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We live on a flat Earth
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By SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 1080 Pts edited March 1
Well, it seems the other thread has been deleted, so I decided I would start up a new thread.

And, just so you know Pouge and friends, you guys have been muted. So, I'll allow the guy below to waste his time.

@Erfisflat
  1. Just to be clear, you don't really believe we are all worthless monkeys on a spinning ball right?

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  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    edited February 25
    I guess I will start and since you guys did not debunk these yet I will repost them.
    There are so many more ways you can prove to yourself the Earth is round. You can see more things the higher up you are. Long suspension bridges’ towers slope slightly away from one another to account for the curvature of the Earth. Every other planet is a spinning sphere. Satellites exist (as proven by the existence of your iPhone), and obey rules that only work if they’re orbiting around Earth. We’ve taken many, many pictures of Earth. Buy a weather balloon and strap a camera to it.

    Satellites have to exist for the internet to work. The TV would not be here without relativity which involves gravity. The ISS exists because you can clearly see it if it goes above your location. You can easily watch the youtube live stream from the ISS. 

    Hurricanes, cyclones, and typhoons are all the same thing: Spinning masses of air sucking moisture from the ocean, dumping it back on us and destroying things in their path. A hurricane is just a giant wind drain—a low-pressure center with winds flushing into it. The wind always blows counter-clockwise inwards in Northern Hemisphere hurricanes—check out this picture of Hurricane Katrina and the United States. Notice the direction the wind is traveling with a compass, depending on where the Hurricane is.

    However, in the Southern Hemisphere, the wind travels the opposite direction. Here’s a picture of Hurricane Catarina, a very rare Southern Hemisphere Atlantic Hurricane:

    Notice that Catarina is very clearly spinning in the opposite direction. That’s because of the Coriolis effect—the wind changes direction as the planet spins. If the Earth wasn’t spinning, the wind should blow straight into the middle of the hurricane from all directions. But the Earth spins faster at the equator than at the poles, because our planet’s midsection has the furthest distance to travel with each rotation. Winds traveling northwards or southwards curve as they travel from slower spinning to faster spinning regions of the planet. The wind carves the opposite direction based on whether you are above or below the equator since the Earth’s rotation gets slower on alternate sides. 

    You can recreate this by spinning a basketball on your finger, and moving a marker from the bottom up or the top down—notice what the line looks like above and below the middle of the ball.

    Okay, let’s try to explain all that with a flat Earth. If Earth was a giant spinning plate with the North Pole at its center, all hurricanes should spin in the same direction and should have a much more spiral shape the further south (i.e., away from the center) you head. You could maybe slow down the spins further from the center of the spinning plate, but then you should see the continents ripping apart from the different speeds. It just doesn’t make any sense.

    Look at this, a guy sent a camera to space and the Earth is round:  https://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/homemade-spacecraft-reaches-100000-ft-films-the-whole-way-1287792/.

    The video proves why the Coriolis effect is real and is dictated by hemisphere.  The important parts are from 1:44-5:35. It has a controlled experiment. At the end, it explains why there is a difference between hemispheres. It works because it does. To understand this, think of a pool at the geographic poles. It is stationary relative to Earth, but every sidereal day, it is actually completing one full rotation. The part further away from the pole and closer to the equator move faster because it has to complete a larger movement in the same amount of time (that is why rockets are launched closer to the equator. When the plug is pulled (part of the experiment) everything is moving toward the drain in the middle. The far side is faster so it gets ahead while the slower part is too slow so it lags behind. 

    Edit: The video was a picture by accident becasue I copied and pasted my arguments. Here is the video: 

    namemcnameqipwbdeoUSAfoe123EvidenceBaconToes
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • To make sure there is no dishonest misrepresentation of what the scientific method is, we should probably start with the question, and start formulating testable experiments that allow various topologies and geometries to be discounted. From here we can rapidly narrow down to one or two geometries, then can select the geometry that best fits the evidence and experiments.


    That’s #science.


