems to value:  Aggressiveness, dishonesty, disrespect, close-mindedness, unfairness, arrogance, intolerance, cunning, and dominance.

    Good debaters value:

    Intellectual honesty: A good debater should be honest in their arguments and avoid making false claims or misrepresenting their opponent's position.
    Respect: A good debater should respect their opponent's right to have a different opinion and should avoid personal attacks.
    Open-mindedness: A good debater should be open to considering new information and perspectives, even if they disagree with them.
    Fairness: A good debater should play by the rules of the debate and avoid trying to win by unfair means.
    Humility: A good debater should be willing to admit when they are wrong and learn from their mistakes.
  • Luigi7255Luigi7255 695 Pts   -  
    Luigi7255 said:
    @JulesKorngold

    As much as I hate Trump, he likely will not be arrested. One, indictment =/= arrest, it just means you have to go to court to defend yourself against a criminal charge. Two, it's likely just a false statement from Trump (he's the one who says he'll be indicted) to rile up his base to form another riot. Just the idea of him getting indicted in the first place would bring even more chaos within the U.S. than ever before. We already have threats of execution on Democratic leaders if Trump does get indicted.

    What I'm essentially saying here is: to preserve the U.S., you have to keep the most controversial politician in U.S. history clean.
    Well, this aged like milk.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/31/trump-indictment-what-to-know/1afe3a46-cf7f-11ed-8907-156f0390d081_story.html
    JulesKorngold
    "I will never change who I am just because you do not approve."
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255
    Well, this aged like milk.

    The thing you overlooked is that most Democrats are comparably insane to the Republicans, just in different ways.

  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold
    Are we gonna be tricked by this juvenile trick? 

    There's no trick. You're objectively a self-interested hypocrite who is allowing personal bias to outweigh historical reality. There is not one iota of logic in letting Bush walk away into the sunset but relentlessly pursuing Trump for much lesser crimes. This bizarre lack of consistency in the US judicial system only empowers Trump to pursue the argument that he is the victim of a witch hunt, and your refusal to acknowledge I have a point only discredits you as a lowbrow imbecile who wants to abuse the notion of fallacy. It is not a fallacy to draw public attention to an overt double standard.

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Just A Distraction

    "Nomenclature" still tries to distract from the topic of the debate.
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    Why don't you tell us how many died in Iraq as a result of Trump's hush money payment to Stormy Daniels?
    JulesKorngold
  • Luigi7255Luigi7255 695 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    @Nomenclature

    I was replying to and making fun of my own comment of me saying Trump likely wouldn't get indicted, my comment wasn't about the insanity of political parties.
    JulesKorngold
    "I will never change who I am just because you do not approve."
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @Luigi7255
    I was replying to and making fun of my own comment of me saying Trump likely wouldn't get indicted

    I'm fully aware. I was trying to explain that your comment was a reasonable assumption to make, but that the people targeting Trump are equally as corrupt as he is.

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: More Distraction From "Nomenclature"

    He knows Trump will die in prison.  B)
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    So how many died in Iraq because of Trump's crimes? Was it more or less than the million who died because of Bush's crimes?

    Your raging double standards are why Trump has so many supporters in the first place.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: 2039

    Trump will die in prison in 2039.  ;)
  • NomenclatureNomenclature 1245 Pts   -   edited March 2023
    @JulesKorngold
    Trump will die in prison in 2039.

    You seem joyful about that. You strike me as the sort of person who finds great enjoyment in the suffering of others. 

    What was your childhood like? Any bullying in adolescence?

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -   edited April 2023
    Argument Topic: Why Is "Nomenclature" Ashamed Of His Country?

    He won't disclose it...Very suspicious.

    He might be ashamed of his country's history of violence or oppression. He might be ashamed of his country's current political or social problems. He might be ashamed of his country's treatment of certain groups of people, such as immigrants, minorities, or women.
  • BoganBogan 419 Pts   -  
    Now let's see?        President Biden is the head of an influence peddling crime family who we now know received at least $10 million dollars from foreign agents to do their bidding.    Incredibly, the CIA, the FBI, and the US Justice Department is defending him and his crack smoking son.         Worse, the Legacy media, who's job description is to seek out political corruption is protecting him too.    If anything points to the fact that the US has a "deep state" who rig elections, suppress free speech,  and protect the rich corrupt establishment then this present US scandal takes the cake.       36% of US voters claim that Biden "is doing a good job", which just goes to, prove that around a third of US citizens have serious mental health problems.       And we still get brain dead's who obsess over Trump, arguable the best US President since Ronald Reagan.      
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 809 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: "What About?" Fallacy

    We're discussing Trump's prison death, not Biden.
  • BoganBogan 419 Pts   -  
    @JulesKorngold

    Yeah, Jules.    Biden is a world class racketeer the head of an obviously corrupt and out of control US government which rigs elections and controls free speech.    But you don't want to examine that.   No, it is just Trump Derangement Syndrome all the way.    Don't look at the real problem which is staring you and your leftard friends right in the face.    It is just get Trump, get Trump, Get Trump, for you.    You must be a civil servant who dreams of a government {:"OF the public service, BY the public service, and FOR the public service."   

    Used to be that lefties like you used to attack at the deep state who murdered President Kennedy and who manipulated politics to keep themselves in absolute power.    Now, you leftards think that allying yourselves with the deep state is the way to go.
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