    So let’s start off with the basics. We’re talking about geometry, so we can determine the geometry of the earth we are standing on by attempting to determine a single property:


    What is our orientation compared to all other observers.


    If up is the same for all observers, the earth is flat. If there are six different “ups” that are all 90 degrees different from any other: the earth is a cube, if the change in orientation for any observer is directly linearly proportional to distance, the earth is a sphere.


    So; a way to scientifically prove the geometry of the earth is by finding a test that allows us to determine the orientation of all observers.


    #StillScience


    The best way of confirming the orientation is to have each observer measure the position of an object multiple observers can see at the same time. 


    You can do this with the sun, the moon or stars.


    Their observed location will be a product of where they actually are, combined with the observers orientation. The latter is what we are attempting to determine.


    If you make a number of measurements; you will see something interesting:

    No matter where you are, or what location you are, if two observers are 69 miles apart, in any direction, the sun, the moon, or the stars will be in exactly 1 degree different positions in the sky.


    On a flat surface this isn’t possible. As the object and each observer should form a triangle. Tan(o/a) shows that has you get further away from the object on the earths surface, the amount the angle changes decreases: ie: if you move 70 miles, you will have a bigger change in perceived angle if you are closest to the object than if you are 5000 miles away.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SB3x7jZIOdE

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GWdIRsaIqc8


    While this effectively means that observers must be orientated 360 degrees in 3 dimensions. While this could be described by a football type geometry or a geodesic with many sides: as we’ve never seen any form of ridge these can all be discounted.


    So geometrically; this proves the earth is a sphere, as these measurements are not consistent with the geometry of a flat surface.


    So, now we can get into the realm of confirmations, this takes the form of measurements that are consistent with the earth being a sphere. We should see most observations being consistent with a the earth being a sphere, and a flat earth. Consistence here is based on geometry only without additional explanations or theories added.



    So let’s go through them: (I’m assuming people know how to use google: every thing on the list below can be confirmed with a quick google search).


    1.) all other planets appear to be spheres. If any of the other planets appeared flat, the idea that the earth were flat would be more plausible.

    https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-03/most-incredible-pictures-every-planet-our-solar-system#page-2


    2.) the sun appears to set for all observers on the earth. The times and nature is consistent with a spherical earth, but not flat.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/


    3.) There is a horizon for all observers, that objects appear to fall over, and tall buildings are obscured by. This is consistent with a spherical earth, and not with a flat earth.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Shiphorp.jpg


    4.) the sun moves at a constant rate through the sky. This is consistent with the earth being a rotating sphere, and inconsistent with the earth being flat, and the sun rotating overhead. This is the principle of how sundials work:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7KLstUZbI


    5.) the sunset is at locations inconsistent with a flat earth and consistent with a sphere: at the horizon on the equinox, the sun rises due east and sets due west. On a flat earth, as described by flat earthers, the sun would be north east and north west respectively.


    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_AQv6FS1ueA


    6.) the regions of earth that have daylight are consistent with a spherical earth: with a straight edged terminator.when the map of the earth is flattened, the regions of daylight and nighttime make no sense when the earth is flat, as some night time areas would be closer to the Sun than areas of day time. In addition on a flat earth, even a close sun would be higher over the horizon at all times due to perspective, meaning all parts of the world would be within line of sight of the sun.

    http://www.nmsr.org/flatter.htm



    7.) lunar eclipses are always round: never a line, no matter when or where they occur. This is consistent with a spherical earth, and inconsistent with a flat earth.


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-i_aVMk46EVda7ft_E1DobvUjp0mAJ0jKtL6QsXeR0PWK_590


    8.) pictures of earth, as a sphere, from space have been provided by multiple space agencies and governments hostile to each other, and a number of private organizations.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEzsAy4qeU


    9.) GPS satellite technology has been developed that is based off satellite signals being received in the sphere. Hundreds of disparate companies are involved with the development of the satellite, commercial GPS chips, test equipment for validating them, etc: and gps is confirmed to work in the ocean, in the desert and in the arctic. This is not consistent with a flat earth, and is consistent with a spherical earth.


    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/scan/communications/policy/GPS_History.html


    10.) Gravity is measured to be stronger North/south by an amount consistent with gravity being cancelled out by the centripetal force at the equator more than at the poles. 


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_of_Earth

    http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/42-our-solar-system/the-earth/gravity/94-does-your-weight-change-between-the-poles-and-the-equator-intermediate


    11.) Gravity would prevent the earth being flat, and requires it to be a sphere. This is also provides consistent explanations for the formation of the earth, and why all other planets are spheres.


    http://m.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Space_sensations/Why_are_things_in_space_the_shape_that_they_are


    12.) the distance you can see and the objects you can observe are related to how high up you are, this is consistent with a spherical earth and not a flat earth where you would have consistent depth of view with objects in the way the only limiting factor other than this.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon


    13.) when using a device (a pendulum or gyroscope) with sufficiently low friction, the change they exhibit appears consistent with a rotating earth.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b14l3-A8iUQ

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wIuBSprsDA8


    14.) lunar eclipses can happen, which are inconsistent with a flat earth.


    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lunar_eclipse_oct_8_2014_Minneapolis_4_46am.png


    15.) multiple dozens of companies in multiple countries develop and use satellites, including television, communications, satellite phones and have done since the days of Telstar.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communication_satellite_companies


    16.) we can observe satellites like the ISS, and others passing behind the shadow of the earth on a daily basis.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yHt28UbaR2I

    http://www.neatorama.com/2011/02/28/space-shuttle-docking-with-space-station-as-seen-from-earth/


    17.) the stars rotate in different directions in the north and south, and appear to be moving in a straight line at the equator. This is perfectly consistent with a spherical earth.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nam90gorcPs

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UNiNJC3UHIo


    In addition it’s worth covering the observations that are not consistent with a curved earth.


    1.) There is always a horizon, but objects that should be a little beyond the horizon are sometimes visible.


    2.) lunar eclipses are sometimes visible when the moon and sun are both visible to an observer.


    3.) at short distances the earth appears flat.



    (1) and (2) are not evidence of a flat earth, as they could also explained by other geometries (such as parts of the earth being flatter than others, or the globe being larger than thought.


    (3) is not inconsistent with a spherical earth that is large, as any curvature or racing away of the earth would be nearly inperceptible and difficult to measure accurately.



    (1) is explained by measurable effects: the atmosphere can bend light as warm humid air and cold air have different refractive indexes, as this ends up curving light by small amounts. Measurements of air and snells law of refraction make this apparent. This is also a consistent explanation as these locations that are visible are only visible in specific conditions, and non predictable times; rather than all the time.


    (2), as with 1; knowns properties of air, and known laws of physics allows us to determine that the position of the sun and moon would be raised due to refraction; happily explaining this geometry.


    So, let’s compare the explanations side by side to which explanation best fits the facts.


    Either 


    • the earth is a sphere; and
    • Refraction works the way establishes science implies it should


    Or (given what I understand listening to flat earthers)


    • the earth is flat. And
    • Every single picture of earth has been faked. And
    • Millions if not tens of millions who work in satellite communication, technology, GPS and the space industry are engaged in a massive global conspiracy AND
    • Multiple hostile governments have colluded to cover up the truth, over 60 years, and
    • Images have been faked since the late 1940s, in some cases with images far more advanced than the apparent technology to fake at the time, and
    • Not a single piece of documentary evidence consistent with this global cover up has ever been released or distributed. And
    • Despite multiple millions of individuals over many decades needing to have knowledge of the conspiracy, no credible whistleblower has come forward and
    • A team of individuals are constantly recruited to engage in cgi and photoshop and other fakery without anyone being tipped off and
    • There is some other process that by fluke of coincidence shifts the apparent position of the sun, the moon in just the right way that they appear to match the expected position they would be if viewed upon a sphere and
    • There is an additional rahu around the earth that by fluke of coincidence makes it appear as if there is a lunar eclipse in just the right way to be consistent with a spherical earth. And
    • There is some unknown force that moves the sun and moon around that no one has ever been able to measure and coincidentally moves the sun and moon in a way that exactly matches the way it should move on a spherical earth. And
    • There is some unknown reason by which the stars appear to rotate in different directions in a way that is coincidentally identical to how it should appear on a spherical earth. And
    • There is a team of people faking satellites with planes or other objects that have never been spotted taking off, refueling, etc. And
    • Some unknown force causes Foucault Pendulums and precision low friction gyroscopes appear to precess at just the right amount to be consistent with a spherical earth. And
    • Some unknown reason or force causes the measured weight/gravity to be different at the poles vs the equator by exactly the right amount to be consistent with the force of gravity being cancelled out by the force generated by earths rotation. And
    • Some atmospheric phenomena exists that matches the behaviour of objects appearing to fall over a horizon in exactly the way expected on a spherical earth.
    • Some mechanisms exists that causes the distance you can see to be proportional to the height of objects rather than obstructed perspective.



    It’s pretty clear here that the idea of that multiple coincidental process all “just so happen” to conspire to make the world look as if it’s spherical strains credulity.


    Most importantly: as there are multiple unknowns that would have to be assumed to exist; as well as multiple coincidences that conspire, it’s clear that flat earth fails Occam’s razor by a massive gulf; and thus a spherical earth most clearly and self evidently matches all the observations concisely, and with the fewest assumptions.


    So as a result; actually applying the scientific method; flat earth absolutely fails to meet even the most basic scientific standard.


    Indeed, it is not clear how anyone can think it is a scientific position given the number of unknowns, coincidences and unexplainable happenstance is necessary for it to be true.


    #YepStillScience.


    namemcnameqipwbdeoUSAfoe123Erfisflat
  • I feel if we want to discuss this, we should do it in another community: the moderator in this community clearly is unable to go through a thread without abusing his powers in order to try and win an argument.
    namemcnameqipwbdeo
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @Gooberry
    Yep, the moderator deleted four of your posts when nothing was wrong with them, they just debunked and disagreed with him. He then went on to delete the entire debate! 
    qipwbdeo
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    When I previously stated, "There are so many more ways you can prove to yourself the Earth is round. You can see more things the higher up you are. Long suspension bridges’ towers slope slightly away from one another to account for the curvature of the Earth. Every other planet is a spinning sphere. Satellites exist (as proven by the existence of your iPhone), and obey rules that only work if they’re orbiting around Earth. We’ve taken many, many pictures of Earth. Buy a weather balloon and strap a camera to it.

    Satellites have to exist for the internet to work. The TV would not be here without relativity which involves gravity. The ISS exists because you can clearly see it if it goes above your location. You can easily watch the youtube live stream from the ISS." I did not link the live stream. Here it is, 
    qipwbdeoBaconToes
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • someone234someone234 615 Pts
    edited February 27
    Why do you people engage these trolls?

    The Earth is blatantly a 3-D shape that is spherical in nature.

    If they cannot understand plane routes or understand north and south pole then IGNORE THEM.


    Pogue
  • @Someone234 A rant about me being a troll followed by a rap song. Not an argument.
    BaconToes
  • Sorry, whats that Pouge and Goober, I can't read your posts, I imagine it's just "HUR DUR FALLACY".
    Poguesomeone234GooberryBaconToes
  • Sorry, whats that Pouge and Goober, I can't read your posts, I imagine it's just "HUR DUR FALLACY".
    Quick Q: I would actually like to see SGN respond to the live-stream that was posted by Pogue, as that was not a fallacy post, but an argument.
    Pogue
    A good debate is not judged by bias, but in the context of the debate, where objectivity is key and rationale prevalent. 


  • Sorry, whats that Pouge and Goober, I can't read your posts, I imagine it's just "HUR DUR FALLACY".
    Quick Q: I would actually like to see SGN respond to the live-stream that was posted by Pogue, as that was not a fallacy post, but an argument.
    Let me guess, the ISS livestream with the fancy curved fish eye panels?


    BaconToes
  • The Earth must be flat since everyone thinks it's round.

    Free the mind, we are slaves ahhhh
    Pogue
  • Sorry, whats that Pouge and Goober, I can't read your posts, I imagine it's just "HUR DUR FALLACY".
    Quick Q: I would actually like to see SGN respond to the live-stream that was posted by Pogue, as that was not a fallacy post, but an argument.
    Let me guess, the ISS livestream with the fancy curved fish eye panels?


    1) With a lense, it will curve lines of perspective away from the centre, e.g.:

    Image result for camera lense barrel distortion

    2) The earth in that image does not reach the centre of the picture.

    Ergo the distortion in that picture is making the earth less curved than it is in reality, not more, and therefore it is approximately proof number one billion of the spherical nature of the earth. Thanks for your assistance.
    Poguesomeone234
  • The Earth must be flat since everyone thinks it's round.

    Free the mind, we are slaves ahhhh
    And, when was that ever said?

  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @SilverishGoldNova
    Can you please reply to the arguments made by @Gooberry, @Ampersand, and I (first one). You ignore those while you pick on the weak ones (no offense). 
    namemcname
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 



  • The entire idea of days, nights and how long they last only works if the Earth is round. If the Earth were flat and one person could see the Sun, then literally everyone on the whole planet could also see it. Think about a light in the center of a basketball court—imagine that light is the Sun, the court is the flat Earth. But we know that’s not true.

    Maybe you’re not convinced, and you think that somehow, a ten thousand degrees ball of fire can’t light up our entire puny little rock. You’d still need to explain the Sun going below the horizon as it dims—we’ll get to that in a sec. And what about the lengths of the days?

    If you’ve somehow figured out a way to explain the existence of day and night with a flat Earth, how would you explain the day being longer and shorter depending on where on Earth you are? During Northern Hemisphere summer (Southern Hemisphere winter), the days are increasingly longer further north and shorter further south, because the Earth is facing the Sun at a tilt. I cannot think of a way to explain the combination of day and night, and the lengths of the days being different depending on where you are, with anything except for a round ball tilted towards a bright light.

    Need another explanation? Just shine a flashlight at your spinning basketball and look at the amount of time the dots are illuminated, depending on where you point your light.

    More evidence you say (or at least so I can set up this argument). Go take a plane ride. Look out the window. You can see that the Earth is curved.  Go west for a bunch of hours. Look at the compass, insist that they only steer to keep on a single-direction course. You will eventually land in the same airport. Ask them to do it again, going North or South. Learn to fly and prove it to yourself. Look at the boats when you are on a shore. They will eventually go below the horizon as they travel away, something that requires the Earth to at least be curved. Ptolemy noticed this around 2,000 years ago. There are some crazy flat Earth explanations that involve “perspective.” 

    namemcnamePogue
  • namemcnamenamemcname 88 Pts
    edited February 27
    Pogue said:
    @SilverishGoldNova
    Can you please reply to the arguments made by @Gooberry, @Ampersand, and I (first one). You ignore those while you pick on the weak ones (no offense). 
    I've noticed with him he always goes after the weaker ones, but then, when presented with strong evidence against his beliefs, he'll usually just dodge your question or block you. I mean, if you read the description on his debate, he childishly brags about how he muted you and Berry.

    Image result for evidence youre right

    JustIgnoreMePogue
  • Pogue said:
    @SilverishGoldNova
    Can you please reply to the arguments made by @Gooberry, @Ampersand, and I (first one). You ignore those while you pick on the weak ones (no offense). 
    I've noticed with him he always goes after the weaker ones, but then, when presented with strong evidence against his beliefs, he'll usually just dodge your question or block you. I mean, if you read the description on his debate, he childishly brags about how he muted you and Berry.

    Image result for evidence youre right

    He seems to mute everyone that is willing to go into detail to refute them because “we want to be in an echo chamber”. 
    namemcname
  • So let’s be skeptics here for a minute:

    SGN has twice posted pictures of images that show curvature, and claimed they were evidence of no curvature.

    In one example, he admitted it was curved (but was fake and he didn’t realize), in the other, he claimed a picture from a weather balloon was from “122 miles”, which is 90 miles higher than the record height of any weather balloon.

    He has argued that an image of a very slightly concave horizon (still not flat) produced by a significantly wide angled lens, is evidence of a flat earth, yet rejects out of hand any other images presented of space.

    In making arguments about a flat earth he’s asserted several times that an image was taken at 70ft above sea level only for it to be proven it was much higher.

    Given the growing quantity of examples where he has gotten basic information wrong, it gives the impression of someone unable or unwilling to be scientific about a proposition, and feels like an individual wanting to grab onto ANY reason to keep believing as they do.


    namemcname
  • namemcnamenamemcname 88 Pts
    edited February 27
    @Gooberry Just as you said, he has given up arguing with actual evidence and is now desperately clinging at reasons to keep believing in the FE. Then again they never really had much evidence, most of their claims are based on easily proveable lies, and they don't really care about the validity of the evidence, as long as it agrees with them it works. I bet if Eric Dubay took a picture of grass which was flat, and said it was from 1000 miles, I bet Silver would believe that. It's easy to debate those who aren't that knowledgeable about a subject, and say "They can't refute this!", but when someone is willing to go in detail you have to be willing to refute it instead of blocking them. Pretty shameful behavior if you ask me. Maybe he's eventually gonna give up and go back to scientific model, you know what I'm talking about.
  • @namemcname

    If it wasn’t so sad, it would be funny.


    Every single photo from space shows a flat surface: except for the ones that don’t, which is fake.


    Every single photo of the ocean shows its flat, except for all the many examples that don’t which are asserted to be caused by some weird issue of perspective, except where they are asserted to be caused by refraction.


    Common sense observations tells us the earth is flat, except for sunsets, which are asserted to be due to refraction, flights between impossible locations on a flat earth, which are replied by a shrug; and objects seeming to be behind the horizon,


    It’s pseudoscience to rely on anecdotal evidence: such as snells law of refraction, except when you see the word FEY in clouds when you flip an image of the earth, and squint hard enough to think it could spell “sex”, in which case this is sufficient evidence to prove that NASA lies about everything.


    Objects always appear lower due to refraction, except when they don’t, in which case it doesn’t count. 


    A botched experiment of an object behind a glass of water somehow proves without doubt that the atmosphere (which is air), behaves in specific way all the time for all locations: yet applying the known laws of physics to show this is impossible based on on known properties of air is “pseudoscience”.


    The flat earth explains observation so much better than a spherical earth, except for navigation, sundials, the position of the sun, the moon, the stars, the apparent motion of all objects, the observable existence of satellites, GPS, line of sight, the horizon and about a gajillion other points that are simply unexplainable by flat earth.


    Finally, spherical earthers provide no proof: except proof by celestial observation, images from the ground, geometry, images from space and detailed explanations of every single observation thus far put forward as evidence; flat earthers on the other hand frequently prove the earth is flat, with statements such as “you haven’t accounted for refraction”, “selenehelions prove flat earth”, “it’s not a mirage”, “NASA fake their images”.


    Like I said, if it weren’t so sad, it would be funny.










  • namemcnamenamemcname 88 Pts
    edited February 27
    @Gooberry
    "The Chicago Skyline proves the Earth is flat, and anyone who has seen a mirage can verify it is not one".
    "The reason it appears refracted is because of the heat from the water may cause a mirage effect"

    SGN on another website in the same debate. We've seen like 4 debates closed by them because they couldn't address points, and went as far as to delete 2 entire threads.
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @namemcname
    They even deleted @Gooberry's comments four times before deleting the debate. SGN got so mad that he told me us to kill ourselves. He has me on mute so I can just comment. Like Goober said, it could be like commentary. I wonder where Erf is. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    As @qipwbdeo said, on the flat Earth map, the Antarctic would be the longest distance possible to travel. However, the equator is. Erf would say that they do not have a complete map, then how do you know it, a flat Earth, describes everything needed
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • namemcnamenamemcname 88 Pts
    edited February 27
    Pogue said:
    @namemcname
    They even deleted @Gooberry's comments four times before deleting the debate. SGN got so mad that he told me us to kill ourselves. He has me on mute so I can just comment. Like Goober said, it could be like commentary. I wonder where Erf is. 
    How sad.

    Well, I didn't see him tell you to kill yourself in the debate. Was it deleted... before the whole debate of course?
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @namemcname
    Yeah, I told aaron
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Pogue said:
    @namemcname
    Yeah, I told aaron
    That's a pretty unnecessary and terrible statement to make, what exactly did he say? Perhaps you have a snapshot?
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @namemcname
    I do, but not on my school computer (doing this on my school computer). When I get home, I guess I will post it. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • @Gooberry
    "The Chicago Skyline proves the Earth is flat, and anyone who has seen a mirage can verify it is not one".
    "The reason it appears refracted is because of the heat from the water may cause a mirage effect"

    SGN on another website in the same debate. We've seen like 4 debates closed by them because they couldn't address points, and went as far as to delete 2 entire threads.

    Lol, he did that for me too here! neither of them ever actually address points raised. It’s part of the reason I started listing the untruths, and logical fallacies that Erf specifically uses.

    Its pretty atrocious the level of dishonesty he uses to defend his position. 

    The worst part is the objective denial. 

    For example, he misrepresented my, and others position was multiple times. I explained what the position was, how he was misrepresenting it, and explained how it was a straw man.

    I pointed out innumerable scenarios where someone provided an argument, he simply made an assertion to dismiss it, and explained why it can be considered an assertion.

    I pointed out where he answered a different question, changed the subject, attempted a dodge and explained why.

    his response is to label these detailed explanations “assertions”, and “trolling”, with no attempt to justify his position.

    its not possible to argue with that level of denial of reality, or with someone this willing to claim black is white.

    I suspect posts get deleted, threads disappear and locked in scenarios where even they can tell the level of denial is obvious and makes them look bad.




    Evidence
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    Gooberry said:
    @Gooberry
    "The Chicago Skyline proves the Earth is flat, and anyone who has seen a mirage can verify it is not one".
    "The reason it appears refracted is because of the heat from the water may cause a mirage effect"

    SGN on another website in the same debate. We've seen like 4 debates closed by them because they couldn't address points, and went as far as to delete 2 entire threads.

    Lol, he did that for me too here! neither of them ever actually address points raised. It’s part of the reason I started listing the untruths, and logical fallacies that Erf specifically uses.

    Its pretty atrocious the level of dishonesty he uses to defend his position. 

    The worst part is the objective denial. 

    For example, he misrepresented my, and others position was multiple times. I explained what the position was, how he was misrepresenting it, and explained how it was a straw man.

    I pointed out innumerable scenarios where someone provided an argument, he simply made an assertion to dismiss it, and explained why it can be considered an assertion.

    I pointed out where he answered a different question, changed the subject, attempted a dodge and explained why.

    his response is to label these detailed explanations “assertions”, and “trolling”, with no attempt to justify his position.

    its not possible to argue with that level of denial of reality, or with someone this willing to claim black is white.

    I suspect posts get deleted, threads disappear and locked in scenarios where even they can tell the level of denial is obvious and makes them look bad.




    Didn't he call your final posts, that he deleted, from the last debate, that he deleted, harassment?
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • @Pogue


    Because apparently having someone explain in detail why you are wrong on a debate website is “Harrassment”.



    This one time, Erf said I had made a straw man. #MeToo.
    Pogue
  • namemcnamenamemcname 88 Pts
    edited February 27
    @Pouge @Gooberry Well, let's be honest, everyone who looks closely can tell that they want an echo chamber, and not debate. If I am correct, I would recommend to him one of the groups I got blocked from on Facebook.
  • edited February 27

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing. Also @Pouge it seems that Erf is back on DDO doing meme battles.



    NopeBaconToes
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @namemcname Ok, I found the picture.

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing. Also @Pouge it seems that Erf is back on DDO doing meme battles.



    Wait! Are you serious?  
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • NopeNope 342 Pts
    What does the pull have to do with the debate?
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    Nope said:
    What does the pull have to do with the debate?
    I do not understand 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Da erf is flat bro and da munkees never evolved
    Pogue
  • NopeNope 342 Pts
    Pogue
    If you do not understand my question it is asking how does us being or not being monkeys and are value have anything to do with the topic?
    If you don't understand the pull ether than so am I!
    If that was the answer to my question then I don't understand.
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @Nope
    Oh, ok. Do not have to be so rude. It has nothing to do with the topic, yes. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • NopeNope 342 Pts
    Pogue said:
    @Nope
    Oh, ok. Do not have to be so rude. It has nothing to do with the topic, yes. 
    I did not mean to be rude. Sorry.
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    edited February 27
    @Nope
    It is ok.
    Nope
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • edited February 27
    Pogue said:
    @namemcname Ok, I found the picture.

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing. Also @Pouge it seems that Erf is back on DDO doing meme battles.



    Wait! Are you serious?  
    Pogue said:
    @namemcname Ok, I found the picture.

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing. Also @Pouge it seems that Erf is back on DDO doing meme battles.



    Wait! Are you serious?  
    Once again I accidentally sleep in until 4.... 

    And yes, I am serious. About all three.  Sleeping in until 4, Erf is doing meme battles, and I'm not an FE'er anymore.


  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    Pogue said:
    @namemcname Ok, I found the picture.

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing. Also @Pouge it seems that Erf is back on DDO doing meme battles.



    Wait! Are you serious?  
    Pogue said:
    @namemcname Ok, I found the picture.

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing. Also @Pouge it seems that Erf is back on DDO doing meme battles.



    Wait! Are you serious?  
    Once again I accidentally sleep in until 4.... 

    And yes, I am serious. About all three.  Sleeping in until 4, Erf is doing meme battles, and I'm not an FE'er anymore.


    What convinced you? 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • edited February 27
    @Pouge Well, let's be honest, Whenever you get to a point where you are desperately clinging to reasons to continue believing something, maybe it's time you reconsider. Plus, I don't really enjoy debating the FE anymore.
  • edited February 27

    Well, I can't fight it anymore. I officially announce that I no longer believe the Earth is flat. I don't have plans to leave this website but I will be focusing on other topics, especially ones that I personally enjoy discussing.

    @Erfisflat @Evidence I think you will find this post interesting.
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    @SilverishGoldNova
    So, it seemed you lied about being convinced. I got this from your last two posts. If you are lying, please debunk my points
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Pogue said:
    @SilverishGoldNova
    So, it seemed you lied about being convinced.
    And what makes you say that?


    Nope
  • Pogue said:
    @SilverishGoldNova
    If you are lying, please debunk my points
    I'll give your and Goobs post credit for convincing me, actually. Unless this website is about Devil's advocate, then no.
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    Pogue said:
    @SilverishGoldNova
    So, it seemed you lied about being convinced.
    And what makes you say that?


    I posted why and you ignored it. When you said, "@Erfisflat @Evidence I think you will find this post interesting." and "Well, let's be honest, Whenever you get to a point where you are desperately clinging to reasons to continue believing something, maybe it's time you reconsider." It seems you edited that post. I am not certain and I feel like you are lying and not lying at the same time. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • PoguePogue 532 Pts
    Pogue said:
    @SilverishGoldNova
    If you are lying, please debunk my points
    I'll give your and Goobs post credit for convincing me, actually. Unless this website is about Devil's advocate, then no.
    Oh ok. Well, you are not lying now. I am certain you are not lying now. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
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